SU-37 video ?

[Adri]

does anyone know where to get video of the SU-37 ?

[Adri]

oh and how many new aircrafts does the russians plan to make?

I know about:
MIG I-2000
SU-35
SU-37
SU-47 (or is this the same as 37?)


and if someone have tec data then please post them up.
(weigth, G limit, max speed at S/L, max speed at high, ect)

[Uncle Sam]

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/su-37.htm

[AFACadet]

oh and how many new aircrafts does the russians plan to make?

I know about:
MIG I-2000
SU-35
SU-37
SU-47 (or is this the same as 37?)


and if someone have tec data then please post them up.
(weigth, G limit, max speed at S/L, max speed at high, ect)

They are not making any of these. Only a couple Su-35s were sent to the Russian Knights, there are no more Su-37s, and the Su-47 is simply a test aircraft like the X-29.

The current Russian projects for actual production are the Pak FA and the LFI (although Russia is getting a few advanced Su-27 versions now).

[flanker7]

http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/default.asp

[Adri]

They are not making any of these. Only a couple Su-35s were sent to the Russian Knights, there are no more Su-37s, and the Su-47 is simply a test aircraft like the X-29.

The current Russian projects for actual production are the Pak FA and the LFI (although Russia is getting a few advanced Su-27 versions now).

no, it was the SU-37 that the RK got, have seen a video of the plane but can't find it again that is why I ask.

found it thanks to flanker7
http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/default.asp?target=seu.htm

[AFACadet]

blah, I went over the topic a few months ago on this very sight.

All Su-37s were coverted back to Su-35s, and those later crashed.

The RKs got straight up Su-35s.

[flanker7]

In my opinion the Su-35 and the Su-37 are basicaly the same. Something like Su-32/Su-34 type of thing. The Su-37 differed from early Su-35s in having Thrust Vectoring and a more advanced cokpit with four MFD instead of three and a sidestick. However this fetures are now found as options on most Flanker models. So you can have an Su-35 or an Su-30 with Thrust Vectoring or without one and so on.
Sorry about the spelling.

[Uninen]

Did you mean S-37?

That is called as SU-47 also?

That Su-37 vids are numerous and you could your self find tens of them if you just tryed a little..

But i do also have a vid of S-37 / Su-47 Berkut..

http://images.janes.com/aerospace/military/gallery/maks/images/su_47.jpg
S-37 / Su-47 Berkut.

;)

[Uninen]

And Su-37 isnt anything special its just a variant of Su-27 Flanker..

;)

But then again..

Even the Su-27 is better than anything that USAF has..

Not to mention the upgraded Su-27SM that is entering service at full speed now..

rofl

[GazB]

"oh and how many new aircrafts does the russians plan to make?

I know about:
MIG I-2000
SU-35
SU-37
SU-47 (or is this the same as 37?)"

The S-37 or Su-47 which is the same aircraft, were prototypes for the MFI project, which has become the PAK-FA project. It will probably enter service with a simpler wing... perhaps like an F-22s wing.

The Mig I-2000 was a design for the LFI that later became the LFS and now is the PAK-FA too... it lost.

The Su-35 will probably trickle into service slowly, only one unit has it at the moment and this unit is largely used for airshows (ie advertising). It is also going to a testing unit which will no doubt write the manuals for using it and create procedures and methods and tactics for it to be used by regular RuAF units... then it will be bought in larger numbers. It will not be bought in huge numbers but will suppliment existing Su-27s as most were made in the 80s till the PAK-FA is ready and affordible.

Currently the Su-27SM upgrade is giving existing Su-27s Multirole capability comparable to the Su-30MKI exported aircraft, while the dedicated strike aircraft at the moment is the Su-24M which will get improved systems before the Su-32 enters service... the first production aircraft of the latter are flying now. The upgrade of the Su-24Ms will make them a capable force till the Su-32 is available in numbers to replace them.

The Mig-29s are also being upgraded with various SMT elements, while the Su-25 has had an upgrade too with the Su-25SM upgrade being applied.

[Uninen]

Dont forget MiG-29M2..

Which is more capable than F-16 C/D Block 60 and F-16I..

;)

http://www.migavia.ru/im/photo/53b.jpg
MiG-29M2

MiG-29M/MiG-29M2 Multirole Fighters

The MiG-29M/MiG-29M2 single-seat/two-seat aircraft versions are actually new vehicles exhibiting longer range, state-of-the-art airborne equipment, fourfold redundant, three-channel, fly-by-wire system, higher weapon load and extended range of carried weapons.

The cockpits are equipped with liquid-crystal multifunction displays and their interior realizes the HOTAS concept.

The integrated weapon control system incorporates the radar fire-control system built around the ZHUK-ME airborne radar, IR search and track system and helmet-mounted target designation system.

The aircraft external stores can carry the RVV-AE, R-27ER1, R-27ET1, R-27R1, R-27T1, R-73E air-to-air missiles, the Kh-29T, Kh-29L, Kh-31A, Kh-31P, Kh-35E air-to-surface missiles, the KAB-500KR (OD), KAB-500L guided bombs, as well as rockets and free-fall bombs. Besides, the aircraft have the GSh-301 built-in gun.

The airborne radar provides facilities for detection of air targets at ranges up to 120 km, track-while-scan of ten targets and attack of four targets at a time. In scanning surface targets, the radar detection range of destroyer-type target is 250 km and that of missile launcher-type target is 150 km.

The MiG-29M/MiG-29M2 aircraft boast:
High efficiency under adverse operating conditions;
Superb performance data;
Excellent maintainability, reliability and flight safety characteristics;
Up-to-date logistic support and low direct operating costs;
In-flight refueling system;
Digital three-channel four-fold redundant fly-by-wire system;
Contemporary avionics system, cockpit information-control system, HOTAS concept (commonality with MiG-29K and MiG-29SMT aircraft);
Integrated weapon control system incorporating the upgraded fire control system built around the ZHUK-ME airborne radar featuring longer detection range, multi-channel firing, air-to-surface up-to-date modes, and IR search and track system and the helmet-mounted target designation system;
Contemporary navigation, radio communication, electronic countermeasures, monitoring and recording systems, and optronic and reconnaissance pods;
The weapon system includes the RVV-AE, R-27ER1, R-27ET1, R-27R1, R-27T1, R-73E air-to-air missiles, the Kh-29T(TE), Kh-29L, Kh-31A, Kh-31P, Kh-35 air-to-surface missiles, the KAB-500KR(OD), KAB-500L guided bombs, rockets, free-fall bombs and the GSh-301 built-in gun.
The aircraft can be retrofitted for installation of equipment and weapons of non-Russian origin.

Performance data:
Crew requirements MiG-29M/MiG-29M2 1/2
Takeoff weight MiG-29M/MiG-29M2, kg
- normal 17 500/17 800
- maximum 22 400/22 700
Maximum operational g-load 9
Maximum airspeed MiG-29M/MiG-29M2, km/h
- at altitude 2 400/2 400
- at S/L 1 500/1 400
Service ceiling, m 17 500/17 500
Operational range MiG-29M/MiG-29M2, km
- on internal fuel 2 000/1 800
- with three fuel drop tanks 3 200/3 000
- with three fuel drop tanks and in-flight refueling 6 000
Engine type RD-33 ser.3?
Maximum weapon load MiG-29M/MiG-29M2, kg 4 500/4 500

MiG Homepage! (http://www.migavia.ru/)

;)

[cold0]

Dont forget MiG-29M2..

Which is more capable than F-16 C/D Block 60 and F-16I..




But then again..

Even the Su-27 is better than anything that USAF has..

Not to mention the upgraded Su-27SM that is entering service at full speed now..


If you believe in these craps.... Just some info of real state of Russian aeronautival industry, taken from http://www.strategypage.com/:

January 27, 2004: Russia is in danger of being forced out of the jet fighter business. First, the end of the Cold War crippled Russia's military aviation industry. When the Soviet Union disappeared in 1991, so did orders for new Russian aircraft. Only in the last few years has the Russian air force begun buying aircraft again. The parts of the Soviet Union that split off to form new countries are still not buying or, if they are, they are looking at American aircraft as well. The Soviet Union had allies (called, more accurately, "satellites") in Eastern Europe that bought all of their warplanes from the Soviet Union. Those countries are now buying from American and European manufacturers. The lack of orders didn't stop development of new aircraft, but it slowed it down. Now, with the United States ready to mass produce it's next generation of warplanes (the F-22 and F-35), Russia is still mucking about with prototypes of their "fifth generation" aircraft.

Russia has been keeping it's military aircraft industry alive since 1991 with export sales. Most of the sales have been to India and China. The profits have kept research and development going, but only at a minimal level. The Russians estimate that it will cost $20 billion to complete development of aircraft competitive with the F-22 and F-35. Even at that, the Russians see themselves as 10-15 years behind the United States.

China might be willing to come up with that needed money to develop competition for the F-22 and F-35, but the Chinese are also taking a hard look at air warfare and the role of high performance aircraft. To the Chinese, spending money on better aircraft radars and air-to-air missiles might be a more effective way to deal with the F-22 and F-35. Even if China and Russia spend the money and effort to develop comparable aircraft, this will have to include high performance missiles, radars, other sensors and all manner of electronics. Moreover, the Americans have achieved their domination of the air by developing a new air warfare system, which includes AWACS airborne control aircraft, lots of specialized software and intense (and expensive) training for the aircraft crews. There's more to air superiority than having the most modern aircraft.

Another major threat to Russian aircraft sales are the increasing number of used American warplanes coming on to the market. As the U.S. begins producing F-22s and F-35s in the next few years, more used F-16s, F-15s and F-18s will appear on the market. These aircraft are sold at bargain prices, and with proper maintenance, they have over a decade of service left in them. Moreover, American aircraft have a good reputation for effectiveness in combat, and good technical support from their manufacturers. The Russians don't score nearly as well in these two areas.

So, for the moment, unless the United States is willing to sell you F-22s and F-35s, and you can afford to buy them and keep the crews trained, you are a second or third rate air power. There's no other source of all the components needed to seriously threaten American domination of wartime air space. And it looks like the only other major manufacturer of modern warplanes will slide into oblivion.


Regards,

[Russian Texan]

Very entertaining article that has nothing to do with the reality.
The reality is that F 22 is the most advanced fighter that requires the most advanced support/infrastructure and the most highly trained crews and there is only one country in the world that has/can afford it.

Regarding used F 16, 18, etc coming out on the market.
Like it was mentioned in the article, in the modern day fight for airsupremacy it is so much more than just fighter jets themselves...
Performance of those few soviet jets that flew during GW1 and Kosovo can't be reflective of the aircraft combat qualities because they flew with no support and any kind of strategy, they were "lone wolfs".
What ensures success of all those F 15,16,18 is the organizational structure of the US airforce. And since no other airforce has the same structure/capabilities, it doesn't matter what aircraft they buy.
While the performance of various aircraft can be argued about and discussed forever, one thing is for sure - russian made aircraft are low maintenance and rugged, they are just designed that way, which is the key for many buyers.
Besides even the used US fighter is going to cost more than a comparable brand new Russian.
Another problem with this article is that 2003 was the best year yet, since the break up os the USSR, for the russian aircraft building industry:
foreign sales are strong and finaly some jets are being bought "domestically".
Another "problem" with the article: $200 billion dollars to develop 5th generation airplane in Russia?! Where did that number come from? :lol: The author is "somewhat" out of touch with realities of life in Russia atleast.
$200bill, in US maybe...
I saw numbers in the russian press, given by designers and directors from MAPO Mig and OKB Suhogo in the ball park of $1 - 1.5 bill to make it operational.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Wow, I guess the MiG guys will have to stop boasting about what a mistake FBW was, now that the 29M2 has it.

Interesting aircraft, though if I was a buyer, I would probably have some reservations about it when compared with an F-16. A used 16 would have to be cheaper than a new twin engine 29M2. And a new F-16E/F block 60 is a pretty impressive beast. Homely yes, but very capable.

http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/uae_f16_23_37088b.jpg

http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives/2003/articles/oct_03/uae/images/UAE-B60Ckpt_500.jpg

It's too bad the Russian aeronautics companies are struggling. Hopefully they can continue to come up with more advanced machines. It's only through competition that things will improve, after all... :)

[ExtraT]

http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/uae_f16_23_37088b.jpg


These new CFTs are damn ugly. :(

[GazB]

Hahaha... that article describing the state of the Russian aviation industry not being a viable fighter aircraft manufacturer in the future reminds me of mid 80s statements by the US Army, Navy, and Air Force about how dangerous the Soviet threat was... outnumbered 3 to 1 in tanks in Europe etc etc. the purpose was to get funding. Why do you think "Russian" sources would make such complaints to western reporters and defence experts? Do you think they want more money?

Many programs that were on hold like the Mi-28N project, the Mig-29SMT upgrades, the upgrading of the Su-27, the upgrading of the Mig-31, and Su-25, are all currently going ahead. Production has started on the new Su-32. Night and all weather capable Hinds and Hips are now entering service. Tanks are receiving upgrades on both ammo and electronics.

They are not spending a huge amount on their military like they did in the Soviet days, but the money is being spent now and it is being used rather more efficiently due to the lack of it the last decade. Currently things are finally turning around for them, and if NATO continues to expand East they will probably boost funding even further, though I hope they don't as that will be unhealthy.

You don't become master chess players by not thinking ahead and telegraphing your moves.

"Wow, I guess the MiG guys will have to stop boasting about what a mistake FBW was, now that the 29M2 has it."

They have never said FBW was a mistake... they just recognised the complexity and delayed using it till it was a mature technology for them. Looking at the crashes early on in their programs for the Gripen and the F-22 perhaps others should have thought the same.

Uninen thanks for the link to the Mig website... much of the technology developed for the M2 is going into the Indian Mig-29Ks... that is where it will be applied first I think. Russia might eventually buy a few Mig-29M2s if the PAK-FA falls behind schedule but I think it will mostly go to the export market. Of course the technology used in it will be available for the PAK-FA with Mig as a junior partner in making the new aircraft.

[Russian Texan]

http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives/2003/articles/oct_03/uae/images/UAE-B60Ckpt_500.jpg

Looks like something out of Star Wars :)

Russian aircraft or for the matter of fact any of the Russian equipment will never look that high tech... For some reason even new Russian jets come off the line looking like they have already been used and obused, still fly though.

[AFACadet]

heh,

I personally like the JSF cockpit:

http://www.defence.gov.au/news/raafnews/editions/4503/images/flightline/161-874_09%20JSF%20Simulator.jpg

http://www.airpower.at/news01/1027_jsf/maro_x35cockpit.jpg

http://www.awgnet.com/shownews/02asia1/images/sn68.jpg

[cold0]

I have no doubt of the capacities of Russian industry, Russian Texan, but it’s useless to glorify paper aircrafts (like Mig29M2 that the RuAF will not buy or the Su-35 that is future is uncertain) against aircrafts that were builded in hundreds of copies and that have proved their capacities in combat. :P
The Russian air force will begin receiving new Su-34 fighter-bombers this year, and it is the first all new aircraft that the RuAF receives in the last 10 years. The Su-34 is a 1980s design that first flew in 1990. The collapse of the Soviet Union stalled development, and delayed introduction of the aircraft by at least ten years.
For the rest of Su-27s family, the only ones manufactured since the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991 have been for export (apart various prototypes). Russian pilots complain that India and China get more modern versions of the Su-27, and those countries also spend the money to have their pilots fly these aircraft far more than the twenty hours a year Russian pilots get. Russia has already installed new engines and electronics in five
(Not to mention the upgraded Su-27SM that is entering service at full speed now.. ...) Su-27s and has the refurbished aircraft being tested by pilots. Increasing flying hours is expensive, as it costs several thousand dollars an hour to fly a high performance aircraft like the Su-27. Moreover, Russian engines wear out more quickly than their Western counterparts, further increasing the cost. It would cost at least half a million dollars per year per pilot to increase flying hours to 200.

Cleary the quality pilots are worth the cost and the general state of RuAF is cleary improving, but, undoubtedly, the Russian aeronautical industry has loosed gound for 10 years against the US.

Regards,

[Adri]

Holy ! that was not to much buttons :lol:
must be a hell effective plane, hope Norway buy them p-)

[Uninen]

GazB,

np..

Glad that you liked the MiGs website..

;)

[Russian Texan]

Cold0
Some points are true(especially about India and China getting more modern aircraft) and some are not.
Su 34 is not the first new airplane to be recieved in 10 years. Last year Russia deployed several upgraded MIg 29SMTs

http://arms.ashst.com/aircraft/mig29n.jpg

http://www.alasrojas.com/Articulos/cabina/cabina_MIG29_4.jpg


Here is some pics/info about Mig 29M2
http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/mig-29m2_rear_cockpit.jpg

http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/mig-29m2_main_display.jpg

http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/mig-29m2_in_flight_01.jpg

http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/mig-29m2_in_flight_02.jpg

http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/zhuk-m_m-2.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/Airliners_net_image.file?filename=6/7/1/330176.jpg&ZyXtCe=MTYxMjIy&id=330176

In any case, my point is that while MAPO Mig is obviously not doing as good as OKB Suhogo, LM or Boeing, things are looking much brighter than they did in the '90s.
And upgraded Su 27 are being also deployed, slowly but surely :)

[cold0]

Russian Texan, when I said the Su34 are the first new aircraft that the RuAF in the last 10 years, I refer to the first new model, no aircaft! :P

Anyway, do you have some info about the new MIG29SMT that the RuAF received the last year? I know the aircraft but I don't know anything about the new MIG29SMT in service in the RuAF.

Regards,

[Russian Texan]

Last year I have read an article about a "wing" of Mig 29smt being deployed in Tadjikistan (Kant airbase). Once I find the link I'll post it.