Law and Justice wins Polish parlament elections

[tony6]

Someone has to start that topic:)
What do you think guys?
And please - keep it civilised.

[Lokos]

What is Law and Justice?

Lokos

[tony6]

It is now major party in our parlament (right-winged).
They have to form coalition with liberal Civic Platform to have majority in the palrament but they will be no.1 in this marriage.

The way I see it it means:
-we stay in Iraq for sure,
-cooperation with France and Germany inside EU will be even harder than today:)
-relationship with Russia will get even worse.

[Musashi]

I hate them. Besides Kaczyńscy brothers need a good plastic surgeon not to scary little children, who watch television.

It is now major party in our parlament (right-winged).
That is a real curiosity. A right wing party with a socialist program :cantbeli: :lol:


The way I see it it means:
-we stay in Iraq for sure,
-cooperation with France and Germany inside EU will be even harder than today:)
-relationship with Russia will get even worse.
Affirmative. All is true. I can describe them as moderate al-Jihad organisation :roll:

[Herrmannek]

Musashi you read to much Gazeta Wyborcza(election newspaper). Kaczynscy have nothing common with jihad or any extremities... Esspecialy comparing to Shreder or French Worm. And like those mentioned Kaczynski bros correctly understand that common europe interest must be subordinate of the country interests. Some stupid punks that can't differentiate cow from milk call them extreme right wingers and etc, but its normal for their corrupted state of mind, but you musahi buing that is shame :)

[Musashi]

We'll se after a few years who was right.
As Tony6 said the relations with Germany and Russia will detoriate.

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

I'll just start digging my little personal foxhole in case of war with Russia :lol:

[Herrmannek]

We'll se after a few years who was right.
As Tony6 said the relations with Germany and Russia will detoriate.
Right in what way? if reforms will fail it will not mean you were right. It seems popis haven't got enough votes so, they will be probably paralised by oposition. I don't even know what SLD is doing in sejm, they should be delegalised anyway...

[Musashi]

Poland veers to right at election

Conservative and liberal parties in Poland have ousted the left in the general election, exit polls indicate.
The polls put the Law and Justice Party (PiS) in the lead at about 28% of the vote, followed by its liberal ally Civic Platform (PO) on about 24%.

Correspondents say voters were angry with the ruling left over a series of corruption scandals and their failure to bring down unemployment.

The polls are Poland's first since joining the European Union in May 2004.

The elections chose the 460-member lower house of parliament while the country will go back to the polls in two weeks to elect a new president.

Turnout among the 30 million Poles eligible to vote appeared to be less than 40%, compared to 46% at the last election in 2001.

The new government, the BBC's Adam Easton reports, will have its work cut out winning broad support as many Poles simply do not trust their politicians.

Economic reform

"Everything points to us having won this election," PiS leader Jaroslaw Kaczynski told party supporters in Warsaw.

The two centre-right parties are both rooted in the anti-communist Solidarity movement but differ on issues such as the budget and taxation.

PiS, whose agenda includes tax breaks and state aid for the poor, has pledged to uphold traditional family and Christian values. It is suspicious of economic liberalism.

PO strongly promotes free market forces and wanted to introduce a flat 15% rate for income tax, corporation tax and VAT.

It also promised to move faster on deregulation and privatisation, in order to adopt the euro as soon as possible.

It had been in the lead for much of the campaign but conceded that their plans for the flat tax plan may have been a mistake, said the BBC's Mike Sanders in Warsaw.

"I was hesitating," jobless voter Andrzej Sulkowski told the Associated Press news agency.

"PiS would have been better on economic issues but maybe it would have offered less equality."

Twin arrangement

Since the fall of communism in 1989, no Polish government has been re-elected.

Exit polls suggest the ruling Democratic Left Alliance (SLD), finished third at a little over 11% - a better score than predicted but disastrous compared to 41% in 2001.

The party led Poland into the European Union last year but was hit by scandals and by a jobless figure of nearly 20%.

Coming just behind it on Sunday, exit polls suggest, was the radical Self-Defence party on 10% while two others also won seats: the League of Polish Families on 9% and the Peasants' Party on 6%.

SLD has also suffered a blow in its bid at the presidential election in October since former foreign minister Wlodzimierz Cimoszewicz pulled out of the race amidst concerns over his share dealings.

Analysts say the field is now open to PO's Donald Tusk and PiS' Lech Kaczynski.

Lech's twin brother, Jaroslaw Kaczynski, pledged again on Sunday not to accept the prime minister's job in the new government if his sibling wins.

Consequently Poland will not know the name of its new prime minister until next month.
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A new record has been beaten. Just 38% of Poles decided to vote.

[mack pl]

SLD , they should be delegalised anyway...

awww no :|


PS
Ive voted PO ;)

[Asheren]

Nah it looks like French are trying to improve our political relationship. We more offen hear from them we want... but the Germans...

[Marmot1]

http://www.komott.net/images/kaczynski_jaroslaw_2.jpg

http://www.trybuna.com.pl/fotos/kaczynski.lech.jpg

OK guyz quick quiz... which one is our future Prime Minister and which one future President?


(No it is not the same person on two photos :-D)

[Musashi]

http://www.komott.net/images/kaczynski_jaroslaw_2.jpg

http://www.trybuna.com.pl/fotos/kaczynski.lech.jpg

OK guyz quick quiz... which one is our future Prime Minister and which one future President?


(No it is not the same person on two photos :-D)
The one above will be a Prime Minister.
The one below is a candidate for a Persident. I hope he will not be it.

[Olybrius]

A new record has been beaten. Just 38% of Poles decided to vote

Amazing :roll:, any reasons ?

[Musashi]

A new record has been beaten. Just 38% of Poles decided to vote

Amazing :roll:, any reasons ?
The people in Poland are tired by scandals in politics and don't trust politicians.
The most frequent answers for a question "why did not you vote?":
- I don't trust politicians
- voting don't improve my situation
- I don't have own candidate and don't want to choose "less evil" politicians.

Extremely low percentage of people answered:
- I did not have a time to go voting.
- I was not at my home.



I did not vote in this election.

[b.scheller]

Hahaha...Jacek i Placek wygrali wybrowy...Piekne...kocham jak, Polacy krzycza, marudza i sa zdenerwowani ze SLD zabralo Wojsko Polskie do Iraku. A teraz ci sami, wyglosowali na partie ktora chce zostac w Iraku...cholera jasna, jak nie rozumiem Polakow...

Wogole, czy ktos mnie przy edukowac o tych partiach i kandytatach co istneja w Polsce. Bo w prawdzie, zabardzo nie znam sie na nich.

[Musashi]

Official results:
http://wybory2005.pkw.gov.pl/

[wholagun]

My folks voted for PO, and I prefered PO myself.

The POPis (showoff) coalition will be interesting. You have PiS which is hard on corruption and is nationalistic, combined with PO which is more free market oriented and wnats to rid Poland of red tape.

Either way they can't be worse then SLD. Another positive outcome is that they have majority and the difference between them is 3% of the votes, so they will have to compromise on everything. PiS will not get everything their way for fear of the government falling by way of vote of non confidence.

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

Btw, the twins will not rule Poland. The Jaroslaw said that if his brother wins the presidential race that he'll resign to save Poland and others the confusion. It's unlikely that Lech will win the elections and the presidential seat will most likely go to Tusk, but anything can happen between now an then.

[Herrmannek]

I'll vote Kaczynskis Bros again.. Tusk is big question mark for me. He said some doubtfull stuff before, played role in other doubtfull stuff and left few question unanswered. on other hand Kaczynski is straight like a bulb blueprint running through nail plantation, I know his answers before I hear question... And thats good.

[perdurabo]

who calls PiS rightwingers? they meybe have som moral walues of conservatives but their program is full of social crap, while PO has moral walues of lefties and economic program of right :roll:
So future lower chamber of Polish parliment will look like this:
http://wybory2005.interia.pl/i/tort_002_sejm.gif
PiS -Law and Justice -with twin brothers Lech and Jarosław Kaczyński on leadership, morality of conservatives with economic program of socialists
PO -Citizens Platform - with Donald Tusk and Jan Maria Rokita as leaders, liberal morality and liberal in economics
Samoobrona -Selfdefence populist party of Andrzej Lepper moustly consisded out of peasants that wear funny ties and scream loud
SLD - Democratic Left Alliance -this guys where in goverment until yesterday also our still president (elections in few weeks) Aleksander Kwaśniewski comest from this option -typical commies almoust all of them where in charge when Poland was comunist country
LPR -PolishFamiliesLeague -another populist party its leader Roman Giertyh prabably won't get to parliment rofl they are nazi wanabies
PSL -PolishPeaplesParty (-?niewiem jak przetłumaczyć Stronnictwo) moustly farmers, bitch that is in every single goverment and sells its votes to everyone that pays their leadership with privilidges
MN -German Minority they have constitutional right to have 2 guys in sejm (lower chamber of parlimetn) :roll:
Senat -upper chamber of praliment- will look like this:
http://wybory2005.interia.pl/i/tort_002_senat.gif
Inne = Others

btw: my praty (PJKM/UPR -hardcore rightwing conservatives) had not enough votes :(
btw II: Kaczyński means something like mr.Duck so we will have 3 ducks in goverment (2x Kaczyński and 1 Donald)
btw III: Jan Maria Rokita =1/3rd men 1/3rd woman (Maria is usually woman name) and 1/3rd devil (Rokita is one of devils in old Polish myths) and his wife is german that was born in kazakhstan
:roll:

[Asheren]

Yea all this terrified commies crying in media about incoming Kaczyzm(Duckism) No governemnt offices, no place in state enterprises, no place in medias for high ranked ex-commies in next ten years if Kaczynski brothers make new law they want. Someone will sweep the bastards at last.

[Sopot]

Kaczyńscy nic dobrego nie zrobią,więc za cztery lata ludzie wybiorą SLD,bo się "oczyścili". :(

[Herrmannek]

only in polish:
http://wprost.pl/ar/?O=81343

[Asheren]

Yes if they pass new law its possible. SLD with no old hardhead commies in public offices its almost like a gift from haven only good thing SLD had was Mr. Belka. They will propably change self-defense law at last because duckist and platformers want same thing, no more law protecting criminals.

Perdurabo some jurnal in italy used term Peasants Party when they talk about PSL.

[Sopot]

Look at his face,terrible !


http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/2486/11276147428394re.jpg

[Asheren]

For me he can even look like dolphin.

[Conga]

looks like it's time for some invading :bash:


just kidding :lol:

[Dexx]

I am a bit curious. The League of Polish Families got 36 seats in the Parliament. This party is chauvinistic, nationalistic, ultra-catholic, anti-homo******, anti-European, anti-German and still got so many votes. You don't hear anything from Germany in the news that it is a big deal. If such a party was voted into the German Parliament with so many seats, the Poles would go crazy: "Ah, you see, Nazi Germany is on the eve of invading Poland again". You Poles apply double standards when Germany is concerned.

[Herrmannek]

I am a bit curious. The League of Polish Families got 36 seats in the Parliament. This party is chauvinistic, nationalistic, ultra-catholic, anti-homo******, anti-European, anti-German and still got so many votes. You don't hear anything from Germany in the news that it is a big deal. If such a party was voted into the German Parliament with so many seats, the Poles would go crazy: "Ah, you see, Nazi Germany is on the eve of invading Poland again". You Poles apply double standards when Germany is concerned.
anti-european, anti-German? I'm not LPR supporter, but not wanting to be part of ue doesn't make you anti-euroean and anti-german. They just want total indpendence of Poland... And i don't know why you make accuse from being catholic anti ghey or nationalistic(our nationalists are faaaaaar from beng german ones, LPR don't wave svasticas and don't scream hi hitla in the private)...ANd under the cover they are rather russofiles so I don't understand your whining :)

[Stormz_STA]

I am a bit curious. The League of Polish Families got 36 seats in the Parliament. This party is chauvinistic, nationalistic, ultra-catholic, anti-homo******, anti-European, anti-German and still got so many votes. You don't hear anything from Germany in the news that it is a big deal. If such a party was voted into the German Parliament with so many seats, the Poles would go crazy: "Ah, you see, Nazi Germany is on the eve of invading Poland again". You Poles apply double standards when Germany is concerned.


It's because LPR is really not a big deal. They'll never gain any power in Poland, 36 seats is a major defeat for them. However, if such a party were present on a german political scene, on a federal level, people would say that history repeats itself.
After all NSDAP gained power through democratic elections and not coupe d'etat

[Asheren]

And they have basicaly no solid electorate. Their voters are mostly poor peoples who have too low qualifications to find job. Ex-minners, pesants. They think that LPR will rob rich and give money to them for free. Nationalists and Skinheads support them mostly because they can beat peoples under party protection. They are just populist who try to fool all unhappy peoples to vote for them.

Actualy amount of votes they had is close to suspected real unemployment rate in poland.

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/7914/moheroweberety7723yg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
The Polish Families' League elite militia unit, known as the Mohair Berets :lol:

[Icar]

I am a bit curious. The League of Polish Families got 36 seats in the Parliament. This party is chauvinistic, nationalistic, ultra-catholic, anti-homo******, anti-European, anti-German and still got so many votes. You don't hear anything from Germany in the news that it is a big deal. If such a party was voted into the German Parliament with so many seats, the Poles would go crazy: "Ah, you see, Nazi Germany is on the eve of invading Poland again". You Poles apply double standards when Germany is concerned.
anti-european, anti-German? I'm not LPR supporter, but not wanting to be part of ue doesn't make you anti-euroean and anti-german. They just want total indpendence of Poland... And i don't know why you make accuse from being catholic anti ghey or nationalistic(our nationalists are faaaaaar from beng german ones, LPR don't wave svasticas and don't scream hi hitla in the private)...ANd under the cover they are rather russofiles so I don't understand your whining :)

Well in fact they scream hi hitla in private. My buddy was in Hitlerjugend (Młodzież Wszechpolska) and told me that all those young activist fear that someone will publish photos in which they do nazi salute. But it`s true that they are more pro catholic than anti german. They just can`t be treated serious. Their electorate is well over 60. They will just die and there be no one to support them:)

[Musashi]

I am a bit curious. The League of Polish Families got 36 seats in the Parliament. This party is chauvinistic, nationalistic, ultra-catholic, anti-homo******, anti-European, anti-German and still got so many votes. You don't hear anything from Germany in the news that it is a big deal. If such a party was voted into the German Parliament with so many seats, the Poles would go crazy: "Ah, you see, Nazi Germany is on the eve of invading Poland again". You Poles apply double standards when Germany is concerned.
anti-european, anti-German? I'm not LPR supporter, but not wanting to be part of ue doesn't make you anti-euroean and anti-german. They just want total indpendence of Poland... And i don't know why you make accuse from being catholic anti ghey or nationalistic(our nationalists are faaaaaar from beng german ones, LPR don't wave svasticas and don't scream hi hitla in the private)...ANd under the cover they are rather russofiles so I don't understand your whining :)

Well in fact they scream hi hitla in private. My buddy was in Hitlerjugend (Młodzież Wszechpolska) and told me that all those young activist fear that someone will publish photos in which they do nazi salute. But it`s true that they are more pro catholic than anti german. They just can`t be treated serious. Their electorate is well over 60. They will just die and there be no one to support them:)
Dexxie,
this time I don't have much against your information, however:
- The League of Polish Families had expected to be the third power in the Polish Parliament. They lose the game and are the fifth in fact.
- just the Peasants' Party will have less members, than LPR, not counting German minority, which has 2 constitution-guraranteed members.
- LPR gathered far less votes than in the previous election
- its leader, Roman Giertych was endangered not to get into the Parliament. Finally he gathered only a bit over 5,0% of votes in his home district of Warsaw, what is a minimum.
- LPR can consider the last election a big failure.
Verstanden? :)

[Herrmannek]

I am a bit curious. The League of Polish Families got 36 seats in the Parliament. This party is chauvinistic, nationalistic, ultra-catholic, anti-homo******, anti-European, anti-German and still got so many votes. You don't hear anything from Germany in the news that it is a big deal. If such a party was voted into the German Parliament with so many seats, the Poles would go crazy: "Ah, you see, Nazi Germany is on the eve of invading Poland again". You Poles apply double standards when Germany is concerned.
anti-european, anti-German? I'm not LPR supporter, but not wanting to be part of ue doesn't make you anti-euroean and anti-german. They just want total indpendence of Poland... And i don't know why you make accuse from being catholic anti ghey or nationalistic(our nationalists are faaaaaar from beng german ones, LPR don't wave svasticas and don't scream hi hitla in the private)...ANd under the cover they are rather russofiles so I don't understand your whining :)

Well in fact they scream hi hitla in private. My buddy was in Hitlerjugend (Młodzież Wszechpolska) and told me that all those young activist fear that someone will publish photos in which they do nazi salute. But it`s true that they are more pro catholic than anti german. They just can`t be treated serious. Their electorate is well over 60. They will just die and there be no one to support them:)
Its pure BS at least if considering party line and its history, polish nationalists were always ultimately anti-germanazi( polish nationalists intercepted v2 rocket, and they were most active fraction of polish home army in wwII) and nooone who isn't a died fox or other mubo-jumbo would scream hi-hitla there... I bet your friend was confabulating or he and his friends choosed wrong party to support.

[b.scheller]

The church, has way too much power in Poland. Although, my father exagerates, like most Poles, when he says that Poland is the Iran of Roman Catholic Republics, perhaps he is somewhat right.

I've always, have had a quite an objective viewpoint of church rule and state rule. My parents, although, believe that the church has way too much power in the modern state (in Poland), share ideals about certain topics, such as abortion or same *** marriage, along with the ultra-right church parties. I myself, don't believe that a religious state, contributes in the end to the prosperity and freedom of the people.

Although, Socrates stated that a society must be moderated, or else if allowed to excess, democracy and society will crumble. I truely believe, that restriction, such as the ones that a church could place on a state, would be disastrous to the progress that has been made since the fall of communism.

In the end, is the whole aspect of the church leading the state and having so much sway, just the overall aspect of Poles, just doing everything opposite of the long control and occupation by the Soviets?

That's what I get, when I see the closeness of Poles to the Americans. They, are moving as far away as possible from the long control by Moscow. They're attempting to find an identity, but at the same time, an identity that's completely opposite of the Russian one. That, and the fact that they live so far away. They want to be like Americans, prosperous, having a house and two cars, because of all the media. Poles dreamt of living the good standards like their western counterparts. Thus now, with the freedom to do so, they just want to get away from the restrictions and occupation that the Soviets did. In the end, they chose parties that swing far to the right, and are close to creating a Roman Catholic Republic of Poland, the opposite counterpart of Iran.

At the same time, I think, more or less, as it has been stated, that older people, mainly women, vote for the ultra-right wing church parties, because radio maryja tells them to... rofl

Nawet tutaj, mozna sluchac do tego glowna na radiu. I wiem, ze wiekszosc starszych ludzi, slucha do Radia Maryjii. Nawet tutaj, w Kanadzie, kosciol ma bardzo dluza sile nad Polonia. Telewizja i radio, sa wiekszosci sponsorowane. A Polacy ktorzy mieszkaja tutaj, w wiekszosci sa wsii, gdzie religia jest najbardziej wazna dla nich. Dla niektorych, ksieza sa bogami. Widze, ze w Polsce, niestety tez jest tak.

Nie wiem, mysle ze odejscie jak dalej od Rosji, moze byc jednym z potencjalnych odpowiedzi na problemem kosciola i rzadu, ale czy moze jest inny? Stan gospodarki?

Nie wiem, dziekuje za edukacje nad partiami... ;)

[Herrmannek]

What do you mean by church having to much power? Church has no way forcing anything on people here. Its the People that follow teachings and willingly aplicate them not the church that enforce them in any exposed or concealed way. And I must say RCC and it followers stance is most moderate and most worth following from options we got... And LPR isn't an party officialy or unofficialy supported by church, they self clamed that, but thats their political right. RCC doesn't support any party here, except it warns that voting for partys that voice abortion, euthanasia and **** may be a sin, thats all. BTW many of Party liders center and right wing wise are catholics, but they don't expose that in the way LPR does...

[Wodan]

poles cry for NPD getting some percent but their nazis being strong in parliament :lol:

[Freibier]

Poles cry about everything, it's their national pasttime :D
Before anyone bashes me, that's what Hermannek says :P

[b.scheller]

Poles cry about everything, it's their national pasttime :D
Before anyone bashes me, that's what Hermannek says :P

rofl
Don't worry, the French were the first to institute crying and bitching. I agree with you, but then someone might point out that since I'm only a 5th generation Pole, I shouldn't speak...

[Marmot1]

Poles cry about everything, it's their national pasttime :D
Before anyone bashes me, that's what Hermannek says :P

rofl
Don't worry, the French were the first to institute crying and bitching. I agree with you, but then someone might point out that since I'm only a 5th generation Pole, I shouldn't speak...

5th? I tough you emigrated form poland not your grand grand grand grandfather...

[Herrmannek]

Poles cry about everything, it's their national pasttime :D
Before anyone bashes me, that's what Hermannek says :P
cry is a bad word, i would propose

mal·con·tent (măl'kən-tĕnt') ****unciation
adj.

Dissatisfied with existing conditions.
n.

1. A chronically dissatisfied person.
2. One who rebels against the established system: “immature malcontents who have long since sold out to conformity” (John M. Wilson).

[b.scheller]

Poles cry about everything, it's their national pasttime :D
Before anyone bashes me, that's what Hermannek says :P

rofl
Don't worry, the French were the first to institute crying and bitching. I agree with you, but then someone might point out that since I'm only a 5th generation Pole, I shouldn't speak...

5th? I tough you emigrated form poland not your grand grand grand grandfather...

Okay, I'll explain it, you misunderstood and I wrote it wrong. I meant, to say the 5th generation as in, my grand grand grand father was an emigre to Poland. During the partition. He was German, and I'm not exactly sure what part of Germany he was from, but in all honesty, I don't feel the need to find out, because I don't feel German. As some Poles do, even though I'm probably more German then they are. I was born in Poland, and I emigrated to Canada. Thus, when I meant I'm a 5th generation Pole, in the sense that five generations of my family have been Polish, but the rest were German.

Unfortunetly, to some Poles living in Canada, the ones who came from little villages. My last name, means that no matter how long my family resided in Poland. I'll never be truely Polish, cause my last name doesn't end in -ski...stupid morons. Yet, these are usually the same people, who claim, that their better than everyone else cause they drive a German car or their uncle lives in Stuttgart... :cantbeli:

[wholagun]

what about France - LePen almost won the presidency!

[b.scheller]

what about France - LePen almost won the presidency!

<stereotypical sarcasm>

How can you compare a state, where kids are forced to dine on cheese and drink wine? rofl

</stereotypical sarcasm>

[Herrmannek]

I'll never be truely Polish, cause my last name doesn't end in -ski...
Non of my friends including me have surname ending on -ski... :)

[Wodan]

I'll never be truely Polish, cause my last name doesn't end in -ski...
Non of my friends including me have surname ending on -ski... :)

if your second name is really Herrmannek, well, that must hurt...

LOL


Scheller, Herrmannek.... ROFL

you poles are poor ^^

[Musashi]

I'll never be truely Polish, cause my last name doesn't end in -ski...
Non of my friends including me have surname ending on -ski... :)
I have. Eh... those noble roots... :P p-)

[Musashi]

I'll never be truely Polish, cause my last name doesn't end in -ski...
Non of my friends including me have surname ending on -ski... :)

if your second name is really Herrmannek, well, that must hurt...

LOL


Scheller, Herrmannek.... ROFL

you poles are poor ^^
We don't know how about you comparing with Germany's conditions.
I am satisfied of my situation comparing to most of Poles' situation.
Can you say the same about yourself and compare it to the rest of your country?

[Herrmannek]

...

if your second name is really Herrmannek, well, that must hurt...
Check my homepage :)

[wholagun]

hahaha suckers : Lukasz Jan RygielSKI

I almost got screwed over though, mom maidon name is Hertman :|

[Marmot1]

I'll never be truely Polish, cause my last name doesn't end in -ski...
Non of my friends including me have surname ending on -ski... :)
I have. Eh... those noble roots... :P p-)

Well mine is neither -ski but from my mother side everyone had -ski and my Granma commes from village with the same name as she had when she was not married. Anyway I have also some german dutch and scottish blood but my family is largelly polish

P.S. My ex girlfriend was half danish.

[b.scheller]

Half danish huh (http://twiggs.org/images/1337-lemon-danish.jpg)? What flavour was she?

Getting back on track, is the percentage of those who participate in the presidential elections, going to be bigger, or do you think, that it will be much smaller. I think, it's a little stupid, that their's two seperate elections. Here in Canada, theirs only one. The party who has the most votes, creates the government and choses the leader, which happens to be the prime minister, unfortunetly the queen is the head of Canada...

[mack pl]

Anyway I have also some german
pffft, Germans sucks..


I have some austrian, ukrainian and czech blood. Today Ive seen my genealogical tree(only from my father side)...hehh, my great, great, great,great grandfather was from Austria. Alexander Piltz(born 1825, Tirol).


;)

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

Getting back on track, is the percentage of those who participate in the presidential elections, going to be bigger, or do you think, that it will be much smaller.

It's going to be bigger because people prefer to vote on one single candidate rather than on whole party. It is visble here that the presidential campaign has a bigger breadth and more public interest than the parliamentary elections

[Dexx]

I only have German and German-Jewish ancestors. :(

But the Jewish impact (family name was "Mandel") vanished around 1890 when many German Jews gave up their religion to become christians to be fully integrated into German society. After 1900 most of the German jews defined themselves more upon their nationality than upon their religion.

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

Speaking about roots... I'm 87,5% Polish and 12,5% Ukrainian... Is that bad? :lol:

[Freibier]

Speaking about roots... I'm 87,5% Polish and 12,5% Ukrainian... Is that bad? :lol:
Just take a long look at your name and you know the answer ... ;)

[Musashi]

Speaking about roots... I'm 87,5% Polish and 12,5% Ukrainian... Is that bad? :lol:
Me, either. My grandma was Ukrainian in half.

Now look at my neighbour. Her last name (Stadler) is German after her father (he must have had German roots, but was a Pole) and her great- grandfather was a Jew.
Polish-German-Jewish. Whadda mix p-)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/Musashi-san/Sasiadka/AGA.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/Musashi-san/Sasiadka/AGA2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/Musashi-san/Sasiadka/Aga4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/Musashi-san/Sasiadka/Aga5.jpg

Oh, I just forgot... don't molest your neighbours! p-) ;)

[Wodan]

she looks not on ANY way german, she looks jewish-polish, but I dont see anything german in her...

[Musashi]

she looks not on ANY way german, she looks jewish-polish, but I dont see anything german in her...
Me, either, but I don't see a problem in that.
She is one of the most attractive women I know personally, anyway.

[Dexx]

she looks not on ANY way german, she looks jewish-polish, but I dont see anything german in her...

You are a fuc**** supremacist. You can't say by a fuc**** picture whether a person is Jewish, German or Polish. You are a retarded moron and I'd like to see you being banned from this site for your obvious racist comments. It's a shame that you are German. Fu** off!

[Freibier]

x2

[mack pl]

You can't say by a fuc**** picture whether a person is Jewish, German or Polish.

nope, but you can say that he is


a retarded moron

p-)

[b.scheller]

I agree as well, Wodan is, for a lack of a better word a nimrod.