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StarvingStudent47
01-27-2004, 10:08 PM
If only guys like this weren't an insignificant minority of the Palestinian population... :( But better one man than none.

The free world must to everything it can to ensure that this man is not killed as a "collaborator" by either Arafat or Hamas.

BBC article with pictures here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3430077.stm) (that's right--the BBC posted something about the Middle East that isn't just one long anti-Israel rant!!! )


Walid Shoebat vividly remembers the tumultuous days of June, 1967, when Israel and its Arab neighbours were at war.
For six days and six nights, Walid and his family hid in the bathroom of their home in Jericho, as fighting raged outside.

"On the sixth day, everything went quiet," Walid told BBC News Online. "My father was listening to Arab radio and the news said: 'We cleansed Jerusalem of the Jews'. Then we opened the door and there was this Israeli tank with the Star of David flag standing in our street!"

Less than a week after the war began, Jordan had been repelled from the West Bank, Israel had taken over and the map of the modern Middle East had been redrawn.

A humiliating defeat for the Arabs, the Israeli victory spawned a new generation of young nationalists determined to restore lost pride, vanquish the enemy and establish a Palestinian state.

"From kindergarten we were taught that Jews were dogs," said Walid. "We were taught that Jews were the converts of monkeys, that Jews were Sabbath breakers and prophet killers. We even considered Arabs in pre-1967 Israel traitors because we could not understand how they could co-exist with Jews."

'To die as a martyr'

As a teenager in the mid-1970s, Walid joined the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) and became a local activist - printing fliers, organising demonstrations and confronting Israeli troops.

"My whole dream was to die as a shaheed [martyr]. At demonstrations I would open my shirt hoping to be shot - but the Israelis would never shoot at the body, so I never succeeded," he said.

One day, in the middle of a riot, Walid was part of a group which snatched an Israeli soldier who was trying to quell the violence.

They beat him senseless and tried to lynch him, before he was rescued by troops and the group fled.

"We ran to a monastery where the nuns protected us - even they hated the Jews!"

Walid was eventually caught and imprisoned in the Muscovite Prison in Jerusalem, but was released after a few weeks.

He returned to violence straight away, bombing an Israeli bank in Bethlehem.

'How do you explain this?'

The course of Walid's life took a turn when his parents sent him to the United States to get a better education.

Walid says it will take a generation for attitudes to change
Walid enrolled in Loop College in Chicago, where he became president of the Palestinian Students' Association, raising funds for the PLO and recruiting volunteers to fight in Lebanon.

He eventually moved to California, where he met his current wife, a Catholic from Mexico.

"I wanted her to convert to Islam," he said. "I told her Jews had corrupted the Bible and she asked me to show her some examples of this corruption. At this point I had to go and buy a Bible and I started reading it and I saw the word 'Israel' all over it. I had to be brutally honest - the very word I hated the most was throughout this book!

"I thought: 'How do you explain this?' Then I started thinking, really the Jews didn't do us any harm but we hated them and accused them of all this horrible stuff. I began to think more openly."

In the mid-1990s, Walid went to a family reunion in southern California where a row broke out after he defended the biblical matriarch Rachel, whom his uncle had called a "Jewish whore".

" 'You deserve to be spat at'," my uncle said, "and they threw me out the house".

"I realised they knew nothing about history, all they knew was the same propaganda that I had been taught."

Speaking out

Walid's convictions led him to renounce violence and convert to Christianity but it was at a price: his family disowned him and his own brother threatened to kill him for abandoning Islam.

His disappointment with his own family's ideology and remorse at the folly of his youth strengthened Walid's resolve to speak out against militancy as a way of solving the Palestinian problem.

"Yes, there is personal risk to myself. If I went back to my village of Beit Sahour I would live five minutes, I can guarantee it. But I hope that by speaking the truth I will open other people's eyes."

"I chose to speak out because I was a victim, as a child I was a victim of this horror. Now I see other victims, millions of them, kids.

"I was taught songs about killing Jews. You need to get rid of the education system where they are teaching this type of thing and get rid of the terrorist groups. It will take a generation, but until then, there's not going to be peace, it doesn't matter what kind of land settlement you have."

A militant-turned-peacemaker, Walid wants to meet the Israel soldier he tried to kill almost 30 years ago.

His voice cracking with emotion, Walid said he would offer the soldier his hand and say to him: "'Please understand, we were just children, brainwashed to kill you, to hate you.' I would seek his forgiveness."

fred_engles
01-27-2004, 10:41 PM
[this is good]

usa320
01-27-2004, 11:16 PM
good article indeed.

Hopefully people in the middle east will follow in his footsteps.

Nizark
01-27-2004, 11:43 PM
*enter mustamato or one to say how israel sucks*
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One?
01-28-2004, 12:43 AM
*enter mustamato or one to say how israel sucks*
:fork: :fork: :fork: :fork: :fork: :fork: :fork:

israelis are angels, they never had any incidents where israelis entered mosques and murdered muslims. Nope never happened ;)

StarvingStudent47
01-28-2004, 02:59 AM
You know what would be swell? If for once--just once--we could stay on topic for more than two posts!

One, how do you feel about Walid Shoebat? He says that no amount of concessions from Israel will end terrorism, because the root of terrorism is hate taught to little kids in Palestinian schools. He says the hate must be driven out of Palestinian schools, and the terrorists must be driven out of Palestinian populations. He says that the PLO and Hamas are actually the enemy of Palestinians, not their defenders.

How do you respond to a former PLO member saying this? I'd genuinely like to know.

mocking_loudly_died
01-28-2004, 03:06 AM
No more Israel threads....sorry, but they all end the same (after 1000 posts).

Both sides yell and pout, then IDFM203 turns on his PC and lays down loads of facts and mocking dies in an unrelated **** incident.....think of me before going down this path of text based destruction.

AFG
01-28-2004, 03:10 AM
How do you respond to a former PLO member saying this? I'd genuinely like to know.

Well, i bet the Palestinian community wont take his words so kindly, since the hate of Israel has almost been past down like tradition. Anyone see this special about Palestinian teaching videos? It's sorta like America's Sesame Street, except they sing songs of being a suicide bomber and dying. It was really distressing...

IDFM203
01-28-2004, 09:47 AM
No more Israel threads....sorry, but they all end the same (after 1000 posts).

Both sides yell and pout, then IDFM203 turns on his PC and lays down loads of facts and mocking dies in an unrelated **** incident.....think of me before going down this path of text based destruction.hehehe :lol: ….don’t worry I wont "lay down the hammer" just yet ;)


Boy your funny :D ……..I know you say its unrelated but somehow I feel very responsible for your **** death and that makes me a bit uneasy ;) (I don’t want to see any one die such a horrible and painful death ;) )

Here for the sake of your own safety to “unrelated” dying….ill try to take it easy with this post by trying to ignore “ones” ridicules distraction which could have led to another 1000 posts and just focus on this article.



If only guys like this weren't an insignificant minority of the Palestinian population... :( But better one man than none.

The free world must to everything it can to ensure that this man is not killed as a "collaborator" by either Arafat or Hamas. Phenomenal article there starvingstudent47 :D

Its too bad that he is in fact a insignificant minority there that had the guts to speak the truth and for that he would be slaughtered there in less time then he said (he gave himself five minutes)


Besides all that, I liked this part….


"On the sixth day, everything went quiet," Walid told BBC News Online. "My father was listening to Arab radio and the news said: 'We cleansed Jerusalem of the Jews'. Then we opened the door and there was this Israeli tank with the Star of David flag standing in our street!"


Now we know were "Bagdhad Bob" got his first radio gig ;) :D

Shalom :D

oldsoak
01-28-2004, 10:02 AM
Who will protect the likes of Walid Shoebat ? Someone has to. The more there are of him, the more chance of a worthwhile peace.

Javehn
01-28-2004, 10:20 AM
Well , no surprizing article ... I spend fare amount of time arguing with Palestinian boys , when i was in the army - that we don't really want to kill them all , take the lands , and convert them from Islam . They lacked every basic knowlages of world , except the childish bull**** propaganda that they studied , and repeated like a mantra . I also have several pictures of Palestinian school in Rammalah , and they "interesting study" matterial , the posters on the walls of suicide boys in each class .

Unfortunatly there are too many Israelies that without any form writting so much Anti Israeli stuff , some perhaps acurate , but fill with too much self hate , like the Gush Shalom movement writers , Noam Humsky , and the list goes . Palestinian interpretted it they own way , and spoiled the entire point of this Israeli self critisizm .

But no surprize that this guys are there . There are pretty much a lot of guys like there , but you can hardly call they society as democratic one , and those views unfortunatly aren't so welcome . Well on this case you can really say - society blame . One day , one day ...

Fox2
01-28-2004, 05:23 PM
This is a great article, SS47.

I'm glad that there are some who step away from the brainwashing and lies they are fed to them every day by the PLO and seek rational thought.

I mentioned this briefly in another thread, but my father is a Christian Israeli (of Greco-Arabic descent). He also experienced the 1967 war. He was a teenager, but he has told me many times of how scary that time was. His family lived near Tel Aviv/Jaffa, right on the water of the Mediterranean. Their house was just a short walk from the shore, so he saw a lot of Israeli tanks and airplanes patrolling incase of invasion by water. My father saw dead bodies on the street from bombings on his way to school every day. Every night, there was an air raid siren, and the family would rush to a their homemade bunker they had made in the backyard and turn off all the house lights.


I mentioned the reason my father and his family had to leave Israel was sensitive, but I think in light of this article, I'll share.

My grandfather was a sort of representative between the local Israeli government and the Arab people in the community (Muslims included). The arabs (whether Christian, Muslim, Moroccan, anything) in the area would come to my grandfather to represent their needs to the Israeli government. But some Muslims did not like my grandfather. They thought him a traitor for cooperating with the Jews. They also didn't quite like that he represented all arab demographics of the community instead of representing the Muslims exclusively.

My father remembers times when individuals would come to the house to kill my grandfather. Luckily, they didn't succeed. My father and his family were forced to leave for their own safety.


I would like to address you folks that have never been to the region and hold Israel in your mind's eye as an evil, oppressive regime.

What you hear, read, and see in the media is not necessarily the big picture. I have been to Israel and outlying countries several times. I have been to cities with names like Jerusalem, Haifa, and Amman. I have seen with my eyes the mine fields and both West and East banks. I know many Muslims, Jews, and Christians from that part of the world. But I am not, by any means, an expert on the region. The Mid-East is a complex, complex beast, in people, in politics, in mindset.

But, I can honestly say that the single most detrimental factor to peace in the region is Islamic terrorism, not Zionism. That is not a bash on Islam, but a bash on the people who use Islam as a tool to profit for themselves by creating instability.

I hope that this will shed some light on the issue.

Have a good one.