U.S. tells nations hands off Internet

[Bluezoo]

U.S. tells nations hands off Internet
By John Zarocostas
SPECIAL TO THE WASHINGTON TIMES
September 27, 2005


GENEVA -- The United States said at the outset of global talks on information technology yesterday that it will fight attempts to put the United Nations or any international group in charge of the Internet.

"We want to make sure the private sector leads and the Internet continues to be a reservoir of great innovation, and that governments continue to focus on enabling the growth of the Internet, and not of controlling its use," Ambassador David A. Gross told The Washington Times in an interview.

Major developing nations spearheaded by China, Brazil, South Africa, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and a number of industrialized countries including Norway, Switzerland and Russia would like to see the United States relinquish its historic control of the Internet.

"This situation is very undemocratic, unfair and unreasonable," said Sha Zukang, the ambassador from China, which this week imposed new rules that allow only "healthy and civilized" news to be read by the mainland's 100 million Web users.

China's government will determine which news is healthy and which news is not.

The question of Internet governance is the most politically charged issue in preparatory talks here for the second World Information Society Summit to be held in Tunis, Tunisia, in November.

Mr. Gross, U.S. coordinator for international communications and information policy, said the role of the U.S. government is "to ensure stability and reliability of the Internet.

"We will take no action that would undermine that stability," he said.
The U.S.-based ICANN -- or Internet Corp. for Assigned Names and Numbers -- is a nonprofit corporation that administers the Internet's domain name system.

Massod Khan, Pakistan's ambassador and chairman of the Internet governance segment of the talks, said the issues are difficult and added "there is a will to engage, but we have to wait for the outcome."

Paul Twomey, president of ICANN, said his organization does not want to see "the Internet's technological future politicized."
For the full text, go to:
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20050926-094916-3102r.htm

[MKtexan]

U.S. tells nations hands off Internet
By John Zarocostas
SPECIAL TO THE WASHINGTON TIMES
September 27, 2005


GENEVA -- The United States said at the outset of global talks on information technology yesterday that it will fight attempts to put the United Nations or any international group in charge of the Internet.

"We want to make sure the private sector leads and the Internet continues to be a reservoir of great innovation, and that governments continue to focus on enabling the growth of the Internet, and not of controlling its use," Ambassador David A. Gross told The Washington Times in an interview.

Major developing nations spearheaded by China, Brazil, South Africa, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and a number of industrialized countries including Norway, Switzerland and Russia would like to see the United States relinquish its historic control of the Internet.

"This situation is very undemocratic, unfair and unreasonable," said Sha Zukang, the ambassador from China, which this week imposed new rules that allow only "healthy and civilized" news to be read by the mainland's 100 million Web users.

China's government will determine which news is healthy and which news is not.

The question of Internet governance is the most politically charged issue in preparatory talks here for the second World Information Society Summit to be held in Tunis, Tunisia, in November.

Mr. Gross, U.S. coordinator for international communications and information policy, said the role of the U.S. government is "to ensure stability and reliability of the Internet.

"We will take no action that would undermine that stability," he said.
The U.S.-based ICANN -- or Internet Corp. for Assigned Names and Numbers -- is a nonprofit corporation that administers the Internet's domain name system.

Massod Khan, Pakistan's ambassador and chairman of the Internet governance segment of the talks, said the issues are difficult and added "there is a will to engage, but we have to wait for the outcome."

Paul Twomey, president of ICANN, said his organization does not want to see "the Internet's technological future politicized."
For the full text, go to:
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20050926-094916-3102r.htm

:roll: how surprising to see Russia, Iran, saudi Arabia and China on that list.......

[uhramechi]

yeah any goverment should control the internet

the internet must be free, the internet is the only free media that exist in this days, so fight for a internet free of goverment, specially if the goverment than want to put rules in the internet are socialist of the left

[Inquisitor]

yeah any goverment should control the internet

the internet must be free, the internet is the only free media that exist in this days, so fight for a internet free of goverment, specially if the goverment than want to put rules in the internet are socialist of the left

oh yea the scarying socialists :lol: :cantbeli:

[Wodan]

yeah any goverment should control the internet

the internet must be free, the internet is the only free media that exist in this days, so fight for a internet free of goverment, specially if the goverment than want to put rules in the internet are socialist of the left


so why should some bastards like bush be able to take influence, the best place is Switzerland, to keep it free, not the usa.

[Roaming East]

well if the Swiss would actually INVENT a worldwide form of instant global communication im sure we'd allow them to run it as they wish

[demotivater]

Mess with the net and we send Al Gore to kick your ass!

[cut]

The US doen't want anyone ELSE in charge of the internet

[Roaming East]

The US doen't want anyone ELSE in charge of the internet
still sounds reasonable

[cut]

well if the Swiss would actually INVENT a worldwide form of instant global communication im sure we'd allow them to run it as they wish

we invented TV so maybe we should take global control of it

[Roaming East]

well if the Swiss would actually INVENT a worldwide form of instant global communication im sure we'd allow them to run it as they wish

we invented TV so maybe we should take global control of it
Hey by all means, i dont watch the idiot box anyway. Who makes patent royalties off of television anyway?

[Laworkerbee]

yeah any goverment should control the internet

the internet must be free, the internet is the only free media that exist in this days, so fight for a internet free of goverment, specially if the goverment than want to put rules in the internet are socialist of the left


so why should some bastards like bush be able to take influence, the best place is Switzerland, to keep it free, not the usa.

LOL how does Bush influence the internet you Wanker? rofl

[2Sheds_Jackson]

"This situation is very undemocratic, unfair and unreasonable," said Sha Zukang, the ambassador from China, which this week imposed new rules that allow only "healthy and civilized" news to be read by the mainland's 100 million Web users.

China's government will determine which news is healthy and which news is not.

rofl I love the Chinese government. I bet this turd said it with a straight face too.

[Bluezoo]

Mess with the net and we send Al Gore to kick your ass!

Shhhhh, he invented the internet. rofl

[Secret Squirrel]

Mess with the net and we send Al Gore to kick your ass!

Shhhhh, he invented the internet. rofl


Claim: Vice-President Al Gore claimed that he "invented" the Internet.

Status: False.

link (http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp)

"Don't get stuck on stupid" :lol:

[b.scheller]

By the way, just incase anyone wondered, the Swiss didn't invent the net either. Unlike Dan Brown claims, than again, just because he says its true doesnt mean anything...obviously proven by his proof that Priory of Sion exists...

[TheKiwi]

The UN is the obvious organisation for administering the internet. After all, they'd never come up with ideas like regulating all journalists and forcing them to get a license to report from their government. Except that they did (it was proposed in the 1970's). And it was only a refusal to sign up to this brilliant idea by the US and UK that kept it from being passed.

[Kilgor]

"undemocratic ****holes want control over information and the internet"

Wow... now thats a story.

:roll:

[Telnyashka]

I believe the UN should regulate it, not the United States.

Other than inventing it, they have no justification other than that ontop of other nations to regulate it.

Best to leave it to an international body

[mi35d]

Sure. Lets give it to the UN. An organization that continues to be one of the most corrupt on the planet. And of course, whoever is in charge of the UN at the time isn't going to play games and try to charge countries for usage fees or try to censor content.

The US has run the internet without any problems and without limiting anyone.

Lets give it to the Chinese - I'm waiting to see my "healthy" news!

[DE_Six]

[quote]

"This situation is very undemocratic, unfair and unreasonable," said Sha Zukang, the ambassador from China, which this week imposed new rules that allow only "healthy and civilized" news to be read by the mainland's 100 million Web users.

China's government will determine which news is healthy and which news is not.


Funniest statement evah!! :lol:

China talking about "undemocratic" things... rofl

[DE_Six]

I believe the UN should regulate it, not the United States.

Other than inventing it, they have no justification other than that ontop of other nations to regulate it.

Best to leave it to an international body

Other than inventing it...says it all. The US should patent the damn thing. They rule it and the web is by far the apex of free speech. There's not a damn thing anyone cannot put on the web. If it ain't broke, don't fix it...

If China wants its own "healthy" web, they can invent their own protocol. It's a free world. Oh wait, no, not in China.

Leave it to the UN..oh yeah. I can see that from here, when it'll be Libya's turn, or China's turn to head the Committee for the Healthy and Proper Use of the Cyberspace, we'll be drowning in propaganda. :roll:

I wouldn't trust my kid to a UN-run daycare, much less with the Internet.

The whole world can use the web as it sees fit as it is under US "rule"(like they actually regulate it, everyone uses it, even Al Qaeda recruiters). Except in countries that regulate what is "healthy" and what is not...

I say we ask Al Gore. After all, he invented it... :P

[Telnyashka]

Im mad at UN for not supporting war on Iraq

That's all I am hearing...

[uhramechi]

everbody we must figt for a freee internet, the internet is our last free media, we can loss this media, because like the tv and radio is a only a controlled media of rich people, and the political intereste like in spain that the journalism their look like as publicist of the communism or agents promoters of the socialism, and they only show the view of the marxism comunsit of zapatero and the gruop prisoe and the psoe, in generally the socialist only want to control of internet because with internet is reavealed the true of their goverments, the only democratic thing we can reach so fight for the free internet the internet should be made ofr privated company in all the world without the interferences of the any goverment, or also each person must to have a serve and created their own server system in internet to realy make more free the internet

and this is the ironic the rich companys and socialisms goverments try to the destroy the freedomn in internet maybe the build a alliance



http://www-etsi2.ugr.es/alumnos/mu01/img/adolfgates.jpg

http://www.nodo50.org/agl/data/media/1/anarquia.jpg

fight for free internet, long live to the free software and free world of socialist control

[AlisterMcRae]

everbody we must figt for a freee internet, the internet is our last free media, we can loss this media, because like the tv and radio is a only a controlled media of rich people, and the political intereste like in spain that the journalism their look like as publicist of the communism or agents promoters of the socialism, and they only show the view of the marxism comunsit of zapatero and the gruop prisoe and the psoe, in generally the socialist only want to control of internet because with internet is reavealed the true of their goverments, the only democratic thing we can reach so fight for the free internet the internet should be made ofr privated company in all the world without the interferences of the any goverment, or also each person must to have a serve and created their own server system in internet to realy make more free the internet

and this is the ironic the rich companys and socialisms goverments try to the destroy the freedomn in internet maybe the build a alliance



http://www-etsi2.ugr.es/alumnos/mu01/img/adolfgates.jpg

http://www.nodo50.org/agl/data/media/1/anarquia.jpg

fight for free internet, long live to the free software and free world of socialist control

Thats why the internet works so well because it is almost entirely free of any control.

Long Live Milton Friedman
http://i.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1969/1101691219_400.jpg

[Lt-Col A. Tack]

The UN is the obvious organisation for administering the internet. After all, they'd never come up with ideas like regulating all journalists and forcing them to get a license to report from their government. Except that they did (it was proposed in the 1970's). And it was only a refusal to sign up to this brilliant idea by the US and UK that kept it from being passed.Are you nuts! :bash: What if the government is the problem?

"Yessir Mr Castro, I've lived in Cuba all my life and I'm a bona fide journalist. I'd like tell the world how crappy the conditions in Cuba since the revolution!"

or

"Mr. Chavez, I'm a journalist and I live and work here in Venezuela. We were wondering how you answer those who in the international community who accuse you of being a total nutjob?"

[melon]

Im mad at UN for not supporting war on Iraq

That's all I am hearing...

"I want to suck off the teat of capitalism, without any sacrifice or hard work."


That's all I am hearing.

Sure, they didn't invent it, pay for the infastructure to be put into place, develop the software to run and maintain it, but surely we should hand over the keys. You have to try harder to knock off the big boys, we will not step lightly off our platform of global hegemony. We put too much time, effort, blood, sweat and tears into where we are and what we have accomplished to just hand over the responsibility of the single greatest technological achievement in the last 600 years. Not since the printing press was invented in 1450 has the world seen an easier way to pass information and knowledge between people.

To even suggest handling such a task over to those who willing and freely admit to preventing the free flow of ideas and culutre to their own population so they can preform this on a global scale is as stupid an idea as I have ever heard. Only a fool in the western world, (read european socialist) would proffer this. Free economies with limited regulation and a free, unfettered exchange of ideas are what will drive prosperity in the next century. Those who want to harness this power from the US want nothing more to end the dominance of US-styled economic influence and see this as the first step. Sadly, they are mistaken and misguided.

Again, you will have to step up to the plate and forcefully knock us off.

Read it and weap.


Idiots.

[mi35d]

mi35d wrote:
Im mad at UN for not supporting war on Iraq

That's all I am hearing...

Well, actually I DIDN'T write that. You made up a quote and attributed it to me. Good to know you took a page from the Dan Rather school of journalism.

You don't know me, you don't know my views. Apologize publically and then Telnyashka, take your crap elsewhere.

As for my concern over the UN and its corrupt policies, you might want to ask about that minor "Oil for Food" thing...as for them supporting my country, I could care less. They are an inept, gutless organization. One word for their incompetence: Rwanda.

[Hawaii_Light]

By the way, just incase anyone wondered, the Swiss didn't invent the net either. Unlike Dan Brown claims, than again, just because he says its true doesnt mean anything...obviously proven by his proof that Priory of Sion exists...

An englishman developed the internet while working for the Swiss company mentioned in the book. The man's work is claimed by the company but accredited to him.

[Hawaii_Light]

Sure. Lets give it to the UN. An organization that continues to be one of the most corrupt on the planet. And of course, whoever is in charge of the UN at the time isn't going to play games and try to charge countries for usage fees or try to censor content.

The US has run the internet without any problems and without limiting anyone.

Lets give it to the Chinese - I'm waiting to see my "healthy" news!

Yeah, i guess the only thing more corrupt then the U.N is the U.S Senate :roll:

anyways if any of you knew about the extrodenary works that have helped improve this world by the U.N and NGO groups then you wouldn't be labeling it as a **** organisation. But i do disagree with them owning the internet, the only advantage I see would be the annihlation of child ****ography.

[Lazy Lob]

[An englishman developed the internet while working for the Swiss company mentioned in the book. The man's work is claimed by the company but accredited to him.

Yeah, right on. We should have ICANN and all that **** in Essex, all in Burberry.

[Amerikosskiy_xyu]

well if the Swiss would actually INVENT a worldwide form of instant global communication im sure we'd allow them to run it as they wish

we invented TV so maybe we should take global control of it

no you didnt, russians and americans did.

[Lazy Lob]

well if the Swiss would actually INVENT a worldwide form of instant global communication im sure we'd allow them to run it as they wish

we invented TV so maybe we should take global control of it

no you didnt, russians and americans did.

Jonnskiski Logirovich Bairdoff :P

[sickofpretenders]

Who are these people saying the UN should take over? Insanity! The UN is an absolute joke in terms of an international regulating body. Are you people acutally suggesting regulation of the internet be placed in the hands of an organisation that is completely currupt and China, well known for its internet censorship already, will have permanent power of veto? That is completely stupid.

The switzerland crack? WTF! why the swiss? because they were semi neutral during the war and they invest bin ladens money for him? great idea dumbass.

If it aint broke why fix it?

[a_very_ex_STAB]

We Brits should regulate it seeing as we invented computers in the first place.
All traffic should be routed through the UK so we get first dibs on the best lesbian ****.
;)

[sickofpretenders]

Well then edison invented/discovered electicity and the diode so its back to america again :cantbeli:

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Well then edison invented/discovered electicity and the diode so its back to america again :cantbeli:

OK that's the last time I try to make a joke on here :roll:

[mi35d]

helped improve this world by the U.N and NGO groups

You're talking two different organizations. I'm specifically talking about the UN leadership and many of its core affiliations. Kofi Anan, etc.

Yes, there is SOME good that comes out of the UN. BUt for the most part it's poorly run and doesn't perform its duties effieciently.

As for the dig at the US Senate, wtf? Once again, why don't you ask Mr Anan about the missing BILLIONS of $$$.

[Amerikosskiy_xyu]

well if the Swiss would actually INVENT a worldwide form of instant global communication im sure we'd allow them to run it as they wish

we invented TV so maybe we should take global control of it

no you didnt, russians and americans did.

Jonnskiski Logirovich Bairdoff :P

that doesnt tell me anything i cant even google that name. instead look up Zworykin and Farnsworth and see their involvment throught most of the timeline of tv creation.

[Bluezoo]

Mess with the net and we send Al Gore to kick your ass!

Shhhhh, he invented the internet. rofl


Claim: Vice-President Al Gore claimed that he "invented" the Internet.

Status: False.

link (http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp)

"Don't get stuck on stupid" :lol:

:oops: Ooops, he took the initiative in creating the internet! But but but he invented the camcorder! rofl

"... During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.....
I was pretty tired when I made that comment because I had been up very late the night before inventing the camcorder." :lol:
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/g/goreinternet.htm

Still, the Chinese should ask Al if this is healthy.... :lol:

[panzerjager]

well if the Swiss would actually INVENT a worldwide form of instant global communication im sure we'd allow them to run it as they wish

Target, cease fire.

[vryhpyammoadded]

I guess the next step is Chine... err UN controls on Earths Book, movie and TV content. No wait, why stop there?
US control of the Internet, what the hell does that mean? There is no US control of the Internet. The Internet by design is quite capable of being configured however you want it, alter DNS tables, block ports or heck, simply don't physically connect at all with the global Internet if you desire.
China has already pretty much pinched off its own section and about walled themselves in so what’s the fuss. Oh wait, the dam leaks...

Some control freak wants us to give them our cake (Liberty) so they can eat it too. and they will ;)

I predict the Chinese government will be relearning a quaint old fact of human nature. The more you tighten your grip, the more they slip through your fingers.

I still have this nasty feeling a reckoning is coming.

[Lazy Lob]

that doesnt tell me anything i cant even google that name. instead look up Zworykin and Farnsworth and see their involvment throught most of the timeline of tv creation.

rofl Hope you didn't spend much time mate.

Jonnskiski Logirovich Bairdoff

John Logie Baird.....get it now? :backhand:

[Jobu]

I wouldn't trust the UN to shine my shoes let alone run the internet.

[ViktorNavorski]

First, you cannot "control" the Internet, per say. Second, the U.S. [government] is in no commanding way of dictating how it is nor will any other governmental or organization be capable of doing it. Microsoft, Google, eBay and the rest of the private sectors (Obviously, most reside in the U.S.) that have actual "control" because it is they that develop the software, hardware and infrastructure that set the standards. So far, for its existent, the private sector has done a pretty damn good job, the bureaucracy of governments has enough trouble running their respective countries as it is, no need to drag the Internet in the dirt with it.

[Hawaii_Light]

helped improve this world by the U.N and NGO groups

You're talking two different organizations. I'm specifically talking about the UN leadership and many of its core affiliations. Kofi Anan, etc.

Yes, there is SOME good that comes out of the UN. BUt for the most part it's poorly run and doesn't perform its duties effieciently.

As for the dig at the US Senate, wtf? Once again, why don't you ask Mr Anan about the missing BILLIONS of $$$.

it was Kofi Annan's son who was in that scam/pilfiring of funds, and that guy was a complete idiot, Kofi Annan isn't the greatest Secretary General but hes good, and he knows how to get the job done when it is actually possible to do (which requires cooperation).

[sickofpretenders]

WHAAAAAT!?!?!? how the hell can you say that? if he wasnt directly involved he either had to know about it or be criminally worthless at his job. I think both. Kofi is a joke of a man hired for PC reasons only.

[DarkCypher]

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1126/p06s02-wogi.html

http://www.sudantribune.com/article.php3?id_article=10858

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/peacekpg/general/2004/1126sexhaunt.htm

Sorry, but the UN can go suck my ****.

[J-10]

... relearning a quaint old fact of human nature.

Here is a 'healthy' Chinese web site. Share with you. :P

http://pastime.bbs.xilu.com/

[Asheren]

Be afraid of peoples who denny you access to infromation because in their dreams they call themselves your masters.

[usa320]

We invented the internet. its ours. The UN can go blow itself.

That would be like putting the UN in charge of television.

[Roy Batty]

I wouldn't trust the UN to shine my shoes let alone run the internet.

Agreed but then again I would say the same for almost all nations. Hell I wouldnt trust most nations to run to the store for a bottle of milk!

[TheKiwi]

Why the ITU really isn't competent enough to run the internet:


Does the ITU get the internet?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/29/itu_ip_lock/

World organisation's IP block on lock
By Kieren McCarthy in Geneva
Published Thursday 29th September 2005 13:56 GMT

The International Telecommunications Union (ITU) is angling for a wider role in running the internet, to the extent that it is hosting the WSIS meeting taking place in Geneva at the moment.

Situated in the United Nations' Palais des Nations and just over the road from the ITU three-building complex, delegates from across the world have been complaining about the low-tech environment featuring unrecordable audio and a severe shortage of power sockets.

However, the one area where the ITU has managed to get its act together is in the provision of wireless internet links for the hundreds of laptops here. There is only one problem: if we were following the strict rules that the ITU would seek to impose on the internet's infrastructure, this network would not exist at all.

The ITU's chunk of the internet - its IP block - is 156.106.0.0. to 156.106.255.255, allowing for over 65,000 individual IP addresses. All of the ITU's internet connections (including the one this laptop is using to file stories) are run through this block. But if you do a search on this IP block at overseers RIPE, you'll see that it is actually locked for failing to comply with regulations.

Why? Because the ITU is using a "NONE" authentication system. That isn't a fancy acronymn, it means that there is no authentication on the system. The internet has changed so significantly in the past five years that RIPE put an end to the ability to run IP blocks without some form of security. It discussed, agreed and put an end to the "none" system back in April 2004.

The ITU however - the foremost communications organisation in the world - remains unauthenticated and as such is on lock.

The one person that can sort this out - the designated technical contact, one Luis Rodrigues - hasn't worked for ITU for years. And only an email to his account can free up the block. Plus we have it on good authority that the ITU was informed directly about this situation a fortnight ago and promised to put someone on the case straight away.

In an under-regulated internet world, this is just the sort of thing that is allowed to continue unpunished. The question is: if the body that wants to regulate such matters is in flagrant breach of its own rules, what confidence can we have that there are people at the heart of it who actually know what they're doing? ®

[Freibier]

Freibier tells nations, hands off ze ****

[Clarsachier]

Excerpt from GW's OPCENTER briefing this morning ;

"We'll that's it ; we gotta invade."

"Should be no problem getting the American public to believe there's WMD
somewhere in the internet - worked in Iraq." "Very little risk when they
find out - (laughter)."

Condi ; "Of course. No problem. I'll get right on it."

p-)

[Laworkerbee]

Freibier tells nations, hands off ze ****

rofl

[Lt-Col A. Tack]

Excerpt from GW's OPCENTER briefing this morning ;

"We'll that's it ; we gotta invade."

"Should be no problem getting the American public to believe there's WMD
somewhere in the internet - worked in Iraq." "Very little risk when they
find out - (laughter)."

Condi ; "Of course. No problem. I'll get right on it."

p-)

Neither clever nor humorous nor relevant.

[Roy Batty]

Excerpt from GW's OPCENTER briefing this morning ;

"We'll that's it ; we gotta invade."

"Should be no problem getting the American public to believe there's WMD
somewhere in the internet - worked in Iraq." "Very little risk when they
find out - (laughter)."

Condi ; "Of course. No problem. I'll get right on it."

p-)

Neither clever nor humorous nor relevant.

Actualy ....kinda humorous :lol:

[Clarsachier]

the issue is, a matter of the U.S. 'releasing control' of the internet.

History shows that not too many nations are eager to release control of anything.

Although I doubt the current U.S. administration's ability to manage anything, I would not expect them to willingly give up control of such a major advantage as control of the internet.

I.e., the directory codes and MS's control codes for all Windows operating systems.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

I.e., the directory codes and MS's control codes for all Windows operating systems.

:| Do you know something the rest of us don't?

[Clarsachier]

I.e., the directory codes and MS's control codes for all Windows operating systems.

:| Do you know something the rest of us don't?



I expect most people (especially those posting on the 'net) know that.

Maybe not. Do you have a specific question?

[b.scheller]

Meh, MS Operating Systems, are full of loop holes and just bad coding. Although Microsoft seems, to be such a huge monopolistic company, it doens't necessairly mean that they gaurantee quality. As most of you know, the Windows O.S are pretty bad, when it comes to quality.

[Knutsen]

Yep, it was the US the first to connect 2 computers, but it was an Englichman (Tim Berners-Lee) working at the CERN who invented the WWW (World Wide Web) , which is what we all use and know, so saying the americans invented internet is like saying submarines were invented by Archimede because of his principles p-) .

[vryhpyammoadded]

... relearning a quaint old fact of human nature.

Here is a 'healthy' Chinese web site. Share with you. :P

http://pastime.bbs.xilu.com/

LOL, If my wife caught me looking I'd learn more Cantonese than I could handle. I can imagine it starting with something sounding like "Jok Say" followed by more verbal :slap: and me rofl followed with more :slap:

Great link! Cool

[mi35d]

And the US invented video technology...so what??? Who controls it today?

Here's a concept: the US controls the internet right now. Is there censorship? Are there fees? Is there really anything out there that you could do better if it was under the control of another country?

I think the US is doing a pretty damn good job of stewardship so far.

[Siddar]

Excerpt from GW's OPCENTER briefing this morning ;

"We'll that's it ; we gotta invade."

"Should be no problem getting the American public to believe there's WMD
somewhere in the internet - worked in Iraq." "Very little risk when they
find out - (laughter)."

Condi ; "Of course. No problem. I'll get right on it."

p-)

Why would Bush invade something he already owns?

Its kinda like Bush getting up tomorow and saying hey lets invade Iraq. Then Condi saying but sir we already did that.

[Clarsachier]

But I'd really like to know the definition of 'control of the that is in contention.

I have some limited concepts as to what comprises 'control of the internet'. Logically, owning MS's 'backdoor' codes to the softwares that controls the majority of servers and routers in the world would be an advantage.


It's supposed to be possible to control national internet content and access. For instance, Nazi and other racists websites are illegal to run or access in most EU countries but not in the U.S..

[WolverineBlue]

keep your dirty hands off of my root dns server, beeyatch?

[Siddar]

Really issue comes down to whose side your on. On one side we have the coalition of the evil and stupid that want control of internet for following reasons.

China Iran Cuba want control to shut down political disent.
UN EU want control to tax the hell out of it.
Saudi Araibia wants control to ban **** gambleing and liqour sites.
Brazil India want control so they can rig internet to favor local companys.

Then on otherside you have the US coalition of we dont need no f$%ing coalitions. That wants internet left alone.

I know witch side im on.

[Hawaii_Light]

UN EU want control to tax the hell out of it.


When did the EU get involved with this, I havn't heard anything about the EU wanting the internet.

Please tell me where to find this particular information that dictates that the U.N will tax the internet if they take control of it.

The U.N can't tax anyway, The UN is not a government, theirfor it taxing something would be the same as the catholic church taxing something, their both organisations.

alot of people make **** up about the U.N because they don't understand it, but im not easily fooled p-)


Conscious of the contribution that science and technology can render towards meeting the needs common to all humanity,
-Declaration on Social Progress and Development
Proclaimed by General Assembly resolution 2542 (XXIV) of 11 December 1969

see the UN declaration of human rights on how technology should be used for the benifit of mankind, see

The exploitation of the IP system as an important and powerful tool for wealth creation and poverty reduction is at the center of the vision and strategy of WIPO. Modern legislation and effective administrative infrastructures for the acquisition of IP rights are important steps towards IP protection. But the acquisition of IP rights is of little economic value if these rights cannot be enforced effectively. The credibility of the IP system depends to a considerable extent on the enforceability of IP rights conferred thereby. Well-functioning IP enforcement mechanisms are the best means to limit the number of violations of IP rights and to ensure that right holders and the society as a whole can reap the benefits from the IP system.

On this website, anyone interested in issues and strategies concerning the enforcement of intellectual property rights is invited to take a look at the activities of WIPO in this field and at developments that are taking place around the globe. They will also find answers to a number of frequently raised questions.

This website integrates parts of the IPEIS Electronic Forum, established following the WIPO Consultation Meeting on Enforcement (CME), in September 2002, and amended pursuant to the recommendations of the first and the second session of the Advisory Committee on Enforcement (ACE) in June 2003 and June 2004. Access to information provided by WIPO Member States and accredited observers in response to requests of information distributed by the International Bureau is limited to registered participants.


thats just laws concerning IP's from WIPO.

oh, and guess what. THE UN CAN"T TAX.[/quote]

[Telnyashka]

... would be the same as the catholic church taxing something, their both organisations...

Ahem...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_tax

[Drunkensquid]

Im mad at UN for not supporting war on Iraq

That's all I am hearing...

"I want to suck off the teat of capitalism, without any sacrifice or hard work."


That's all I am hearing.

Sure, they didn't invent it, pay for the infastructure to be put into place, develop the software to run and maintain it, but surely we should hand over the keys. You have to try harder to knock off the big boys, we will not step lightly off our platform of global hegemony. We put too much time, effort, blood, sweat and tears into where we are and what we have accomplished to just hand over the responsibility of the single greatest technological achievement in the last 600 years. Not since the printing press was invented in 1450 has the world seen an easier way to pass information and knowledge between people.

To even suggest handling such a task over to those who willing and freely admit to preventing the free flow of ideas and culutre to their own population so they can preform this on a global scale is as stupid an idea as I have ever heard. Only a fool in the western world, (read european socialist) would proffer this. Free economies with limited regulation and a free, unfettered exchange of ideas are what will drive prosperity in the next century. Those who want to harness this power from the US want nothing more to end the dominance of US-styled economic influence and see this as the first step. Sadly, they are mistaken and misguided.

Again, you will have to step up to the plate and forcefully knock us off.

Read it and weap.


Idiots.

Very well said woot

[sir-chimp]

Im mad at UN for not supporting war on Iraq

That's all I am hearing...

"I want to suck off the teat of capitalism, without any sacrifice or hard work."


That's all I am hearing.

Sure, they didn't invent it, pay for the infastructure to be put into place, develop the software to run and maintain it, but surely we should hand over the keys. You have to try harder to knock off the big boys, we will not step lightly off our platform of global hegemony. We put too much time, effort, blood, sweat and tears into where we are and what we have accomplished to just hand over the responsibility of the single greatest technological achievement in the last 600 years. Not since the printing press was invented in 1450 has the world seen an easier way to pass information and knowledge between people.

To even suggest handling such a task over to those who willing and freely admit to preventing the free flow of ideas and culutre to their own population so they can preform this on a global scale is as stupid an idea as I have ever heard. Only a fool in the western world, (read european socialist) would proffer this. Free economies with limited regulation and a free, unfettered exchange of ideas are what will drive prosperity in the next century. Those who want to harness this power from the US want nothing more to end the dominance of US-styled economic influence and see this as the first step. Sadly, they are mistaken and misguided.

Again, you will have to step up to the plate and forcefully knock us off.

Read it and weap.


Idiots.

Very well said woot

yes very well said

[Siddar]

UN EU want control to tax the hell out of it.


When did the EU get involved with this, I havn't heard anything about the EU wanting the internet.

Please tell me where to find this particular information that dictates that the U.N will tax the internet if they take control of it.

The U.N can't tax anyway, The UN is not a government, theirfor it taxing something would be the same as the catholic church taxing something, their both organisations.

alot of people make **** up about the U.N because they don't understand it, but im not easily fooled p-)

The EU shifted its postion this week its why your seeing all the extra atention to the issue.

You are correct that UN doesnt have ability to tax at this time but the has been a constant atempts by europeans mostly france to get some form of global taxxes in place, They have floated taxxes on currency tradeing taxxes on airline tickets taxxes on weapon sale all with in past few years.

Why do they to make these proposals when they know many counrtys in world reject the idea of paying taxxes to any group not control by there own country.

The reason is simple the UN as it is curently funded is as big as its going to get. Simply put no one is willing to pay more money to expand the UN. If you want UN as a world goverment you come quickly to the problem that at its present size UN cant even begin to try to fill that role.

Trying to grow UN in curent financeing system isnt a option because no one is will to put up more money. So only way for UN to grow is for it to be able to levy taxxes.

Has the UN said it wants to tax the internet no it hasnt but it hasnt also said that it wont ever try.

Here is some more info on whole issue

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Internet users say debate over control misses point
By Tom Wright International Herald Tribune

FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 30, 2005


GENEVA Talks on regulating the digital traffic of the 21st century ended without agreement on Friday, but the United States won some backing for its refusal to cede its sole control to an international body from groups representing ordinary Internet users.

Many Web surfers may not like the effective control the United States has over the Internet through its supervision of the Internet addressing system. But few of the user groups at the talks support involving the United Nations, which they say could lead to the politicization of the Internet.

"The UN is not a good body to run the Internet," said Jeanette Hofmann, a German academic representing the Internet Governance Caucus, a nongovernmental group. "We don't want nondemocratic countries to have influence over a system that is so important to the freedom of expression."

The European Union late Wednesday joined calls from other nations for giving supervisory power to an intergovernmental body, but the idea was rejected by Washington as leading to unnecessary bureaucratization. The uncompromising U.S. stance has led to a deadlock in the talks, called the World Summit on the Information Society, which started in 2003 and are set to conclude in Tunisia next month.

Groups representing Web surfers at the talks complained that the dispute between the United States and the rest of the world over administration is overshadowing more important issues, such as cleaning up spam from e-mail systems and combating cyber crime and identity theft, areas where they say governments should play a more active role.

"I think the debate here is not all that relevant to people that use the Internet," said Lynne St. Amour, chief executive of the Internet Society, a nonprofit organization based in Reston, Virginia. "The row is largely because of the geopolitical situation."

While nations feud over who should authorize the use of domain names, experts say the real power is likely to remain with the one billion users of a system that unifies almost a quarter million networks and is largely democratic in the way it operates.


In the same way global trade has exploded in recent years despite the slow pace of World Trade Organization talks, these groups say they believe the Internet will continue to expand with or without an international consensus.


Still, others warn that the unilateral approach taken by the United States could end up having an effect on the Internet if disgruntled nations like China move to set up their own domain name systems in parallel to the existing network.


That could lead to a fragmented Internet, making it harder for users to connect and find information on a global scale, said Robert Shaw, an adviser at the International Telecommunication Union, a UN-run body based in Geneva that hosted the talks.


"If developing countries don't feel their concerns are being addressed, they might just set up a completely different system," he said, while conceding such a drastic step would be unlikely any time soon.


Although the EU and developing countries like Brazil and South Africa have been irritated by the U.S. government's pre-eminent position, in reality Washington has not been that involved in regulating the global network, St. Amour and other experts say.

"The U.S. government has actually had a very light hand over the years," said St. Amour.

In the debates in Geneva, U.S. delegates reiterated a pledge by the Bush administration in July not to give up its supervision of "root zone files" that are the essence of the Internet addressing system, the key mechanism for finding information across the global network. But although the U.S. Commerce Department approves changes, the files are administered by a nonprofit organization called the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, based in California.

Many users want the United States to stick to its promise to eventually make that organization fully independent.

With the United States opposed to the idea of giving up control to an international body, there is little chance of breaking the deadlock soon, delegates said. On Friday, talks returned to a proposal for a global forum to discuss Internet-related issues, but which would not have any regulatory teeth. Delegates said more meetings would be needed before the Tunisia summit on Nov. 16.

"In my view, Internet governance is not about root zone files and domain name systems only," Janis Karklins, the Latvian ambassador to the UN in Geneva and president of the meeting, said in his closing remarks. "That is not an issue which really concerns an ordinary user. Their concern is that the Internet is stable."

[Hawaii_Light]

I definitly agree on the UN not controlling the internet, but i think that an international group should be devoloped that would help govern the internet (technicaly the U.S would still control the Internet, but this group would help the United States and other nations to vanquish child ****ography, and prevent fraudulant or criminal activites on the internet)

the U.S would control it, but it would be made up of many different represinatives of different countries who would help contribute to their funds by paying an annual fee to be on the "council". some of the benifits of being on this council would be the ability to help promote your nations businuess and economic ideals on the internet.

no taxation, no gimicks, just responsible governing of the interenet, even though americas doing a good job, i have no complaints what so ever, but they are unable to target fraudelent or illeagal activites perpatrated outside of their country, thats why this would be a good idea.

the only problem with this might be the whole music download thing, i thrive off of it :(

[Bluezoo]

Here is an update:

U.S. dominance in Internet regulation under fire
By Jeffrey Sparshott
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
October 10, 2005


A growing bloc of rich and poor nations wants to strip the U.S. government of its role managing the Internet's most basic infrastructure and hand it over to a still-undefined international coalition.

The Bush administration opposes such a move, saying a bureaucratic morass would undermine the stability and reliability of the Internet.

"What we are not interested in ... is the establishment of a new international institution to regulate the Internet," said David Gross, head of the U.S. delegation to the World Summit on the Information Society, U.N.-brokered meetings to deal with issues related to cybercrime, economic development and Internet management.

Under such a proposal, the U.S. would have to agree to give up control, an unlikely result.

The dispute threatens progress on issues such as international cooperation on reducing junk e-mail and expanding the Internet to poor countries.

Countries are fighting over control of the Internet's Domain Name Systems. DNS translates domain names, such as www.google.com, into the unique numerical addresses read by computers. Allocation and coordination of the names and numbers from a central authority is crucial to linking the multiple, scattered networks that constitute the Internet.

The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) is a nonprofit in Marina del Rey, Calif., that has a memorandum of understanding with the Commerce Department to oversee the naming system and allocate top-level domains such as ".com," ".ca" for Canada and the new ".mobi" for mobile phones. ICANN has no say over Internet content.

Countries outside the U.S., often with different objectives, chafe at the central U.S. role.

Argentina, for example, sees the Internet as a global resource and thinks all nations, through a multilateral institution, should have a role in setting policies. A few authoritarian regimes, such as Cuba and Iran, are more interested in limiting access to information.

The movement for greater international involvement gathered steam at the end of last month when the European Union made a call to end the Commerce Department role.

"The [European Union] had toed the same line as the U.S. But they came around to more international approach. That was surprising," said Sarah Parkes, spokeswoman for the International Telecommunications Union (ITU), a body of the United Nations that is organizing the summit.

The European proposal, formally introduced to other nations last month in Geneva, calls for "international government involvement" in name-, number- and address-related matters -- procedures such as creation of new top-level domains, allocation of the corresponding numbers and establishment of an international panel to settle disputes.

For the full text, go to:
http://www.washtimes.com/business/20051010-120341-1867r.htm