View Full Version : Swedish Police Captain risks prison sentence for speaking up
http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=2167&date=20050927&PHPSESSID=c25779ebf31ce123e20902c7f2184e22
A swedish police captain in Malmö sent an email to the mayor of the city demanding more resources to the care of the elderly and that less resources should be used on "criminals called Mohammed".
Since we don't have freedom of speech a great police officer will probably lose his job and be sent to prison.
He did also say ”jävla blattar" that is something like ****ing ****** in english.So Thor can take his freedom of speech and stick it up his nazi ass
1. You have no concept of freedom of speech since you are an evil, ignorant commie. This fine police officer that has served the public for many years should have the right to voice his opinion without being sent to prison.
Especially not since he was upset how the much resources that was used on criminal immigrants, on the expense of the elderlys (some are dying alone lying in their own feces).
2. Blatte is not ****** (neger = ******). I know immigrants that call me "svenne" and I call them "blatte". No one takes offence by that word (and even if someone did it doesn't matter).
Ohh yes the evil commies!! Those bastards who destroyed your beloved Führer!!!!
I do understand that you must hate them. poor poor Thor .
and you can cry as much as you want but Blatte is a racial slur, kind of like ******.
Wodan
09-27-2005, 01:58 PM
Well, here everybody says Neger, its just normal, ****** is insulting, neger isnt!
(at least where I am from)
Ohh yes the evil commies!! Those bastards who destroyed your beloved Führer!!!!
I do understand that you must hate them. poor poor Thor .
and you can cry as much as you want but Blatte is a racial slur, kind of like ******.
The commies killed 150 million people during the 20th century. They were stopped by those who believed in freedom.
So take this you evil commie...
http://www.escolar.net/MT/archives/Reagan.jpg
On this board most people are conservative just like me. Meaning that they, among other things, believe in freedom of speech, doing the right thing, and conserving the core values in society.
It doesn't matter if "blatte" is racial slur or not, at most he just used a word inappropriate for a police man, but he should NEVER be convicted for anything for speaking his mind. Nevertheless "blatte" and "svenne" are just everyday words that you hear everywhere in the streets, in the news, in the series/movies, that no one seem to notice. But I guess you live in some secluded commie camp some place far away where you don't get in touch with reality.
kinghk
09-27-2005, 02:30 PM
http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=2167&date=20050927&PHPSESSID=c25779ebf31ce123e20902c7f2184e22
A swedish police captain in Malmö sent an email to the mayor of the city demanding more resources to the care of the elderly and that less resources should be used on "criminals called Mohammed".
WTF happened to the Swedish society? You're giving the term "politically correct" a whole new meaning.
eucalyptus
09-27-2005, 02:44 PM
It doesn't matter if "blatte" is racial slur or not, at most he just used a word inappropriate for a police man, but he should NEVER be convicted for anything for speaking his mind. Nevertheless "blatte" and "svenne" are just everyday words that you hear everywhere in the streets, in the news, in the series/movies, that no one seem to notice. But I guess you live in some secluded commie camp some place far away where you don't get in touch with reality.
You fail to realise freedom of speach as own personal thoughts that you speak in your own home, what he did is not even in the same category. It doesn´t matter how you and your friends talk to eachother, it is a offencive word for every immigrant (ask your friends how it feels like when strangers say that word to them). The stupid policeman wanted to fight racism with racism, even if he served for so long only meens that he sould have quit a long time ago. Those words comming out of a high ranking policeman makes it clearer why so many in Rosengård hate the police.
Racism needs to be uprooted thoroughly from every society, I hope he gets convicted.
The title should have been more in the lines of "Racist cop faces charges", don't you think Thor?
You fail to realise freedom of speach as own personal thoughts that you speak in your own home, what he did is not even in the same category. It doesn´t matter how you and your friends talk to eachother, it is a offencive word for every immigrant (ask your friends how it feels like when strangers say that word to them). The stupid policeman wanted to fight racism with racism, even if he served for so long only meens that he sould have quit a long time ago.Those words comming out of a high ranking policeman makes it clearer why so many in Rosengård hate the police.
...I don't think you understand the concept of freedom of speech; this gentleman should be able to express whatever views he wish in public (or in an email to the mayor) without being sent to prison.
You are just brainwashed commie kids. We should adopt the american constitution, the best one in the world.
By the way, are you in any way excusing immigrant criminals?? They should follow the law. Period. No excuses.
The title should have been more in the lines of "Racist cop faces charges", don't you think Thor?
This police officer was upset by a heart breaking story about a 98 year old gentleman, who had worked hard is whole life, that was refused decent care his last days because all the city's resources are used on criminals in immigrant ghettos.
Racism needs to be uprooted thoroughly from every society, I hope he gets convicted.
Excuse me? You are clearly some anti-democratic individual.. Finnish people are normally not that stuck up.
I don't support anti-democratic commies, but I support their right to express their views. That's democracy.
eucalyptus
09-27-2005, 03:20 PM
I don't think you understand the concept of freedom of speech; this gentleman should be able to express whatever views he wish in public without being sent to a prison.
You are just brainwashed commie kids. We should adopt the american constitution, the best one in the world.
By the way, are you in any way excusing immigrant criminals?? They should follow the law. Period. No excuses.
Im sorry but I have to call you really, really stupid. What does this have to do with criminals?
He sent the email saying that he was a police officer, it´s not in police protocoll to make their own laws on now to treat other people. Police are a authority and authority that is making their own people offended and not treated equally is just the opposite of what sweden stands for. If you like america so much you should probably move to it, because you are offending the Sweden that you live in. Get a trailor and grow hair, short on top and long on back.
rofl
I don't think you understand the concept of freedom of speech; this gentleman should be able to express whatever views he wish in public without being sent to prison.
We should adopt the american constitution, the best one in the world.
You are just brainwashed commie kids.
This police man was upset about the fact that a 98 year old gentleman, who had worked hard is whole life, was refused decent care because all the resources are used on the immigrant ghettos.
Your agrumentation is childish at best, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference wether or not a "98 year old gentleman was denied decent care because all the resources are used on the immigrant ghettos". Regrettable yes, but in no way does it justify racist remarks from a cop. How a city distributes their money is up to the governing body of that city, not "the immigrants". If you don't like it, vote for someone else.
How do you think any immigrant in Sweden could have trusted the police if he had been allowed to keep his job?
Are you excusing immigrant criminals??? They should follow the law. Period. No excuses.
. ..what? I fail to see how me condemning racism equals me excusing criminals. That's a logical fallacy right there.
Racism needs to be uprooted thoroughly from every society, I hope he gets convicted.
Excuse me? You are clearly some anti-democratic individual.. Finnish people are normally not that stuck up.
I don't support anti-democratic commies, but I support their right to express their views. That's democracy.[/quote]
See this is just pointless. You don't know me, why act like you do? All you're doing is displaying your own prejudices.
b.scheller
09-27-2005, 03:38 PM
What's with the picture of Reagan? Do we live in the Soviet Union, that we have to put pictures of past leaders?
So what, that Reagan is equaled to ending of communism, did he really do it, and if so, what was the price? Can it truely be said, that first Bush, was the one who caused the slowdown of economics, or was it the stupidity of the 80s and earlier arms race?
Im sorry but I have to call you really, really stupid. What does this have to do with criminals?
You don't just look stupid...
The police captain sent an email to the mayor saying that the city should use more resources on the elderlys and less on "criminals called Mohammed".
He sent the email saying that he was a police officer, it´s not in police protocoll to make their own laws on now to treat other people.
I have no idea what you are mumbling about... You mean "threat"? He was trying to help an elderly gentleman out and of course said nothing more than what he has been quoted on.
Police are a authority and authority that is making their own people offended and not treated equally is just the opposite of what sweden stands for.
Sweden is a country that should defend democracy, not send a highly regarded police captain to prison for using an inappropriate word in a private email. The right to freedom of speech is way more important
then if some people get offended. That's just life, some things will offend you but people still have a right to say those things.
If you like america so much you should probably move to it, because you are offending the Sweden that you live in. Get a trailor and grow hair, short on top and long on back.
You know, on this board you should probably be a little bit more careful with those comments about americans..
I love democracy and freedom of speech, you don't. You shouldn't be in this country.
That pretty much sums this up.
Your agrumentation is childish at best, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference wether or not a "98 year old gentleman was denied decent care because all the resources are used on the immigrant ghettos".
I just believe in democracy and freedom of speech, call it whatever you want.
Its sad to see that there are people with such a lack of empathy.
How do you think any immigrant in Sweden could have trusted the police if he had been allowed to keep his job?
Unless the immigrants are racists they should judge every police officer independently and also bare in mind that he was upset.
But most importantly; they should just follow the law.
. ..what? I fail to see how me condemning racism equals me excusing criminals. That's a logical fallacy right there.
If you use your head for a second you would notice that I quoted Hoyty and that my reply was aimed at him.
See this is just pointless. You don't know me, why act like you do? All you're doing is displaying your own prejudices.
You express anti-democratic views, so what do you expect?
AlisterMcRae
09-27-2005, 04:06 PM
Losing his job is justifiable because that is not the conduct of a professinal, but going to prison? People can say whatever they want about the US but I enjoy the freedom to say whatver I want without having someone wearing jackboots knock on my door and haul me away in a paddy wagon. This is probably the reason people do not want the internet to be free anymore. Rather be controlled by governments who took it upon themselves to play Mother and Father.
Zander
09-27-2005, 04:10 PM
is there freedom of speech on this american forum?
could i be banned for racism or for isulting something or someone?
Hullebullen
09-27-2005, 04:13 PM
@Zander
It's Hood's place...you play by his rules or you're out...
AlisterMcRae
09-27-2005, 04:16 PM
is there freedom of speech on this american forum?
could i be banned for racism or for isulting something or someone?
If this forum is owned by someone else and is privatized then yes because you acknowledge their rules before you joined. Kind of like you coming into my house and not obeying my rules I have every right to kick you out...
Zander
09-27-2005, 04:18 PM
i know that, i was just trying to show to thor the limit of freedom of speech...
Why? I just warned some fella about talking down on america/americans..
Do you fully support western democracy yourself?
eucalyptus
09-27-2005, 04:34 PM
Well, I see that in the dictionary of Thor only words comming after democracy is freedom of speach and calling people ******s. It´s not that you love freedom of speech, but to able to call people offencive words. Laws have been passed on the subject of discrimination, and the democratic popluation of sweden has chosen to pass it, now thats the Sweden I live in.
The police captain sent an email to the mayor saying that the city should use more resources on the elderlys and less on "criminals called Mohammed".
He drew a comb over the whole non-swedish popluation of Rosengård and called them "criminals called mohammed" meening that he saw every immigrant as a criminal. How safe would you feel be if you where a immigrant? Not only did he brake discrimination law but also as a authority figure. It has NOTHING to do with them being criminals but has to do as him seeing every non-sweden as a criminal or a potential criminal.
Don´t try to picture me as a nonamerican, if it wheren´t for the US and England I wouldn´t even be here.
Why? I just warned some fella about talking down on america/americans..
Do you fully support western democracy yourself?
Bull**** instead of an answer, as usual. the only reason why you are using a picture off Reagan is because you think you gone get some sympathies from the American members
Fudge
09-27-2005, 04:40 PM
Nearly every day, I read about a murder in the paper. Its always a Norwegian or a Dane or a Swede who committed the murder. When you read on, you'll see e.g "...the killer was of Iranian origin..." (PS: Merely an example).
Now, several of my friends are immigrants. They're great people. They actually work hard to adapt, and they have jobs. Others bring a knife to the tram and stabs a 27 year old with Downs-syndrome, of no real motive. And the Government believe he is suffering from mental illness, and sentence him to 4 weeks of psychiatric treatment. He took a life, broke others (some beyond repair), and the punishment he gets is 28 days of hugging trees. Not because he's insane, cause he wasn't, but because he was an immigrant, and punishing him in a proper way, like with everyone else, they couldn't sentence him to an amount of time in prison, because that would racism.
The above example is in fact true. It happened about 6-7 months ago. I find the governments decision to be racism. They disregarded the victims because they weren't immigrants.
Note that I'm no racist at all, unless racism is hating criminals regardless of colour, religion, culture, etc.
On subject:
I'm with Thor on this one. The e-mail is infact private. Other than the sender and the reader(s) have right to read it. This again goes under the Laws of Privacy. Obviously, the mayor has broken a law or two.
And he's right. Scandinavian Governments today focus more on helping developing countries than keeping the nation stabile. The Socialist Leftist party kept going on and on about how they were going to help other, struggling nations. They never said anything about how/where to get the funds for this, let alone anything about Norway (except free kindergarden-space for everyone. No wonder they lost...)
So generally, I think he deserves the freedom of speech.
And whats up with the "You're not worthy for Sweden, Thor" sayings? Every time he tries to discuss something, he gets **** like that thrown at him for not sharing his thoughts with certain users. Its OK to disagree, but there is no need to cuss him out for his beliefs.
Fudge
Doc12
09-27-2005, 04:52 PM
I agree that he shouldn´t go to prison for calling somebody a n*gger or whatever but he should be fired at once. That type of stupid **** only increases tension between ethnic groups and undermines the authority of the police.
Doc12
09-27-2005, 04:58 PM
Actually, letters adressed to government officials are public. Thus, no laws were broken.
uhramechi
09-27-2005, 05:01 PM
thatis the democracy of the left fired people of their job only because dont talk in politically correct way
the left is sicknes than impose a moral way of thinking if anyone is agaisnt o that values is a intolerant and facist criminal, that is the hipocrisy of the left
Doc12
09-27-2005, 05:03 PM
thatis the democracy of the left fired people of their job only because dont talk in politically correct way
the left is sicknes than impose a moral way of thinking if anyone is agaisnt o that values is a intolerant and facist criminal, that is the hipocrisy of the left
say what?
Well, I see that in the dictionary of Thor only words comming after democracy is freedom of speach and calling people ******s. It´s not that you love freedom of speech, but to able to call people offencive words. Laws have been passed on the subject of discrimination, and the democratic popluation of sweden has chosen to pass it, now thats the Sweden I live in.
The only people that have been using the two n-words here are you and your friend Luno.. I think the two of you should reflect a bit over why that is.
I love democracy and I love freedom of speech. I don't agree with you at all, but I'd put my life at risk defending your right to say it.
You on the other hand insult people and more importantly want to send them to prison for thinking and expressing their views.
The problem is that any laws that are unconstitutional should be deemed illegal by a constitutional court (författningsdomstol) like in all civilised countries. We don't have that. The only reason the ruling party here is able to pass this illegal law through parliament is because it's legitimacy isn't tried in a court of law.
And secondly, this law would of course never stand a refferendum since it has no popular support, it's just a law constructed by the political class.
He drew a comb over the whole non-swedish popluation of Rosengård and called them "criminals called mohammed" meening that he saw every immigrant as a criminal.
He drew their hair...?
I think a police captain knows what he's talking about, don't you think? He was simply saying that resources that was directed to criminal immigrants should instead be directed to law obiding elderlys.
Why? I just warned some fella about talking down on america/americans..
Do you fully support western democracy yourself?
Bull**** instead of an answer, as usual. the only reason why you are using a picture off Reagan is because you think you gone get some sympathies from the American members
Say what? You can't be for real. In your world of trailers and druggies people don't support men like Reagan. But when you hang around with normal people you'll notice that a lot of decent guys do.
For any references regarding my pro-reaganism just check my previous posts.
eucalyptus
09-27-2005, 05:24 PM
You know so much about me, I dont even know why I post. I never said I would want to send him to jail, did I? Im for free speach, but Im against the kind that discriminates people.
Draw a comb = figure of speach, common in sweden.
So my last question to you is. I would wanna live in a Racist free country where people can live togather in peace and have a police that doesn´t offend either immigrants nor natives, don´t you?
askDNA
09-27-2005, 06:05 PM
the only reason why you are using a picture off Reagan is because you think you gone get some sympathies from the American members
rofl rofl
:cantbeli:
bloddyaxe
09-27-2005, 06:37 PM
For some reason I'm not surprised this is happening in Sweden... p-)
Kaapeli
09-27-2005, 08:32 PM
I don't see the actual connection with an elderly man not getting his care and immigration.
But I do see a problem with immigration and them immigrants slumming. Anyway, don't mention it in the media cause you're a racist if you do.
kinghk
09-27-2005, 08:45 PM
I don't see the actual connection with an elderly man not getting his care and immigration.
The police officer claimed that care for the elderly was reduced because the funding went to support welfare for immigrants.
I don't see the actual connection with an elderly man not getting his care and immigration.
But I do see a problem with immigration and them immigrants slumming. Anyway, don't mention it in the media cause you're a racist if you do.
No, that's just common sense. If you put a bunch of people from a different culture into one area and make them feel unwelcomed, ofcourse you're gonna have trouble.
Taekwondo
09-28-2005, 03:11 AM
joka,
look at the amount of foreigners that have immigrated into Sweden since the seventies, does it look like they've been unwelcomed?
Most of the racism-hysteria is overblown, IMHO.
khukuri
09-28-2005, 08:15 AM
He shouldnt be thrown to jail but fired. I would be offended by the term blatte. Unless a friend would say it like a joke, which wasnt the case.
If the guy wants to complain about immigration hes welcome, but thats not all he did. He was a racist and you cant have a cop like that.
Having experience of Rosengård I can understand his feelings. Most crime in Malmö is commited by immigrants or 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants.
People are not put i Rosengård, they want to live there, they can build their parallel society there and no one can do anything about it. that is what they want.
The problem with Sweden is political correctness, people that see reality everyday cant speak of it cause well... I know several police officers in Malmö and one should here what they have to say, amongst them they are totally convinced that we "soon" (20-30) years will have a muslim-controlled Malmö and that is not a positive thing...
The police as I see it is a realist, he calls it as he sees it. He should have used other words I think, but still he should be encouraged to tell the truth. Not be put in jail...
/ Time will tell
joka,
look at the amount of foreigners that have immigrated into Sweden since the seventies, does it look like they've been unwelcomed?
Most of the racism-hysteria is overblown, IMHO.
It was not a general comment wether or not immigrants have been welcomed and integrated into Sweden, because most of them have. I think Sweden is a exemplary country in most matters regarding immigration policy, and Finland could learn a whole lot from the Swedes. Rosengård being an exception.
Sorry if I came off wrong. :)
kinghk
09-28-2005, 04:26 PM
I think Sweden is a exemplary country in most matters regarding immigration policy, and Finland could learn a whole lot from the Swedes.
Interesting. What have Sweden done right regarding their immigration policy?
Fudge
09-28-2005, 05:48 PM
Sweden had to change their anthem for the immigrants.
Instead of "Jag vil leva, jag vil dö i Sverige" (I want to live, I want to die in Sweden), they had to change it to "Jag vil leva, jag vil dö i Norden"(I want to live, I want to die in the North).
Supposedly, it was politically incorrect.
Doc12
09-28-2005, 06:04 PM
Sweden had to change their anthem for the immigrants.
Instead of "Jag vil leva, jag vil dö i Sverige" (I want to live, I want to die in Sweden), they had to change it to "Jag vil leva, jag vil dö i Norden"(I want to live, I want to die in the North).
Supposedly, it was politically incorrect.
Let´s stick to the truth here, shall we? I don´t know where you got that from.
Fudge
What? It have always been “jag vil dö i Norden” (I want to die in the North)
Bull****! The anthem was made in the begining of 20th century during a period of Scandianism (alot of ppl wanted all scandinavian countries to be like one) .
Not really it was written in 1844.
It was somewhat revised in 1845 and two more verses were added later on.
The "vill dö norden" was more a display of what our amibtions were back then.
So our norwegian friend got it a little bit wrong there.. But it's true that Sweden has turned into a political ****hole. Denmark, Norway, Iceland and Finland are much more sane countries.
Not really it was written in 1844.
It was somewhat revised in 1845 and two more verses were added later on.
The "vill dö norden" was more a display of what our amibtions were back then.
So our norwegian friend got it a little bit wrong there.. But it's true that Sweden has turned into a political ****hole. Denmark, Norway, Iceland and Finland are much more sane countries.
Thor, stop your racist/nazi propaganda. In almost every post of yours, you have indicated your political stand. "Conservative" is just a cover, you are an idiot, calling everyone who do not agree with you for communists to the point of it getting childish.
I wonder when you will make a mistake and write down your true political stand, guess what, that day will be the same day you will get banned from this site.
:bash:
Be nice, have a cookie
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v507/kydem/tv/cookie.jpg
Well, here everybody says Neger, its just normal, ****** is insulting, neger isnt!
(at least where I am from)
No i don't think in Würzburg you all say Neger. Where i live it's a racial slur, and don't say it's not in franken.
caridon
09-29-2005, 08:06 AM
Sweden had to change their anthem for the immigrants.
Instead of "Jag vil leva, jag vil dö i Sverige" (I want to live, I want to die in Sweden), they had to change it to "Jag vil leva, jag vil dö i Norden"(I want to live, I want to die in the North).
Supposedly, it was politically incorrect.
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du_gamla%2C_du_fria
(sorry swedish, but you can se that the original is "Ja, jag vill leva jag vill dö i Norden")
Try to lie a bit less will you. the lyrics have NOT been changed.
/C
Hey Einstein, we already cleared that out several times one page ago.
Not really it was written in 1844.
It was somewhat revised in 1845 and two more verses were added later on.
The "vill dö norden" was more a display of what our amibtions were back then.
So our norwegian friend got it a little bit wrong there.. But it's true that Sweden has turned into a political ****hole. Denmark, Norway, Iceland and Finland are much more sane countries.
Fudge
10-05-2005, 01:46 PM
Try to lie a bit less will you.
OK, I got it wrong. My bad.
But cool the **** down, will you? Because I made one mistake, you start calling me a liar. Go hide for next ten years, please.
I love how everybody starts cussing out conservatives because they don't share the same views as socialists. And people speak of maturity...
Fudge
caridon
10-05-2005, 04:14 PM
Try to lie a bit less will you.
OK, I got it wrong. My bad.
But cool the f*** down, will you? Because I made one mistake, you start calling me a liar. Go hide for next ten years, please.
I love how everybody starts cussing out conservatives because they don't share the same views as socialists. And people speak of maturity...
Fudge
sorry for the harsh words but it is this type of "misstakes" that turn into "facts" after a few rounds of retelling. and the only thing this does is creates devides between imigrants and others.
Also the truth took me all of 3 minutes to verify, so i concluded that you were either extremly lazy or purposely spreading BS to make imigrants look bad (it's not the first time that has happend.)
I dont give a flying f**k if you are socialist, comunist, fashist, conservative, born again budist or pray to the flying spagheti monster, i care about geting things right.
/C - now less of a porcupine. :)
Caridon, I believe you're the slowest user ever.
Your idiotic comment came after a number of people already had corrected this information (in a more politeful manner).
No one needs to talk down on immigrants, they are responsible for their own reputation. And I'm sure a lot of them would rather not have some tiny dork like you defending "them".
I use quotes because there are really no such entity as "immigrants". People are different, some come here only to perpetrate crimes and live on welfare, others come because they want to work hard and live honest lives.
caridon
10-11-2005, 03:56 PM
update
He was freed on a tecnicality.
The court could not prove that the policeman understood that the e-mails would become public. (a prerequisite for convition)
So he got off.
link in swedish use the fish or other for amusing translation.
http://sydsvenskan.se/malmo/article122720.ece
/C
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