The Dark Ages come to Denmark in broad daylight

[Jeremiah]

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/3050/denmarkhonorkilling0923055ad.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


The Dark Ages come to Denmark in broad daylight, as a Pakistani man murders his sister in a public street

Calmly and methodically, big brother stoops over his little sister while shooting one projectile after the other into her. Her spouse, affected by several shots to the abdomen, can only look on helplessly, while his wife is executed by her own family.

Many members of the Pakistani community were shocked over the weekend to hear reports that a 29-year-old Pakistani man was apprehended on Saturday, accused of shooting his 19-year-old sister and her Afghan husband on Friday. The sister died shortly after from her gunshot wounds.

‘We will try to find imams and other prominent people to get a discussion about this cultural phenomenon, which is not a religious practice in any way,’ said Nazir.

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/

[catalyst]

culture......

not bad or worse/good or bad - just different

[Lazy Lob]

culture......

not bad or worse/good or bad - just different Of course, just diffrent :cantbeli:

[khukuri]

Not entirely culture. Its alot more complicated than that.

If I would make it easy I would say: its a desperate way for men with no power to keep their power and their influance on their family daughters etc etc ... generally happens when poeple move to another countrie were there instruments doesnt work. Of course totally unacceptable.

Saying its culture almost mean its an acceptable thing in the culture, which is not the case! its a part of their soceity, just like other things are a part of the western soceity without beeing accepted.

Another thing that irritates me is that if a moslem man or arab kills a relative woman the press says: kurdish or, moslem etc but if a danish does the same it just stands mental man killed etc etc... nobody would type christian guy ..

[Herrmannek]

And someone wanted to void death penalty inEurope... all that freeks should hang on the nearest tree...

[achilles]

Calmly and methodically, big brother stoops over his little sister while shooting one projectile after the other into her. Her spouse, affected by several shots to the abdomen, can only look on helplessly, while his wife is executed by her own family.

How are we all so sure that this guys is not mentally ill? If he is, all this talk about inferior/superior cultures/religions is just void.

Could he be another lunatic who happens to be from Pakistan?

[moughoun]

culture......

not bad or worse/good or bad - just different

ehh.....no.........murder is murder, if it wasn't I right now would be allowed to cut people's head's off, as was my Celtic ancestor's "culture" p-)





where's my constitutional right to decapitate my enemies? :(

[sickofpretenders]

culture......

not bad or worse/good or bad - just different

You have got to be kidding! So you think its OK for a guy to kill someone on the street like that in one of the worlds most socially advanced countries? Or for a muslim man to stone a girl to death for 'allowing' herself to be raped by a relative because its culture in the middle east?

Why is it when someone in America murders someone with a gun europe gets up in arms saying 'they need to fix the gun laws......' and no one says 'hey its their culture to carry guns' but when some Arab rapes a couple small boys and his donkey and then stones his sister to death everyone says. Thats OK, its his culture. Not bad, just different

Well I for one am getting a little sick of the tolerance, especially when murdering and rape gets imported to my country. Over 30 lebanese muslim guys pack raped an Aussie chick in sydney and said it was because 'she was white'!. In Denmark, the country the incident above happened in, a 4% muslim minority accounts for over 70% of the rapes. There are similar statistics for most western countries. But hey, its just their culture and we should respect that. Like allowing muslim women to pose for their drivers license photo with their veil on because we wouldnt want to offend their culture. Never mind the laws of the country they decided to immigrate to.

[catalyst]

I never said it was ok.....just that the culture seems to allow such a act.

I personally believe if it is illegal he should get tried to the very letter of the law....

So are you saying SOP when you go to Iraq, you follow every law that the government has layed down?

[sickofpretenders]

So are you saying SOP when you go to Iraq, you follow every law that the government has layed down?

The situation in Iraq is such that PSD are not subject to local laws in the same way. Just like the army is not.

But yes I follow the laws that are applicable and I do my best to respect the culture. I dont display ****, wear shorts outside the wire, wave with my left hand etc etc. The same goes for any country I am in, and for the record, as an Australian I have never robbed or killed anyone despite the fact I could say 'hey its my culture, my country was founded by criminals'

[catalyst]

so the comments you (pretty sure it was you) made regarding carrying non-registed firearms is not breaking the law?

Not saying it is right...i break the law here all the time.....

[khukuri]

whatever delete this post

[sickofpretenders]

Catalyst? what are you talking about? I have never spoken of weapons permits.

Lenin. Is that it? You read my post all you take from it is one small section and then ask if thats why I went to Iraq, to kill 'sand******s'? Well the answer is no. That is not the reason I decided to go to Iraq.

[khukuri]

Catalyst? what are you talking about? I have never spoken of weapons permits.

Lenin. Is that it? You read my post all you take from it is one small section and then ask if thats why I went to Iraq, to kill 'sand******s'? Well the answer is no. That is not the reason I decided to go to Iraq.

sorry. But when you wrote like that I started to wonder...

[Laworkerbee]

culture......

not bad or worse/good or bad - just different

Sorry going to have to dust with one off again from Ralph Peters

What of all that self-hobbling rhetoric about the moral equivalency of all cultures? Isn't it possible that a culture (or religion or form of government) that provides a functional combination of individual and collective security with personal liberties really does deserve to be taken more seriously than and emulated above a culture that glorifies corruption, persecutes nonbelievers, lets gunmen rule, and enslaves its women? Is all human life truly sacred, no matter what crimes the individual or his collective may commit?

because it fits this discussion well

[Vintendo]

This is plain wrong. Sure Cultrues are different but that is no excuse. You know Cultures DO CHANGE. hopefully for the better but not always unfortunately. I can safely say Muslim society treats women worse than any other culture I know.

[DE_Six]

Not entirely culture. Its alot more complicated than that.

If I would make it easy I would say: its a desperate way for men with no power to keep their power and their influance on their family daughters etc etc ... generally happens when poeple move to another countrie were there instruments doesnt work. Of course totally unacceptable.



I understand and agree with your point. Many traditional cultures find western societies a difficult environment to maintain certain traditions in. The social control is much less a factor, when it's not inexistant, and temptations abound. That said, if they don't like it, they can stay where they came from.

However, I'd point out that this is not an exceptional cultural behavior, and that the Pakistani community is shocked shows that they don't remember (or don't want to) what it is like in Pakistan.
thousands of victims each year
So-called "honor crimes" (for various motives, such as the case of a rape victim that speaks out, or an adulterous wife that brought "dishonor" to her family) are common is certain regions of Pakistan, making thousands of victims each year (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/02/0212_020212_honorkilling.html).

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/engASA330181999

Such crimes include murder, disfigurement with acid, public beatings, even collective rapes (http://www.samarmagazine.org/archive/article.php?id=196).


Mukhtar Mai was gang-raped on orders of a tribal court and then paraded naked in town.

I wouldn't go as far as saying this is a religious issue, but it is definitely a cultural issue, not simply an anomaly.

And they better sort it out, because liberal democracies don't have to tolerate that kind of sh*t.

Fvckin small-**** coward. I hope he rots in hell.

[dangerclose]

culture......

not bad or worse/good or bad - just different

If your child had a life-threatening illness would you take him or her to an M.D. at a university hospital or to a witch doctor in Papau New Guinea?

culture .. not bad or worse/good or bad - just different.

[Belrick]

Yep, if you label it just different then move yourself and your entire family to the joyful nations of iran, somalia, zimbabwe and indonesia. After all we all like to experience different things...

Western culture is severely underated by pc enforcers.

[joe mama]

Yep, if you label it just different then move yourself and your entire family to the joyful nations of iran, somalia, zimbabwe and indonesia. After all we all like to experience different things...

Western culture is severely underated by pc enforcers.

Hey Belrick! We agree on something! Don't worry, that doesn't mean I'll turn you into a gun nut...I'll leave that to Geezah!
;)

[Lazy Lob]

culture......

not bad or worse/good or bad - just different

If your child had a life-threatening illness would you take him or her to an M.D. at a university hospital or to a witch doctor in Papau New Guinea?

culture .. not bad or worse/good or bad - just different.

****e! You have a comfy life and a lot of time on your hands.

[Freibier]

Same thing happened in Germany a few months ago.
The Murderers were turkish brothers, shot their sister in the head because "She lived and dressed like a german" :|
They'll both get life sentence hopefully and I hope that the other folks in jail cut their balls off

[Laworkerbee]

Same thing happened in Germany a few months ago.
The Murderers were turkish brothers, shot their sister in the head because "She lived and dressed like a german" :|
They'll both get life sentence hopefully and I hope that the other folks in jail cut their balls off

Its real hard for me to understand that kind of mentality...unthinkable really to kill your sister and be celebrated for it.

Seeing women as property is where this comes from I believe

[Kontra1]

They'll both get life sentence hopefully and I hope that the other folks in jail cut their balls off

I hope so too...and I hope they ****ing hang them afterwards :fork:

but I'm sure when a jealous german husband kills her wife for screwing around with other guys, you don't even hear about it in the media...cuz that's a "family tragedy" and it should be kept private and sacret ;)

Kontra1

[Kitsune]

Has a certain Sheakespeare quote from Hamlet already appeared in this thread or have I to do it?

p-)










That quote follows Denmark like forgetfulness follows this state in Eastern Europe...you know which I mean...the one just behind of Germany...what's its name...ah, doesn't matter...

[Thor]

If I would make it easy I would say: its a desperate way for men with no power to keep their power and their influance on their family daughters etc etc ... generally happens when poeple move to another countrie were there instruments doesnt work. Of course totally unacceptable.
You're wrong, honour killings are common in their countries not just among immigrants here.



Another thing that irritates me is that if a moslem man or arab kills a relative woman the press says: kurdish or, moslem etc but if a danish does the same it just stands mental man killed etc etc... nobody would type christian guy ..
That's of course not the case here, the press constantly hides ethnic and religious origin of criminals.

Why don't you think the press would say if it was a christian guy? Because we live in secular societies.

[AlisterMcRae]

Doesn't matter what culture your come from, "do not murder" is a principle which everyone can embrace. :roll:

[Catch22]

Kitsune, don't you dare forget us! ;)

And just to think we lose it to Norges in "Hamlet"...

[catalyst]

Yep, if you label it just different then move yourself and your entire family to the joyful nations of iran, somalia, zimbabwe and indonesia. After all we all like to experience different things...

Western culture is severely underated by pc enforcers.

I myself live in China and often women are treated shockingly poor here! I am also engaged to a Chinese girl, so I understand the effects of culture on lifestyle choices!

[Freibier]

They'll both get life sentence hopefully and I hope that the other folks in jail cut their balls off

I hope so too...and I hope they f*** hang them afterwards :fork:

but I'm sure when a jealous german husband kills her wife for screwing around with other guys, you don't even hear about it in the media...cuz that's a "family tragedy" and it should be kept private and sacret ;)

Kontra1
Rest assured, it'll be all over the news.
It just doesn't happen that often because we're a little more civilized than the average turk, who considers honor killings "normal" ;)

[Kontra1]

They'll both get life sentence hopefully and I hope that the other folks in jail cut their balls off

I hope so too...and I hope they f*** hang them afterwards :fork:

but I'm sure when a jealous german husband kills her wife for screwing around with other guys, you don't even hear about it in the media...cuz that's a "family tragedy" and it should be kept private and sacret ;)

Kontra1
Rest assured, it'll be all over the news.
It just doesn't happen that often because we're a little more civilized than the average turk, who considers honor killings "normal" ;)

"Civilized" Haha..then tell us about that german who went around in the streets with the head of the person he killed?

Don't gimme any excuses as"he was mentally disturbed" then I'd say "so are the honor killers" cuz they must be for doing such thing.

Kontra1

[Doc12]

These people apparently hate the country that saved them from persecution, starvation, war etc, and its ideals so much that they are willing to kill their own sisters or daughters for embracing the lifestyle of this nation...

[Freibier]

They'll both get life sentence hopefully and I hope that the other folks in jail cut their balls off

I hope so too...and I hope they f*** hang them afterwards :fork:

but I'm sure when a jealous german husband kills her wife for screwing around with other guys, you don't even hear about it in the media...cuz that's a "family tragedy" and it should be kept private and sacret ;)

Kontra1
Rest assured, it'll be all over the news.
It just doesn't happen that often because we're a little more civilized than the average turk, who considers honor killings "normal" ;)

"Civilized" Haha..then tell us about that german who went around in the streets with the head of the person he killed?

Don't gimme any excuses as"he was mentally disturbed" then I'd say "so are the honor killers" cuz they must be for doing such thing.

Kontra1
Truth hurts huh? :lol:

[Umm-Qasr]

They'll both get life sentence hopefully and I hope that the other folks in jail cut their balls off

I hope so too...and I hope they f*** hang them afterwards :fork:

but I'm sure when a jealous german husband kills her wife for screwing around with other guys, you don't even hear about it in the media...cuz that's a "family tragedy" and it should be kept private and sacret ;)

Kontra1
Rest assured, it'll be all over the news.
It just doesn't happen that often because we're a little more civilized than the average turk, who considers honor killings "normal" ;)

"Civilized" Haha..then tell us about that german who went around in the streets with the head of the person he killed?

Don't gimme any excuses as"he was mentally disturbed" then I'd say "so are the honor killers" cuz they must be for doing such thing.

Kontra1Or the kannibal who first cooked the ***** of his victim and then ate it. Or Dutroux in Belgium. Or the mass-prosecution of 60 people in France suspected of child abuse ... crayz ****s everywhere!! Besides, the ones who do these honor killings are almost always Kurds who are portrayed as Turks in the media ...

[Doc12]

That´s not a valid comparison and you know it. Cooking a guy´s balls has no cultural motive.
Oppression and violence against women is an integral part of islamic and middle eastern culture.

[Freibier]

The difference is that those honour killings are widespread and there is little opposition to it in certain societies ...
Cruel crimes happen everywhere, but if they happen here, people are shocked and disgusted. If honor killings happen in certain societies the people cheer ..
But Umm-Qasr is right that they mostly happen in the kurdish south east of turkey.
Just some links on the subject:
http://www.soas.ac.uk/honourcrimes/
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/engACT400012001
http://www.iifhr.com/womens%20website/ppaperhonor_killing.html
http://www.arabwomenconnect.org/docs/ASRO_HR_violence.pdf
http://www.nadir.org/nadir/initiativ/kurdi-almani-kassel/aktuell/2004/jan2004/ehrenmorde.htm

[Thor]

Go back a 100 years in time in european countries.. No honour killings perhaps, but just 80 years ago women here weren't allowed to vote and I believe only a few years before that they had no own saying (their father or their husband were in charge) and they had limited right to inherit their parents.

The "western style" culture we live in today is pretty new.

[Belrick]

Yep, if you label it just different then move yourself and your entire family to the joyful nations of iran, somalia, zimbabwe and indonesia. After all we all like to experience different things...

Western culture is severely underated by pc enforcers.

Hey Belrick! We agree on something! Don't worry, that doesn't mean I'll turn you into a gun nut...I'll leave that to Geezah!
;)

I have a firearms licence, spent many happy hours as a teen too popping off possums and rabbits at a mates farm. Was also a member of a gun club and experienced the joy of shooting a steyr full auto when we won a contest vs navy recruits.
Sigh, good times.

[sickofpretenders]

Go back a 100 years in time in european countries.. No honour killings perhaps, but just 80 years ago women here weren't allowed to vote and I believe only a few years before that they had no own saying (their father or their husband were in charge) and they had limited right to inherit their parents.

The "western style" culture we live in today is pretty new.'

That is very true. It was only 30 years ago that australia reclassified aborigonals as humans. Before that they were 'flora and fauna' Every couple of years someone shows up with a still valid hunting liscense for them and hands it in. Despite that our society has progressed forward at all times and even when he conducted hangings regularly and women could not vote we didnt cover them up and stone them to death. There was always the structure for society to develop within.

Some middle eastern countries are not only not moving forwards, they are moving backwards and let me assure you that life in norway 100 years ago for a woman would have been a lot more pleasant than afghanistan today.

[PeterRJG]

Truth hurts huh? :lol:

Truth is that the Germans are among the last people in Europe to make judgements upon who and what is civilised. German history has a lot more blood on its hands than Pakistani history.

[Freibier]

Truth hurts huh? :lol:

Truth is that the Germans are among the last people in Europe to make judgements upon who and what is civilised. German history has a lot more blood on its hands than Pakistani history.
Not the last 60 years
And especially as australian, read the post above you

[Mr. Nielsen]

Truth hurts huh? :lol:

Truth is that the Germans are among the last people in Europe to make judgements upon who and what is civilised. German history has a lot more blood on its hands than Pakistani history.

Granted, the germans has a history of making war, but...
to quetion modern day germany, I find very much out of place.

Since the end of ww2 the germans have been a pillar of stability and democracy in europe. Fully respecting it's neighbours and promoting respect for international law.

[PeterRJG]

Truth hurts huh? :lol:

Truth is that the Germans are among the last people in Europe to make judgements upon who and what is civilised. German history has a lot more blood on its hands than Pakistani history.
Not the last 60 years
And especially as australian, read the post above you

I did read the post above mine and it's a load of ****. I can't say it any better than that.

[PeterRJG]

That is very true. It was only 30 years ago that australia reclassified aborigonals as humans. Before that they were 'flora and fauna' Every couple of years someone shows up with a still valid hunting liscense for them and hands it in.

Your source for this amazing piece of bull****, please? Especially the hunting license fable? Quote a real and reputable source too please, not the Green Party website or some such. That's the most amazing piece of bilge bull**** I've read about my country for some time. Trouble is, the Europeans who read it will probably believe it.

Aboriginals were allowed to be citizens as of 1947, more than your alleged 30 years ago. ALL Australians became citizens then, prior to that, they were British subjects, Aboriginals and everybody else.

The Constitution of Australia (1900) referred to them as Aboriginals, not flora and fauna. Sections of the Constitution were repealed by referendum, specifically those disallowing them to be counted in censuses and the provision that special laws be made for them. After 1967, they were treated like any other Australia as far as that was concerned.

No law in Australia ever classified Aboriginals as anything other than human. Special humans exempt from census counting, votes and a few other things, but humans nonetheless.

It was never legal to hunt Aboriginal people for sport or for the sake of hunting, so your license theory is unmitigated trash. White settlers could and did, defend their places from Aboriginal attack, as well as mining leases etc. I won't say it was right or wrong to do that, that's another story for another day. But it was murder to kill an Aboriginal just like it was anybody else, and early records are rife with incidents of men being hanged for killing Aboriginal people. Sure, a lot got away with it, but it was never lawful to indiscriminately hunt them.

So, out with your source please.

[Para]

The problem is that they these people feel that they can carry on just like they did back home. If a woman member of their family steps out of line or what they think is out of line then they may kill her. This is perfectly acceptable back home where life is cheap and womans life is even cheaper. There have been a number of these killings in Britain over the years and same excuse is used all the time, it is there way. I must say what gets up my nose is that they want come over here for a better life yet bring with them the rules and conditions that made them want to leave there own country in the first place. Now if we stopped them coming into the country until they understood rules and the language then we might be getting some where.

[oldsoak]

The problem is that they these people feel that they can carry on just like they did back home. If a woman member of their family steps out of line or what they think is out of line then they may kill her. This is perfectly acceptable back home where life is cheap and womans life is even cheaper. There have been a number of these killings in Britain over the years and same excuse is used all the time, it is there way. I must say what gets up my nose is that they want come over here for a better life yet bring with them the rules and conditions that made them want to leave there own country in the first place. Now if we stopped them coming into the country until they understood rules and the language then we might be getting some where.

Tolerance in the UK can mean turning a blind eye, and it often does by those who dont want to upset the marginal vote.

[sickofpretenders]

Johnnycab: you are gonna have to wait 3 days for that. I am going away for the weekend and dont have time.

The license thing I have read about twice in WA and TAS in the paper and the flora and fauna was on discovery channel.

[PeterRJG]

Johnnycab: you are gonna have to wait 3 days for that. I am going away for the weekend and dont have time.

The license thing I have read about twice in WA and TAS in the paper and the flora and fauna was on discovery channel.

ROFL. On Discovery Channel? Please...

[martinexsquaddie]

australian and culture in the same sentance rofl

[Lokos]

t was only 30 years ago that australia reclassified aborigonals as humans. Before that they were 'flora and fauna' Every couple of years someone shows up with a still valid hunting liscense for them and hands it in.

LOL.

The indigenous population of Australia has had the same rights and liberties as white Australians since the mid-1960's. Prior to that, the policy in place was one of 'assimilation', wherein Aboriginal identity was to be deconstructed and replaced with a white one over several generations (an example of this policy is the so-called 'Stolen Generation' debacle).

At no time was the indigenous population considered to be 'flora and fauna'. Granted, the British legal policy of terra nullius wasn't flattering to the Aboriginals, but neither did it at any point suggest that they were anything other than human.

If the Discovery Channel truly fielded that nonsense, I am extremely surprised that they are not bankrupt, following the dozens of class action and major civil litigations that would surely have followed such despicable twisting of history.

Lokos

[Lokos]

australian and culture in the same sentance ROFL

Is that supposed to be funny, champ?

Lokos

[PeterRJG]

australian and culture in the same sentance rofl

It's "sentence" you misbegotten twit.

[Flukeman]

This murder shows just how much respect for the values and laws muslims have in other non muslim countries.

I no longer have any respect for Islam and those who follow it.

[sickofpretenders]

australian and culture in the same sentance rofl

Have you ever posted anything other than stupid inflammatory cracks about Australians and Americans?

Well johnny and lokos, I have searched and all I can find is some references to permits issues to land owners allowing them to defend their land from aborigonal tresspass. As I would rather be wrong than spend hours finding the article I will say I am wrong. The flora and fauna thing, well i screwed up quoting discovery. They got the vote in '67 but the more I research the more it seems some states treated them like citizens even before that. However if you read David Marr yes they were treated like animals up to 30 years ago but if you read Keith Windshuttle it was all OK and they were treated fine. This simple fact is there were Aborigonals in Tasmania before we killed them all, but as a society we have progressed forward steadily and now do not condone the type of acitivities accepted in some other countries, for example honour killings.

[b.scheller]

Every state, has a culture of their own. That does not mean, that every state has it's own unique culture, but it could be a mix of many. Such as Canada, where the predominant political culture is a mix of British-French, while socio-culture is a mix of everything, with strong dominance of America.

Australia, certainly has a culture, although it may not be comparable to let's say that of a European country, but it certainly is unique within itself.

[RGRBOX]

This is the major problem of today... we are too tolerant with foreigners that come into our countries that refuse to adapt to our culture and our laws... it's not our responsiblity to make our laws and culture adapt to them... if these people can't adapt, then they should be sent back... We are too tolerant... we are killing ourselves, and our culture ... these people know this and they feed from it...

[Lokos]

However if you read David Marr yes they were treated like animals up to 30 years ago but if you read Keith Windshuttle it was all OK and they were treated fine.

No question that there were massive abuses of Aboriginal rights in early Australian history. No question at all. But we moved on as a nation and as a people long ago. Discovery Channel should still be destroyed for its lack of professionalism in research and documentation of fact.

Lokos

[PeterRJG]

This is the major problem of today... we are too tolerant with foreigners that come into our countries that refuse to adapt to our culture and our laws... it's not our responsiblity to make our laws and culture adapt to them... if these people can't adapt, then they should be sent back... We are too tolerant... we are killing ourselves, and our culture ... these people know this and they feed from it...

You are right, of course, but that sentiment is a no-no in this PC age, I'm afraid, especially here in Australia where we are told to celebrate diversity, even if said diversity has no interest in celebrating us.

[toki]

Calmly and methodically, big brother stoops over his little sister while shooting one projectile after the other into her. Her spouse, affected by several shots to the abdomen, can only look on helplessly, while his wife is executed by her own family.

How are we all so sure that this guys is not mentally ill? If he is, all this talk about inferior/superior cultures/religions is just void.

Could he be another lunatic who happens to be from Pakistan?

We had many cases like this in germany. The source (sorry german
http://www.zeit.de/2005/09/Hatin_S_9fr_9fc_9f_09) says that this happened in Berlin alone at least 5 times in the last months. They're called "Ehrenmorde" ("Murder out of honour"). Just recently a turkish teenager shot his sister in Berlin point blank on a public place. He wasn't mentally ill. The girl had chosen to have a 'german' lifestyle and had a german boyfriend. She refused to marry a turkish men.