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EvanL
01-28-2004, 06:36 PM
Sadness grips a pretty little town


By SHAWNA RICHER AND ERIN ANDERSSEN
With a report from Kevin Cox and Canadian Press


UPDATED AT 6:31 PM EST Wednesday, Jan. 28, 2004




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CONCEPTION HARBOUR, NFLD. and OTTAWA -- Norman and Alice Murphy were deep in sleep when the tragedy of a war that won't end in Afghanistan arrived on their doorstep.

A military chaplain and a parish priest, Michael Barker, whom they know well, knocked shortly before daybreak to say their son, Corporal Jamie Brendan Murphy, 26, had been killed in Kabul.

The bomb injured Cpl. Richard Newman, 23, of Hartland, N.B., Cpl. Jeremy MacDonald, 30, of Burnt Islands, Nfld., and Lieutenant Jason Feyko of Peterborough, Ont. They were listed in stable condition.

"They told me that Jamie was dead, he was killed," a tearful Alice Murphy told the CBC yesterday.

He was to return to Petawawa, Ont., early next month, and planned to move into a new house there with his girlfriend.

There is a sadness in this pretty place of 900, once a bustling fishing community, that comes with the harshness of winter. Most of the afternoon, a storm approached, but for a moment the sun found a sliver of blue sky and shone on the village.

"This is a difficult day," said Father Barker, who will conduct the funeral mass later this week and spent the day with the family.

Cpl. Murphy was raised in this house and his dad was too. His siblings -- John, 43, Rosemary, 40, and Norma, 30, made a close family.

Mr. Murphy was 19 when he joined the military. By all accounts, he loved it; its physical demands, its purpose. He served on a peacekeeping mission in Kosovo. But his parents worried.

On the southern shore of Newfoundland, snowplow operator Gerald MacDonald was just finishing a shift of clearing roads when his wife telephoned him with the news that their son Cpl. Jeremy MacDonald had been injured.

"She told me he was all right and what happened really didn't hit me until later. It's devastating."When he finally got home, he learned that his wife had spoken to their son and he had suffered some cuts from the bomb blast but was walking around the Kabul hospital.

In Hartland, N.B., Cathy Newman said the phone rang at 3 a.m. "My heart dropped," she said. "I haven't been to sleep since."

Cpl. Newman underwent surgery to remove shrapnel from his shoulder, but his wounds were not life-threatening.

Born in Fredericton, Cpl. Newman had signed up when he was 19 years old, following his father who had been a corporal in the Royal Canadian Regiment, and brushing off his parents' warning that "it would not be all fun and games." He had been posted to Petawawa immediately, living on the base with his fiancée

Outside Peterborough, Ont., Lieutenant Jason Feyko's father, Mike, had also received an early morning telephone call. He was told his son's injuries were not critical.

"He loved his job," said his father. "And he was very proud of the job his men were doing over there." Ms. Newman said she was relieved when military officials confirmed that her son would survive.

"All they told us [was] it wasn't life-threatening," she said from her home. Later, Cpl. Newman's father, Richard, said surgery on his son's injured shoulder was successful.






Killed, with just a week to serve


BRUCE CAMPION-SMITH
OTTAWA BUREAU

OTTAWA—As he left the safety of the Canadian camp for the dangerous streets of Kabul, Cpl. Jamie Murphy could take heart.

Next week, the 26-year-old soldier would be back in Canada after a six-month tour in Afghanistan, to the relief of his family in Newfoundland and his common-law wife Candice McCauley in Petawawa.

Indeed, the six soldiers who headed out on morning patrol, members of the 3rd Battalion of the Royal Canadian Regiment, were all counting down their final days in Kabul.

Their two-jeep patrol was just a kilometre from Camp Julien — home to almost 2,000 Canadian troops — when a man jumped on one of the lightly armoured jeeps and detonated a bomb strapped to his chest.

Murphy, of Conception Harbour, Nfld., was killed instantly and three fellow soldiers were wounded in the attack, which occurred around 8:25 a.m. yesterday in Kabul (10:55 p.m. Monday in Toronto). The Taliban claimed responsibility.

Lieut. Jason Feyko, 30, of Peterborough, was transported to the University of Bonn medical centre in Germany for treatment of serious but non-life-threatening injuries.

Cpl. Richard Michael Newman, 24, of Hartland, N.B., and Cpl. Jeremy Gerald MacDonald, 30, of Burnt Islands, Nfld., were treated for shrapnel injuries in Kabul.

The blast also killed one Afghan civilian and injured at least eight others, including two who were in critical condition.

"We believe this attack was carried out by a suicide bomber," Gen. Ray Henault, Canada's chief of defence staff, told reporters at a news conference yesterday morning.

He refused to speculate whether the attack might have been retribution for a Canadian raid last week in which several suspected terrorists and drug lords were arrested.

Later, Mullah Hakim Latifi, a Taliban spokesperson who contacted Associated Press by satellite telephone, claimed responsibility, saying the attack was the start of a campaign of suicide bombings that "will be continued until the coalition forces leave our country."

He identified the bomber as Hafiz Abdullah, 22, from Khost province. The claim could not be independently verified.

In Ottawa, defence officials fear the attack could mark an escalation in the dangers facing Canadian troops, who are due to patrol the Afghan capital for another six months.

"It's a threat we are very conscious of and it's one we do everything to mitigate. However, against a determined suicide bomber, there's almost nothing you can do," Henault said.

But privately, other defence staff conceded the suicide bombing — and word that dozens of willing attackers had converged in Kabul — could mean further attacks.

"It does show a new capability, a new willingness among insurgents in Kabul," one official said.

Two years after the Taliban's ouster, remnants of the hard-line regime, along with its Al Qaeda allies and followers of Afghan warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, have been launching regular attacks against U.S. and international forces in the country, though suicide bombs are an unusual tactic in Afghanistan.

Prime Minister Paul Martin called the Kabul attack a "cowardly act of terrorism" and on behalf of all Canadians expressed his condolences to Murphy's family.

"This incident is a painful reminder that defending our values and doing our duty in the international campaign against terrorism can exact a very high price," he said.

"We will not forget the sacrifices these soldiers have made to make Canada and the world a safer place."

Afghan President Hamid Karzai blamed the attack, which came a day after he signed the country's first post-Taliban constitution into law, on "terrorist elements intent on disrupting the peace and security of our people."

Murphy was the seventh Canadian soldier killed in Afghanistan in the past two years.

Yesterday, his weeping parents and sisters remembered him as a brave soldier who really loved his job.

He and his comrades had just left camp for a morning patrol and were travelling along a hard-packed road in the western section of the city routinely used by Canadian troops, when a man with a long beard approached from a nearby trench, officials and witnesses said.

"There was a bump in the road, and when they slowed down to pass over it, a terrorist jumped on one of the vehicles and blew himself up," said local police official Ali Jan Askaryar.

Maj. John Vass, who led the patrol, said his vehicle had just passed the bump when he heard the explosion behind him.

"We pulled the vehicle over to the side of the road and noticed the other (vehicle) was all black and the radiator appeared to have exploded," said Vass, who escaped the attack without injury.

Vass said the attack took place near a handful of shops with hundreds of Afghans going about their business.

"I didn't see him or notice him," he said, referring to the suicide bomber.

"It was a normal day on the streets of Kabul."

Vass said the attack was clearly a suicide bombing, judging by the body parts strewn over a large area. "Parts were thrown up to 100 metres away from the vehicle. It was a very disturbing sight, to say the least."

A minute afterward, three Canadian armoured vehicles travelling in the other direction happened upon the bombing. They provided security as curious Afghans crowded around.

Henault said the attack was clearly aimed at international security forces but said he didn't know if the Canadians had been specifically targeted.

The death re-ignited the controversy whether Canadian troops should be using the aging Iltis jeep to patrol hot spots. Last October, Sgt. Robert Short, 42, and Cpl. Robbie Beerenfenger, 29, were killed when their Iltis hit a land mine.

An Ottawa news conference had been previously scheduled yesterday to introduce Canadian Lt.-Gen. Rick Hillier, head of the army, who is gearing up to take charge of the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force trying to keep the peace in Kabul. With news of the attack, the briefing took on a sombre tone.

Troops in Kabul have already started to come home, replaced by new a contingent of soldiers from the 5 Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group, based in Valcartier, Que.

Last night, another 125 troops left Quebec for Kabul, with the death a sobering reminder of the dangers they'll soon face. "Morale is excellent. ... This is another reality check. But they're still willing to go. They understand the risks involved," spokesperson Capt. Mario Couture said.


Murphy's death cast a pall over CFB Petawawa, home base for his regiment, which was festooned with yellow ribbons to welcome home returning troops.

At Petawawa, colleagues recalled the soldier they called "Murph" as a comedian they could count on to lighten things up when the going got tough.

WITH FILES FROM CANADIAN PRESS, Associated press

George W. Bush
01-28-2004, 08:28 PM
Looks like the Canucks will have to send more troops to keep the peace in their part of A-stan.

Maverick77
01-28-2004, 08:46 PM
enough of this peace bull****

kill the ****in Taliban then talk about peace.

anonymous individual
01-28-2004, 10:15 PM
Before you kill the Taliban, you have to find them first. So far, they couldn't find more so they do peacekeeping missions instead just to keep themselves busy.

[AFSOC]
01-28-2004, 10:24 PM
enough of this peace bull****

kill the f*** Taliban then talk about peace.

your an idiot....

garyfanclub
01-28-2004, 10:57 PM
enough of this peace bull****

kill the f*** Taliban then talk about peace.

We need to learn to separate logic and our emotions. You're reacting like a child.

Marxist203
01-28-2004, 11:09 PM
Looks like the Canucks will have to send more troops to keep the peace in their part of A-stan.

Canada has the largest contingent in ISAF...also, where do you think we can get these troops from? thin air? We got 3000 troops tied up with the Balkans that we could send to Afghanistan...honestly I dont understand why we have troops there anymore. 14 Canadians were killed in the WTC Bombings and I think we should take it to those Al Qaeda bastards...IMHO.

EvanL
01-29-2004, 12:37 AM
Looks like the Canucks will have to send more troops to keep the peace in their part of A-stan.

Canada has the largest contingent in ISAF...also, where do you think we can get these troops from? thin air? We got 3000 troops tied up with the Balkans that we could send to Afghanistan...honestly I dont understand why we have troops there anymore. 14 Canadians were killed in the WTC Bombings and I think we should take it to those Al Qaeda bastards...IMHO.
Your being stupid man.
First of all 26 Canadians died on 9/11, secondly, us being in afghanistan is to help rebuild a country that for hundreds of years has been continuelly ****ed over by invading armys and now Al-Qaeda. If we left it would go back to a taliban style country and they would once again be ****ed. We cant let the afghan people down. Were there to protect them so that they can one day live the lives we live.

TarwarWarrior
01-29-2004, 01:59 AM
EvanLloyd wrote:

We cant let the afghan people down. Were there to protect them so that they can one day live the lives we live.

Are you f***ing serious man?!? Don't get me wrong, I am as idealistic as the next guy, maybe more so but Afghanistan cannot be saved. This is a country that has never been defeated in their history. They have completely different values then Western society and don't want ours! C'mon man, they pitfight children for family honour fer ****'s sake. The Afghani people are about as tribal and caste based as Africa is in parts. They have been like that for thousands of years and want it that way.
Oh and to top it all off, the one thing that can unite them under one cause is to expulse ALL foreigners from their country. Not a good mix for long term stabilitymy friend.

The way I see it is that no matter how long we may have troops in country, things will never get better. As soon as the ISAF pulls out all hell will break loose again. It's their nature. So, our troops are on the line doing a job they shouldn't be doing and fighting a useless fight they can't win. The CF is not the bloody Red Cross. We have no business to try and nation build this time around. More soldiers (not just Canadians) will die needlessly.

Honestly there are 3 options here:

1) Continue to go down this road and have soldiers killed.
2) Leave Afghanistan and direct efforts elsewhere.
3) Let the troops do what they should be doing - hunting down and killing the enemy. That way they can secure our lifestyle at home and perhaps add a bit of stability to the region.

Anyhow, these are my thoughts. Take it for what you may.

-TW, out!-

Maverick77
01-29-2004, 08:28 AM
Yes I know... Im an idiot. Trying to keep peace in one city of the country while the Taliban recruits and runs all over the country side taking back pockets of territory and killing aid workers and Afghan police and soldiers... thats a great idea...... 11 thousand troops out there are more than enough obviously.


Im sorry for being such an idiot.

anonymous individual
01-29-2004, 09:55 AM
From an article I read, the troopers over there are restricted within kilometres of Kabual while terrorists slip in and out of the capital. There should be a change in the rules.

I also agree with TarwarWarrior. It is extremely hard to change their way of lives. Redirect the NATO attention to something more worthy to save is wise, in my opinion.

[AFSOC]
01-29-2004, 06:49 PM
Yes I know... Im an idiot. Trying to keep peace in one city of the country while the Taliban recruits and runs all over the country side taking back pockets of territory and killing aid workers and Afghan police and soldiers... thats a great idea...... 11 thousand troops out there are more than enough obviously.


Im sorry for being such an idiot.

Good that you admitted it...IDIOT

Maverick77
01-29-2004, 07:37 PM
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Yes I know... Im an idiot. Trying to keep peace in one city of the country while the Taliban recruits and runs all over the country side taking back pockets of territory and killing aid workers and Afghan police and soldiers... thats a great idea...... 11 thousand troops out there are more than enough obviously.


Im sorry for being such an idiot.

Good that you admitted it...IDIOT


what are you........... 12?


how do you keep peace when theres none to keep.

George W. Bush
01-29-2004, 08:02 PM
Shut up losers. The Afghan Muslims are peace loving people who want nothing more than freedom and a democratic government. And the internet and freedom fries also.

DANJANOU
01-29-2004, 11:25 PM
We're there like the other contigents in ISAF because our Government told us to be there. The rerasoning for that I won't get into. Personally I think we're doing some good over there as we and others have done in other places such as Bosnia ( ore like a little over 1,000 troops there BTW) and the locals for the most part want us.

Like most people they want a chance to have a normal life, as someone said have freedom fries. Why should they be denied that chance, just become some neandrathals who used to run the place say so.

Soldiers protect people who for whatever reason cannot protect themselves. That's what it comes down to.

Besides you can't pull pole and run just because we start taking casualties. that's what the other side wants. Do that and they "win" We didn't pull out when we lost two earleir in this tour. The Germans didn't pull out, the Brits didn't, and they've taken casualties.

The Yanks and the other coalition forces in Iraq have'n't decided to call it quits becaase of the rising casualties. It's a sad reality of war, young men and women die. imprtant that their deaths not be in vain as cliche as that may soud.

The boys in 3RCR were out patrolling after it happened and will contine to do so until all of them have been relieved by the R22Re coming in. Then they'll take over and contine to do so even if they take casualties too.

There's been some suggestion that this and the Brit killed the next day were in retaliation for the raid Para Coy 3RCR conducted recently in which they took in custody several local drug lords with connections to the Taliban. Wouldn't surprise me at all.

It also looks like ISAF is about to turn things up a notch over there. More aggresive patrolling, moving into the coutryside and maybe a few preemptive strikes against thr Taliban.

This one ain't over not by a long shot and they ain''t winning cause we ain't leaving.

Maverick77
01-29-2004, 11:34 PM
Canadian troops should be switched to a combat role in the countryside.

ArmedPacifist
01-29-2004, 11:50 PM
He was a friend of a friend.....he will be missed.