Possible Anti Balistic Missle Defense For Poland

[wholagun]

Nothing in certain yet, but Lockeed Martin and a Polish company PIT may develop tech for a possible Polish Misslie Defense. If the anti ballistic missile defense system will be built I have no idea, this is just start of discussion. But for many Poles this is a good idea since Russia next door has a crap load of missiles and we got none. Maybe the Poles living in Poland can add more this then me living in Canada.


LockMart Signs MoU With Polish Firm For Missile Defense Projects

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Syracuse - Jan 29, 2004
Lockheed Martin signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with Poland's leading defense electronics company, Przemyslowy Instytut Telekomunikacji (PIT), to pursue industrial cooperation related to missile defense, initially focusing on radar technologies.
The MOU outlines the areas of cooperation between the two companies, agrees on ways to exchange proprietary information and establishes a business development steering committee.

"This MOU paves the way for our companies to cooperatively develop technologies and systems that will improve the effectiveness of our nations' defenses against the growing threat of ballistic missile proliferation," said Dave Kier, Lockheed Martin's vice president and managing director for missile defense programs. "Experts in both companies will use advanced radar technology as a starting point for what promises to be a productive, long-term relationship."

"Signing an MOU with Lockheed Martin may give us access to new markets and technology and lead to further industrial cooperation for missile defense between our two nations," observed PIT Director Roman Dufrene.

Under the MOU, Lockheed Martin and PIT will collaborate on co-development of radar and command and control technologies for missile defense applications. Lockheed Martin's Radar Systems business in Syracuse, NY, will lead the effort on behalf of the Corporation.

PIT is the largest electronics research and development center in Poland. It has been in business for 70 years and has more than 50 years of experience in military electronics, including research, development and manufacturing associated with radar technology, reconnaissance equipment and command and control systems.




http://www.spacedaily.com/news/bmdo-04d.html

[-Max2-]

Russia is no longer an enemy and Poland is now in NATO...

IMHO, this system is just a waste of money. :| Poland should instead continue the modernization of the army...

[wholagun]

Russia may not be a threat to rest of Europe, but we learned from our history. Besides all action take by nato would be after the fact. Now I personally don't see Russia as a threat, they wouldn't dare fu*k with us especailly after May 1st. They'd have all of Europe now thier throats. Like I said this is only a plan, and may never see the light of day.

Like you, I persoanally think that the money would be better spent on other things (economy, modernization of military). Besides, right now Polish treasury is looking for money to sustain itself the EU system let alone find enough cash for the EU and still have enough billions of Euros to spend on missle defense. Lastly, Poland isn't that big a place and neither is Europe, if one nuke or few nukes fell in Poland Im sure Germany would not just sit around as radiation and stuff would affect them not to mention the whole of Europe.

[Kitsune]

As far as a anti ballistic missile system against Russia is concerned, Poland is a pretty hopeless case. Should the Russians really want to attack Poland, they can do so by using cruise missiles, nuclear artillery ammo, small nuclear devices planted in Poland by commando units...they are your neighbour after all. But since the Russians are our friends now and such a system is well beyond todays technological capabilities it will possibly more directed against China or Middle Eastern countries. (Damn, Saddam is gone...Perhaps against Israel then...Anti-Europism in Israel is rising, atleast thats what I have heard... p-) )

But the article you posted just said that PIT cooperates with US companies in developements for this system. And this is mainly an economic message. And why not? Wether the system works for Poland or not...if the USA build one, PIT will earn money.

[ivandebono]

This "Poland Loves the USA So We've Got to Have What You Have" thing is getting ridiculous. How could you have an effective ballistic missile defence over Poland without including the rest of Europe? I mean, a (highly hypothetical) nuclear strike, say 30 km from Poland's border would still , er, wreak havoc within Polish territory.

[the_spec]

This "Poland Loves the USA So We've Got to Have What You Have" thing is getting ridiculous.
Word. Next thing you know poland buys an old US aircraftcarrier to cruise the baltic sea a little.

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Russia is no longer an enemy and Poland is now in NATO...

IMHO, this system is just a waste of money. :| Poland should instead continue the modernization of the army...

I agree

[Russian Texan]

Russia may not be a threat to rest of Europe, but we learned from our history. Besides all action take by nato would be after the fact. Now I personally don't see Russia as a threat, they wouldn't dare fu*k with us especailly after May 1st. They'd have all of Europe now thier throats.

Where does all this negativity comes from?
I mean - do you honestly believe that Russia will ever attack Poland? Do you believe that russians are having wet, wild dreams about that "Heaven on Earth called Poland"?
I mean c'mon, man: what does Poland have that Russia might need?
Please provide me with at least one serious reason.

It does appear that you are very passionate about this subject though :)
Especially I like this pice:
they wouldn't dare fu*k with us especailly after May 1st. They'd have all of Europe now thier throats.
You mean just like in 1939 ;) ?

Do you really think that if for some weird reason Russia decides to invade Poland, europeans will trade skiing in the Alps for the "joys" of nuclear winter?

In any case, it is all hypothetical because the only existing/working ABM defense system is protecting Moscow, but lets say US develops a working/deployable system, do you think the rest of the "European allies" wouldn't get upset about Poland getting special treatment?

[wholagun]

Well Russian Texan, history has been kinder to you then it has to us. Hard to understand for anyone except Poles.

Is Russia a threat right now, well no. 100 years, maybe I dont know.
**** I think I may be accidentally started a flame post.. ****..

Well I will respond to your question with another question - why all the bad history in the past, what did we have back then, I really don't know?

Jeez people, relax.. we went from possible talk bettwen PIT and Lockeed to Poland having its own US aircraft carrier patroling the Baltic sea.

Given our history can you really blame us. I mean you guys havn't been what you'd call ideal neighbours.



1939, well can you blame us yet again, for looking to US.


It does appear that you are very passionate about this subject though
Especially I like this pice: Quote:
they wouldn't dare fu*k with us especailly after May 1st. They'd have all of Europe now thier throats.


Ha um yeah.. maybe I was a bit um hasty. Benjamin Franklin did say "a man that begins something in anger will always end in shame".

Negativity? No negativity - just frustation.


"Poland Loves the USA So We've Got to Have What You Have"
I love it, some are pissed at us for liking the US. Ill give you 10 million reaons why we like the US (cough if you dont know there are 10 million Poles living in US) Um and if you havn't realized alot of countries have what US has.

[Seiyuuki]

What's the big deal?

I rather have nations around the world proliferate an anti-ballistic missile defense system or some sort of defensive system one way or another rather than the proliferation of nuclear arsenals?

What would the Russian prefer...the Polish get some of the U.S. nukes instead of their missile defense system?

[Sergei]

Given our history can you really blame us. I mean you guys havn't been what you'd call ideal neighbours.


Neither were you. Can you blame us for that we ensured no threat from Poland would ever materialize again? :)

Silly Poles, they still believe that Hollywood ABM system can stop MW nukes from destroying anything. A total waste of money and resources.

I'd better get back to watching that Reagan's colourful cartoon of the 80's about SDI. That is a masterpiece, and a great tool to make shock and awe on the dumb.

[Kicius]

For me the idea of BMD in Poland is at least a stupid.
We don't have airlift capability at all. Our army with few exceptions is :( ,
etc. etc.

Unfortunately a lots of Poles forgot that Moscow is closer to Warsaw then Washington, and many of them thinks that russians are our greatest enemy. For me personally it is complete BS.


Where does all this negativity comes from?


I don't know.


mean - do you honestly believe that Russia will ever attack Poland? Do you believe that russians are having wet, wild dreams about that "Heaven on Earth called Poland"?


It's very adequate question. And it is hard to answer. There are still lots of russians, ukrainians etc. working in Poland (in terrible conditions).
But Poland is far away from heaven.


I mean c'mon, man: what does Poland have that Russia might need?

Polish beer :lol:


You mean just like in 1939

Sad but true. How many Poles remember 12.09.1939 in Abeville?

Stop fighting guys. We are all slavonic (not sure if slavonic is correct)

[Herrmannek]

For me the idea of BMD in Poland is at least a stupid.
We don't have airlift capability at all. Our army with few exceptions is :( ,
etc. etc.

It's not stupid...but yes we don't realy need it, taking part in developing such "weapons" is another case, wich can bring only good things to us.


Unfortunately a lots of Poles forgot that Moscow is closer to Warsaw then Washington, and many of them thinks that russians are our greatest enemy. For me personally it is complete BS.

And this is the problem..Moscow is to close...Polish buisnesses are often contradict with Russian ones, and noone doubt what Russia can do to protects their own buissneses. I don't say that Russia is our enemy, but it is potential threat, and we must be ready for **** comming from that direction....


Where does all this negativity comes from?

I don't know.


From both sides :)





mean - do you honestly believe that Russia will ever attack Poland? Do you believe that russians are having wet, wild dreams about that "Heaven on Earth called Poland"?


It's very adequate question. And it is hard to answer. There are still lots of russians, ukrainians etc. working in Poland (in terrible conditions).
But Poland is far away from heaven.

I mean c'mon, man: what does Poland have that Russia might need?

Polish beer :lol:

Maybe they don't need nothing speciall from us...NOW. But what if We, our actions, our aliances, or our buisness became problem to Russia...



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Stop fighting guys. We are all slavonic (not sure if slavonic is correct)

We aren't fighting....just prepearing......yet :)

[Marmot1]

Well history tells us that russia is not our friend.... just XX century...

in 1917 russian revolutionists recognized poland's right to be independent state and.... in 1919-21 we had a war... then 17 Setember 1939 (We had non agression pact) then ocupation after war (we were allies)... and before that we had a lot of oportunities to taste russian friendship.
SYBIR and GULAG are two worlds that every polish citizen know,
It's why there are 300.000 poles in Kazachstan and why during during the Shamill uprising in Chechenya 1848(?) he had polish "blue huzzars" as a bodyguards...(they were polish depoted to chechenya after 1830 Polish uprising and they joined fight with comon enemy).


Example of russian friendship: No mare than 2 weeks ago someone from russian MofD decladed that if US move airbase to poland (there is a plan to move one of AB from Germany to Powidz in central poland) they (russians) will lock balistic misiles on poland so if there is direct declaration that we will be target no wonder why there is plan to counter this threat.... Of courseif we are unable to destroy all incoming misiles, but every one destroyd would possibly save hundreds of thousands of lives. Anyway russian declarations directed to poland in last years except some are constructed in rather not friendly language.

Example: russians demanded exteritorial highway from Kaliningrad to Belarus when we enter EU, maybe there are idiots in russian M of Foreign Affairs but last time when somebody demanded such thing was spring 1939... and country was germany (they demanded exteritorial highway from west prussia to east prussia thru poland) so we had very bad feeling about everything exteritorial in poland... and of course you know how polish goverment answered on such radiculus demand...

Sorry but russia always demand and never ask...

[Roger Rabbit]

Isn't there more chance of someone walking into the country with a nuclear dirty bomb in a sitcase than another country chucking some missiles Polands way?

[Russian Texan]

Well history tells us that russia is not our friend.... just XX century...

in 1917 russian revolutionists recognized poland's right to be independent state and.... in 1919-21 we had a war... then 17 Setember 1939 (We had non agression pact)

So communists actually gave you independence....if anything you should be thankful :)

"Non agression" pacts don't work real well, Russia and germany also had one ;)

If to look at it objectively, Poland was in between two countries that were on a colliding course - it was just an unfortunate geographical location.

BTW, when and how did all those Russo/Polish problems start, I mean what was the reason for the first conflict?

[Herrmannek]

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BTW, when and how did all those Russo/Polish problems start, I mean what was the reason for the first conflict?

I think that when Lithuania asked us to help kick ass of that stuborn geographical location called russia :)

[Russian Texan]

Can you provide some links (in english), I'd like to learn more about the origins of the issue.

[Herrmannek]

Can you provide some links (in english), I'd like to learn more about the origins of the issue.
...........I'm searching........... :)

[tony6]

I don't see the point here.
1) Poland is only part of this ABM system-together with some instalations in Spain and Great Britain this system is to protect whole Europe.
2) it has nothing to do with Russia - it is more like protecting from such countries like North Korea or something (they develop they strategic missiles, don't they?)
3) US pays for that program so?:)
We can only gain something - PIT will have a chance for modern technologies.

[tony6]

One more thing boys-Poland didn't ask US for this system-it was US who ask Poland to put some instalations here (because our geographic location).

[Herrmannek]

Here is short time line of Poland's history, still can't find english info about Polish-Russian strugles.

558 AD: defeated by the Avars the Slavs move east from the Russian steppes
575: the East Slavs inhabit western Russia, the South Slavs inhabit the Balkan peninsula, the West Slavs inhabit Poland, Czechoslovakia and Prussia
650: West Slavs settle in the area between the Oder and the Vistula
800: the East Slavs inhabiting western Russia, the South Slavs inhabit the Balkan peninsula, the West Slavs inhabit Poland, Czechoslovakia and Prussia
950: the Polanie tribe conquers the other Slavic tribes (Wislanie, Pomorzanie, Mazovianee) and its chief, Piast, names his state Polska (Poland)
966: Mieszko I, ruler of Poland, founds the Piast dynasty with capital in Gniezno and converts to Christianity
992: Mieszko I dies and is succeeded by his son Boleslaw Chrobry
999: Poland becomes a Christian kingdom
999: the Western world is paralyzed by fear of the millennium
1000: German emperor Otto III absorbs Poland within his sphere of control
1000: an independent Polish Church is set up with Episcopal see in Poznan
1025: Boleslaw Chrobry is crowned first Polish king by the Pope
1138: Boleslaw III Krzywousty divides the kingdom among his sons
1172: German emperor Friedrich I Barbarossa defends the independence of the Polish dukes
1226: Konrad Mazowiecki asks the Teutonic Knights, a Crusading Order based in Germany, to help subdue the pagan north-eastern tribes of Prussia
1236: Mindaugas (Mindowe) unites the tribes of Lithuania with capital in Trakai
1250: the first Jewish settlers emigrate to Poland
1253: Mindaugas converts to Christianity and becomes king of Lithuania
1290: the Teutonic Knights conquer all of Prussia
1316: the pagan archduke Gediminas expands Lithuania, founds the Gediminaiciai dynasty, moves the capital to Vilnius
1320: Wladyslaw I Lokietek reunites the kingdom of Poland
1333: Kazimierz III becomes king of Poland and enacts economic and social reforms, moving the capital to Krakow
1350: Wieliczka salt mine near Krakow
1364: the University of Krakow is founded
1370: Kazimierz III dies, ending the Piast Dynasty, and his nephew Louis I d'Anjou, becomes king
1382: Pauline monks from Hungary build the monastery of Czestochowa
1386: the marriage between the Polish queen Jadwiga, daughter of Louis I, and Lithuanian archduke Wladyslaw II Jogaila, who converts to Christianity, changes name to Jagiello and de-facto unites Christian Poland and pagan Lithuania
1392: the archduke Vytautas (Witold) of Lithuania conquers Belorussian, Russiam and Ukrainiam territories, pushing the borders of Lithuania to the Black Sea
1410: the Teutonic Knights are defeated by Jagiello's Polish-Lithuanian army at the battle of Tannenberg
1413: Poland and Lithuania sign the Treaty of Union at Horodlo
1423: the Teutonic Knights retreat into eastern Prussia (Livonia)
1434: Jargiello dies and is succeeded by his son Wladyslaw III
1440: Wladyslaw III becomes king of Hungary
1444: the Polish-Hungarian army is defeated by the Ottomans at Varna, Wladyslaw III is killed and Poland loses Hungary
1466: Kazimierz IV's Polish army defeats the Teutonic Knights and annexes western Prussia to Poland
1471: Kazimierz IV is elected king of Bohemia
1490: king Wladyslaw of Poland-Lithuania becomes king of Bohemia and Hungary
1506: Zygmunt II Stary becomes king
1526: Ludwig Jagiellonian dies at the battle of Mohacs and the Jagiellonians lose Hungary and Bohemia
1543: Nicholas Copernicus publishes "De Revolutionibus Orbium Coelestium" and defends the heliocentric theory
1565: Poland and Lithuania are formally united under king Zygmunt/Sigismund ("Union of Lublin"), last of the Jagiellonians
1561: Livonia (the Teutonic Knights) breaks down and its provinces are absorbed by Poland
1569: the Polish-Lithuanian parliament ("Sejm") creates a Royal Republic, in which the king is chosen by the Sejm
1572: Sigismund dies and the Royal Nobility Republic (Rzeczpospolita Szlachecka) of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth is born
1573: Henryk Walezy (Henry Valois of Bourbon) becomes the first elected king and grants religious equality to all faiths
1576: Transylvanian voivod (prince) Stefan Batory is elected king of Poland-Lithuania
1579: the Jesuits establish the university of Vilnius
1582: Batory conquers Livonia (Estonia and Latvia) from Russia
1586: Batory dies and the Swedish crown prince, Zygmunt Vasa, is elected king of Poland-Lithuania
1595: at the synod of Brest the Ruthenian (Byelorussian and Ukrainian) Orthodox church recognises the supremacy of the Pope
1596: King Zygmunt/Sigismund III Vasa moves Poland-Lithuania's capital from Krakow to Warszaw
1654: Russia declares war on Poland and captures Minsk and Vilna
1655: Sweden invades Poland-Lithuania ("First Northern War"), causing the death of millions, while Russia, Denmark, and the Empireside with Poland-Lithuania
1660: Sweden is defeated by king Jan Kazimierz (end of the first Northern War)
1667: Ukraine is divided along the Dnieper between Poland-Lithuania and Moscow (treaty of Andruszowo)
1672: the Ottomans invade southern Ukraine
1683: Vienna, under siege by the Ottomans, is saved by the Polish-Lithuanian army
1697: Augustus, the Elector of Saxony, is elected king of Poland-Lithuania, and Poland is virtually united with Saxony
1717: Poland becomes a Russian protectorate
1742: Slesia is annexed by the German Empire
1764: Stanislaw August Poniatowski, supported by Russia's empress Katerina, becomes king of Poland, thereby ending the union with Saxony
1772: the anti-Russian movement "Confederation of Bar" is crushed by Russia that partitions one fourth of Poland with Prussia and Austria (Galicia, Krakow)
1791: the Polish parliament ratifies a democratic constitution
1793: Katerina of Russia invades Poland, abrogates the constitution and partitions half of Poland between Russia and Prussia
1794: Polish hero Tadeusz Kosciuszko starts a rebellion for Polish independence, but Russia and Prussia invade the country
1795: a third partition divides the whole of Poland between Russia (that takes all of Lithuania) and Prussia, thereby removing Poland from the map
1807: Napoleon defeats Prussia and creates a Duchy of Warszaw
1815: at the Congress of Vienna the Duchy of Warszaw is partitioned among Russia, Austria and Prussia and the Russian tsar Alexander I grants semi-autonomy to the "Congress Kingdom" of Poland
1865: after a failed pro-independence uprising, Russia turns the kingdom of Poland into the Vistula Province, forbids the use of the Polish and Lithuanian languages and persecutes the Catholic church
1890: millions of Poles emigrate to the United States
1914: Jozef Pilsudski organizes the "Polish Riflemen's League" that fights with the Austro-Hungarian empire and against Russia during World War I
1918: Lithuania declares its independence from Russia
1919: at the treaty of Versailles the independence of Poland is recognized (with territory recovered from Austria and Germany) by the world powers and Pilsudski becomes its head of state
1920: Jozef Pilsudski defeats the Soviet army and Poland annexes western Ukraine and Belarus
1926: Pilsudski proclaims himself dictator of Poland
1939: Stalin's Soviet Union and Hitler's Third Reich partition Poland
1940: The Soviet Union invades Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia
1943: three million Jews of Poland are killed in Nazi death camps at Maidanek, Birkenau, and Auschwitz
1947: the Communists seize power in Poland
1955: The Soviet Union forms the Warsaw Pact to counterbalance NATO with Albania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Hungary, Poland, Rumania
1978: the Polish cardinal Karol Wojtyla becomes Pope John Paul II, first non-Italian Pope in centuries
1980: Lech Walesa leads Polish workers in a strike
1989: In Poland the communist government and Solidarity agree to share power
1990: Lech Walesa elected president of Poland
1991: Lithuania declares its independence from the Soviet Union
1997: a democratic Constitution is ratified by the Polish parliament

[oldsoak]

I dont think an ABM programme should be high on the agenda for Poland - the money might be better spent on NATO compatible gear and ensuring Polish forces can readily integrate with the rest of NATO on joint operations -the Poles are thoroughly capable and are a most welcome addition. Besides, it might send an "I dont trust you" message to the Russians when we should be engaging with them on things like Islamic terror groups. Why irritate the Bear when its mutually beneficial to be friendly ?

[wholagun]

Well the article did not mention anything about government involvment, and I have no seen any english articles about this issue and Im assuming from what I havn't seen (Poles posting aricles in Polish) that they don't know too much about this topic either. So it looks as though the gov't isn't serious about this, or is keeping it under the radar of Russia. I think its the former. We need lots of cash for health care and other upgrades.

Well in the end of the day say we do develop ABM project. How much can it stop 5, 6 nuckes? Russia will just send 100 more. In the end we can't win.

What worries me is that Lockeed and Poland signed an 6-8 Billion US dollar offset for buying the F 16s. Im worried that Lockeed might say that this is the offset and leave us with some good tech, but leave us also with a non working product that will do nothing but de-stabilize relations with Russia.


Stop fighting guys. We are all slavonic (not sure if slavonic is correct)
We're not fighting, suprizingly we're getting along.
Close its Slaves, not slavonic "We are all Slaves" or you can say "We are all of Slavic origin". I read onetime that Slavic people are originally Iranian nomads. Although Im not sure if this is true since any troll under a bridge can have a web page.

Well you know what they say when buying a new home, LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION. Same can be said for countries .

[Herrmannek]

RussianTexan try here:
http://www.jasinski.co.uk/wojna/conflicts/conf01.htm

but can't find any decent info......

[Kicius]

Russian Texan wrote:


Can you provide some links (in english), I'd like to learn more about the origins of the issue

http://home.golden.net/~medals/1918-1921war.html

http://members.lycos.co.uk/jozefpilsudski/vistula.html

http://www.iyp.org/pilsudski/maps.html

http://www.ukans.edu/wcb/schools/CLAS/his/aciencia/1/files/newlect11poland.htm

The last one is probably the best.

[perdurabo]

one thing is economical friendship witch i think we should improve, both sides can make big money on this other thing is "military friendship" our geographical position means that almoust all big wars in europe has to go through our land so "si vis pacem para bellum" and "good fences make good neighbours" russians don't be ofended but i prefer to have loaded gun to defend myself than be ****ed by some one

[Russian Texan]

i prefer to have loaded gun to defend myself than be f*** by some one

Spoken like a true Texan :)

[mustamato]

1655: Sweden invades Poland-Lithuania ("First Northern War"), causing the death of millions, while Russia, Denmark, and the Empireside with Poland-Lithuania

Good old days, Sweden vs. the World :)

[wholagun]

1655: Sweden invades Poland-Lithuania ("First Northern War"), causing the death of millions, while Russia, Denmark, and the Empireside with Poland-Lithuania

Good old days, Sweden vs. the World :)

yeah and look where that got ya. p-)

[Johnnyringo]

If I were a smart man I'd invest in some companies that supply the Polish Military... By the looks of it they're in for some large orders in the years to come.

[GazB]

"I rather have nations around the world proliferate an anti-ballistic missile defense system or some sort of defensive system one way or another rather than the proliferation of nuclear arsenals?

What would the Russian prefer...the Polish get some of the U.S. nukes instead of their missile defense system?"

A 100% defence is the best shield to launch an attack from behind. That is why the 1972 ABM treaty was required before any arms limitations treaties or arms reductions treaties could be signed.

The difference an ABM system in Poland will make is that more Russian ballistic missiles will be pointed at it to make sure if NATO ever decides to expand too far it can be penetrated.

"Stop fighting guys. We are all slavonic (not sure if slavonic is correct)"

Slavic.

"I don't say that Russia is our enemy, but it is potential threat, and we must be ready for **** comming from that direction.... "

Such measures as ABM defence creates more **** than it stops.

"From both sides"

It is Poland that is joining a military organisation that covers most of Europe that Russia is not allowed to join. What reaction should you expect?

"Maybe they don't need nothing speciall from us...NOW. But what if We, our actions, our aliances, or our buisness became problem to Russia... "

A maybe that could cause another arms race. I doubt this ABM system would be extended to protect or include Russia. In such a case what reason has the Russians to view you as an ally or friend... in such a case selling ballistic missile technology to your enemies becomes less difficult...

"Isn't there more chance of someone walking into the country with a nuclear dirty bomb in a sitcase than another country chucking some missiles Polands way?"

Don't be silly Rupert. Any bad guys will play the game and spend a fortune developing ballistic missile technology and use this weapon to attack the US or its allies... it is a nice way to tell them who launched the weapon and therefore who to retaliate against. Something all terrorist organisations want. There is no way they'd realise welding a nuke to the bottom of a boat and sailing it into a US harbour and then blowing it up would even enter their heads...

"Close its Slaves, not slavonic"

Slavs... adding the e makes you menial workers that are owned by your boss... ie Slaves.

[Seiyuuki]

A 100% defence is the best shield to launch an attack from behind. That is why the 1972 ABM treaty was required before any arms limitations treaties or arms reductions treaties could be signed.

The difference an ABM system in Poland will make is that more Russian ballistic missiles will be pointed at it to make sure if NATO ever decides to expand too far it can be penetrated.

Ummm...Cold War still on? Yeah...Poland will seriously launch a massive surprise attack against Mother Russia with NATO's backing.

NATO, EU all want a ballistic defense system for Europe, like it matter if Poland get one...The entire continent of Europe will eventually have one. So will Australia, Japan and anybody else who want one. Like I said, it is proliferating and like any of those countries going to start up a war.