Pictures of SWAT team from you Country

[Parzival]

The Swedish Federal SWAT team Ordningspolisen nationella insatsstyrka (ONI):

Only one picture:
http://www.n-i.se/images/galleri/bild1.gif
http://www.polisman.com/gfx/foto/ni3.jpg

The Swedish ONI Main-objectives is to fight against the Terrorism and handle a hostages situation, but they also fight against the mafia and very very dangers person.

[Thomsen]

SEK Nordbayern:

http://www.ipa-nuernberg.de/bilder/sek01.jpg
http://www.ipa-nuernberg.de/bilder/sek22.jpg
http://www.ipa-nuernberg.de/bilder/sek18.jpg

others:

http://www.sondereinheiten.de/sek/pics/sek07.jpg
http://www.sondereinheiten.de/sek/pics/sek11.jpg
http://www.sondereinheiten.de/sek/pics/sek05.jpg
http://www.sondereinheiten.de/sek/pics/sek15.jpg

[Parzival]

SEK Nordbayern:


http://www.ipa-nuernberg.de/bilder/sek18.jpg


Does that Shield rally protect him from bullets. Well, Nice pics anyway!

[-Max2-]

Two more pics of the Swedish SWAT:

http://home.tiscali.be/specialunits/images/Zweden/Stockholm_Police_NI.jpg

http://home.tiscali.be/specialunits/images/Zweden/Stockholm_Police_NI_member.jpg

;)

[Parzival]

Where did you found those pictures?

[-Max2-]

Here: http://home.tiscali.be/specialunits/Taalkeuze_English.htm (a Belgian site about Special Units patches)

Patches-> Europe-> Sweden-> Photo Gallery ;)

[Parzival]

Here: http://home.tiscali.be/specialunits/Taalkeuze_English.htm (a Belgian site about Special Units patches)

Patches-> Europe-> Sweden-> Photo Gallery ;)
ahh. Okey. But That page doesn't work for me.

[CX20]

SEK Nordbayern:


http://www.ipa-nuernberg.de/bilder/sek18.jpg



I can't understand why they take those with them into buildings. In the UK, we use full body length heavy ballistic shields, which are primarily used when approaching the offender's house prior to entry. If you are conducting a rapid entry, the shield will be discarded as soon as you reach the point of entry, it is never taken inside. If you are conducting a methodical approach, the shield man may peek round the door with his shield and stay in position in the doorway whilst a police dog is sent in, or the offender is "called out". However if the team has to enter, the shield will stay outside.

In my experience, ballistic shields are a pain in the backside and the protection they offer comes at the sacrifice of speed, reflexes and other issues. Shields are pointless unless you have the full body length ones, as anything else leaves parts of you exposed. The point officer needs to be fast, have a good grip on his weapon and be able to duck in and out of confined spaces, not lugging a shield around which hinders his reflexes, weapon handling and ability to engage targets in confined spaces.

I'll try and convince some of my lads to pose for some photos, although they may not agree as UK firearms officers are traditionally camera shy. I'll ask though.

[CX20]

http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/supplements/gh2001/images/june_seige.jpg

Further to my last post, take a look at this shot of UK armed officers arresting an offender following a siege. Pointless use of a shield - see what I mean about genuine lack of protection, also he is forced to use his long weapon one handed - a big no-no. If the offender suddenly got up, he would have both his hands full too.

Until I can ask my lot, here are some photos I posted a while ago in another thread. All of these officers are from UK police forces.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5563&highlight=police

[Parzival]

http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/supplements/gh2001/images/june_seige.jpg

Further to my last post, take a look at this shot of UK armed officers arresting an offender following a siege. Pointless use of a shield - see what I mean about genuine lack of protection, also he is forced to use his long weapon one handed - a big no-no. If the offender suddenly got up, he would have both his hands full too.

Until I can ask my lot, here are some photos I posted a while ago in another thread. All of these officers are from UK police forces.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5563&highlight=police

Same in Swden. The Swedish SWAT use a shield from USA. Like the Shield on you picture but a little bit bigger.

[Thomsen]

I don´t know if this clear shield protects against bullets, I know that the black ones do. Very heavy shields indeed... ;)

Our SEK has also shields that are as long as the guy who carries them, I didn´t find the picture.

[Jack Mehoff]

We have a bunch of SWAT team here in the U.S. I think Los Angeles and Chicago SWAT teams are pretty bad ass considering the kind of work environment they are in.

[Thomsen]

Extreme conditions demand extreme responses. :lol: ;)

[Frens]

Here few pics of Italian Carabinieri G.I.S. (Gruppo Intervento Speciale - Specia Intervetion Group):

http://digilander.libero.it/PR2/SWAT/GISpatch.jpg

http://www.ccpartuscania.net/images/ab412.jpg

http://www.ccpartuscania.net/images/teamgis.jpg

http://www.ccpartuscania.net/images/tcl.gif

http://www.ccpartuscania.net/images/teamGis2003.jpg

http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/Italy/gis.jpg
Steyr AUG with ACOG and 2 H&K PSG-1

http://students.engr.scu.edu/~jabraham/specwar/specops/italy/gis/gis-team.jpg

http://students.engr.scu.edu/~jabraham/specwar/specops/italy/gis/gis-collage1.jpg
H&K MP-5A3 and MP-5K

http://students.engr.scu.edu/~jabraham/specwar/specops/italy/gis/gis-psg1.jpg
H&K PSG-1

http://students.engr.scu.edu/~jabraham/specwar/specops/italy/gis/gis-collage2.jpg

http://students.engr.scu.edu/~jabraham/specwar/specops/italy/gis/gis-fats.jpg
FireArms Training System (FATS) used by GIS


Unit Profile
In the fall 1977 the Carabinieri's HQ decided to establish a CT Unit to counter the growing terrorist phenomena. Few months later, the GIS "Gruppo Intervento Speciale" was born. GIS is the Carabinieri CT Unit and it responds directly to the Carabinieri' HQ and to the Ministry of Interior. The focus of GIS has always been on very high risk CT operations, such as the storming of hijacked aircraft.
The 100-man GIS has 3 operational sections and 1 sniper/reconnaissance team. Every section is divided into detachment of four men. In every moment there's a section ready to leave the base in 30 min. Sniper team is usually formed by two snipers, equipped with Mauser 86SR, and by a scout, usually with a semi-automatic H&K PSG/1. During action men alternate in the scout role.
Every GIS soldier is a volunteer from the 1st Carabinieri Airborne Regiment "Tuscania". As first selection, all candidates go to an interview with a GIS high officer to verify their motivation, which is a key element. The soldiers who pass the first selections go to a basic course which last 5 months. A great amount of time is devolved to martial arts (Wushu and Thai boxing), explosives, tactics, English language, topography, terrorist ideology and photography as well as combat shooting. They use FATS (Fire Arms Training System), a laser-system which project on a screen interactive images and can record all students' reactions. Usually during this first course 50% retires. From them who pass, only the better ones are selected to go to the Specialization Course which lasts other six months, after which they become operative members. They are trained in combat driving too (reportedly held at Ferrari's famed factory and speed roadway).

GIS has very good relations with many top class CT units in the world, amongst these are Great Britain's 22nd SAS, Spain's GEO and UEI, France's GIGN, Germany's GSG-9 and SEK, Belgium's ESI, Austria's GEK and Holland's BBE.

GIS is equipped with many sophisticated weapons and tools. Beretta 92F and H&K MP-5 (in A5, SD3 and KA4 versions) are the most common weapons, but they use also Beretta M12, Steyr TMP, S&W Patrolman .357 Magnum. Among the shotguns they prefer SPAS 12 and 15 and the PA3. In their arsenal there are also Beretta SCP 70/90 and Steyr AUG but they don't use it often. Snipers use Mauser 86SR equipped with a Syncrofire system which make all rifle shoot simultaneously. Recenty GIS bought also some Accuracy International AWP Suppressed.

In 1998 a group of GIS operators was deployed in Albania with the mission "ALBA" after the riot, like immediate reaction force and CT function.



Note: In Italy there isn't a unit that is primarily responsible unit for CT duties. GIS and Police State's NOCS live together like State Police and Carabinieri does. Carabinieri indeed are an Army's Corp which has the task to guarantee public safety and to make the state law to be respected, as well as MP common tasks. So both Carabinieri and State Policemen patrol the Italian streets and both of them have a CT unit. The only difference between them is that NOCS can operate only inside Italian borders, while GIS can be called outside Italy working with "Tuscania" Regiment, when host nation agrees.

[Parzival]

We have a bunch of SWAT team here in the U.S. I think Los Angeles and Chicago SWAT teams are pretty bad ass considering the kind of work environment they are in.
Well, I am not an expert and I have see a lot of tv program and websites about the U.S State SWAT and I am not impressed. The US state SWAT are still cops. The FBI Swat are diffrent. They a really elite team and know there job well. The swedish SWAT, FBI Swat e.t.c are more like military units. That's the diffrent between US City/state SWAT and FBI swat and the swedish swat.

[RomanS]

Actually US SWAT is very good my friend.

Last time i checked SWAT teams were part of cops ;)

[Undo]

Depends on the situation, I guess. State, county and city SWAT teams in US are constantly being used (at least in major cities) and are often at the mercy of the media to second guess every move they make, so they are extremely efficient. I have no idea what you see on swedish tv, but our local SWAT guys kick ass. They have a huge amount of experience with situations involving CQB. I would imagine that most US city SWAT teams have more actual CQB experience than any of the national teams in other nations, simply based on the amount/type of crime in the US and the proliferation of guns. On top of which, I would argue that recruiting SWAT teams from the ranks of regular cops is the IDEAL way to go, as most American cops are very experienced at resolving conflicts with aggresive people with guns on a personal and compasionate level and not detached, special purpose units that have only been trained in a more or less one dimentional way to resolve specific situations.

[mustamato]

We have a bunch of SWAT team here in the U.S. I think Los Angeles and Chicago SWAT teams are pretty bad ass considering the kind of work environment they are in.
Well, I am not an expert and I have see a lot of tv program and websites about the U.S State SWAT and I am not impressed. The US state SWAT are still cops. The FBI Swat are diffrent. They a really elite team and know there job well. The swedish SWAT, FBI Swat e.t.c are more like military units. That's the diffrent between US City/state SWAT and FBI swat and the swedish swat.

For fakk sake man, stop being such an embarrassment to your country and get your act together.

1.) Ordinary cops can use MP5´s and so forth as well.

http://www.hkpro.com/hkaction-sweden.jpg
Possibly a ordinary cop just standing guard (could be Piketen).

2.) There is not only one swedish SWAT. Each district has its own, (Piketen from the french word "piquet") that are bad ass cops doing ordinary patrols and so forth, but also have as their main objectives to arrest dangerous (armed) persons, riot control, escort of important documents (money) and persons and so forth. Doing that more ordinary stuff they usually patrol in a squad.

http://www.hkpro.com/action6swed1.jpg

http://www.hkpro.com/action5swedbus.jpg

3.) NI = Nationella Insatsstyrkan is a small nationwide unit that is a fulltime anti-terrorist force.

http://www.hkpro.com/action6swedmp5.jpg
NI and local mafia.

4.) The reserve police (Beredskapspolisen), that should not be confused
with SWAT despite their fancy equipment.

http://www.beredskapspolisen.org/bildgalleri_np2002/qdig-converted/med_np2002_17.jpg

5.) With the huge crime rate in US and the numbers of murders and other crimes the US SWAT teams are probably the most experienced in the world.

[Dominique]

We have a bunch of SWAT team here in the U.S. I think Los Angeles and Chicago SWAT teams are pretty bad ass considering the kind of work environment they are in.
Well, I am not an expert and I have see a lot of tv program and websites about the U.S State SWAT and I am not impressed. The US state SWAT are still cops. The FBI Swat are diffrent. They a really elite team and know there job well. The swedish SWAT, FBI Swat e.t.c are more like military units. That's the diffrent between US City/state SWAT and FBI swat and the swedish swat.

Team capabilities vary from agency to agency. FBI SWAT teams are not like the military. Many of them are used infrequently. The teams the get a lot of deployments are the FBI's nine "enhanced" SWAT teams. They get more money, better gear, and more trianing.

The FBI HRT is differnet story. It's what's refered to as a "Tier 1" unit. They train with Delta, DEVGRU, 22 SAS, GIGN, etc.

As for local and state teams LAPD SWAT is still the one to rate yourself against. Some other really good teams include LASD SED, Miami-Dade SRT, DC Metro ERT, Houston PD SWAT, and Dallas PD SWAT.

Some of the better Federal teams are BORTAC, USMS SOG, some of the DOE teams and the NASA team from the Kenendy Space center.

[MARINO]

GEO: Grupo Especial de Intervencion.
http://marino.mypicgallery.com/?/jesus/geo_large.jpg
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Enjoy them :D

[Jack Mehoff]

I'd rather be in A-Stan right now than some ****ed up, narcotic neighborhood in Chicago. It's not that hard for a crack head to purchase an Uzi for cheap in black market.

[Parzival]

We have a bunch of SWAT team here in the U.S. I think Los Angeles and Chicago SWAT teams are pretty bad ass considering the kind of work environment they are in.
Well, I am not an expert and I have see a lot of tv program and websites about the U.S State SWAT and I am not impressed. The US state SWAT are still cops. The FBI Swat are diffrent. They a really elite team and know there job well. The swedish SWAT, FBI Swat e.t.c are more like military units. That's the diffrent between US City/state SWAT and FBI swat and the swedish swat.

For fakk sake man, stop being such an embarrassment to your country and get your act together.

1.) Ordinary cops can use MP5´s and so forth as well.

http://www.hkpro.com/hkaction-sweden.jpg
Possibly a ordinary cop just standing guard (could be Piketen).

2.) There is not only one swedish SWAT. Each district has its own, (Piketen from the french word "piquet") that are bad ass cops doing ordinary patrols and so forth, but also have as their main objectives to arrest dangerous (armed) persons, riot control, escort of important documents (money) and persons and so forth. Doing that more ordinary stuff they usually patrol in a squad.





3.) NI = Nationella Insatsstyrkan is a small nationwide unit that is a fulltime anti-terrorist force.


NI and local mafia.

4.) The reserve police (Beredskapspolisen), that should not be confused
with SWAT despite their fancy equipment.

5.) With the huge crime rate in US and the numbers of murders and other crimes the US SWAT teams are probably the most experienced in the world.
Eh No. Sweden has almost the same crimerate as the U.S.
1) The U.S City/state Swat is like our local SWAT called Piketen.

2) the ONI (Nationella insatsstyrkan) are our federal SWAT team. ONI are more like the FBI Swat team.

P.S I Saw the program about the U.S Swat on both american and swedish channels.

[Jack Mehoff]

Eh No. Sweden has almost the same crimerate as the U.S.
1) The U.S City/state Swat is like our local SWAT called Piketen.

You are not serious? Are guns legal in Sweden?

[mustamato]

Eh No. Sweden has almost the same crimerate as the U.S.
1) The U.S City/state Swat is like our local SWAT called Piketen.

You are not serious? Are guns legal in Sweden?

No he´s not. He´s just a kid.

But yeah guns are legal in Sweden, but I don´t think the criminals care if it is or not, they get their Uzi´s and Kalashnikovs anyway. It happens sometimes that a tourist bus from the Balkans is stopped and searched and that they find stuff like that. But most busses are not stopped so who knows how many illegal weapons there are in Sweden, I´ve heard an estimate of 10.000. And there is more than one million legal ones atleast, but these are usually not used in crimes, but it´s those illegal ones.

[redhawk_six]

We have a bunch of SWAT team here in the U.S. I think Los Angeles and Chicago SWAT teams are pretty bad ass considering the kind of work environment they are in.
Well, I am not an expert and I have see a lot of tv program and websites about the U.S State SWAT and I am not impressed. The US state SWAT are still cops. The FBI Swat are diffrent. They a really elite team and know there job well. The swedish SWAT, FBI Swat e.t.c are more like military units. That's the diffrent between US City/state SWAT and FBI swat and the swedish swat.

For fakk sake man, stop being such an embarrassment to your country and get your act together.

1.) Ordinary cops can use MP5´s and so forth as well.

http://www.hkpro.com/hkaction-sweden.jpg
Possibly a ordinary cop just standing guard (could be Piketen).

2.) There is not only one swedish SWAT. Each district has its own, (Piketen from the french word "piquet") that are bad ass cops doing ordinary patrols and so forth, but also have as their main objectives to arrest dangerous (armed) persons, riot control, escort of important documents (money) and persons and so forth. Doing that more ordinary stuff they usually patrol in a squad.





3.) NI = Nationella Insatsstyrkan is a small nationwide unit that is a fulltime anti-terrorist force.


NI and local mafia.

4.) The reserve police (Beredskapspolisen), that should not be confused
with SWAT despite their fancy equipment.

5.) With the huge crime rate in US and the numbers of murders and other crimes the US SWAT teams are probably the most experienced in the world.
Eh No. Sweden has almost the same crimerate as the U.S.
1) The U.S City/state Swat is like our local SWAT called Piketen.

2) the ONI (Nationella insatsstyrkan) are our federal SWAT team. ONI are more like the FBI Swat team.

P.S I Saw the program about the U.S Swat on both american and swedish channels.

For crying out loud...

Sweden DOES NOT have the same crime rate as the US! Take it from me, you know very little on law enforcment. I studied criminology for 2 years, and I can tell you with 100% confidence that the US has a higher crime rate than Sweden, and that US SWAT teams are NOT sub-standard compared to European SWAT teams, their role and orginziation is just a little diffrent.

[Parzival]

We have a bunch of SWAT team here in the U.S. I think Los Angeles and Chicago SWAT teams are pretty bad ass considering the kind of work environment they are in.
Well, I am not an expert and I have see a lot of tv program and websites about the U.S State SWAT and I am not impressed. The US state SWAT are still cops. The FBI Swat are diffrent. They a really elite team and know there job well. The swedish SWAT, FBI Swat e.t.c are more like military units. That's the diffrent between US City/state SWAT and FBI swat and the swedish swat.

For fakk sake man, stop being such an embarrassment to your country and get your act together.

1.) Ordinary cops can use MP5´s and so forth as well.

http://www.hkpro.com/hkaction-sweden.jpg
Possibly a ordinary cop just standing guard (could be Piketen).

2.) There is not only one swedish SWAT. Each district has its own, (Piketen from the french word "piquet") that are bad ass cops doing ordinary patrols and so forth, but also have as their main objectives to arrest dangerous (armed) persons, riot control, escort of important documents (money) and persons and so forth. Doing that more ordinary stuff they usually patrol in a squad.





3.) NI = Nationella Insatsstyrkan is a small nationwide unit that is a fulltime anti-terrorist force.


NI and local mafia.

4.) The reserve police (Beredskapspolisen), that should not be confused
with SWAT despite their fancy equipment.

5.) With the huge crime rate in US and the numbers of murders and other crimes the US SWAT teams are probably the most experienced in the world.
Eh No. Sweden has almost the same crimerate as the U.S.
1) The U.S City/state Swat is like our local SWAT called Piketen.

2) the ONI (Nationella insatsstyrkan) are our federal SWAT team. ONI are more like the FBI Swat team.

P.S I Saw the program about the U.S Swat on both american and swedish channels.

For crying out loud...

Sweden DOES NOT have the same crime rate as the US! Take it from me, you know very little on law enforcment. I studied criminology for 2 years, and I can tell you with 100% confidence that the US has a higher crime rate than Sweden, and that US SWAT teams are NOT sub-standard compared to European SWAT teams, their role and orginziation is just a little diffrent.
Well, No, but almost. Of caurse I am not an expert but check this:
Sweden has over 200 murders at year. The New York with 5 million more inhabitans has 400 murder at year.
This might be wrong, as i said I am not an expert.

And musmato, Whata F**** is wrong with you?
Can you pleas stop complain over peapole with a diffrent opinion.

[memphiz]

Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) Emergency Response Team(ERT)
they are based all over Canada
http://www.imageshack.us/files/ert-main-e.jpg
http://www.rcmp.ca/ert/images/ert2.jpg
http://www.rcmp.ca/ert/images/ert4.jpg
http://www.rcmp.ca/ert/images/ert3.jpg
http://www.rcmp.ca/ert/images/ert6.jpg
http://www.rcmp.ca/ert/images/ert5.jpg
http://www.rcmp.ca/ert/images/ert1.jpg
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http://www.rcmp.ca/ert/images/vehicle.jpg
http://www.rcmp.ca/ert/images/scenario.jpg
http://www.rcmp.ca/ert/images/pose.jpg
http://www.rcmp.ca/ert/images/field.jpg
http://www.imageshack.us/files/wall%20decent.jpg

Ottawa Canada
Possibly JTF-2 in the green vests
http://www.imageshack.us/files/3machineguns.jpg
http://www.imageshack.us/files/6qy4ru.jpg
http://www.imageshack.us/files/mp5.cop.laurier.jpg
http://www.imageshack.us/files/ottawa%20riot.jpg

Toronto's ETF(Emergency Task Force)
http://www.imageshack.us/files/etf_1b.jpg

Edmonton (EPS)SWAT
http://www.neweagle.com/ne2/ne-ads-pages/images/eps-winterops-tacedge.jpg
http://www.neweagle.com/ne2/ne-ads-pages/images/eps_tacedgesumr01.jpg
http://www.neweagle.com/ne2/ne-ads-pages/images/tacedgecvrwintr02.jpg

[redhawk_six]

We have a bunch of SWAT team here in the U.S. I think Los Angeles and Chicago SWAT teams are pretty bad ass considering the kind of work environment they are in.
Well, I am not an expert and I have see a lot of tv program and websites about the U.S State SWAT and I am not impressed. The US state SWAT are still cops. The FBI Swat are diffrent. They a really elite team and know there job well. The swedish SWAT, FBI Swat e.t.c are more like military units. That's the diffrent between US City/state SWAT and FBI swat and the swedish swat.

For fakk sake man, stop being such an embarrassment to your country and get your act together.

1.) Ordinary cops can use MP5´s and so forth as well.

http://www.hkpro.com/hkaction-sweden.jpg
Possibly a ordinary cop just standing guard (could be Piketen).

2.) There is not only one swedish SWAT. Each district has its own, (Piketen from the french word "piquet") that are bad ass cops doing ordinary patrols and so forth, but also have as their main objectives to arrest dangerous (armed) persons, riot control, escort of important documents (money) and persons and so forth. Doing that more ordinary stuff they usually patrol in a squad.





3.) NI = Nationella Insatsstyrkan is a small nationwide unit that is a fulltime anti-terrorist force.


NI and local mafia.

4.) The reserve police (Beredskapspolisen), that should not be confused
with SWAT despite their fancy equipment.

5.) With the huge crime rate in US and the numbers of murders and other crimes the US SWAT teams are probably the most experienced in the world.
Eh No. Sweden has almost the same crimerate as the U.S.
1) The U.S City/state Swat is like our local SWAT called Piketen.

2) the ONI (Nationella insatsstyrkan) are our federal SWAT team. ONI are more like the FBI Swat team.

P.S I Saw the program about the U.S Swat on both american and swedish channels.

For crying out loud...

Sweden DOES NOT have the same crime rate as the US! Take it from me, you know very little on law enforcment. I studied criminology for 2 years, and I can tell you with 100% confidence that the US has a higher crime rate than Sweden, and that US SWAT teams are NOT sub-standard compared to European SWAT teams, their role and orginziation is just a little diffrent.
Well, No, but almost. Of caurse I am not an expert but check this:
Sweden has over 200 murders at year. The New York with 5 million more inhabitans has 400 murder at year.
This might be wrong, as i said I am not an expert.

And musmato, Whata F**** is wrong with you?
Can you pleas stop complain over peapole with a diffrent opinion.

If it was a matter of opinion, that would be one thing, but you are trying to pass off false info as pure, true, fact.

NY, is just one city in an entire nation, there are 400 murders a year in NY, yes, but there are thousands a year in the US overall. So yes, the crime rate of NEW YORK is only a little higher than Sweden, but the crime rate of the US is much, much higher.

@memphiz: Guys in the green, don't think they're JTF, JTF uses custom made black vests if you look at their site. Maybe OPP, or RCMP? Or parliment security team? (which would be RCMP come to think of it.....)

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[Parzival]

We have a bunch of SWAT team here in the U.S. I think Los Angeles and Chicago SWAT teams are pretty bad ass considering the kind of work environment they are in.
Well, I am not an expert and I have see a lot of tv program and websites about the U.S State SWAT and I am not impressed. The US state SWAT are still cops. The FBI Swat are diffrent. They a really elite team and know there job well. The swedish SWAT, FBI Swat e.t.c are more like military units. That's the diffrent between US City/state SWAT and FBI swat and the swedish swat.

For fakk sake man, stop being such an embarrassment to your country and get your act together.

1.) Ordinary cops can use MP5´s and so forth as well.

http://www.hkpro.com/hkaction-sweden.jpg
Possibly a ordinary cop just standing guard (could be Piketen).

2.) There is not only one swedish SWAT. Each district has its own, (Piketen from the french word "piquet") that are bad ass cops doing ordinary patrols and so forth, but also have as their main objectives to arrest dangerous (armed) persons, riot control, escort of important documents (money) and persons and so forth. Doing that more ordinary stuff they usually patrol in a squad.





3.) NI = Nationella Insatsstyrkan is a small nationwide unit that is a fulltime anti-terrorist force.


NI and local mafia.

4.) The reserve police (Beredskapspolisen), that should not be confused
with SWAT despite their fancy equipment.

5.) With the huge crime rate in US and the numbers of murders and other crimes the US SWAT teams are probably the most experienced in the world.
Eh No. Sweden has almost the same crimerate as the U.S.
1) The U.S City/state Swat is like our local SWAT called Piketen.

2) the ONI (Nationella insatsstyrkan) are our federal SWAT team. ONI are more like the FBI Swat team.

P.S I Saw the program about the U.S Swat on both american and swedish channels.

For crying out loud...

Sweden DOES NOT have the same crime rate as the US! Take it from me, you know very little on law enforcment. I studied criminology for 2 years, and I can tell you with 100% confidence that the US has a higher crime rate than Sweden, and that US SWAT teams are NOT sub-standard compared to European SWAT teams, their role and orginziation is just a little diffrent.
Well, No, but almost. Of caurse I am not an expert but check this:
Sweden has over 200 murders at year. The New York with 5 million more inhabitans has 400 murder at year.
This might be wrong, as i said I am not an expert.

And musmato, Whata F**** is wrong with you?
Can you pleas stop complain over peapole with a diffrent opinion.

If it was a matter of opinion, that would be one thing, but you are trying to pass off false info as pure, true, fact.

NY, is just one city in an entire nation, there are 400 murders a year in NY, yes, but there are thousands a year in the US overall. So yes, the crime rate of NEW YORK is only a little higher than Sweden, but the crime rate of the US is much, much higher.

@memphiz: Guys in the green, don't think they're JTF, JTF uses custom made black vests if you look at their site. Maybe OPP, or RCMP? Or parliment security team? (which would be RCMP come to think of it.....)
Yea, you right.
But It must be a higher crime rate in Big citys. I mean, Is not often peapole killing each other on the country. (In sweden) . The most of the murder are put in the relation to Gangwars and the Mafia well to criminals in Sweden. But i have very hard to belive that small city have a higher crime rate then Big Citys in the USA.

[CX20]

"Well, I am not an expert and I have see a lot of tv program and websites about the U.S State SWAT and I am not impressed. The US state SWAT are still cops. The FBI Swat are diffrent. They a really elite team and know there job well. The swedish SWAT, FBI Swat e.t.c are more like military units. That's the diffrent between US City/state SWAT and FBI swat and the swedish swat"

"And musmato, Whata F**** is wrong with you?
Can you pleas stop complain over peapole with a diffrent opinion."

No, as far as I can see people aren't complaining because you have a different opinion. Their're complaining because what you are saying is ill informed, without truth, immature, disrespectful to the acutal officers concerned and basically just downright full of crap. You've watched some TV shows and you think you know how proficient a unit is and how it compares to other units? Grow up and get some sense.

I actually serve on a police unit specialising in this field, and have gone overseas and trained with several US police tactical units in cities such as New York City, to name only one. They were some of the most professional officers I have ever met, and I didn't have to get all excited over a Discovery Channel documentary to learn that. The police units see more "real jobs" than the federal agency (FBI, ATF etc) units do - FACT. In US police circles, the police units are generally more respected and experienced than the federal ones, due to their "street time" on the job. Federal units only have two differences - the amount of money available to them, and the wider jurisdiction that they have. But experience and "street time" are far more invaluable and count for much more in police circles.

But of course, if this isn't on one of your Discovery shows, it can't be true, can it?

[Helly]

Here few pics of Italian Carabinieri G.I.S. (Gruppo Intervento Speciale - Specia Intervetion Group):
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Steyr AUG with ACOG and 2 H&K PSG-1

I believe the sniper rifle in the middle is an Accuracy International Arctic Warfare and not an H&K PSG-1. Note the stock and the bolt handle.

Anyway, great pics! :)

[Parzival]

"Well, I am not an expert and I have see a lot of tv program and websites about the U.S State SWAT and I am not impressed. The US state SWAT are still cops. The FBI Swat are diffrent. They a really elite team and know there job well. The swedish SWAT, FBI Swat e.t.c are more like military units. That's the diffrent between US City/state SWAT and FBI swat and the swedish swat"

"And musmato, Whata F**** is wrong with you?
Can you pleas stop complain over peapole with a diffrent opinion."

No, as far as I can see people aren't complaining because you have a different opinion. Their're complaining because what you are saying is ill informed, without truth, immature, disrespectful to the acutal officers concerned and basically just downright full of crap. You've watched some TV shows and you think you know how proficient a unit is and how it compares to other units? Grow up and get some sense.

I actually serve on a police unit specialising in this field, and have gone overseas and trained with several US police tactical units in cities such as New York City, to name only one. They were some of the most professional officers I have ever met, and I didn't have to get all excited over a Discovery Channel documentary to learn that. The police units see more "real jobs" than the federal agency (FBI, ATF etc) units do - FACT. In US police circles, the police units are generally more respected and experienced than the federal ones, due to their "street time" on the job. Federal units only have two differences - the amount of money available to them, and the wider jurisdiction that they have. But experience and "street time" are far more invaluable and count for much more in police circles.

But of course, if this isn't on one of your Discovery shows, it can't be true, can it?
No. I think the traning are the most importent. Of caurse expierence ar importent too, but traning are still most importent to make a good SWAT team. That is just what i think, I am not an expert.
And how can you say the NY officer are more respected, have you work with them?
And FBI are the elite of the US police. If you are a good officer you might advance to FBI Agent. They don't take FBI Agents from the streets, only the best can be an FBI Agent.

[Frens]

Here few pics of Italian Carabinieri G.I.S. (Gruppo Intervento Speciale - Specia Intervetion Group):
http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/Italy/gis.jpg
Steyr AUG with ACOG and 2 H&K PSG-1

I believe the sniper rifle in the middle is an Accuracy International Arctic Warfare and not an H&K PSG-1. Note the stock and the bolt handle.

Anyway, great pics! :)

I agree with you! sorry :oops:

[Truthsayer]

No. I think the traning are the most importent. Of caurse expierence ar importent too, but traning are still most importent to make a good SWAT team. That is just what i think, I am not an expert.
And how can you say the NY officer are more respected, have you work with them?
And FBI are the elite of the US police. If you are a good officer you might advance to FBI Agent. They don't take FBI Agents from the streets, only the best can be an FBI Agent.

For crying outloud...

[Uninen]

Enjoy them :D

Thanks man..

For host url..

;)

I also got me a one from there..

;)

[Parzival]

No. I think the traning are the most importent. Of caurse expierence ar importent too, but traning are still most importent to make a good SWAT team. That is just what i think, I am not an expert.
And how can you say the NY officer are more respected, have you work with them?
And FBI are the elite of the US police. If you are a good officer you might advance to FBI Agent. They don't take FBI Agents from the streets, only the best can be an FBI Agent.

For crying outloud...
Ehmm, what?

[EYE SPY]

i was born in New York, raised in New York, left new york for quite a many years and have since returned to new york.

the murder statistics for new york for 2003 are just under 600 murders.

do not talk about stuff you no nothing about.

Your know it all atitude is insulting, annoying and embarrasing to your countrymen.

Sweden is by far nothing like the United states. In your country teenagers get drunk, listen to death metal, pretend to be Vikings and sometimes go around burning churches.

In my country, let alone my city, Kindergarteners come to school with bags of marijuana, loaded pistols, submachine guns, rifles and probably in the future, laser guns.

Come to any neighborhood in my Brooklyn, and you will run for your life back to your socialist paradise in Sweden.

It doesnt matter how many, Eastern European or Balkan immigrants come to your country with guns, Sweden is still a very safe country to be in.

All you know about SWAT teams, military units and such is false. You pretend to be in the know about things just because you read about them in some magazine that exagerrates the truth, or just plain lies Or you read a novel by some turd like Tom Clancy( who has a very active imagination), or purpotedly non-fiction militaria book which rarely represent what really happened. You watch your movies, and tv "documentaries" and you think your the be all and end all off real combat.

Furthermore ,you hang around likeminded stooges who are likewise deluded, because they read the same books, watched the same shows and hung out with the same ignorant little boys you do.

The NYPD ESU is by far one of the best SWAT units in the world, ditto with the LAPD SWAT and countless other big city CQ units. NYPD ESU has been involved in countless terror operations over the past decade, since the original WTC attack, many of their exploits are not public and rightly so. Some are publicized.

It is so annoying to see, people writing such nonsense over and over again. Like the cheerleaders fawning over the marginally improved 6.8 round, or G-36 series or some crazy Russian glorifying thuggery.
Its as if this website is where all the military posers at socnet come to after being banned, or all the losers who left the black flag cafe because of their outright nonsense.

In summation,
1)Municipal Police SWAT forces are generally better than military, due to the preponderence of experienced members of such units.

2)American, British & Russian military special forces are generally better than any German, Italian, Scandinavian or Japanese special forces, since the latter countries rarely used them, will probably never really use them to their full potential outside of a few dozen men in Afghanistan and the Balkans.

3) the APLP 5.56 BMT round is far superior than the 6.8 which has marginally better ballistics than the current 5.56 NATo.

4) the G36 is nothing more than a marginal improvement over the AR series.

5) The MP-5, P-90 and MP-7 are nothing more than popguns, and in the future when enemy forces will be able to afford better body armor it will be the man with the Rifle that will come on top.

6)the xm-8 is nothing more than the same bs politics our Pentagon plays, not wanting to insult foreigners and their stock holders, teh Pentagon is throwing HK a bone by buying the xm-8 since the OICW has turned out to be more pie in the sky techonolgy. I wonder how many bird colenels and generals we will see on HK's board of directors or consultants after the first few batches of m-8s come to frontline units.

there is so much more than can be said, but i doubt it would make any impression on most here, since they belive what they are told since, thats what Soldier of Fortune Magazine prints, or History Channel shows, or the Pentagon publication relations unit releases.

Rant over..

[mustamato]

In your country teenagers get drunk, listen to death metal, pretend to be Vikings and sometimes go around burning churches.

rofl

I don´t really disagree. I checked the swedish murders of 2003 up in the
statistics, of the 1 250 509 crimes that came to the swedish polish
knowledge last year in Sweden, 195 were murders. The difference
between Sweden and New York is probably not that there is more violence
in each case per capita in New York, rather just that each case of violence
is more violent. While a boyfriend with a cheating girlfriend in Sweden just
whoops their ass, in US the boyfriend probably shoots them. But maybe
if the swede had a gun he maybe would have shot them too.

And personally I don´t think that the "swedish swedes" is the problem, it´s
rather the foreigners in Sweden, mainly from the Balkans. They have a
another culture, the albanians have their "macho vendetta"-culture, and
to have a weapon (which can easily be smuggled into Sweden) is a pride.
They are also represented in the crime statistics quite highly. While the
less severe crimes they commit simply don´t come to the police knowledge
and thus can´t be found in the statistics.

[Vytiambergas]

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[Gauntlet]

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Thats a new one. Who ever though of SWATs using bows and arrows?

[elguapo]

Brazilian Federal police training in Germany with GSG9


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other pics from the unit

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[Parzival]

i was born in New York, raised in New York, left new york for quite a many years and have since returned to new york.

the murder statistics for new york for 2003 are just under 600 murders.

do not talk about stuff you no nothing about.

Your know it all atitude is insulting, annoying and embarrasing to your countrymen.

Sweden is by far nothing like the United states. In your country teenagers get drunk, listen to death metal, pretend to be Vikings and sometimes go around burning churches.


Come to any neighborhood in my Brooklyn, and you will run for your life back to your socialist paradise in Sweden.




The NYPD ESU is by far one of the best SWAT units in the world, ditto with the LAPD SWAT and countless other big city CQ units. NYPD ESU has been involved in countless terror operations over the past decade, since the original WTC attack, many of their exploits are not public and rightly so. Some are publicized.



In summation,
1)Municipal Police SWAT forces are generally better than military, due to the preponderence of experienced members of such units.

2)American, British & Russian military special forces are generally better than any German, Italian, Scandinavian or Japanese special forces, since the latter countries rarely used them, will probably never really use them to their full potential outside of a few dozen men in Afghanistan and the Balkans.


Rant over..
Sorry, - I think you talk a lot of bullsith.
the ONI (Our federal SWAT team) has a lot of expirence, we use them very,very often. You can read about them in our newspaper every week. They have capture a gangster,mafiamember our save peapole from a hostagessituation.

And we do not burn churchs in Sweden. I have check the statistic for N.Y and you got 400 murders at year in NY.

And I live in a "hard" suburb. I have run for my life and I have been rob a few times. And sometimes peapole in Sweden comes to the school with guns too. A boy was shoot in a toilet in my brothers school for a years ago for example.

our schools is a disaster. The students has no diciplined here.
When I was a kidd we often been attack and attack other school on the winter to have "Snowball-war". But actually it was a real battlefield. We fight with our own hands and sometimes guys got hand-weapons with them. Like knuck-dusster or sticks.
I don't know what we were thinking, maybe we just wanna play war.
And I remember it really feelt like war. Two of my friends broke there nose when the "enemy" smash them.

We attack, retreat, attack again, retreat e.t.c. And when the "enemy" were to many and we fall back one guy of our team fall. And the guys from the other school punched him until they realised him. We only stop fight when the Police came or the headmaster of our school.

The Us, british or russian special forces doesn't have to be a better SF than the swedish for example.
The Swedish SF Called SSG have been in Afghanistan 2002 and Congo 2003 so they have there expirence too.

[EYE SPY]

go download adobe acrobat reader if you havent, and go to this link

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/pdf/chfdept/cscity.pdf

now, dont tell me **** about the crime statistics of my city, second it is common knowledge that you scandanavian pricks are bored little suburban sissies.

Your little story about your playground war was mildly entertaining at least.

you have proved my assumption that you are a little whiny douche with war fantassies. You think your little playground horseplay is real combat and war.

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"our schools is a disaster. The students has no diciplined here.
When I was a kidd we often been attack and attack other school on the winter to have "Snowball-war". But actually it was a real battlefield. We fight with our own hands and sometimes guys got hand-weapons with them. Like knuck-dusster or sticks.
I don't know what we were thinking, maybe we just wanna play war.
And I remember it really feelt like war. Two of my friends broke there nose when the "enemy" smash them. "

How in the fuk do you know anything about real battlefields and what war really felt like. basically you got your ass kicked in a snowball fight, and some kids didnt play fair. thats all your telling me.

ooh, sorry, it might have been norweigens that went around burning churches. My mistake comparing Swedes to Norweigens is like comparing Eskimos to Nigerians, i forgot about the nuances.

maybe you should learn to read and comprehend before you write some dumbass childish remark.
I said sweden did send a few troops to Afghanistan. sorry i forgot about Congo, please forgive me before you send Gustavus Adolphus after me.

Yes, the mafia, the albanian mafia. the fee fi fo fum Albanians. You know what my grandmother was a kosovar albanian. ive lived around a few albanians.

Albanians are stupid, loud, obnoxious, boorish and have some of the worst cuisine in the world. Big fukin deal. occasionally your little toy soldiers apprehend an albanian.

NYPD has been dealing with Albanians since the 1900's. Albanians are traditionally the pizza boys for Italian pizzarias, bouncers for mafia strip clubs and hired guns for mafia assasinations. Big deal.

[mustamato]

You know what my grandmother was a kosovar albanian. ive lived around a few albanians.

Explains a lot rofl

[EYE SPY]

if you thought the albanian part explains alot i think youll find this even more hilarious. im 3/4 Turkish.

Now lets see all them lovely Germans, Austrians and Scandanavians with their turkish jokes.

im as much turkish as George Bush is English, or John McCain is Irish.

[Parzival]

go download adobe acrobat reader if you havent, and go to this link

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/pdf/chfdept/cscity.pdf

now, dont tell me **** about the crime statistics of my city, second it is common knowledge that you scandanavian pricks are bored little suburban sissies.

Your little story about your playground war was mildly entertaining at least.

you have proved my assumption that you are a little whiny douche with war fantassies. You think your little playground horseplay is real combat and war.

quote

"our schools is a disaster. The students has no diciplined here.
When I was a kidd we often been attack and attack other school on the winter to have "Snowball-war". But actually it was a real battlefield. We fight with our own hands and sometimes guys got hand-weapons with them. Like knuck-dusster or sticks.
I don't know what we were thinking, maybe we just wanna play war.
And I remember it really feelt like war. Two of my friends broke there nose when the "enemy" smash them. "

How in the fuk do you know anything about real battlefields and what war really felt like. basically you got your ass kicked in a snowball fight, and some kids didnt play fair. thats all your telling me.

ooh, sorry, it might have been norweigens that went around burning churches. My mistake comparing Swedes to Norweigens is like comparing Eskimos to Nigerians, i forgot about the nuances.

maybe you should learn to read and comprehend before you write some dumbass childish remark.
I said sweden did send a few troops to Afghanistan. sorry i forgot about Congo, please forgive me before you send Gustavus Adolphus after me.

Yes, the mafia, the albanian mafia. the fee fi fo fum Albanians. You know what my grandmother was a kosovar albanian. ive lived around a few albanians.

Albanians are stupid, loud, obnoxious, boorish and have some of the worst cuisine in the world. Big fukin deal. occasionally your little toy soldiers apprehend an albanian.

NYPD has been dealing with Albanians since the 1900's. Albanians are traditionally the pizza boys for Italian pizzarias, bouncers for mafia strip clubs and hired guns for mafia assasinations. Big deal.
Why aren't you listen?
When I were a kidd for 8 years ago or something like that, it feelt like war.
I am not going in that school now.
What do you know about Sweden, you even never been here. So don't talk ****.
I read the murder statistic in our newpaper over the US. It was a list over citys and murders. And maybe you should read a real newpaper and not The Playboy magazine or Hip-hop News. I think the US arym and Police are the most ovverated in the world as my grandmother health is.

[mustamato]

if you thought the albanian part explains alot i think youll find this even more hilarious. im 3/4 Turkish.

What´s the news? Why do you think the serbs call you turks?

Personally I consider albanians to be the worst scum on the earth. So I will not waste any more of my time with you.

[EYE SPY]

Vacon, your an idiot. The US Army over all is the best army in the world. One vs. One the US military machine has incredible overmatch over anybody, including your grandmother.

I agree, albanians are scum.

however i do not consider myself albanian, nor even a turk. If pressed, yes i am a Turk, and i dont give a **** what a slavic serb scumbag says. albanians are not turks, Turks are turks.

Talk about a retarded society. Serbs still cant get over the battle of Mohacs 5 centuries ago.

Dont bs me with your politics. It is common knowledge that Scandanavians, germans and Russians always sided with the Serbs in the south especially when it came to Serbian versus Albanian or Bosnian Muslim. the only exception is teh Croats. Maybe its because the Ustache are were Balkan Nazi's.

[Parzival]

Vacon, your an idiot. The US Army over all is the best army in the world. One vs. One the US military machine has incredible overmatch over anybody, including your grandmother.

I agree, albanians are scum.

however i do not consider myself albanian, nor even a turk. If pressed, yes i am a Turk, and i dont give a f*** what a slavic serb scumbag says. albanians are not turks, Turks are turks.

Talk about a retarded society. Serbs still cant get over the battle of Mohacs 5 centuries ago.

Dont bs me with your politics. It is common knowledge that Scandanavians, germans and Russians always sided with the Serbs in the south especially when it came to Serbian versus Albanian or Bosnian Muslim. the only exception is teh Croats. Maybe its because the Ustache are were Balkan Nazi's.Well. You need a better knowledge about the world.

[Truthsayer]

How much stupidity can one cram into one thread?

Nice company to represent 'us' here..one ignorant fool that likes to lie about everything he can, another one outright racist...nice...

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[EvanL]

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SWAT of China!!!!!!
Man i knew the chinese had vision problems, but this is ridiculous! x x x x xx x x

[DELTAFORCELEADER]

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[DELTAFORCELEADER]

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SWAT of China!!!!!!
Man i knew the chinese had vision problems, but this is ridiculous! x x x x xx x x

vision problems???????ridiculous????????
Why???

[Jack Mehoff]

EvanLloyd wrote:


Man i knew the chinese had vision problems, but this is ridiculous! x x x x xx x x


Are you stupid or just plain old ignorance?

And stop ****ing quoting every pictures

[Seoulstriker]

chinese people aren't squinty, that's just how they look. :roll:

[usa320]

I think the US probably has the best SWAT teams in the world.

The FBI's HRT is very skilled, and as earlier stated, they face the same training that delta and devgru do.

Also, LAPD SWAT is probably the best conventional swat team in the world. They have the best gear, the best training...

NYPD also has a good Special Operations unit, as does the DC Metro PD.

Also notable is the park police special unit in DC, Chicago PD and the Pentagon's police service.

[Ratamacue]

I've heard that Dallas also has a very skilled SWAT team as well.

[mustamato]

I´ve heard that the equipment and training is quite similar all over the world.
I mean, what is the difference between a US SWAT with a MP5xx and a kevlar
helmet and some dude outside US with the exact same thing? Experience is one
thing yes. But you are talking about "best in the world just because they are from
USA... and oh yes they also have eerh good equipment and eeerh some training".

___________________________

http://www.shenzhong.net/bbs/forum/UploadFile/20042110204523622.jpg
http://www.sinodefence.com/army/individual/submachine_79.asp

Probably a lovely submachine gun. With a weight of under 2 kg!

[Jack Mehoff]

Good training comes from experience. Why you ask? Because you learn from your experience and implement them in training for the future. At least we all know that U.S. SWAT team are rightfully employed

[mustamato]

Good training comes from experience. Why you ask? Because you implement what you learn from your experience and put them in training for the future.

Honestly I don´t think that the units outside US just sit on their asses all
day long and just beg that nothing will happen. They train, train, and train.
And for law enforcement there is not that same hiding of tactics and stuff
as in the military. I´m quite confident in that the experience gained by
US SWAT teams is known outside US as well. And oh Jack. There is crime
outside US as well.

[Jack Mehoff]

musthaveforgotmymedication,

I know that there are crimes in Sweden but with what? I bet if a man running around with a pocket knife threaten to kill people then he probably be in 10 o'clock news all over Scandanavia.

[Seoulstriker]

i think it best to compare individual units. as has been stated before, FBI HRT is simply incredible in what it does. but i'm sure there are foreign units which are comparable.

is GSG-9 SWAT?

[mustamato]

musthaveforgotmymedication,

I know that there are crimes in Sweden but with what? I bet if a man running around with a pocket knife threaten to kill people then he probably be in 10 o'clock news all over Scandanavia.

Since you didn´t see them the first time I post them again. From HKpro.com. Read the captions.

http://www.hkpro.com/action5swedbus.jpg
Police in Gothenburg, Sweden search a bus for a 20 year old suspect who
stole an automatic rifle from an enlisted Swedish soldier.

http://www.hkpro.com/action6swed1.jpg
Swedish police have two robbers in custody. The perpetrators robbed a
post office in Uppsala, Sweden, but were apprehended by the Swedish
police after they crashed a stolen car into a tree.

http://www.hkpro.com/action6swedmp5.jpg
Yesterday (Saturday) afternoon, local time the Swedish Police National
Taskforce apprehended eight heavily armed criminals at a Hotel in the
Swedish city of Falun. The eight criminals were attending a meeting set
up by two rival gangs to solve disputes on territory and business. After a
long period of surveillance the Swedish Police decided that the danger for
innocent bystanders was too great after receiving information that
several of the suspects were heavily armed. 20 officers from the
National Taskforce, backed up by local police made the entry at about
15.00 hours local time. Flash-Bang grenades and blank ammo were used
to distract the suspects. A total of four handguns, one shotgun, one
submachine gun/assault rifle and one hand grenade were found during
the body search of the apprehended suspects - subsequently linked by
video evidence to each person.

[Jack Mehoff]

I probably flood the board if i post every stories involving U.S. SWAT vs mad gunmen for this year alone. It's not something that i should be proud of but it's a fact

[mustamato]

I probably flood the board if i post every stories involving U.S. SWAT vs mad gunmen for this year alone. It's not something that i should be proud of but it's a fact

Then again US has more than 25 bigger population. But now you atlast know that
nasty stuff happen in Sweden as well. And then you can of course add the neighbouring
countries and the rest of Europe. Trading experiences and stuff like that is everyday
business within EU, and well the whole world, within Interpol.

[Jack Mehoff]

You must be pretty dumb or stupid if you think anywhere in Sweden is as bad as some ghetto in Los Angeles or Chicago and other major American cities. I'd rather be A-Stan right now than risking my life patrolling the mean street of LA. It's quite easy to purchase illegal weapon in black market for cheap. Hell, 50% or more people in my state own firearms.

[mustamato]

You must be pretty dumb or stupid if you think anywhere in Sweden is as bad as some ghetto in Los Angeles or Chicago and other major American cities. Especially when you can purchase illegal weapon in black market for cheap. Hell, 50% or more people in my state own firearms.

And when did I say that Sweden was as failed as US economically? :)
I´m talking about that are our SWAT-teams have proper training as well,
and that experiences gained in the US are used here as well. Maybe your
point is that our police officers don´t do anything to get experience
individually?

[Jack Mehoff]

So, Sweden SWAT teams send their team to America to learn from the expert?

[OnTheRocks]

musthaveforgotmymedication,

I know that there are crimes in Sweden but with what? I bet if a man running around with a pocket knife threaten to kill people then he probably be in 10 o'clock news all over Scandanavia.

Actually, thats true to an extent, and its pretty sad aswell. I dunno if its like that in th US, but we get alot of people here that get stoned on valium or whatever and shot a couple of shots with their pelletgun from their balcony and we call in out "oh so revered SWAT teams" and seal of the entire block and it gets hyped quite a bit on the six o clock news. It just seems like the "ordinary" police should be able to handle situations like that.

However, where I live (malmö), we have the most segregation in all of europe when it comes to imigrants and swedes, so sometimes there are entire families of well over 20 people slugging it out in the streets with another 20 people from another family with knives, guns and even running eachother over with cars. Luckily that doesn't happen very often.

Another big problem we have is that people steal AK5's and sometimes even AT4's from military storages and empty a magazine into a restaurant for one reason or another, luckily they tend not to hit that many peolpe if anybody at all.

[Jack Mehoff]

Seriously, how do they even get their hand on military hardwares in the first place? Even if they do, where do they get the ammo? Don't you guys have ammo count before getting off the range? I know the armory room for my company has a 5-inch steel door, concrete wall and with anti-theft alarm system.

[OnTheRocks]

Well, I didnt really point this out, but people dont take the guns & ammo whilst they're doing the military service, naturally this might have happened aswell, but I suppose that its quite easy to get a hold of the location for the storages since alot of people that have done the service know where they are. Also the security in those places isn't exactly top notch either. No 5'' steel doors.
Since they're located in very desolate places theres nobody around untill its too late to prevent it from happening.

Also the majority of the people that do steal from these are in gangs that are into organized crime here, like the Hells Angels and so on and not former conscripts.

[mustamato]

So, Sweden SWAT teams send their team to America to learn from the expert?

Well I´m not a cop, but I assume that they don´t send their teams to
US for training. But judging from the equipment the swedish SWAT-teams
use, or Piketen (each districts) and NI (nation-wide), they sure seem to
be influenced by the US SWAT teams. Probably also in their tactics. Note
the equipment and so forth on the pics below, change to flag to a US one
and there is not much difference.

http://www.polisman.com/gfx/foto/ni3.jpg
NI

http://www.polisman.com/gfx/foto/ni.jpg
NI

http://www.polisman.com/gfx/foto/piketpolis_02.jpg
Piketen

http://www.polisman.com/gfx/foto/piket2.jpg
Piketen

http://www.beredskapspolisen.org/bildgalleri_np2002/qdig-converted/med_np2002_17.jpg
SBP (reserve police)


Seriously, how do they even get their hand on military hardwares in the first place? Even if they do, where do they get the ammo? Don't you guys have ammo count before getting off the range? I know the armory room for my company has a 5-inch steel door, concrete wall and with anti-theft alarm system.

http://www.polisman.com/gfx/foto/shb2.jpg

Some dude with a AK4 in the same moment he is hit with a bullet from a
police sniper (I think it was). AG3/AK4 is quite common in criminals
hands, stolen from the swedish and norweigian homeguard soldiers that
store them in their homes. And the .308 ammunition can easily be
bought in civilian hunting stores. But I guess most of the military
hardware comes from abroad, and are "smuggled" in (well the borders
within EU are not exactly closed). In the Balkans there is a ****load of
weapons from the wars in peoples homes that have ended up here as
well.

But as On The Rocks said, it´s mostly the organized criminals that have
stuff like this. Albanian (and other ethnic) mafia, Hells Angels (and
Bandidos of course, but it´s peace between them now) and people like
that.

http://www.philaord.com/images/products/SWEDKA-mast.jpg
Probably the most common among the illegal military smallarms in
criminal hands in Sweden today, old but still good K-pist m/45(A and B)

[StarvingStudent47]

Personally I consider albanians to be the worst scum on the earth. So I will not waste any more of my time with you.

Classy, Mustamato. Very classy.

At least you're wearing your bigotry on your sleeve nowadays. It's good to be open about it, so people know who they are dealing with.

[StarvingStudent47]

I have no doubt that the LAPD and NYPD have some of the best SWAT teams in the world.

However, not all American SWAT teams are of equal caliber. I can't forget how badly the Denver SWAT team bungled the Columbine High massacre. They refused to enter the building for several hours, "because there were two teenagers with TEK-9s in there." What do you guys have, water pistols? Meanwhile, 15 innocents were being gunned down, one by one. Many people could have been rescued if the police had moved in more quickly--for example, the teacher who was shot held on for about two hours before he bled to death. There had been no shooting for nearly an hour before the SWAT team entered to find that Klebold and Harris had killed themselves. The entire affair was a tragedy and an embarassment.

I'm not saying that European countries automatically have better SWAT teams than the USA. That is not my assertion in the least. I was merely pointing out that talking about "American SWAT teams" is a bit difficult, because there is not one standardized training program.

[BT_Recon]

http://www.polisman.com/gfx/foto/piketpolis_02.jpg

whats the deal with those hoods? :bash: are they trying to cut down their peripheral (spelling) vision or something? :| im not a fan[/img]

[redhawk_six]

http://www.polisman.com/gfx/foto/piketpolis_02.jpg

whats the deal with those hoods? :bash: are they trying to cut down their peripheral (spelling) vision or something? :| im not a fan[/img]

The "hoods", or belaclavas (sp?) do provide some, though very little, protection. The are commonly made from a Kevlar/Nomex blend. The vast majority of SWAT type teams around the world use belaclavas.

[redhawk_six]

i was born in New York, raised in New York, left new york for quite a many years and have since returned to new york.

the murder statistics for new york for 2003 are just under 600 murders.

do not talk about stuff you no nothing about.

Your know it all atitude is insulting, annoying and embarrasing to your countrymen.

Sweden is by far nothing like the United states. In your country teenagers get drunk, listen to death metal, pretend to be Vikings and sometimes go around burning churches.


Come to any neighborhood in my Brooklyn, and you will run for your life back to your socialist paradise in Sweden.




The NYPD ESU is by far one of the best SWAT units in the world, ditto with the LAPD SWAT and countless other big city CQ units. NYPD ESU has been involved in countless terror operations over the past decade, since the original WTC attack, many of their exploits are not public and rightly so. Some are publicized.



In summation,
1)Municipal Police SWAT forces are generally better than military, due to the preponderence of experienced members of such units.

2)American, British & Russian military special forces are generally better than any German, Italian, Scandinavian or Japanese special forces, since the latter countries rarely used them, will probably never really use them to their full potential outside of a few dozen men in Afghanistan and the Balkans.


Rant over..
Sorry, - I think you talk a lot of bullsith.
the ONI (Our federal SWAT team) has a lot of expirence, we use them very,very often. You can read about them in our newspaper every week. They have capture a gangster,mafiamember our save peapole from a hostagessituation.

And we do not burn churchs in Sweden. I have check the statistic for N.Y and you got 400 murders at year in NY.

And I live in a "hard" suburb. I have run for my life and I have been rob a few times. And sometimes peapole in Sweden comes to the school with guns too. A boy was shoot in a toilet in my brothers school for a years ago for example.

our schools is a disaster. The students has no diciplined here.
When I was a kidd we often been attack and attack other school on the winter to have "Snowball-war". But actually it was a real battlefield. We fight with our own hands and sometimes guys got hand-weapons with them. Like knuck-dusster or sticks.
I don't know what we were thinking, maybe we just wanna play war.
And I remember it really feelt like war. Two of my friends broke there nose when the "enemy" smash them.

We attack, retreat, attack again, retreat e.t.c. And when the "enemy" were to many and we fall back one guy of our team fall. And the guys from the other school punched him until they realised him. We only stop fight when the Police came or the headmaster of our school.

The Us, british or russian special forces doesn't have to be a better SF than the swedish for example.
The Swedish SF Called SSG have been in Afghanistan 2002 and Congo 2003 so they have there expirence too.

That's it, I've had with your BS. You know NOTHING about law enforcment, or the military. Just shut the hell up, and listen for once in your short life son. You might actully learn something if you stop being so damn ignorant and arrogent. Watching a couple of TV shows doesn't make you an expert, in fact, it gives you **** all. Right now, all your doing is making yourself, and your country look very stupid. Knock it off, and stop with this "I know everything" attitude. You don't know anything, deal with it!

[Parzival]

i was born in New York, raised in New York, left new york for quite a many years and have since returned to new york.

the murder statistics for new york for 2003 are just under 600 murders.

do not talk about stuff you no nothing about.

Your know it all atitude is insulting, annoying and embarrasing to your countrymen.

Sweden is by far nothing like the United states. In your country teenagers get drunk, listen to death metal, pretend to be Vikings and sometimes go around burning churches.


Come to any neighborhood in my Brooklyn, and you will run for your life back to your socialist paradise in Sweden.




The NYPD ESU is by far one of the best SWAT units in the world, ditto with the LAPD SWAT and countless other big city CQ units. NYPD ESU has been involved in countless terror operations over the past decade, since the original WTC attack, many of their exploits are not public and rightly so. Some are publicized.



In summation,
1)Municipal Police SWAT forces are generally better than military, due to the preponderence of experienced members of such units.

2)American, British & Russian military special forces are generally better than any German, Italian, Scandinavian or Japanese special forces, since the latter countries rarely used them, will probably never really use them to their full potential outside of a few dozen men in Afghanistan and the Balkans.


Rant over..
Sorry, - I think you talk a lot of bullsith.
the ONI (Our federal SWAT team) has a lot of expirence, we use them very,very often. You can read about them in our newspaper every week. They have capture a gangster,mafiamember our save peapole from a hostagessituation.

And we do not burn churchs in Sweden. I have check the statistic for N.Y and you got 400 murders at year in NY.

And I live in a "hard" suburb. I have run for my life and I have been rob a few times. And sometimes peapole in Sweden comes to the school with guns too. A boy was shoot in a toilet in my brothers school for a years ago for example.

our schools is a disaster. The students has no diciplined here.
When I was a kidd we often been attack and attack other school on the winter to have "Snowball-war". But actually it was a real battlefield. We fight with our own hands and sometimes guys got hand-weapons with them. Like knuck-dusster or sticks.
I don't know what we were thinking, maybe we just wanna play war.
And I remember it really feelt like war. Two of my friends broke there nose when the "enemy" smash them.

We attack, retreat, attack again, retreat e.t.c. And when the "enemy" were to many and we fall back one guy of our team fall. And the guys from the other school punched him until they realised him. We only stop fight when the Police came or the headmaster of our school.

The Us, british or russian special forces doesn't have to be a better SF than the swedish for example.
The Swedish SF Called SSG have been in Afghanistan 2002 and Congo 2003 so they have there expirence too.

That's it, I've had with your BS. You know NOTHING about law enforcment, or the military. Just shut the hell up, and listen for once in your short life son. You might actully learn something if you stop being so damn ignorant and arrogent. Watching a couple of TV shows doesn't make you an expert, in fact, it gives you **** all. Right now, all your doing is making yourself, and your country look very stupid. Knock it off, and stop with this "I know everything" attitude. You don't know anything, deal with it!
Why are you ignore what I am trying to say?
I am NOT an expert, you got it?
This is what I tought of the information. The UK, US or russia SF doesn't have to be better then the german, swedish och chinnes SF forces.
You are just arrogant, and you think you know everything. But you Don't. You never even been in Sweden.

[Parzival]

musthaveforgotmymedication,

I know that there are crimes in Sweden but with what? I bet if a man running around with a pocket knife threaten to kill people then he probably be in 10 o'clock news all over Scandanavia.
No, We have a lot of crimes in sweden. The Mafia, Gangs and things like that. I think we have more crimes then a City in the US like Colorado, Boston or Dallas. The new Police bullet are fobidden in war.
I think you should come to Malmö. Malmö has about 500.000 inhabitans and the white Swedish are minority. Over 60% of the inhabitants are black, arabian or chinnese and they are not rich. I promese - You will run as hell. Of caurse is much harder to get a gun in Sweden, So the gangs often use knife. And is harder to kill with a knife then a gun.

[mustamato]

musthaveforgotmymedication,

I know that there are crimes in Sweden but with what? I bet if a man running around with a pocket knife threaten to kill people then he probably be in 10 o'clock news all over Scandanavia.
No, We have a lot of crimes in sweden. The Mafia, Gangs and things like that. I think we have more crimes then a City in the US like Colorado, Boston or Dallas. The new Police bullet are fobidden in war.
I think you should come to Malmö. Malmö has about 500.000 inhabitans and the white Swedish are minority. Over 60% of the inhabitants are black, arabian or chinnese and they are not rich. I promese - You will run as hell. Of caurse is much harder to get a gun in Sweden, So the gangs often use knife. And is harder to kill with a knife then a gun.

Most you? Stop speculating and learn something instead:

http://www.scb.se/ <--- Swedish central bureau of statistics. Check the judicial system and the crime rates.

[Parzival]

musthaveforgotmymedication,

I know that there are crimes in Sweden but with what? I bet if a man running around with a pocket knife threaten to kill people then he probably be in 10 o'clock news all over Scandanavia.
No, We have a lot of crimes in sweden. The Mafia, Gangs and things like that. I think we have more crimes then a City in the US like Colorado, Boston or Dallas. The new Police bullet are fobidden in war.
I think you should come to Malmö. Malmö has about 500.000 inhabitans and the white Swedish are minority. Over 60% of the inhabitants are black, arabian or chinnese and they are not rich. I promese - You will run as hell. Of caurse is much harder to get a gun in Sweden, So the gangs often use knife. And is harder to kill with a knife then a gun.

Most you? Stop speculating and learn something instead:

http://www.scb.se/ <--- Swedish central bureau of statistics. Check the judicial system and the crime rates.
No, Check www.bra.se - Brott förebyggande rådet


One more pictures of Piketen SWAT team Stockholm:
http://www.cuff.dk/cuff/erpcop/image212.jpg

[mustamato]

musthaveforgotmymedication,

I know that there are crimes in Sweden but with what? I bet if a man running around with a pocket knife threaten to kill people then he probably be in 10 o'clock news all over Scandanavia.
No, We have a lot of crimes in sweden. The Mafia, Gangs and things like that. I think we have more crimes then a City in the US like Colorado, Boston or Dallas. The new Police bullet are fobidden in war.
I think you should come to Malmö. Malmö has about 500.000 inhabitans and the white Swedish are minority. Over 60% of the inhabitants are black, arabian or chinnese and they are not rich. I promese - You will run as hell. Of caurse is much harder to get a gun in Sweden, So the gangs often use knife. And is harder to kill with a knife then a gun.

Most you? Stop speculating and learn something instead:

http://www.scb.se/ <--- Swedish central bureau of statistics. Check the judicial system and the crime rates.
No, Check www.bra.se - Brott förebyggande rådet

:roll:

And find me those extreme crime rates there then.

[Parzival]

musthaveforgotmymedication,

I know that there are crimes in Sweden but with what? I bet if a man running around with a pocket knife threaten to kill people then he probably be in 10 o'clock news all over Scandanavia.
No, We have a lot of crimes in sweden. The Mafia, Gangs and things like that. I think we have more crimes then a City in the US like Colorado, Boston or Dallas. The new Police bullet are fobidden in war.
I think you should come to Malmö. Malmö has about 500.000 inhabitans and the white Swedish are minority. Over 60% of the inhabitants are black, arabian or chinnese and they are not rich. I promese - You will run as hell. Of caurse is much harder to get a gun in Sweden, So the gangs often use knife. And is harder to kill with a knife then a gun.

Most you? Stop speculating and learn something instead:

http://www.scb.se/ <--- Swedish central bureau of statistics. Check the judicial system and the crime rates.
No, Check www.bra.se - Brott förebyggande rådet

:roll:

And find me those extreme crime rates there then.
Yea, you can do that. www.bra.se

[mustamato]

What do want me to find? That Sweden has higher or equal crime rates as New York? I don´t think I can that my young friend. The only thing I can find is that the state of Sweden has less than 200 murders each year (195 last year). Also the number of assaults, with a knife and so forth is quite low. Last year it was 64 937. 2590 rapes, 53 146 car thefts and etc etc etc.

2 out of each 100.000 get murdered in Sweden
724 out of each 100.000 get beaten up in Sweden
29 out of each 100.000 get raped in Sweden

And you seriously mean that it´s not higher in New York?

[Parzival]

What do want me to find? That Sweden has higher or equal crime rates as New York? I don´t think I can that my young friend. The only thing I can find is that the state of Sweden has less than 200 murders each year (195 last year). Also the number of assaults, with a knife and so forth is quite low. Last year it was 64 937. 2590 rapes, 53 146 car thefts and etc etc etc.

2 out of each 100.000 get murdered in Sweden
724 out of each 100.000 get beaten up in Sweden
29 out of each 100.000 get raped in Sweden

And you seriously mean that it´s not higher in New York?
Well, that is not correct facts.

Sweden 9 million inhabitants

200-220 murder at year.
65.000 been matreament
8000 serius robberies
55.000 bulgary

www.bra.se

[mustamato]

What do want me to find? That Sweden has higher or equal crime rates as New York? I don´t think I can that my young friend. The only thing I can find is that the state of Sweden has less than 200 murders each year (195 last year). Also the number of assaults, with a knife and so forth is quite low. Last year it was 64 937. 2590 rapes, 53 146 car thefts and etc etc etc.

2 out of each 100.000 get murdered in Sweden
724 out of each 100.000 get beaten up in Sweden
29 out of each 100.000 get raped in Sweden

And you seriously mean that it´s not higher in New York?
Well, that is not correct facts.

Sweden 9 million inhabitants

200-220 murder at year.
65.000 been matreament
8000 serius robberies
55.000 bulgary

www.bra.se

Whoa now Sweden is sooo bad ass. Especially considered that you posted
the same statistics as I did. Retard.

(Ignorerar dig nu, du är en skam för det här landet).

[Glock]

SWAT Team of Vienna WEGA:
http://www.amstetten.at/oevp/Fotos/WEGA1.jpg
http://www.amstetten.at/oevp/Fotos/WEGA2.jpg
http://www.ipa-wien.at/ANIMATION/bild/pkw.gif
http://www.ipa-wien.at/ANIMATION/bild/wega2.jpg
http://www.ipa-wien.at/ANIMATION/bild/wega1.jpg
http://wcm.krone.at/hps/upload/hxmedia/2003/08/12/1_Xa_nGglHKsJr2.jpg
http://www.ipa.at/Bilder/584.jpg

Greatings Leo

[mocking_loudly_died]

Sweden is my new target.

I'm going to kill you all for allowing such idiocy to prevail.

[Parzival]

Sweden is my new target.

I'm going to kill you all for allowing such idiocy to prevail.
What kind of idiocy? I think the US is idiocy. They think they are best and got the tuff guys, yeaaa.

That is just silly....

[Truthsayer]

Vacon: STFU and go away.

You are an discrace to our nation.

Arguing who has the most crime - what are you people...STUPID?


"My country rocks, since we have maffia and ghettos".


In any normal mind that is considered a BAD thing about the country.

[Parzival]

Vacon: STFU and go away.

You are an discrace to our nation.

Arguing who has the most crime - what are you people...STUPID?


"My country rocks, since we have maffia and ghettos".


In any normal mind that is considered a BAD thing about the country.
I think you missunderstod.
I Don't like my country, I don't like it. DO you think it's cool with mafia? Do you think is cool when peapole been killed? Do you really think a country rock because they got ghettos and maffia? Almost every country in the world has big problems with the crimes, so do we. Well, maybe americans think it's cool when peapole get shut and the government in the US excute peapole like it were sick animals or something like that. We in Sweden has a diffrent culture. We don't like that.

[Truthsayer]

If you going to type please, then atleast try to do it without spellingerrors.

Swe:
Du är en ignorant snorunge som tror att dina nazi-vänner och du har rätt i att vi skulle ha enorma problem med brottslighet och att allt skulle bero på invandrare (första andra eller tredje-generationens, om ni för bestämma). Lär dig läsa siffror. ta en universitetskurs på 10p. om statestik.

Eller vänta, du var ju bara 15 år - gå klart grundskolan först?

Om du är så jävla rädd, gå hem till mamma och gråt så ni flyttar ut på landet. Där kan ni bo i er ensamhet i skogen utan att behöva oroa er för den 'svarte mannen'. Tja, förutom när fin far kommer nedkrypande under täcket till dig. Det är kanske tramatiska barndomsupplevelser som får dig att agera ut såhär efter uppmärksamhet?

[mustamato]

If you going to type please, then atleast try to do it without spellingerrors.

Swe:
Du är en ignorant snorunge som tror att dina nazi-vänner och du har rätt i att vi skulle ha enorma problem med brottslighet och att allt skulle bero på invandrare (första andra eller tredje-generationens, om ni för bestämma). Lär dig läsa siffror. ta en universitetskurs på 10p. om statestik.

Eller vänta, du var ju bara 15 år - gå klart grundskolan först?

Om du är så jävla rädd, gå hem till mamma och gråt så ni flyttar ut på landet. Där kan ni bo i er ensamhet i skogen utan att behöva oroa er för den 'svarte mannen'. Tja, förutom när fin far kommer nedkrypande under täcket till dig. Det är kanske tramatiska barndomsupplevelser som får dig att agera ut såhär efter uppmärksamhet?

You seem to have problems with the spelling as well.

[Truthsayer]

Um...where?

Btw, Vacon altered his post. It said "I don't like my country, I hate it." and some other crap. (Look how it makes no sence after he edited it.)

[spetsnaz]

French Special Unit:


RAID (police unit)

http://raid.admin.free.fr/images/106.jpg

The site here: http://raid.admin.free.fr


GIGN (gendarmerie unit)

http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/GIGN/gign-11.jpg


The site here: http://le.cos.free.fr


Sorry for my english I am french !!! ;)

[Parzival]

If you going to type please, then atleast try to do it without spellingerrors.

Swe:
Du är en ignorant snorunge som tror att dina nazi-vänner och du har rätt i att vi skulle ha enorma problem med brottslighet och att allt skulle bero på invandrare (första andra eller tredje-generationens, om ni för bestämma). Lär dig läsa siffror. ta en universitetskurs på 10p. om statestik.

Eller vänta, du var ju bara 15 år - gå klart grundskolan först?

Om du är så jävla rädd, gå hem till mamma och gråt så ni flyttar ut på landet. Där kan ni bo i er ensamhet i skogen utan att behöva oroa er för den 'svarte mannen'. Tja, förutom när fin far kommer nedkrypande under täcket till dig. Det är kanske tramatiska barndomsupplevelser som får dig att agera ut såhär efter uppmärksamhet?
Tala för dig själv.

Well, let´s return to the topic.
Nice pics spetsnatz

[MARINO]

French Special Unit:


RAID (police unit)

http://raid.admin.free.fr/images/106.jpg

The site here: http://raid.admin.free.fr


GIGN (gendarmerie unit)

http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/GIGN/gign-11.jpg


The site here: http://le.cos.free.fr


Sorry for my english I am french !!! ;)

SPAS-15 is a good gun? Spanish Air Force SF had buy it but i don't know if they do the right chose.

[Joshisonfire]

I just happened to stumble on this page
http://www.ocso.com/Swatroundup/Swat_Round_Up_2003/Results/results_menu.htm

Go check Final Score, it's pretty interesting that Sweden came in 10th...Now don't get me wrong, I couldn't give a flying FU@K about em, but yeah they actually may have something in their argument...as retarded as it is.

One more thing, regarding the credibility of that page, well I was reading about it from the official LAPD SWAT website, something about them being first in 1998.

Don't know if I've actually help anyone with this post, but Holy heck Orange County has some pretty good cops.

[Dominique]

As far as SWAT round up goes, it's pretty much the grand daddy of all SWAt competitions. The teams that compete are VERY good, but a lot of the things they do are specifically for the competition.

You are not going to see a team making an entry wearing t-shirts and tennis shoes. Also, some teams spend months training up speciically to compete in SWAT Round up.

Orange Co. Corrections specifically selects a team that trains for nothing but competitions. So I tend to take these results with a grain of salt.

Officer Dominique Sumner
Virginia Tactical Police Association
South Carolina Tactical Officers Association
US Correctional Tactical Officers Association

[scoone]

GEO

http://www.cuff.dk/cuff/copsspn/geo-7.jpg
http://www.cuff.dk/cuff/copsspn/geo-8.jpg
http://www.cuff.dk/cuff/copsspn/omner5629-00769.jpg
http://www.cuff.dk/cuff/copsspn/geo-1.jpg
http://www.cuff.dk/cuff/copsspn/ge451.jpg
http://www.cuff.dk/cuff/copsspn/ge461.jpg
http://www.cuff.dk/cuff/copsspn/geo22.jpg
http://www.cuff.dk/cuff/copsspn/ge37.jpg
http://www.cuff.dk/cuff/copsspn/ge38.jpg
http://www.cuff.dk/cuff/copsspn/untitled3.jpg

[scoone]

Civil Guard

http://www.cuff.dk/cuff/copsspn/uhel.jpg
http://www.cuff.dk/cuff/copsspn/sp1896.jpg
http://www.cuff.dk/cuff/copsspn/sp1885.jpg
http://www.cuff.dk/cuff/copsspn/sp18891.jpg
http://www.cuff.dk/cuff/copsspn/e20egunkaria-015.jpg
http://www.cuff.dk/cuff/erpcop/antidl.jpg
http://www.cuff.dk/cuff/erpcop/ars_f1.jpg
http://www.cuff.dk/cuff/erpcop/antid2.jpg

[redhawk_six]

What do want me to find? That Sweden has higher or equal crime rates as New York? I don´t think I can that my young friend. The only thing I can find is that the state of Sweden has less than 200 murders each year (195 last year). Also the number of assaults, with a knife and so forth is quite low. Last year it was 64 937. 2590 rapes, 53 146 car thefts and etc etc etc.

2 out of each 100.000 get murdered in Sweden
724 out of each 100.000 get beaten up in Sweden
29 out of each 100.000 get raped in Sweden

And you seriously mean that it´s not higher in New York?
Well, that is not correct facts.

Sweden 9 million inhabitants

200-220 murder at year.
65.000 been matreament
8000 serius robberies
55.000 bulgary

www.bra.se

You truely are a dumbass. That is a ****ing low crime rate. Hell, I think Canada has a higher crime rate than that! :bash:

And nice photos everyone! I've got a few US SWAT pics on my old comp, I'll upload them sometime when I have time.

[Parzival]

What do want me to find? That Sweden has higher or equal crime rates as New York? I don´t think I can that my young friend. The only thing I can find is that the state of Sweden has less than 200 murders each year (195 last year). Also the number of assaults, with a knife and so forth is quite low. Last year it was 64 937. 2590 rapes, 53 146 car thefts and etc etc etc.

2 out of each 100.000 get murdered in Sweden
724 out of each 100.000 get beaten up in Sweden
29 out of each 100.000 get raped in Sweden

And you seriously mean that it´s not higher in New York?
Well, that is not correct facts.

Sweden 9 million inhabitants

200-220 murder at year.
65.000 been matreament
8000 serius robberies
55.000 bulgary

www.bra.se

You truely are a dumbass. That is a f*** low crime rate. Hell, I think Canada has a higher crime rate than that! :bash:

And nice photos everyone! I've got a few US SWAT pics on my old comp, I'll upload them sometime when I have time.
No, they haven't trust me. Now we interrupt this discussion and return to the topic.

[Adri]

NR.1
Isn't the Canadian Qubec SWAT the best in the world, atlest that is what I have heard.

NR.2
why argu about who that have the highest vrime rate !?!?!?
here in Norway we have a very high crime rate, to be a so smal country (at the sice of england, but with only 4mil population)
the Norwegian SWAT (beredskapstroppen, also known as "Delta")
have only fired ONE bullet (one bullet=one kill, 1994 hostage situation)
but have a lot of missions, they cover every part of Norway so they have a operation area at the sice of england with 4mil people.
now during the cold war the norwegian army gave weapons and amunition to every homegard (today= 83.000, but it was about 100.000 during the cold war) not all have weapons today.
so we have a lot of weapons wich can be used in a bad way, many times that is what happend.
the Homegard does maby have truble back home and it then a dangerous person...it have happend that the homegard have shoot and killed family members, realy it happend a lot of times befor.

so the Norwegian SWAT does have a lot of dangerous mission where they only had to fired (at this point) once.

(oh and by the way, they used the 'Delta' name befor Delta force did it in USA...last year I visited them and made a documentary about them (no I does not have the clips))

[sea monkey]

i was born in New York, raised in New York, left new york for quite a many years and have since returned to new york.

the murder statistics for new york for 2003 are just under 600 murders.

do not talk about stuff you no nothing about.

///
Come to any neighborhood in my Brooklyn, and you will run for your life back to your socialist paradise in Sweden.

///
Furthermore ,you hang around likeminded stooges who are likewise deluded, because they read the same books, watched the same shows and hung out with the same ignorant little boys you do.

The NYPD ESU is by far one of the best SWAT units in the world, ditto with the LAPD SWAT and countless other big city CQ units. NYPD ESU has been involved in countless terror operations over the past decade, since the original WTC attack, many of their exploits are not public and rightly so. Some are publicized.

It is so annoying to see, people writing such nonsense over and over again. Like the cheerleaders fawning over the marginally improved 6.8 round, or G-36 series or some crazy Russian glorifying thuggery.
Its as if this website is where all the military posers at socnet come to after being banned, or all the losers who left the black flag cafe because of their outright nonsense.

In summation,
1)Municipal Police SWAT forces are generally better than military, due to the preponderence of experienced members of such units.

2)American, British & Russian military special forces are generally better than any German, Italian, Scandinavian or Japanese special forces, since the latter countries rarely used them, will probably never really use them to their full potential outside of a few dozen men in Afghanistan and the Balkans.

3) the APLP 5.56 BMT round is far superior than the 6.8 which has marginally better ballistics than the current 5.56 NATo.

4) the G36 is nothing more than a marginal improvement over the AR series.

5) The MP-5, P-90 and MP-7 are nothing more than popguns, and in the future when enemy forces will be able to afford better body armor it will be the man with the Rifle that will come on top.

6)the xm-8 is nothing more than the same bs politics our Pentagon plays, not wanting to insult foreigners and their stock holders, teh Pentagon is throwing HK a bone by buying the xm-8 since the OICW has turned out to be more pie in the sky techonolgy. I wonder how many bird colenels and generals we will see on HK's board of directors or consultants after the first few batches of m-8s come to frontline units.

there is so much more than can be said, but i doubt it would make any impression on most here, since they belive what they are told since, thats what Soldier of Fortune Magazine prints, or History Channel shows, or the Pentagon publication relations unit releases.

Rant over..

Eye Spy,

i concur with most everthing you've said, except for that bit about the MP5. (when you want to bring the hurt use 308)
having trained with nypd ESU i would say you are right about them being the best in the country, second only to delta.(LAPD is good too i'm sure but can't speak from personal expirieance) military groups are good but riggorous training is no substitute for real jobs, period. neat-o gear does not an operator make, attitude and desire make the difference. on the subject of PD's versus MIL they are often the same people, MIL types retire and become cops, cops are reserves in the SF, ect...
swat round up: thats a nice event and all but if you look at the list of particpants they are all small to medium cities, i would venture to guess that most large cities don't have the time to spare to attend. although i'm sure there are some really great operators on each team.
"you must look always to perfecting your skill." -m. musashi
i encourage all you kiddies out there to answer the call if you hear it and join the service, here or abroad, and begin your training. a real operator would not hesitate to do the job with just a hand-gun if he had no "bag or toys".

p.s. eye spy- are on the job? if so maybe i'll see you around town.

[USMarine3521]

Here are the results of the Annual SWAT round-up 2003

Some Florida team placed 1st this year
LAPD SWAT - 4th
Stockholm (Sweden) - 10th
Dallas PD SWAT - 13th
GSG9 - 15th

http://www.ocso.com/Swatroundup/Swat_Round_Up_2003/Results/Final_Scores.pdf
(2003)

http://www.ocso.com/Swatroundup/Swat_Round_Up_2002/Results/Scores.htm (2002)

Hopefully this will clear you up about your "im not impressed with US SWAT" BS :D

[mustamato]

Here are the results of the Annual SWAT round-up 2003

Some Florida team placed 1st this year
LAPD SWAT - 4th
Stockholm (Sweden) - 10th
Dallas PD SWAT - 13th
GSG9 - 15th

http://www.ocso.com/Swatroundup/Swat_Round_Up_2003/Results/Final_Scores.pdf
(2003)

http://www.ocso.com/Swatroundup/Swat_Round_Up_2002/Results/Scores.htm (2002)

Hopefully this will clear you up about your "im not impressed with US SWAT" BS :D

As was said earlier. It´s a competition and some of the units obviously train
just to get a high ranking. And I do wonder if the results would have been
the same if the competitions would have been held in lets say Germany.
Somehow I just doubt it.

[aFgHaNibOi]

Not sure if we do have a SWAT team. :|

[mout]

sea monkey wrote :
"American, British & Russian military special forces are generally better than any German, Italian, Scandinavian or Japanese special forces, since the latter countries rarely used them, will probably never really use them to their full potential outside of a few dozen men in Afghanistan and the Balkans."

Countries like Italie, France and some others use their special units a lot more than you think or you read in the media.
Of course French or Italian army are a lot smaller than US, they have less soldiers so they're not used in as many countries as US SF, but i'm sure if you know all the mission the do you would be very surprised.
All the soldiers of French SF are very experienced and spend most of their time in operations (a lot in africa which is known to be a very difficult field ).

About the swat i agree to say that their level depend a lot on their experience and for that US swat team in big cities like NY or LA must be in the top. But in this case what about swat in countries like Brazil, Columbia, Russia or other east europe countries which have a higher rate a crime than USA ?[/quote]

[Joshisonfire]

Also found this good site

http://www.interpol.int/Public/Statistics/ICS/downloadList.asp

Interpol's international crime statistics
It's isn't updated to 2003, yet recent enough to be interesting.

[fantassin]

When you have the ETA Basque terrorists, the FLNC Corsican terrorists, the GIA Algerian terrorists and a few other loonies around, yes, you do spend very little time in "SWAT round ups" and other summer camps of the like.

The text that follows is just one example of a shoot out involving the RAID French police group against moslem fundamentalists in the North of France in 1996 (yes, the war against terror did not start on 9/11 in some places...)

March 29, 1996

At 6. 15, the door of the 59 Carette street flies open. plastic explosive blew it. The "super-coppers" rush into the gaping hall. They do not go far. One of the occupants of the house, posted in the hall, opens up immediately with a Kalachnikov and drills the lung of a policeman through his flack jacket, before being killed in return. Grenades are exchanged, another policeman is wounded in the tigh. A fire starts.

The terrorists shout that they will never surrender. The RAID then throws teargas grenades and fire back single shots at their opponents, who spray them with bursts of automatic weapons. The fire propagates. The floor of the 1-st floor collapses. Then the roof.

Under the rubbles, the policemen discover four bodies, but not that of Zemmiri. They find also four Kalachnikov, three English Sten submachine guns and two Israeli Uzis, two automatic pistols, grenades, ammunitions as well as half carbonized Islamic documents.

All together, 4 terrorists were killed during the assault during which they fired over 1000 rounds, wounding 4 RAID policemen.

The other members of the islamic group of the city of Roubaix, accommodated in other places, fled. Notified, the Belgian policemen did some traffic checks. At about 11. 40, they stopped a Peugeot 305 car. The two occupants opened fire. The policemen fired back. They kill the passenger: his name was Christophe Caze. His accomplice, Omar Zemmiri, runs away on foot and enters the rich villa of a dentist. There, he takes two women as hostages . Wounded, he eventuallysurrendered.

The search of the Peugeot 305 brings the discovery of an impressive arsenal, consisting mostly of Yugoslav weapons, inckuding even antitanks weapons. The Belgian police is very busy: some months previously, by searching an activist of the Algerian GIA, it found a computer floppy disk containing an 8000 pages manual explaining how to blow up buildings, bridges and public buildings. The manual began with an inscription of Oussama ben Laden.

[Loco]

When you have the ETA Basque terrorists, the FLNC Corsican terrorists, the GIA Algerian terrorists and a few other loonies around, yes, you do spend very little time in "SWAT round ups" and other summer camps of the like.

I take Fantassin´s words and I apply myself to the case of Spain, only pointing that in the case of ETA, the true and hot fight is here, in Euskadi and the rest of Spain, although is true that fight against ETA in France is basic to defeating the terrorist gang, but in France consists mostly in intelligence services by both french and spanish services. I sometimes complain here that I´d like seeing more photos of SForces of Spain, it seems as they doesn´t exist, but really they exist and they do work hardly and daily, both GEO(police Sforces) and Guardia Civil Sforces I considerer they are very high in the TOP list of SForces, even I don´t know if they go to this kind of Summer Camps Contest/Games/Hollidays for SForces of the world, because here in Spain they have enough true job, the real life. There´s ETA, and powerful drug cartels from all east Europe and America(mainly Colombia) who moved to Spain as a bridge between continents, the problem with muslims integrists who is beginning here, etc etc etc. In the case of GEO, during many years their most highest pride is that they resolved several kidnappings without killing any kidnapper, and I think this is the best score a SForce can show. Around a year ago, a GEO team assaulted a cargo ship full loaded with cocain just in the border of territorial waters of Guayana, in SouthAmerica, very far from Spain, with some gangs leaders on board, it seems there was used force, but none of delinquents nor policemen were injured, the ship was brought quietly to Spain, only a few lines were published in newspapers and delinquents are being judged in court; that´s what I call a good and clean operation, even I´d pay some bucks for seeing photos of that operation I prefer they go on in the same way till now.

[kinghk]

NR.1
Isn't the Canadian Qubec SWAT the best in the world, atlest that is what I have heard.'



Some people even believed that the earth was flat




NR.2
why argu about who that have the highest vrime rate !?!?!?
here in Norway we have a very high crime rate, to be a so smal country (at the sice of england, but with only 4mil population)



No, the crime rate is not high, even compared to the population.

Land area UK: 241,590 sq km
Norway : about 350,000 including Svalbard




now during the cold war the norwegian army gave weapons and amunition to every homegard (today= 83.000, but it was about 100.000 during the cold war)



It is not a gift, it is government property.




not all have weapons today.
so we have a lot of weapons wich can be used in a bad way, many times that is what happend.



It happened 3 times last year, but that is not representative.




the Homegard does maby have truble back home and it then a dangerous person...it have happend that the homegard have shoot and killed family members, realy it happend a lot of times befor.



Lots of times my @ss. It used to happend a few times each year.

[JunglistSoldier]

eye spy, sea monkey - If you don't know **** about Sweden then don't start nothing.

Valco or what ever your name is - Shut the hell up! You don't know ****!! American LE tactical units are held in higest regard and the ONI-people i've spoken to who have trained with representatives of the US LE Tactical community told me they they where very professional officers.

You can NOT compare a military unit to a law enforcement unit. LE untis work to SAVE lifes, when military units go in it's with a loud bang and lots of shooting (Generally).

[Adri]

Some people even believed that the earth was flat

so that was maby wrong, but if you look closer, you will see that I thouth they was, no need to anwser (?) on that way.



No, the crime rate is not high, even compared to the population.

I am not an expert on this but I would say that for all of those murders we have (and more 'dangerous situations) we have a high rate of crime, and I am not prode of that...like someone here are.



It is not a gift, it is government property.

you know, every one isn't born in a english speaking country....I don't know if you understod what I ment, you didn't.
but they do have 100 bullets (I think it is 100)



It happened 3 times last year, but that is not representative.



Lots of times my @ss. It used to happend a few times each year.


no, realy it happend two times:

29. sep 2002: father kills, his wife,his two children and himself
12. jan 2002: 3 kills, he killes himself to

now Norway it a peace full country, we try to not get involved in larger wars, I look on these numbers as high based on the population an political situation we have.



582 våpen bare i år. 33 av dem var heimevernsvåpen og åtte tilhørte soldater som
er funnet uskikket til å inneha et tjenestevåpen. Ifølge Kriminalpolitisentralen
*******eres det årlig rundt 300 våpentyverier i Norge. Heimevernsvåpen utgjør
fra en fjerdedel til en tiendedell

kilde: http://www.fofo.no/?module=Articles;action=Article.publicOpen;ID=1743

(to those who can't read norwwegain: don't wory...you would die if you don't know this)

[MARINO]

http://www.cuff.dk/cuff/copsspn/sp1896.jpg
Waht bowls, good pics of Civil Guard and GEO, i've benn searching but I only foundo those i've post .http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8060&start=0

[DE_Six]

NR.1
Isn't the Canadian Qubec SWAT the best in the world, atlest that is what I have heard.'



Some people even believed that the earth was flat



Harsh. The Quebec Provincial Police's tactical team (GISQ) actually won the 1997 edition of the World Police and Firefighters Games. Can't get a link though, but there was an article on it in SWAT magazine. Edmonton PD and Illinois State Police were respectivley second and third.

[Parzival]

NR.1
Isn't the Canadian Qubec SWAT the best in the world, atlest that is what I have heard.'



Some people even believed that the earth was flat



Harsh. The Quebec Provincial Police's tactical team (GISQ) actually won the 1997 edition of the World Police and Firefighters Games. Can't get a link though, but there was an article on it in SWAT magazine. Edmonton PD and Illinois State Police were respectivley second and third.
The best SWat team don't do that.

[Parzival]

Hw good a swat team are depends on Expirence but also traning.

[tony6]

http://www.ocso.com/Swatroundup/Swat_Round_Up_2003/Results/results_menu.htm

Although you are probably right about some units to train specially for such competiotions-it is pretty interesting:)
I read somewhere about similar competitions in Germany (hosted by GSG-9). It was in 1985 or 1987 (I don't remember-I will check it).
GSG-9 was first and the second was GEO. I don't remeber how many units were involved but it was pretty "international" exercise.
I found it very interesting that Polish SPAT took third place (just after GEO). In the 80s (communists times) police was pretty underfunded and they had very ****ty equipment (uzi, revolvers, things like that-there was no MP5s and stuff those times in Poland:)-yet they managed to score pretty good. I wonder what it would be today.
Just some thoughts :)

[redhawk_six]

Hw good a swat team are depends on Expirence but also traning.

Canadian SWAT has a ton of experience. Up until 1993, all of Canada's Counter-Terrorism duties feel under the responsablity of the RCMP's Special Emergency Response Team. Plus, Qubec SWAT has some good experience. Anyone remember the stand-off in the early 90's, or late 80's? A company wanted to turn an area into a golf course, but a local native band refused to let them, saying that land was sacred and important to their culture. Qubec police stepped in, and faced an armed band of Mohawk Warriors. An officer was killed, and the Army was brought in.

Vacon, you know NOTHING, so stop acting like you do. You CAN NOT compare SWAT teams to military special forces. Their roles are so diffrent, that comparing them would be like comparing the real Army with the Salvation Army. :cantbeli:

[Seraphim]

Shot in the back, I remind you...

[DELTAFORCELEADER]

I´ve heard that the equipment and training is quite similar all over the world.
I mean, what is the difference between a US SWAT with a MP5xx and a kevlar
helmet and some dude outside US with the exact same thing? Experience is one
thing yes. But you are talking about "best in the world just because they are from
USA... and oh yes they also have eerh good equipment and eeerh some training".

___________________________

http://www.shenzhong.net/bbs/forum/UploadFile/20042110204523622.jpg
http://www.sinodefence.com/army/individual/submachine_79.asp

Probably a lovely submachine gun. With a weight of under 2 kg!

there are some pictures about type79-II
http://www.shenzhong.net/bbs/forum/uploadfile/20042615322791420.jpg
http://www.shenzhong.net/bbs/forum/uploadfile/20042615324127040.jpg

[Glock]

What SWAT teams Australia and New Zeeland have?
And what Wepon's they use?
Greatings Leo

[Dominique]

I know each Australian state, the AFP, and some of the larger cities have teams. In NZ the only teams I know of are the Armed Offenders Squads (AOS) and the Special Tactics Group (STG).

The STG is similar to either the FBI HRT or the old RCMP SERT. It's operators train with the NZ SAS CT team. Frome what I've heard they have conducted a couple of operations including helping recover a kidnap victim.

[Loco]

http://www.cuff.dk/cuff/copsspn/sp1896.jpgWaht bowls, good pics of Civil Guard and GEO, [/quote]
Actually, the police at the right is an ertzaina(basque police) Agente 1º, like a caporal. And it´s indeed a good photo.

[Parzival]

Hw good a swat team are depends on Expirence but also traning.

Canadian SWAT has a ton of experience. Up until 1993, all of Canada's Counter-Terrorism duties feel under the responsablity of the RCMP's Special Emergency Response Team. Plus, Qubec SWAT has some good experience. Anyone remember the stand-off in the early 90's, or late 80's? A company wanted to turn an area into a golf course, but a local native band refused to let them, saying that land was sacred and important to their culture. Qubec police stepped in, and faced an armed band of Mohawk Warriors. An officer was killed, and the Army was brought in.

Vacon, you know NOTHING, so stop acting like you do. You CAN NOT compare SWAT teams to military special forces. Their roles are so diffrent, that comparing them would be like comparing the real Army with the Salvation Army. :cantbeli:
I have very, very, very hard to belive that trhe Canadian SWAT team are better than the Swedish. That is totaly execluded.

I know a lot of SWAT team and I've Read a lot of books and Tv programs about the America and Europe SWAT teams.

[andyrew_21]

well, what makes you think the Swediah SWAT are soo much better??? Here in Canada we have plenty of shootings and robberies and what not too. Our teams have plenty of experience, and excellent training. So why would it be hard to believe that Canadian Team may be just as good or possibly better than Swedish?

[redhawk_six]

Hw good a swat team are depends on Expirence but also traning.

Canadian SWAT has a ton of experience. Up until 1993, all of Canada's Counter-Terrorism duties feel under the responsablity of the RCMP's Special Emergency Response Team. Plus, Qubec SWAT has some good experience. Anyone remember the stand-off in the early 90's, or late 80's? A company wanted to turn an area into a golf course, but a local native band refused to let them, saying that land was sacred and important to their culture. Qubec police stepped in, and faced an armed band of Mohawk Warriors. An officer was killed, and the Army was brought in.

Vacon, you know NOTHING, so stop acting like you do. You CAN NOT compare SWAT teams to military special forces. Their roles are so diffrent, that comparing them would be like comparing the real Army with the Salvation Army. :cantbeli:
I have very, very, very hard to belive that trhe Canadian SWAT team are better than the Swedish. That is totaly execluded.

I know a lot of SWAT team and I've Read a lot of books and Tv programs about the America and Europe SWAT teams.

Books and TV are meaningless. All they give you is second-hand, biased, research. Might as well base your argument on hollywood movies. Do first hand research and prove it if you want me to take you seriously.

Canadian teams are very highly trained, and experienced in what they do. You have no idea what SWAT is all about.

Also, for others in Sweden, how much of his gang and mafia rantings are true? Some how I doubt Sweden has more of a gang/mafia problem then the US... He makes it sound like Sweden is mob run... :roll:

[mustamato]

Also, for others in Sweden, how much of his gang and mafia rantings are true? Some how I doubt Sweden has more of a gang/mafia problem then the US... He makes it sound like Sweden is mob run... :roll:

Sweden does not have the gang problems as US have, but there is mafia
in Sweden. And with mafia I mean organized crime. Not necessarily with
a "Godfather", but in example albanian mafia is very much established in
Sweden, mainly because there are so many albanians here, if you want
some cheap booze or drugs, call a albanian and he definitively knows
where to get it. There is a standing joke here in Sweden; Never run over
a albanian with a bicycle, because it´s probably yours :) I have personally
had some problems with stealing albanians, and my friend that has a fat
BMW has had big problems with them, one day all tires were missing etc.

There are also other ethnic gangs, the thing is that swedes are used to be
taken care of by the state. While immigrants come from countries where
the state is useless, so they are raised to take more initiatives, and they
have a "business-mind" while swedes don´t. And they don´t give a fukk
about the swedish laws. Why they didn´t leave their monkey-menthality
behind when moving to Sweden is beyond me to answer though. Anyone?

There is also some swedish mafia, in example the motorcycle gangs (HA
and Bandidos, it began in Denmark I think and spread to Sweden and
Finland as well) had a "war" a couple of years ago with carbombs, AT-
4´s fired against club buildings, driveby shootings etc, what this was
about was probably drugs and so forth. There is peace between them
now. They have in other words agreed over which territories belongs to
each club where they can sell their drugs.

Summa summarum: Yes, the Swedish national SWAT-team (NI) is necessary,
as the provincial SWAT-teams (Piketen), but it´s not as bad as in US no.

[JunglistSoldier]

all: Do not listen to Vacon. I would think he is a twelve yo with no grasp of the real world. Mustamato speaks the truth - Sweden has it's fair share o violent criminals and organized crime which keeps our "ONI" on their toes. I think that every country should have a team capable of dealing with the very dangerous situations that can occur with criminals.

[Parzival]

Hw good a swat team are depends on Expirence but also traning.

Canadian SWAT has a ton of experience. Up until 1993, all of Canada's Counter-Terrorism duties feel under the responsablity of the RCMP's Special Emergency Response Team. Plus, Qubec SWAT has some good experience. Anyone remember the stand-off in the early 90's, or late 80's? A company wanted to turn an area into a golf course, but a local native band refused to let them, saying that land was sacred and important to their culture. Qubec police stepped in, and faced an armed band of Mohawk Warriors. An officer was killed, and the Army was brought in.

Vacon, you know NOTHING, so stop acting like you do. You CAN NOT compare SWAT teams to military special forces. Their roles are so diffrent, that comparing them would be like comparing the real Army with the Salvation Army. :cantbeli:
I have very, very, very hard to belive that trhe Canadian SWAT team are better than the Swedish. That is totaly execluded.

I know a lot of SWAT team and I've Read a lot of books and Tv programs about the America and Europe SWAT teams.

Books and TV are meaningless. All they give you is second-hand, biased, research. Might as well base your argument on hollywood movies. Do first hand research and prove it if you want me to take you seriously.

Canadian teams are very highly trained, and experienced in what they do. You have no idea what SWAT is all about.

Also, for others in Sweden, how much of gangs and mafia rantings are true? Some how I doubt Sweden has more of a gang/mafia problem then the US... He makes it sound like Sweden is mob run... :roll:
Are true? Huh? I think we have a lot of more crimes and gangs then Canada? Canada is a peacefule country. Our SWAT team ONI are very, evry, very good trained and have a lot of expirence. I don't tink the rest of our SWAT teams like piketen or Beredskaps Polisen are good, but the ONI is probaly one of the best in the world.
Sweden have a lot of organized gangs. Hells Angeles, Bandidos, Jugoslavic mafia, muslims gangs, african gangs, turkish gangs e.t.c. The most dangrous mafia is not the Albanian Mafia. The Albanian mafia is just kids. The largest mafia and the most dangers are the Jugopslavic mafia. They have a God father and a very, very good organized. Did you really thought Sweden was a peacefule country? Of course we haven't as much crimes as USA but we have organize crimes and enought with crimes. Jungle, What do you know about that?

[M203]

quote]
Are true? Huh? I think we have a lot of more crimes and gangs then Canada? Canada is a peacefule country. Our SWAT team ONI are very, evry, very good trained and have a lot of expirence. I don't tink the rest of our SWAT teams like piketen or Beredskaps Polisen are good, but the ONI is probaly one of the best in the world.
Sweden have a lot of organized gangs. Hells Angeles, Bandidos, Jugoslavic mafia, muslims gangs, african gangs, turkish gangs e.t.c. The most dangrous mafia is not the Albanian Mafia. The Albanian mafia is just kids. The largest mafia and the most dangers are the Jugopslavic mafia. They have a God father and a very, very good organized. Did you really thought Sweden was a peacefule country? Of course we haven't as much crimes as USA but we have organize crimes and enought with crimes. Jungle, What do you know about that?

Damn it kid, you really base your arguments on facts. Piketen is not good because you think its not! beredskapspolisen is not good because you think its not! Do you even know what the beredskapspolis does , what their tasks are, do you know of their capabilities? Do you know what the piket does? YOU THINK sweden has alot more crime than Canada? And you consider the ONI among the best in the world based on what facts?
damn it kid your ignorant

[redhawk_six]

Hw good a swat team are depends on Expirence but also traning.

Canadian SWAT has a ton of experience. Up until 1993, all of Canada's Counter-Terrorism duties feel under the responsablity of the RCMP's Special Emergency Response Team. Plus, Qubec SWAT has some good experience. Anyone remember the stand-off in the early 90's, or late 80's? A company wanted to turn an area into a golf course, but a local native band refused to let them, saying that land was sacred and important to their culture. Qubec police stepped in, and faced an armed band of Mohawk Warriors. An officer was killed, and the Army was brought in.

Vacon, you know NOTHING, so stop acting like you do. You CAN NOT compare SWAT teams to military special forces. Their roles are so diffrent, that comparing them would be like comparing the real Army with the Salvation Army. :cantbeli:
I have very, very, very hard to belive that trhe Canadian SWAT team are better than the Swedish. That is totaly execluded.

I know a lot of SWAT team and I've Read a lot of books and Tv programs about the America and Europe SWAT teams.

Books and TV are meaningless. All they give you is second-hand, biased, research. Might as well base your argument on hollywood movies. Do first hand research and prove it if you want me to take you seriously.

Canadian teams are very highly trained, and experienced in what they do. You have no idea what SWAT is all about.

Also, for others in Sweden, how much of gangs and mafia rantings are true? Some how I doubt Sweden has more of a gang/mafia problem then the US... He makes it sound like Sweden is mob run... :roll:
Are true? Huh? I think we have a lot of more crimes and gangs then Canada? Canada is a peacefule country. Our SWAT team ONI are very, evry, very good trained and have a lot of expirence. I don't tink the rest of our SWAT teams like piketen or Beredskaps Polisen are good, but the ONI is probaly one of the best in the world.
Sweden have a lot of organized gangs. Hells Angeles, Bandidos, Jugoslavic mafia, muslims gangs, african gangs, turkish gangs e.t.c. The most dangrous mafia is not the Albanian Mafia. The Albanian mafia is just kids. The largest mafia and the most dangers are the Jugopslavic mafia. They have a God father and a very, very good organized. Did you really thought Sweden was a peacefule country? Of course we haven't as much crimes as USA but we have organize crimes and enought with crimes. Jungle, What do you know about that?

You are a dumb **** head. Canada has hells angels and ethnic gangs too. We have asian gangs, white gangs, middle eastern gangs, and so on. Canada has a huge problem with gangs, especially in the built up areas such as Vancouver, Toronto, and Surrey. In fact, the city of Surrey became famous when stats released showed it had the highest rate of auto theift in all of North America. More cars were stolen in Surrey last year than in LA or New York City. Do some ****ing research dumbass.

[mout]

I think we have a lot of more crimes and gangs then Canada? Canada is a peacefule country. Our SWAT team ONI are very, evry, very good trained and have a lot of expirence. I don't tink the rest of our SWAT teams like piketen or Beredskaps Polisen are good, but the ONI is probaly one of the best in the world.
Sweden have a lot of organized gangs. Hells Angeles, Bandidos, Jugoslavic mafia, muslims gangs, african gangs, turkish gangs e.t.c. The most dangrous mafia is not the Albanian Mafia. The Albanian mafia is just kids. The largest mafia and the most dangers are the Jugopslavic mafia. They have a God father and a very, very good organized. Did you really thought Sweden was a peacefule country? Of course we haven't as much crimes as USA but we have organize crimes and enought with crimes.

Every countries have gangs and mafia problems !!!
For exemple France also host lots of mafia (chinese, russian, italian, algerian, corsican...), terrorists (islamists, corsicans...) and uncountable gangs. All other european countries like germany, italy, england, spain... have the same problems. The crime rate in sweden is not higher than most of other western countries, it's a little bit lower than the european average.

Just for information here is a crime statistic established between 1997 and 2000 :
canada : 1,85 murder for 100 000 habitants
south africa : 56,49 / 100 000 habitants
Russia : 20,52 / 100 000
Estonia : 12,17 / 100 000
USA : 6.26 / 100 000
northen ireland : 3.13 / 100 000

[Parzival]

Hw good a swat team are depends on Expirence but also traning.

Canadian SWAT has a ton of experience. Up until 1993, all of Canada's Counter-Terrorism duties feel under the responsablity of the RCMP's Special Emergency Response Team. Plus, Qubec SWAT has some good experience. Anyone remember the stand-off in the early 90's, or late 80's? A company wanted to turn an area into a golf course, but a local native band refused to let them, saying that land was sacred and important to their culture. Qubec police stepped in, and faced an armed band of Mohawk Warriors. An officer was killed, and the Army was brought in.

Vacon, you know NOTHING, so stop acting like you do. You CAN NOT compare SWAT teams to military special forces. Their roles are so diffrent, that comparing them would be like comparing the real Army with the Salvation Army. :cantbeli:
I have very, very, very hard to belive that trhe Canadian SWAT team are better than the Swedish. That is totaly execluded.

I know a lot of SWAT team and I've Read a lot of books and Tv programs about the America and Europe SWAT teams.

Books and TV are meaningless. All they give you is second-hand, biased, research. Might as well base your argument on hollywood movies. Do first hand research and prove it if you want me to take you seriously.

Canadian teams are very highly trained, and experienced in what they do. You have no idea what SWAT is all about.

Also, for others in Sweden, how much of gangs and mafia rantings are true? Some how I doubt Sweden has more of a gang/mafia problem then the US... He makes it sound like Sweden is mob run... :roll:
Are true? Huh? I think we have a lot of more crimes and gangs then Canada? Canada is a peacefule country. Our SWAT team ONI are very, evry, very good trained and have a lot of expirence. I don't tink the rest of our SWAT teams like piketen or Beredskaps Polisen are good, but the ONI is probaly one of the best in the world.
Sweden have a lot of organized gangs. Hells Angeles, Bandidos, Jugoslavic mafia, muslims gangs, african gangs, turkish gangs e.t.c. The most dangrous mafia is not the Albanian Mafia. The Albanian mafia is just kids. The largest mafia and the most dangers are the Jugopslavic mafia. They have a God father and a very, very good organized. Did you really thought Sweden was a peacefule country? Of course we haven't as much crimes as USA but we have organize crimes and enought with crimes. Jungle, What do you know about that?

You are a dumb **** head. Canada has hells angels and ethnic gangs too. We have asian gangs, white gangs, middle eastern gangs, and so on. Canada has a huge problem with gangs, especially in the built up areas such as Vancouver, Toronto, and Surrey. In fact, the city of Surrey became famous when stats released showed it had the highest rate of auto theift in all of North America. More cars were stolen in Surrey last year than in LA or New York City. Do some f*** research dumbass.
You are a really stupid idiot. Even if Canada has gangs you can't compare it with Sweden and Citys like Strockholm or Malmö. Malmö and Stockhom has a lot of more crimes then Canada.

[Eltaejp]

Vacon,

Please stop being stupid...I'm getting a head-ache. I don't really think you belive that two cities have more crimes then a whole country. So please stop acting.

[Parzival]

I think we have a lot of more crimes and gangs then Canada? Canada is a peacefule country. Our SWAT team ONI are very, evry, very good trained and have a lot of expirence. I don't tink the rest of our SWAT teams like piketen or Beredskaps Polisen are good, but the ONI is probaly one of the best in the world.
Sweden have a lot of organized gangs. Hells Angeles, Bandidos, Jugoslavic mafia, muslims gangs, african gangs, turkish gangs e.t.c. The most dangrous mafia is not the Albanian Mafia. The Albanian mafia is just kids. The largest mafia and the most dangers are the Jugopslavic mafia. They have a God father and a very, very good organized. Did you really thought Sweden was a peacefule country? Of course we haven't as much crimes as USA but we have organize crimes and enought with crimes.

Every countries have gangs and mafia problems !!!
For exemple France also host lots of mafia (chinese, russian, italian, algerian, corsican...), terrorists (islamists, corsicans...) and uncountable gangs. All other european countries like germany, italy, england, spain... have the same problems. The crime rate in sweden is not higher than most of other western countries, it's a little bit lower than the european average.

Just for information here is a crime statistic established between 1997 and 2000 :
canada : 1,85 murder for 100 000 habitants
south africa : 56,49 / 100 000 habitants
Russia : 20,52 / 100 000
Estonia : 12,17 / 100 000
USA : 6.26 / 100 000
northen ireland : 3.13 / 100 000
Ehm. No. Sweden has the seekend highest murder in EU after Finland.
2,5 murder for 100.000 inhabitants 2002-2003
And Eltaljep. I Mean to the population

[redhawk_six]

Hw good a swat team are depends on Expirence but also traning.

Canadian SWAT has a ton of experience. Up until 1993, all of Canada's Counter-Terrorism duties feel under the responsablity of the RCMP's Special Emergency Response Team. Plus, Qubec SWAT has some good experience. Anyone remember the stand-off in the early 90's, or late 80's? A company wanted to turn an area into a golf course, but a local native band refused to let them, saying that land was sacred and important to their culture. Qubec police stepped in, and faced an armed band of Mohawk Warriors. An officer was killed, and the Army was brought in.

Vacon, you know NOTHING, so stop acting like you do. You CAN NOT compare SWAT teams to military special forces. Their roles are so diffrent, that comparing them would be like comparing the real Army with the Salvation Army. :cantbeli:
I have very, very, very hard to belive that trhe Canadian SWAT team are better than the Swedish. That is totaly execluded.

I know a lot of SWAT team and I've Read a lot of books and Tv programs about the America and Europe SWAT teams.

Books and TV are meaningless. All they give you is second-hand, biased, research. Might as well base your argument on hollywood movies. Do first hand research and prove it if you want me to take you seriously.

Canadian teams are very highly trained, and experienced in what they do. You have no idea what SWAT is all about.

Also, for others in Sweden, how much of gangs and mafia rantings are true? Some how I doubt Sweden has more of a gang/mafia problem then the US... He makes it sound like Sweden is mob run... :roll:
Are true? Huh? I think we have a lot of more crimes and gangs then Canada? Canada is a peacefule country. Our SWAT team ONI are very, evry, very good trained and have a lot of expirence. I don't tink the rest of our SWAT teams like piketen or Beredskaps Polisen are good, but the ONI is probaly one of the best in the world.
Sweden have a lot of organized gangs. Hells Angeles, Bandidos, Jugoslavic mafia, muslims gangs, african gangs, turkish gangs e.t.c. The most dangrous mafia is not the Albanian Mafia. The Albanian mafia is just kids. The largest mafia and the most dangers are the Jugopslavic mafia. They have a God father and a very, very good organized. Did you really thought Sweden was a peacefule country? Of course we haven't as much crimes as USA but we have organize crimes and enought with crimes. Jungle, What do you know about that?

You are a dumb **** head. Canada has hells angels and ethnic gangs too. We have asian gangs, white gangs, middle eastern gangs, and so on. Canada has a huge problem with gangs, especially in the built up areas such as Vancouver, Toronto, and Surrey. In fact, the city of Surrey became famous when stats released showed it had the highest rate of auto theift in all of North America. More cars were stolen in Surrey last year than in LA or New York City. Do some f*** research dumbass.
You are a really stupid idiot. Even if Canada has gangs you can't compare it with Sweden and Citys like Strockholm or Malmö. Malmö and Stockhom has a lot of more crimes then Canada.

Listen to me dumbass! I have proffesional instruction in the area of law and criminology. I spent 2 years studying this sort of stuff in college. You, are probably still in high school. Don't ****ing call me an idiot. I, unlike you, know what I'm talking about. Here, I'll show you the offical Stats-Can crime statistics. These DO NOT include all crimes in Canada, as a number of crimes go unreported. These are only the ones reported to and followed up on by police.

http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/legal02.htm

That's 8,386.6 crimes reported to and followed up on by police per 100,000 pop in 2002. Many more crimes are not included, becasue they were not reported, or because the police felt they were to minor to follow up on.

And the gangs thing... Last night, several hellsangels were involved in a shooting at a popular downtown vancouver night club. No one was harmed. This happens all over the country all the time. In some areas, they have built special court rooms for dealling with gangs and hellsangels. Special booths are made to prevent the members on trial from seeing the judge, jury, witness, and prosecutor, to protect the lives of those people. If a hellsangels member saw one of them, there could be an attempt made on that persons life. In fact, one of hellsangels involved in the shooting last night was on parole after serving time for threatening a federal prosecutor.

Now, enough of your ignorant rantings!

[Parzival]

Hw good a swat team are depends on Expirence but also traning.

Canadian SWAT has a ton of experience. Up until 1993, all of Canada's Counter-Terrorism duties feel under the responsablity of the RCMP's Special Emergency Response Team. Plus, Qubec SWAT has some good experience. Anyone remember the stand-off in the early 90's, or late 80's? A company wanted to turn an area into a golf course, but a local native band refused to let them, saying that land was sacred and important to their culture. Qubec police stepped in, and faced an armed band of Mohawk Warriors. An officer was killed, and the Army was brought in.

Vacon, you know NOTHING, so stop acting like you do. You CAN NOT compare SWAT teams to military special forces. Their roles are so diffrent, that comparing them would be like comparing the real Army with the Salvation Army. :cantbeli:
I have very, very, very hard to belive that trhe Canadian SWAT team are better than the Swedish. That is totaly execluded.

I know a lot of SWAT team and I've Read a lot of books and Tv programs about the America and Europe SWAT teams.

Books and TV are meaningless. All they give you is second-hand, biased, research. Might as well base your argument on hollywood movies. Do first hand research and prove it if you want me to take you seriously.

Canadian teams are very highly trained, and experienced in what they do. You have no idea what SWAT is all about.

Also, for others in Sweden, how much of gangs and mafia rantings are true? Some how I doubt Sweden has more of a gang/mafia problem then the US... He makes it sound like Sweden is mob run... :roll:
Are true? Huh? I think we have a lot of more crimes and gangs then Canada? Canada is a peacefule country. Our SWAT team ONI are very, evry, very good trained and have a lot of expirence. I don't tink the rest of our SWAT teams like piketen or Beredskaps Polisen are good, but the ONI is probaly one of the best in the world.
Sweden have a lot of organized gangs. Hells Angeles, Bandidos, Jugoslavic mafia, muslims gangs, african gangs, turkish gangs e.t.c. The most dangrous mafia is not the Albanian Mafia. The Albanian mafia is just kids. The largest mafia and the most dangers are the Jugopslavic mafia. They have a God father and a very, very good organized. Did you really thought Sweden was a peacefule country? Of course we haven't as much crimes as USA but we have organize crimes and enought with crimes. Jungle, What do you know about that?

You are a dumb **** head. Canada has hells angels and ethnic gangs too. We have asian gangs, white gangs, middle eastern gangs, and so on. Canada has a huge problem with gangs, especially in the built up areas such as Vancouver, Toronto, and Surrey. In fact, the city of Surrey became famous when stats released showed it had the highest rate of auto theift in all of North America. More cars were stolen in Surrey last year than in LA or New York City. Do some f*** research dumbass.
You are a really stupid idiot. Even if Canada has gangs you can't compare it with Sweden and Citys like Strockholm or Malmö. Malmö and Stockhom has a lot of more crimes then Canada.

Listen to me dumbass! I have proffesional instruction in the area of law and criminology. I spent 2 years studying this sort of stuff in college. You, are probably still in high school. Don't f*** call me an idiot. I, unlike you, know what I'm talking about. Here, I'll show you the offical Stats-Can crime statistics. These DO NOT include all crimes in Canada, as a number of crimes go unreported. These are only the ones reported to and followed up on by police.

http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/legal02.htm

That's 8,386.6 crimes reported to and followed up on by police per 100,000 pop in 2002. Many more crimes are not included, becasue they were not reported, or because the police felt they were to minor to follow up on.



Stop talking bull****, I don't care about your studys if you don't come up with correct facts as you did with the website adress from the Canada Crime statistic. Here is the crime-list for Sweden.
Sweden has a little bit higher crimerate as I said then Canada but almost the same:

This is all reported crimes in Sweden

Population: 9 million
Crimes at 100.000/year
TOTAL CRIMES: 13666
Murders: 2,3 / 219 murer at year in Sweden
****** Assult: 108
Other ****** assult: 24
Robbery: 99
Drugs: 421
Assults and vey serius assaults: 682
Car theft: 679
Frauds: 481

This is not include Traffic offence


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[mustamato]

redhawk_six. According to your link there is 1.9 murders on each 100.000
canadians. It´s 2 on each 100.000 in Sweden. Or more exactly, in 2002
it was 219 murders. And there were 7,589.8 criminal code offenses in
Canada that same year when it was 13.663 in Sweden. But yes, maybe
it´s only the swedish police that is more effective and get´s to know about
more crimes than the canadian one.

Personally, I find Canada and Sweden to have a quite equal crime rate,
but I guessed that already before I checked the statistics. So how Vaco
(or you) came to the conclusion of which SWAT is best is of course beyond
me to answer.

Unfortunately the swedish "National Council for Crime Prevention" (BRÅ)
doesn´t have those statistics in english by some reason, but here they
are in swedish atleast:

http://www.bra.se/extra/statistics/extra_view_file?filename=/usr/www/dynamaster/www.bra.se/static/dynamaster/statistics/2_1_2002_0_0_x.dat

[redhawk_six]

redhawk_six. According to your link there is 1.9 murders on each 100.000
canadians. It´s 2 on each 100.000 in Sweden. Or more exactly, in 2002
it was 219 murders. And there were 7,589.8 criminal code offenses in
Canada that same year when it was 13.663 in Sweden. But yes, maybe
it´s only the swedish police that is more effective and get´s to know about
more crimes than the canadian one.

Personally, I find Canada and Sweden to have a quite equal crime rate,
but I guessed that already before I checked the statistics. So how Vaco
(or you) came to the conclusion of which SWAT is best is of course beyond
me to answer.

Unfortunately the swedish "National Council for Crime Prevention" (BRÅ)
doesn´t have those statistics in english by some reason, but here they
are in swedish atleast:

http://www.bra.se/extra/statistics/extra_view_file?filename=/usr/www/dynamaster/www.bra.se/static/dynamaster/statistics/2_1_2002_0_0_x.dat

I never said Canadian SWAT were better. I merely said that Swedish SWAT may not be better than everyone else. Or, at least this is what I was trying to say, I can see how some may misunderstand me. I used Canadian SWAT as an example. Quite frankly, I find that there is no best in the SWAT world. Every team has diffrent responsablities and roles. Some may be better than others in specific fields, but overall, there is no best, they are equal.

[mack pl]

****, Canada and Sweden are f****n hell. Im happy i live in Poland woot

[Dalleer]

****, Canada and Sweden are f****n hell. Im happy i live in Poland

Hmm...I'm sure that the Canadians and Swedish think the same about Poland. But hey, to hell with them, eh?

[mustamato]

I don´t really consider Sweden as hell. On the contrary, it´s very peacefull
here and the risk of getting in deep **** is not that big one. If some dude actually
shoots you, well then you have probably done something stupid so you deserve
it. More detailed info about Sweden:

Murders (219 in 2002)

Against women
- With firearms: 10
- Without firearms: 55

Against men
- With firearms: 48
- Without firearms: 105

+1 with *** unknown, ditched so confirmed murdered, but
nothing else is known, only found some remains.

Attempted murders (727 in 2002)

Against men
- With firearms: 27
- Without firearms: 198

Against women
- With firearms: 131
- Without firearms: 369

[mack pl]

I was sarcastic,but you have right,they thinking something like that.But i like live in Poland ;) Its funny when swe and canadians talking some bs about criminals in theirs countries.Its like , who have bigger **** ;)

[Parzival]

I was sarcastic,but you have right,they thinking something like that.But i like live in Poland ;) Its funny when swe and canadians talking some bs about criminals in theirs countries.Its like , who have bigger **** ;)
No, I just look down to you country. I am glad that I live in Sweden.
Poland must have a murder statistic like 10.000 murders at year or someting like that. I just lauging and enjoy my life in Sweden.
Poland is a damn cocky country, They think they can charge and have there oponion in foreign politics, but they should take care of thereown problems.

[redhawk_six]

I was sarcastic,but you have right,they thinking something like that.But i like live in Poland ;) Its funny when swe and canadians talking some bs about criminals in theirs countries.Its like , who have bigger **** ;)
No, I just look down to you country. I am glad that I live in Sweden.
Poland must have a murder statistic like 10.000 murders at year or someting like that. I just lauging and enjoy my life in Sweden.
Poland is a damn cocky country, They think they can charge and have there oponion in foreign politics, but they should take care of thereown problems.

WTF are you talking about? Poland? Cocky? Bull****. Thank you, you have just proven your knowledge, or total lack there of, of world politics.

Go back to school you dumbass.

[mack pl]

THX redhawk_six. I dont know how many murders are in poland, i dont care. I dont know what this stistic have to do with foreign politic?? So, go to hell dude :fork:

[Parzival]

I was sarcastic,but you have right,they thinking something like that.But i like live in Poland ;) Its funny when swe and canadians talking some bs about criminals in theirs countries.Its like , who have bigger **** ;)
No, I just look down to you country. I am glad that I live in Sweden.
Poland must have a murder statistic like 10.000 murders at year or someting like that. I just lauging and enjoy my life in Sweden.
Poland is a damn cocky country, They think they can charge and have there oponion in foreign politics, but they should take care of thereown problems.

WTF are you talking about? Poland? Cocky? Bull****. Thank you, you have just proven your knowledge, or total lack there of, of world politics.

Go back to school you dumbass.
Ehmm no. Poland is one of the biggest problem in The European Unions new Constitiotioen. They are not confirm it!

[Seraphim]

This just happened a couple of days ago...10hour stand off. After the guy came out side and then a women, they did a dynamic entry with flash bangs. I dont have a scanner but I'll use my webcam to take pics of the pics from the newspaper...there are two other pics.


WTF they updated the site so the pic I posted changed, I'll try to find it again and save it and host the pic.

[Dominique]

Georgia State Patrol SWAT team (The GSP and Georgia Bureau of Investigation - GBI, have combined team)

http://img8.photobucket.com/albums/v26/DSumner/SWAT1/standoff01.jpg

http://img8.photobucket.com/albums/v26/DSumner/SWAT1/standoff3.jpg

[Arty]

http://www.policensw.com/info/gen/spg.html

Each state has their own units coupled with a similar unit for the Australian Federal Police [FBI equivilent].

The Australian SAS also posseses a tactical assault ability OAT/TAG.

[Dominique]

There used to be a REALLy good site up on Aussie special ops with info on 1 Cdo Reg. , the SASR and the various state tactical elements. It had profiles, photos, and overviews of their oprations, but unfortunately its been down for a couple of years :( .

[ogukuo72]

http://www.mindef.gov.sg/protect/images/sact_big.jpg
Publicity pix for the Special Tactics And Rescue team from the Singapore Police Force.

[seventy6er]

http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JK-247-1-03.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JK-247-1-05.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JK-247-1-16.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JK-247-2-17.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JK-247-3-06.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JK-247-3-16.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JK-247-4-01.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-002.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-007.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-008.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-010.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-011.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-034.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-043.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-061.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-101.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-105.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-115.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-122.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-127.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-149.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-154.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-159.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-176.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-182.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-190.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-191.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-212.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-240.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-246.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-253.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-258.jpg


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-265.jpg

[mustamato]

Nice pics seventy6er


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-149.jpg

Reminds me of the danish Tollund man (I guess he was on the other side
of the SWAT-scale since he had been beaten, and finally strangled or
hanged, probably a traitor, a spy, or simply a criminal). Was killed 2400
years ago and was dumped in a bog, that´s why he´s so preserved.

http://www.agamemnon.se/TollundA.jpg

http://www.agamemnon.se/TollundB.jpg

[Dominique]

Nice pics seventy6er


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-149.jpg

Reminds me of the danish Tollund man (I guess he was on the other side
of the SWAT-scale since he had been beaten, and finally strangled or
hanged, probably a traitor, a spy, or simply a criminal).

WTF??? Are you trying to say that tactical units (SWAT, SRT, ERT, etc..) beat and torture suspects in their custody?

[mustamato]

WTF??? Are you trying to say that tactical units (SWAT, SRT, ERT, etc..) beat and torture suspects in their custody?

:roll:

Or maybe I was referring to the 2400 year old man on the pictures?

[redhawk_six]

Nice pics seventy6er


http://www.fotoarchiv.com/angebote/polizeibuch/SEK/images/JKD-030801-149.jpg

Reminds me of the danish Tollund man (I guess he was on the other side
of the SWAT-scale since he had been beaten, and finally strangled or
hanged, probably a traitor, a spy, or simply a criminal).

WTF??? Are you trying to say that tactical units (SWAT, SRT, ERT, etc..) beat and torture suspects in their custody?

*sigh* are people here even capable of reading entire posts....

I have a couple of good BBE (Dutch Marines Special Forces) videos on my other comp, can't remember where I got them from though.... Also, if anyone has the SWAT 3 TGOTY Edition, the reffrence CD has a bunch of vids of the Peel Regional Police ERT (Ontario, Canada) at Blackwater. The patachs are blured out in most close-ups, but the chevrons on the leader's arm tells me he's Canadian, and un-blured shots of the patchs at a distance best match the Peel Regional Police patches.

[Truthsayer]

I was sarcastic,but you have right,they thinking something like that.But i like live in Poland ;) Its funny when swe and canadians talking some bs about criminals in theirs countries.Its like , who have bigger **** ;)
No, I just look down to you country. I am glad that I live in Sweden.
Poland must have a murder statistic like 10.000 murders at year or someting like that. I just lauging and enjoy my life in Sweden.
Poland is a damn cocky country, They think they can charge and have there oponion in foreign politics, but they should take care of thereown problems.

Admin: ban this moron.

Users: Ignore this tr0ll. He is sitting in school and trying to make you angry - he might not even think the things he is writing, he just like to make fun of others...even if it in this and all other cases are himself and his family the joke is on, but nevertheless...

[Parzival]

I was sarcastic,but you have right,they thinking something like that.But i like live in Poland ;) Its funny when swe and canadians talking some bs about criminals in theirs countries.Its like , who have bigger **** ;)
No, I just look down to you country. I am glad that I live in Sweden.
Poland must have a murder statistic like 10.000 murders at year or someting like that. I just lauging and enjoy my life in Sweden.
Poland is a damn cocky country, They think they can charge and have there oponion in foreign politics, but they should take care of thereown problems.

Admin: ban this moron.

Users: Ignore this tr0ll. He is sitting in school and trying to make you angry - he might not even think the things he is writing, he just like to make fun of others...even if it in this and all other cases are himself and his family the joke is on, but nevertheless...
Sorry, I din't knew you where from poland. Sorry, but I am still glad that i live in Sweden....

[Dominique]

[/quote] Sorry, I din't knew you where from poland. Sorry, but I am still glad that i live in Sweden....[/quote]

And so are we. :bash:

Officer Dominique Sumner
Virginia Tactical Police Association
South Carolina Tactical Officers Association
US Correctional Tactical Officers Association

[serbian boy]

SCG Security Forces
http://www.antic.org/galerija/images/Mainstream%20PhotoClick1.jpg
Members of Serbia and Montenegro's special 'Gendarmerie' police forces patrol along the border between Serbia and Kosovo in the town of Bujanovac on Tuesday, 26 August 2003. Security tightened after recent minor attacks in the area.
http://www.antic.org/galerija/images/Mainstream%20PhotoClick.jpg
A soldier of the Serbia and Montenegro forces patrols on a tank along the border between Serbia and Kosovo in the town of Bujanovac on Tuesday, 26 August 2003. Security tightened after recent minor attacks in the area.
http://ispec.specwarnet.net/serbia/pics/7-04.jpg
A PJP officer in Kosovo, 2002.

[EvanL]

SCG Security Forces
http://www.antic.org/galerija/images/Mainstream%20PhotoClick1.jpg
Members of Serbia and Montenegro's special 'Gendarmerie' police forces patrol along the border between Serbia and Kosovo in the town of Bujanovac on Tuesday, 26 August 2003. Security tightened after recent minor attacks in the area.
http://www.antic.org/galerija/images/Mainstream%20PhotoClick.jpg
A soldier of the Serbia and Montenegro forces patrols on a tank along the border between Serbia and Kosovo in the town of Bujanovac on Tuesday, 26 August 2003. Security tightened after recent minor attacks in the area.
http://ispec.specwarnet.net/serbia/pics/7-04.jpg
A PJP officer in Kosovo, 2002.
im sure my spelling is off, but serbian boy nay ma peeshoo.

[Marmot1]

I was sarcastic,but you have right,they thinking something like that.But i like live in Poland ;) Its funny when swe and canadians talking some bs about criminals in theirs countries.Its like , who have bigger **** ;)
No, I just look down to you country. I am glad that I live in Sweden.
Poland must have a murder statistic like 10.000 murders at year or someting like that. I just lauging and enjoy my life in Sweden.
Poland is a damn cocky country, They think they can charge and have there oponion in foreign politics, but they should take care of thereown problems.

Ha Ha 10 000 rofl rofl

2002
****** Assaults (all kinds) 2322 85,7% suspects found and jailed.
Murders 1.188 that gives 2,97 per 100 000 over 96% suspects found and jailed

2002
Murders 1039 and is droping from year to year...
95% suspects found and jailed

So it is little higher than in sweeden and if you compare it to USA its 2 times les to russia almost 7 times less...

[serbian boy]

Lloyd, no youre spelling is wrong, you picka! :lol: Just joking :D
Anyway I was just trying to post some pictures why are you instagating?
I didn't say anything about you! Watz your problem? :D

[mack pl]

Marmot1, Poland is really nice country woot I love Poland woot

[Dominique]

A couple of pics of a US Border Patrol Special Response Team (SRT).

http://img8.photobucket.com/albums/v26/DSumner/Special%20Ops2/BP-SRT002.jpg

http://img8.photobucket.com/albums/v26/DSumner/Special%20Ops2/BP-SRT.jpg

[Dennis79]

*sigh* are people here even capable of reading entire posts....

I have a couple of good BBE (Dutch Marines Special Forces) videos on my other comp, can't remember where I got them from though.... .

Are you gonna post these?

[Sorbas2000]

****, Canada and Sweden are f****n hell. Im happy i live in Poland woot

Oh yes, Poland must be paradise on earth. Every polish family have got an Mercedes-Benz or BMW....from Germany for free :lol: :lol: :lol:

You have the nicest geografic...for example warm caribean sea with beaches, or a very advanced industry...you are exporting high-tech goods to all over the world, you are one of the most powerful economy within the European Union, the last 3 years you have changed from agricultural country to a industry country, etc. etc.
Am I right or wrong?

[redhawk_six]

*sigh* are people here even capable of reading entire posts....

I have a couple of good BBE (Dutch Marines Special Forces) videos on my other comp, can't remember where I got them from though.... .

Are you gonna post these?

I would but they're on my other computer, and I have no where to upload them.

[Yakuza]

French Group :

RAID : ( Recherche, Assistance, Intervention, Dissuasion )

http://raid.admin.free.fr/images/199.png

http://raid.admin.free.fr/images/160.JPG

http://raid.admin.free.fr/images/193.jpg

http://raid.admin.free.fr/images/94.jpg

http://raid.admin.free.fr/images/137.JPG

http://raid.admin.free.fr/images/138.jpg

http://raid.admin.free.fr/images/87.JPG

[Catch22]

Oh yes, Poland must be paradise on earth. Every polish family have got an Mercedes-Benz or BMW....from Germany for free :lol: :lol: :lol:

You have the nicest geografic...for example warm caribean sea with beaches, or a very advanced industry...you are exporting high-tech goods to all over the world, you are one of the most powerful economy within the European Union, the last 3 years you have changed from agricultural country to a industry country, etc. etc.
Am I right or wrong?

Ahhh - good old Sorbas (he claims to be 36). You find yourself good at starting silly off-topics or flaming? I suppose You do. Remember that **** you started on "Russian Airborne" topic? Guess Russian Tex had an invitation for you then... C'mon feel yourself invited to Poland also - we'll get you a free cozy BMW just stolen from Germany.

Just have this famous cup of...

[mack pl]

Sorbas2000, i was sarcastic.And i joking of this 2 guys from Sweden and Canada.BTW if you know how cool is in Poland i guess you have been there, yeah? So, you know that you are right or wrong. One more time only for you- I WAS SARCASTIC ! ;) Catch22- we will give him only exclusive"Maluch" ;)

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

Sorbas, please, tell us where do you come from...
:fork:

[wholagun]

You bitch about Poland this and that and what not. However, you Western Europeans enjoy your cosy lifestyle but just remember who took the brunt of what the Soviets had to offer for the last 50 years. Kinda hard to fix 50 years of problems in just 14, give us another 20 and we'll talk.

[Bootneck]

This thread is yet another example of how far down this forum has gone. 10 pages comprised mostly of idiots arguing about how much crime their respective countries have in order to prove who's tactical teams are better. Whatever...

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[mack pl]

I agree with Bootneck.We should back to topic-SWAT.

[BiZ]

What SWAT teams Australia and New Zeeland have?
And what Wepon's they use?
Greatings Leo

Every State in Australia has a full-time Tactical team (Tasmania has a part time team with a small full-time training component).
New South Wales has in addition to it's full time Tactical Operations Unit (SPG TOU), several part time region based State Protection Support Units (SPSU).
You could compare it generally to Los Angles Police having D-Platoon SWAT and C-Platoon Metro. Similar in concept being part time and for slightly different jobs etc.

Weapons?

All teams used Glock varients (NSW Glock 22).
All teams use MP5 varients, A3,K and SD types.
Most states use the M4/M16, some use CAR-15 types or F-88A1 (Aus Steyr AUG) or mixtures of the two. Victorian polce SOG use both the Steyr AUG and now the M4 system.

Most states use Benelli Super 90 shotguns (full and shortened versions) while others use Remington pumpies and versions thereof.

Different states use different sniper systems, with NSW using the Australian Military SR-98 (AW L96A1).

Under SAC-PAV all teams use pretty similar gear and equipment and all train to to the same minium standards.

They are also outfitted with other fancy gear and equipment as the teams are all trained to SASR TAG standard. (Let's not argue over this point as both TAG and Police Teams have VERY different roles and focuses aside from their small CT brief.)

For the record, the Federal Police SRS (name and reorginisation a while ago) is not similar to the FBI HRT.
It is not a federal "super" SWAT team that deploys for major incidents across the country. It is used in the A.C.T (Australian Capital Territory) and on special operations supporting Federal Agents (AFP or Customs etc) across the country. It does not turn up to support or deal with sieges/situations/bank robberies etc like the FBI HRT does.
State Teams deal with everything with their more than capable and sizeable teams.

Anything else?

[Parzival]

Seems intreseting, So Can you post some pictures of the UK Juniors SWAT teams? BiZ?

[The Kop]

P.S. These photos are relatively outdated.

http://hk.geocities.com/kskgsg9/phote06.1.jpg

[/img]http://hk.geocities.com/kskgsg9/phote03.1.jpg

[img]http://hk.geocities.com/kskgsg9/phote02.1.jpg

[BiZ]

Seems intreseting, So Can you post some pictures of the UK Juniors SWAT teams? BiZ?

UK juniors comments will earn you zip mate. :D

I have personal photos of NSW's SPG TOU and other media released photos. I can't link them as they aren't on the net....

I'll see about getting them added to this place.... maybe Hood etc should start up a Law Enforcement photo section for SWAT type units...

[city.if]

my country S. W. A. T (Armed Police)
http://www.timesboard.com/uploads/images//战友一起.gif
http://www.pladaily.com.cn/item/zgtj/mcdp/qiche/p36.jpg
http://www.pladaily.com.cn/pladaily/20001103/image/20001103001023.jpg
http://www.pladaily.com.cn/pladaily/20001103/image/20001103001024.jpg
http://www.pladaily.com.cn/pladaily/20001103/image/20001103001025.jpg
http://flysee.intoski.com/flyphoto/photo_man/cn_sp_1/cnsp_af.jpg
http://flysee.intoski.com/flyphoto/photo_man/cn_sp_1/cnsp_59.jpg
http://flysee.intoski.com/flyphoto/photo_man/cn_sp_1/cnsp_65.jpg
http://flysee.intoski.com/flyphoto/photo_man/cn_sp_2/cnsp804.jpg
http://flysee.intoski.com/flyphoto/photo_man/cn_sp_2/cnsp7d9.jpg
http://flysee.intoski.com/flyphoto/photo_man/cn_sp_2/cnsp7dd.jpg
http://flysee.intoski.com/flyphoto/photo_man/cn_sp_3/cnsp_76.jpg
http://flysee.intoski.com/flyphoto/photo_man/cn_sp_3/cnsp_82.jpg
http://flysee.intoski.com/flyphoto/photo_man/cn_sp_3/cnsp_8a.jpg
http://flysee.intoski.com/flyphoto/photo_man/cn_sp_3/cnsp_8f.jpg
http://flysee.intoski.com/flyphoto/photo_man/cn_sp_3/cnsp_93.jpg
http://flysee.intoski.com/flyphoto/photo_man/cn_sp_3/cnsp_8c.jpg
http://flysee.intoski.com/flyphoto/photo_man/cn_sp_3/cnsp_9a.jpg
http://flysee.intoski.com/flyphoto/photo_man/cn_sp_3/cnsp_95.jpg

[city.if]

People's Armed Police (PAP)

One of the three armed forces of the People's Republic of China (PRC), the People's Armed Police (PAP) Force is an armed defense force for social security, which undertakes police duties. It follows the rules and regulations of the PLA and enjoys equal treatment with PLA troops. Currently the total troops of the PAP number over 1.1 million.

The PAP undertakes the tasks of avoiding and curbing through the use of arms acts of sabotage, defending social security and protecting national security, life and property according to the needs of public security work and in compliance with the law, government rules and regulations and other administrative laws and regulations


http://www.superarmy.com/flyphoto/photo_man/showphoto.asp?dir=cn_sp_3&title=红色尖兵--中国特警训练剪影之三
http://www.superarmy.com/flyphoto/photo_man/showphoto.asp?dir=cn_sp_2&title=红色尖兵--中国特警训练剪影之二
http://www.superarmy.com/flyphoto/photo_man/showphoto.asp?dir=cn_sp_1&title=红色尖兵--中国特警训练剪影之一

[BiZ]

Re: Images of the NSW Police State Protection Group Tactical Operations Unit....

Since I cannot post any personal photos and there aren't any others really out there on the net, I did a search on ***** Images and found the standard media shots taken during a NATEX (National Anti Terrorist Exercise) held in Sydney December 2002. The "training facility" is the NSW Fire Brigades hot fire training grounds in Alexandria, and not the ultra secretative SPG critical incident response training centre.

After all that.......turns out I can't even work out how to link to ***** images stuff..... so either some does it for me.....tells me how...or just go and have a look yourself you lazy bastards ;)

[Kruglerek]

http://cache.*****images.com/comp/1693707.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DEC3D51BC7362C3C451476C697F253731D
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[Kruglerek]

http://cache.*****images.com/comp/1693707.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DEC3D51BC7362C3C451476C697F253731D
http://cache.*****images.com/comp/1693706.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DEC3D51BC7362C3C45FF7CD49C79A844B5
http://cache.*****images.com/comp/1693705.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DEC3D51BC7362C3C45A3897B0CF27A22A3
http://cache.*****images.com/comp/1693703.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DEC3D51BC7362C3C45E301E71702CA443C

[wholagun]

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Is this Polish SPAT? Or is this some kind of Police chemical/bio team?

Edit. on second look they are not Polish.

[Kruglerek]

It's Australian NSW Police State Protection Group Tactical Operations Unit.

[Kruglerek]

Some more photos from Australia
Victorian SOG [ special operation group ] Police, anti terrorist exercise in Melbourne

http://www.archive.newspix.com.au/photolib/images/lores/05006047.jpg
http://www.archive.newspix.com.au/photolib/images/lores/05006046.jpg
http://www.archive.newspix.com.au/photolib/images/lores/05006045.jpg

Special Response & Security team storm a house in Canberra 27/05/03 as part of Counter Terrorism Exercise

http://www.archive.newspix.com.au/photolib/images2/lores/12588338.jpg
http://www.archive.newspix.com.au/photolib/images2/lores/12588337.jpg
http://www.archive.newspix.com.au/photolib/images2/lores/12578290.jpg

[Micke]

What SWAT teams Australia and New Zeeland have?
And what Wepon's they use?
Greatings Leo
Our special pig teams here in New Zealand use alot of different guns. I've seen them with bolt action hunting rifles upto Diemaco C8 Custom Tactical's. Mostly they use MP5s and M4s though. (although I reckon they're C8A2s rather than M4s, but I'm not a 100 on that)

Nice pics everyone, you blokes are very resourceful.

And Vacon; du är en barnrumpsmekare ;) sluta snacka skit, du har samma IQ som en jävla dasspappers rulle sá försök inte vara smart för du skämmer bara ut dig. ;)

[Glock]

Thanks. Whats the Sidarm? And do the use also F88?
Greatings Leo

[Ian H]

NZ armed units use the Glock 17 pistol as sidearm, and the bolt action rifle mentioned is the Remington Model 7. (This from the NZ Police website email a question section). Didn't know about the other stuff though, so thanks.

[dez000]

DSU


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*Prototype new overall (May 7th, 2003)
Has been accepted by DSU and will
be manufactured by the Belgian company
JOMEX; contains Kevlar material

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DSU operator profile:
Medium age is 27-28. All of them are expert marksmen, but some train further in long range sniping or shooting under adverse conditions. There are also diving and explosive experts on board.

ESI was created in the aftermath of the 1972 Olympics in the mad rush of countries forming teams to protect themselves from terrorism. Originally called Le Group Diane, ESI's cadre was filled with a small group of willy and dedicated operators. Although the name was changed to ESI in 1974 and again in 2001 to DSU, the name Diane is still used by the Belgian press.
DSU is used in a very agressive role, performing both anti and counter-terrorist activities. Not only do they root out terrorists (among a wide range of others) but the take active measures to prevent terrorist teams from operating in country.

As with other CT and elite units, service in DSU is voluntary. DSU hopefuls must undergo a rigorous weeding out phase design not so much to challange their physical prowess as much as their mental toughness. The selection process lasts two weeks and has an attrition rate of nearly 50%.

Those who pass the selection phase face another three months of training before they become fully qualified operators. DSU is different from many of the western units in that females are permitted to serve in the unit, although they serve in observation and undercover roles only.

The main weapon in the DSU arsenal is the ubiquitos HK MP-5 family and shortly the P90 (with various accesoires and optics). Remington 12-guage shotguns are also used for room clearing. Pistols include the Browning 9mm, Glock 17 and FN Five-seveN. Snipers are issued the Finnish Sako TRG-21 7.62 or a self-designed 7.62 police sniper rifle, they are also allowed to choose their own sniper rifles. Other weapons like the Smith & Wesson .38 revolver and HK model 94 submachine gun are also used.

DSU operators recieve training in the offensive and tactical use of cars during high-speed chases and hostage resuce. Their motor pool contains unmarked vans and Mercedes sedans used in undercover work as well as Range Rover 4x4s. Various motorcycles are also used. Zodiac inflatable boats are used for seaborne operations.

DSU is used for far more than CT work. In 1993 they spent 1,000 man hours in counter-terrorist duties. In the same year they spent 7,000 hours fighting narcotics trafficing and nearly 20,000 man-hours in action against organized crime. In one instance on April 30, 1990, DSU was sent in to take down two armed men who tried to rob a bank and wound up barricading themselves inside with hostages. The operators from DSU blew the door and entered in the smoke and confusion. Within seconds of the blast the men were isolated and captured, with no casualties.
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BBT This actually SWAT unit instead of a CT unit

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http://home.tiscali.be/specialunits/images/Belgie/bbt9.jpg

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Raised in 1988 because of the rising criminality and the increase of the use of firearms.
Within the former Mobile Brigade 30 policemen were selected and put into 5 teams of 6 men : BI-teams (Bijzondere Interventie = Special Intervention).
Those teams where patrolling like the other police officers and were sent for assignments with a particular risk.
But this didn't work and in 1993 the 5 teams were put together into one autonomous group : the Bijzonder Bijstandsteam = Special Support Team.

The unit has 14 members (battle order 2001).

7 of them are standby 24/24 hours and have to join the unit within 30 minutes.

Missions :

* arresting persons in case of a firearms threat
* close protection of persons and other possible targets
* riot missions : infiltration in and arresting of violent groups
* observation
* rescue operations

ONLY OPERATES IN THE CITY OF ANTWERP

Source:www.specialunits.be

[scoone]

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[RomanS]

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My good friends

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[mustamato]

No disrespect, but if I got in to a situation in Russia where I was held hostage,
I would probably feel that my doom had come, not necessarily because of those
taking me hostage, but for the Russian police/military. A couple of years ago
there was a incident at the Swedish embassy in Moscow, some lunatic took
a person hostage in a car, then the Russian police came and sealed of the area,
their Alfa-teams boss exchanged himself, quite bravely. Well, after that Alfa
assaulted the car, firing as hell, and killing their own boss! Judging from the
pictures shown on TV he probably got hit by atleast 10 bullets.

[wholagun]

No disrespect, but if I got in to a situation in Russia where I was held hostage,
I would probably feel that my doom had come, not necessarily because of those
taking me hostage, but for the Russian police/military. A couple of years ago
there was a incident at the Swedish embassy in Moscow, some lunatic took
a person hostage in a car, then the Russian police came and sealed of the area,
their Alfa-teams boss exchanged himself, quite bravely. Well, after that Alfa
assaulted the car, firing as hell, and killing their own boss! Judging from the
pictures shown on TV he probably got hit by atleast 10 bullets.

what thats crazy when did that happen. What you talking about the guy exchanged himslef youd be free, isnt that a good thing? **** sounds good ot me.. now the thing int he theater that just sux Id hate to be in that situation.

[Kruglerek]

BBT from Antwerp.

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[Kruglerek]

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[Thor]

Well, I didnt really point this out, but people dont take the guns & ammo whilst they're doing the military service, naturally this might have happened aswell, but I suppose that its quite easy to get a hold of the location for the storages since alot of people that have done the service know where they are. Also the security in those places isn't exactly top notch either. No 5'' steel doors.
Since they're located in very desolate places theres nobody around untill its too late to prevent it from happening.

Also the majority of the people that do steal from these are in gangs that are into organized crime here, like the Hells Angels and so on and not former conscripts.

Ok why are you talking all this bull? The thefts from unguarded storages stopped in the mid 1990's when ALL WEAPONS were moved to within military bases. The only things you can find in these nowadays are chicken soup, shovels and so on.

The whole idea of having weapons in these storages in the first place was to ensure a swift response in case of a Soviet attack. Secondly not at all many weapons have been stolen afterall. A couple of hundred assault rifles are out on the black market. However the assault rifles used by criminals are mainly imports from eastern europe.

[mustamato]

Well, I didnt really point this out, but people dont take the guns & ammo whilst they're doing the military service, naturally this might have happened aswell, but I suppose that its quite easy to get a hold of the location for the storages since alot of people that have done the service know where they are. Also the security in those places isn't exactly top notch either. No 5'' steel doors.
Since they're located in very desolate places theres nobody around untill its too late to prevent it from happening.

Also the majority of the people that do steal from these are in gangs that are into organized crime here, like the Hells Angels and so on and not former conscripts.

Ok why are you talking all this bull? The thefts from unguarded storages stopped in the mid 1990's when ALL WEAPONS were moved to within military bases. The only things you can find in these nowadays are chicken soup, shovels and so on.

The whole idea of having weapons in these storages in the first place was to ensure a swift response in case of a Soviet attack. Secondly not at all many weapons have been stolen afterall. A couple of hundred assault rifles are out on the black market. However the assault rifles used by criminals are mainly imports from eastern europe.

Hm, it would be quite hard to find a AK5 in them of course, but there is still
anti-tank mines, prismaladdningar (what the hell that now is in english) and
stuff like that, of course they can´t be used to rob a bank with, but if some
lunatic would like to blow something up, well...

[mustamato]

No disrespect, but if I got in to a situation in Russia where I was held hostage,
I would probably feel that my doom had come, not necessarily because of those
taking me hostage, but for the Russian police/military. A couple of years ago
there was a incident at the Swedish embassy in Moscow, some lunatic took
a person hostage in a car, then the Russian police came and sealed of the area,
their Alfa-teams boss exchanged himself, quite bravely. Well, after that Alfa
assaulted the car, firing as hell, and killing their own boss! Judging from the
pictures shown on TV he probably got hit by atleast 10 bullets.

what thats crazy when did that happen. What you talking about the guy exchanged himslef youd be free, isnt that a good thing? **** sounds good ot me.. now the thing int he theater that just sux Id hate to be in that situation.

In december 1997, it was outside the Swedish embassy in Moscow.

[Mitch Rapp]

Permskii. which city is this OMSN from?[/img][/code][/list][/quote]

[RomanS]

Permskii. which city is this OMSN from?[/img][/code][/list][/quote]

secret city

[BiZ]

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Is this Polish SPAT? Or is this some kind of Police chemical/bio team?

Edit. on second look they are not Polish.

As stated these are New South Wales Police Tactical Operations Units officers performing a "hot zone" exerices in a biologcal warfare environment.
Also in Chem gear (with the Avon S-10's are the NSW Ambulance SCAT Paramedic teams).

Re: NZ Police AOS teams sidearms, I have read official reports regarding the changeover to the 10mm Glock, to (in theory) replace both the 17 and the bolt action 'support' rifle for longer range shots. The changeover is supposed to be helped by the Victorian Police SOG, but I'm also sure the $$$ factor will slow, if not stop this little changeover from going ahead any time soon.

[BiZ]

NSW Police SPG TOU link (some info).

http://www.policensw.com/info/gen/spg.html

[fantassin]

by the way, most of the BBT and Spanish SWAT groups pictures were originally published in RAIDS a few years ago... ;)

[Lobo]

Those pictures from Spanish teams show GEO (CT), GOES (SWAT) and some Civi Guard members I wouldn't say belong to UEI or GAR.

[BiZ]

Western Australian Police Tactical Response Group (TRG) demonstration in 2002.

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[deutschersoldat]

some pictures from the german gsg9





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<<<<<<<<<< ALL THESE PICTURES ARENT VERY NEW. MANY YEARS OLD

[fantassin]

Notice that the Bundesgrenzschutz uses Puma and Super Puma helicopters unlike the Heeresflieger.

[deutschersoldat]

yes, they do

they arent from the army

they from the federal border guard

[SuperDucky]

In december 1997, it was outside the Swedish embassy in Moscow.
You wouldn't happen to have any information websites that would include images or videos would you?

:)

[ALBANIAN]

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[AK-Lover]

http://www.nationalism.org/sf/YuArmy/Bujanovac-DvaPanduraElita.jpg
Special military police units in kosovo.
http://www.nationalism.org/sf/YuArmy/BBB-Vojska.jpg
Special police unit's investigate shooting in serb occupied zone of kosovo.
http://www.nationalism.org/sf/YuArmy/Bujanovciii.jpg
Special Police Units doing sting on terrorist operations in kosovo.
http://www.nationalism.org/sf/YuArmy/Bujanovci-PandurLegitimise.jpg
Special Police officer interviews elderly albanian man after recent shootings.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1350000/images/_1351218_300_ap_serbsflag.jpg
Special Police unit's after taking back of kosovo buffer zone in 2001.
woot

[ibstolidude]

AkLover - they didn't TAKE back anything - they were given it back by NATO in recognition of the actions of Kustinica - it was too allow polics and Special police to conduct operations against UCPMB in Presevo.

[AK-Lover]

Well i guess you could be right. But they did take (handed back to them) it back from NATO. Obviuosly not as invade. :D

[ALBANIAN]

Well i guess you could be right. But they did take (handed back to them) it back from NATO. Obviuosly not as invade. :D

or sterminate! INVADE? It's not your land brother!

This si an article of New York Times
http://www.alb-net.com/kcc/ravaging.htm

some of sory

http://www.alb-net.com/juka1.htm#15

These are some images of brillant operations of serb police

http://www.alb-net.com/warcrimes-img/lybeniq.htm

http://www.alb-net.com/warcrimes-img/abri.htm

http://www.alb-net.com/kcc/recak.htm

this below is a intervention of SAJ

http://www.alb-net.com/warcrimes-img/prekaz.htm

http://hrw.org/campaigns/kosovo98/photo.shtml

I understand that you think that's a good job, that western invaders didn't permit you to terminate.

But remember that the same western invaders, have saved the world, serbian asses too, from nazism and communism.

[Icarus_222]

LYON, FRANCE: A GIPN (Special Police Forces) and an EKAM (Greek Special Police Forces) officers pose for photographers during a training in Lyon 22 October 2003, as part of a security cooperation between France and Greece prior to the 2004 Olympic Games in Athens. Fifteen EKAM officers will be trained by the GIPN from 20 to 24 October in Lyon. AFP PHOTO PHILIPPE MERLE (Photo credit should read PHILIPPE MERLE/AFP/***** Images)
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OLYMPIA, GREECE: A Greek special police sniper looks through binoculars before the Olympic Flame lighting ceremony in the ancient stadium of Olympia, 25 March 2004. The flame, symbolizing the Olympic spirit, will burn at the Athens Olympic Games starting August 13-29. AFP PHOTO/ Aris MESSINIS. (Photo credit should read ARIS MESSINIS/AFP/***** Images)
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[ibstolidude]

Well i guess you could be right. But they did take (handed back to them) it back from NATO. Obviuosly not as invade. :D
@@@@@@@@


Presevo is absolutely Serb land.
IF I am not mistaken he was discussing the mandatory zone of seperation that surrounded Kosovo during the early NATO intervention. NATO/International Coalition allowed the Serbian Police and Special POlice back into that region as it became a safe haven for those conductig actions against authorities in Presevo and Northern Macedonia.

Watch the flame inciting posts.
Lets not have repeat of several other threads spilling again onto this one.

[ALBANIAN]

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[CannibalSquirel]

http://digilander.libero.it/albanianfirearms/ren3.JPG

Where is this guy from? :roll:

[tooms]

Does GIPN use G36 now ? what are the weapons they received recently?
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[fantassin]

RAID and some GIPNs have used G-36s for at least three years now.

The GIPNs should also receive some Blaser 93 sniper rifles pretty soon to replace the old Steyr SSG.

[ALBANIAN]

http://digilander.libero.it/albanianfirearms/ren3.JPG

Where is this guy from? :roll:

Albanian Police Counter Terrorist Unit
RENEA

[squeak]

What SWAT teams Australia and New Zeeland have?
And what Wepon's they use?
Greatings Leo

New Zealand has three SWAT style teams.

The NZSAS CT team is your everyday dookickers. Noraml sort of stuff there.

As for the New Zealand Police. First you have to understand they are primarily a un-armed police force. However there are exceptions to this rule such as the armed police patrolling the international airports. Due to national Security Requirements they have to be armed. (This is pre-9/11) They have a glock 17 on their hip.

Every station has a bunch of weapons. The Glock 17 and some type of bolt action Rifle, I have heard of them using a Ruger 7 .223 but can't 100% confirm that.

The units of police are broken down into different tasks. The Sgts vehicles have secure lock boxes in the boot (trunk, for you yanks) which hold the Glocks and bolt action rifles. If a job requires them to be armed the units responding to the job go to a SAP or Safe Arrival Point and get tooled up.
The dog units (Handler and German Shepard) normally carry around a glock 17 aswell as all these guys are AOS trained.

Then we come to the fun stuff!

The AOS or Armed Offenders Squad was formed back in 1964 because 4 cops were killed with a few weeks of each other. The police wanted a specialty unit to deal with armed and dangerous criminals.
It has evolved over the years from a some what para-military/militia organisation to a well trained cohesive unit.
Basically these are you average SWAT style units. There are 17 that cover the country. They respond to where they are needed, but have to go to the local squadroom to get tooled up first as they do not carry around the weapons needed for jobs in the back of their cars as is like in many US SWAT units.
Normal response time is about 20mins to half and hour for your average city.
Their normal SOP is one of cordon, contain and appeal.
They were equipped with old Vietnam era M-16s (Semi) but now all have new (and they are brand new) M-4 carbines. A selection of night sights, reflex sight and obvioulsy normal iron sights are avaliable to use with these M-4s.
Snipers have a few different ones here and there. Some hunting style ones have been around for a while, but they are getting into Accuracy International .308 alot more. Again different sights including night sights are avaliable.
Shotguns are also in the arsenal.
All members carry a Glock 17 as sidearm.
Women are allowed in AOS and the current Boss of Christchurch AOS is a women. (Good for all you women out there) however there has only ever been a handfull ever operational with the AOS.
They don't have any sort of explosive door charges for EMOE but have stun grenades, smoke and CS gas.
Dog handlers are also with the AOS.
Also have NVGs and all the gadgets you would expect.

The STG (Special Tactics Group) formally known as the Anti-Terrorist Squad has been around a lot less than the AOS. The police officers who are in the STG only come from the three main centres Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch. This is due to the closeness to airports, and in the event of a STG callout they would have to have a rocket up their arse and there is no time to be ****ing around out in Yokel Country.

STG are mainly an assault force. I am unsure if they have sniper sections (but one would assume so).
Weapons are the standard Glock on the hip, and the MP-5 including supressed versions.
Not alot is ever EVER said about these guys, for reasons of national security. These guys don't have any dog handlers with them.
These guys cross train with the SAS CT team and have all the Wizz Bangs for EMOE.
Both are Part time units.

As of time of writing 26 police officers have lost their lives while on the job.
Only 16 Offenders have been killed by police.

I have seen on many occasions the AOS out and about either on operations (door kicking meth labs or gang HQs)or callouts.
I did see a while back both types on a call out to a bus hijacking. They smashed in thw windows thru stungrenades and stormed the bus looking for a gunman. The gunman was a kid with a air pistol, who had threatened the bus driver.
Honestly, if the kid had raised the weapon in anger, he wouldn't be on this earth now. He did however give up and no one was hurt.
I didn't realise the STG were on this job until I saw a man in black kit walk past me with a MP-5SD and only pieced together what occured afterwards.

AOS were out on a callout in Christchurch last friday night, (man with a gun) and this evening they were out and about doing who knows.

The NZ police have just had a major AT excercise, not alot said about it. But there was the threat of dirty bombs, (Not nuclear, but CBW) and the AOS and STG were being used those days it was on.


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Again about 10-15yrs old.

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Photo taken late last year. Vehicle checkpoint looking for armed gang members.


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Gangs again.

There seems to be a trend in the NZ police. The dog section members have shaved heads and the AOS have really expensive sunglasses. :lol:

[illyrian]

Albanian special Police FNSH

http://www.mpo.gov.al/mpo/FNSH/fnsh3.jpg

http://www.mpo.gov.al/mpo/FNSH/fnsh5.jpg

http://www.mpo.gov.al/anglisht/images/aksion2.jpg

http://www.mpo.gov.al/anglisht/images/speciale1.jpg

[RomanS]

http://www.mpo.gov.al/anglisht/images/speciale1.jpg

thats police?

DAMN

If I'm ever a hostage in Albania, and those guys come to rescue me. Would be hard to see the difference between the terrorists and theese guys.

Seriously, though what is up with the uniform?

[Stavka]

Seriously, though what is up with the uniform?

Other than the fact that it is nowhere near present? ;)

Maybe these guys are some sort of temporarily formed Militia/Police?

[ARBERESH]

http://www.mpo.gov.al/anglisht/images/speciale1.jpg

thats police?

DAMN

If I'm ever a hostage in Albania, and those guys come to rescue me. Would be hard to see the difference between the terrorists and theese guys.

Seriously, though what is up with the uniform?

The first on left is me.
It's a simulation of what we called "to be a bitch".
I must be sincere, it was as result of problems with the secret, as in all post communist countries, were problems of secrets.
So we trained to go out of the center with civil clothes, gather in a RV point near the objective, put the gears, and go.

[RomanS]

http://www.mpo.gov.al/anglisht/images/speciale1.jpg

thats police?

DAMN

If I'm ever a hostage in Albania, and those guys come to rescue me. Would be hard to see the difference between the terrorists and theese guys.

Seriously, though what is up with the uniform?

The first on left is me.
It's a simulation of what we called "to be a bitch".
I must be sincere, it was as result of problems with the secret, as in all post communist countries, were problems of secrets.
So we trained to go out of the center with civil clothes, gather in a RV point near the objective, put the gears, and go.

wearing ski masks, and holding Aks makes you a great civilian.

What is it, some kind of a cheap version of our GRU ?

[ARBERESH]

http://www.mpo.gov.al/anglisht/images/speciale1.jpg

thats police?

DAMN

If I'm ever a hostage in Albania, and those guys come to rescue me. Would be hard to see the difference between the terrorists and theese guys.

Seriously, though what is up with the uniform?

The first on left is me.
It's a simulation of what we called "to be a bitch".
I must be sincere, it was as result of problems with the secret, as in all post communist countries, were problems of secrets.
So we trained to go out of the center with civil clothes, gather in a RV point near the objective, put the gears, and go.

wearing ski masks, and holding Aks makes you a great civilian.

What is it, some kind of a cheap version of our GRU ?

No sincerely Pemsky, are very good guys, work well, have passion, and do their best. But I have to admit, local police is very untrained, some times unreliable. They are very much interventions to do.
Me seems as this russian guy here.





http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/moscow_hostage_incident/mos6.jpg

[-Max2-]

Wow, they use AKs for CQB and hostage rescue ?! :roll:

Its not the most adapted weapon for CT/SWAT missions IMO. Woudnt want to be rescued by those guys...

[ARBERESH]

Wow, they use AKs for CQB and hostage rescue ?! :roll:

Its not the most adapted weapon for CT/SWAT missions IMO. Woudnt want to be rescued by those guys...

Man, is a training of an intervention in a building.

[RomanS]

Wow, they use AKs for CQB and hostage rescue ?! :roll:

Its not the most adapted weapon for CT/SWAT missions IMO. Woudnt want to be rescued by those guys...\
You would rather die by terrorists than?

[MaDuce]

Lol aks arent good choice for tactical CT get some cheap SMG lie this
http://world.guns.ru/smg/agram.jpg
Or this
http://world.guns.ru/smg/m23.jpg

[RomanS]

Lol aks arent good choice for tactical CT get some cheap SMG lie this
http://world.guns.ru/smg/agram.jpg
Or this
http://world.guns.ru/smg/m23.jpg

Nuh,

Russian BIZON does the Job just FINE. It is one of the best in the world.

Viktor Kalashnikov tested other SMGs in the sand chamber, but only Bizon passed it. It was on Sundance Channel as a documentary.

THe Reason Russian CTs use AKs, is because we are facing profesional terrorists in Russia. They are veterans of a Chechen war, and know our tactics inside out. Most of the time our CTs want to take them out, not to damage them with 9mms

Example
NORTH HOLLYWOOD SHOOT OUT 1997

[ARBERESH]

Lol aks arent good choice for tactical CT get some cheap SMG lie this
http://world.guns.ru/smg/agram.jpg
Or this
http://world.guns.ru/smg/m23.jpg

Why cheap!
We have lot of expensive

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/avatars/1983106054068878989e8a.gif

[-Max2-]

Man, is a training of an intervention in a building.

If its a training of an intervention, they should use their standard weapons then, not AKs... ;)

And what do they use for interventions in buildings ?

[RomanS]

I don't think Albania can afford to have Bizons or Kedr

[-Max2-]

THe Reason Russian CTs use AKs, is because we are facing profesional terrorists in Russia. They are veterans of a Chechen war, and know our tactics inside out. Most of the time our CTs want to take them out, not to damage them with 9mms



With a 7.62 AK, there are risk of overpenetration. You can kill/wound hostages or even teammates with a AK in CQB...

[RomanS]

THe Reason Russian CTs use AKs, is because we are facing profesional terrorists in Russia. They are veterans of a Chechen war, and know our tactics inside out. Most of the time our CTs want to take them out, not to damage them with 9mms



With a 7.62 AK, there are risk of overpenetration. You can kill/wound hostages or even teammates with a AK in CQB...

Most of the CTs with AKMs and PKs will stay in the rear for support if needed. In example if terrorists open up with heavier arms, or wear bulletproof gear.

The storming group always enters with AKS74s and AKS-74Us. Now majority of the special groups starting to use Bizons and Kedr
We will be talking with a few OMSN groups, they wanted to share their experience with the 9mm in operations.

[MaDuce]

MP5 is still the daddy

[ARBERESH]

I don't think Albania can afford to have Bizons or Kedr

Are you sure ;)
Here I'm enemy of a stupid russian as you rofl , but I know that's neccesary to have good friens from all the parts!

http://world.guns.ru/sniper/vss2.jpg