George W. Bush is a complete moron and a disgrace!!!

[obd]

George W. Bush, the current and hopefully not future president of the United States, is not only a disgrace to this country, a threat to world peace and stability, a threat to the environment, a threat to individual freedom and rights, a threat to all people who want a smaller and less intrusive government (what Republicans USED to be about) that spend less of taxpayers money, a threat to religious freedom and the time honored value of the seperation of church and state so that not just Southern Baptist nut cases have rights, he is also a complete moron!!

I mean, under Bush, individual rights have been destroyed by the Patriot act, the goverment is spending more than it ever has of taxpayers dollars, the government has gotten involved in "faith based initiatives" which is just a catch phrase for "lets make the whole damn country born again Christian lunatics", the government is lessening environmental standards, is getting us involved all over the world in one unendding impossible war after another that will drain America of its resources, it is lowering spending on education, etc etc etc.

BUT HOLD ON A MINUTE!!!! George gave us all $300 dollars as tax relief. He lowered our taxes!!!! We owe him something right? unfortunately, to lower our taxes he also ran the deficet Bill Clinton lowered up to a trillion again so we will all have to pay it back in the future anyway which is going to eat up that 300 he gave us real real fast and then some. Here is a link to george Bush's retardedness justi n case you doubt me.......
http://www.bushisms.com/

[Maverick77]

****in Westerners............

Got it too good.

Go to Somalia or some ****hole like that.

Then make us a writeup.

[Midtown]

no kidding, seriosly, I didnt vote for bush, but you dont hear me bitching, WHY? cause this is my country, even if you dont like the leader, you stand behind it. If you arent gonna root for the team, get the **** out of the stadium.

[WARPIG]

Bushisms? His whole political career is rendered a failure by a dip**** that can't even figure out how to use "spellcheck" because of a bunch of soundbytes and speech blunders?

Well, if we are going to base intelligence on grammer, speech, or language skills.... OBD is just one syllable short of being a shaved monkey.


justi n case you doubt me....... <<<this is about the only thing we don't doubt!

[Tengu]

justi n case you doubt me....... <<<this is about the only thing we don't doubt!ahhahahahaa rofl

[Roger Rabbit]

Dammit don't you just hate it where you live in a free country where people have the freedom to eleact who you want. I mean its a real bugger when someone is democratically elected and you dont like them. Wish i lived in a dictatorship, of course then i wouldn't be able to bitch, whine and complain so logically speaking i would be happy because i wouldnt be moaning about anything. Viva la dictators.

[wholagun]

I think its safe to say (not using any formal number from any poles) that Bush is by far the least liked of recnet American presidents. Some to few people in foreign countries like him, but majority hates him. I am not a big fan of Bush either.

[He219]

I think its safe to say (not using any formal number from any poles) that Bush is by far the least liked of recnet American presidents. Some to few people in foreign countries like him, but majority hates him. I am not a big fan of Bush either.
Pure conjecture, my friend. While Bill Clinton may have been liked internationally, he still fares worse in popularity domestically.

This is not a thread, it's a rant ...

:roll:

[Gordon]

and for god's sake use paragraphs!

[Seiyuuki]

So...anyway...I got like a Chemistry midterm in 6 hours and then a Computer Science midterm on Monday. I also have write a 4-6 pages English paper, due on Monday.

It is really windy outside right now. I didn't sleep at all last night, that make about 40-ish hours straigth without sleep.

[Old300]

Wholagun, you're wrong: President Bush is actually quite popular, especially compared with other presidents at this stage of their respective terms:

http://www.aei.org/docLib/20040108_EW_Jan04.pdf

I think Bush is a good President. He has increased domestic spending too much, but, like most Americans, I forgive him for that. The most important issue in our country is the war on terrorism, and he's fighting it better than any of his rivals could or would.

The concensus among journalists who have interviewed Bush, as well as former colleagues and visiting dignitaries who have spoken of their respective impressions of him, is that his intellect and understanding of issues are both vastly underrated. You may disagree with him. But do not underestimate him.

He's a Yale grad and a Harvard MBA. A successful businessman (granted, one who was helped by his family name). A two-term governor of a massive and complicated state. And chances are - still - he'll be a two term president of the most powerful and economically successful country in the history of man.

Just some things to think about...

[Seoulstriker]

man, why does organic chemistry have to be so difficult? i mean, i know it is a weed-out class for all pre-health (pre-med, pre-vet, etc), but wow. it's getting pretty intense.

when i got up this morning, i saw the outdoor temperature was -7F, with a -26F windchill. what a bitch.

you know what else pisses me off? my XFX 5900NU card can't have a bios flash of any sort. i can't stand how this works. i try to mod the bios just a little bit (like product ID, or manufacturer ID, etc), and then it says EEPROM programming failed! WTF?

i'm thinking i should try to erase the orginal ROM before programming the new ROM, but that seems kind of dangerous. what is really strange is that if i don't flash the bios with the original bios, it doesn't work. i have the 5950 bios for my manufacturer card, and it can't be flashed to my bios. i hope i don't have to do a hardware modification to the card to get the 5950 VCORE and VMEM.

what is so great about the increased voltages is that i can overclock much farther past where i am now. i'm getting the low-voltage hiccups when i clock past 449 on the core. i get serious graphical corruption when i move my vmem past 933, but i have enough memory bandwidth as it is. ;)

if i get the voltage mod eventually, i can probably get up to 475-500mhz on the core for some serious pwnage. i really hope i don't have to do a hardware mod.


at least it's friday today, so i can have some free time finally. this week was a bitch. and it's only the second week of the semester! :( calc 2 isn't too bad, but my lit course is a lot of reading, and i'm not very efficient at reading literature.

hopefully i can get some research position soon. i have a bunch of volunteering to spice up my med school app, and i'm taking the MCAT in the spring of next year, so i am going to be stressed out nicely.

:-*$

[wholagun]

old300 what you gave me only gave national figures. I was refering Bush's rating internatianlly. I have not met anyone, not a single person here in Canada that has yet to say "I like Bush I support his actions" Iv seen people on TV and here on this forum but I have not yet come accross a person outside the US who likes Bush. Europeans arn't too fond of him either. Thats why said (without any formal proof or poles) that Bush is dislkied internationally more then other presidents. Now I may be totally off, I am only basing my opinon on my experiences and news stories and this forum.
When Bush's name gets said in my lecture or joke about Bush is said everyone laughs or talks crap about Bush.

[Herrmannek]

old300 what you gave me only gave national figures. I was refering Bush's rating internatianlly. I have not met anyone, not a single person here in Canada that has yet to say "I like Bush I support his actions" Iv seen people on TV and here on this forum but I have not yet come accross a person outside the US who likes Bush. Europeans arn't too fond of him either. Thats why said (without any formal proof or poles) that Bush is dislkied internationally more then other presidents. Now I may be totally off, but base on my experience I haven't met anyone.
When Bush's name gets said in my lecture or joke about Bush is said everyone laughs or talks crap about Bush.

O.K. I don't dislike Bush............

[NcDeuce]

MCAT

http://www.onlineathens.com/images/101200/parents2.jpg

Focker didn't ace his MCATS! rofl

[wholagun]

old300 what you gave me only gave national figures. I was refering Bush's rating internatianlly. I have not met anyone, not a single person here in Canada that has yet to say "I like Bush I support his actions" Iv seen people on TV and here on this forum but I have not yet come accross a person outside the US who likes Bush. Europeans arn't too fond of him either. Thats why said (without any formal proof or poles) that Bush is dislkied internationally more then other presidents. Now I may be totally off, but base on my experience I haven't met anyone.
When Bush's name gets said in my lecture or joke about Bush is said everyone laughs or talks crap about Bush.

O.K. I don't dislike Bush............

I know people like him, thats not what I am saying. I am just saying that I have yet to come face to face with a person that does. Even Americans I know here on campus are quite vocal in their disaffection for Bush.

[Seoulstriker]

i'll do well enough (probably mid-thirties. hopefully). :|

[NcDeuce]

Southern Baptist nut cases have rights,

You haven't met many Southern Baptists, have you?


threat to world peace and stability

And terrorists aren't?


threat to individual freedom and rights

You aren't gay...are you?


that spend less of taxpayers money

Do some research on how much money Democratic Presidents have spent in office? They are roughly the same amount, but just spend it differently.


a threat to religious freedom and the time honored value of the seperation of chruch and state

When was the last time yall had government officials show up in one of your worship services? Do you even attend service?


he is also a complete moron

We have been over this many times. Post your resume on here and we will compare.


"lets make the whole damn country born again Christian lunatics",

Lunatics? So those liberal Pro-Choice, baby-killing hippies are not lunatics?


government is lessening environmental standars

My state is actually raising its enviromental standards for automobiles, particularly tractor-trailers. Where do you live?


george Bush's retardedness

I can't remember if I asked you yet...are you a homo?


or just dumb?

[Old300]

Well, Wholagun, my first instinct is to say, "So what if foreigners don't like him?" But, because of America's great international importance, I suppose it really does matter what y'all think about him.

And there's no use denying that most non-Americans dislike him. So maybe it would be helpful to ask why you think he's a "moron". Why, exactly, is he a "disgrace"?

Now, before you roll your eyes - after all, we've heard most of the arguments about the President before - it might be useful to stop and consider whether your opinion of him his justified.

Is it an emotional response (i.e. "I hate that stupid cowboy!"). Or is it rational (i.e., "I can't stand that prisoner-executing, Bible-believing, war-starting President")? If it's rational, then I can consider your reasons, and we all can argue about it. As it stands now, we can't.

[obd]

To say that you should just blindly support your leader is such a complete load of crap. When Clinton was elected did the Republicans support him because he was our leader. Nope, they spent millions of dollars trying to prove he got a blowjob. Who cares?? Not me. And yes, I dont use spellcheck and I type really fast on a laptop keyboard (which is very small) so there will be errors. This is just a post , not a midterm paper. Oh yeah, and I think those liberal hippy "we are the world Coombayah" people are just as damn crazy and messed up as the conservative hyper religious nutbags who want to bring back a theocracy and start teaching bible history and "God made the world for us children, all those dinasaur bones they keep digging up are just a global scheme to rid the world of the goodness of Jesus Chrits!!".....

I love my country and I am a patriot but I dont love the current leader. My father and my two uncles served in Vietnam. My dads ok but one of my uncles died and another has "issues" from it. My brother is in the Marines now but hasnt deployed to Iraq yet (he's over in "Sushiland" right now). And, get this, my sister is a Muslum, my father is a Catholic and my mother and I are athiests. So I guess I live in an odd family. Its definately "entertaining" sometimes.... hehe.. but I support them all 120%.

Being a patriot is not about blindly supporting the current leader, who by the way was not popularly elected anyway, its about standing up for what you believe is best for your country and oppossing someone in a power position who is doing things, like destroying the environment, trying to re-establish theocracy, alienating Europe, driving up the deficit into the trillions, creating federal instituions which destroy peoples privacy and individual rights etc etc etc... All Bush's presidency has been about so far is corprate pay offs. I mean, H_E_L_L_O people, non competitive bidding for reconstruction worth hundreds of million...does that not sound a bit shaddy to you...... especially when its a company the vice prez used to be involved in?

Oh and lots of the "good" environmental programs and progress is not because of Bush, it because of Clinton. Bush has done NOT A DAMN THING for the environment. And yeah, if you uphold clean air emissions on cars but then lower the emissions standards on power plants, buisnesses, private homes, etc it kinda defeats the purpose now doesnt it???

Fact is, all you people out there who support Bush because he is our leader and believe honestly thats what one should do arnt patriots at all , just idiots. A true patriot fights for what he believes is best for his country and would never support anyone who he feels is dishonoring or embarrasing the nation or taking ti in the wrong direction....... At least thats how I feel. Let me just say this, I hope to hell a bleeding heart liberal hippy kid isnt elected over Bush or all you people who believe in "faith for the leader" are gonna be in real trouble when you start sporting those dyed shirts and smokin weed..........

[wholagun]

@old300
Well my opinion of Bush is not cause of his cowboy gun slinging view in the medai, although I have seen some pretty funny cartoons of Bush dress in cowboy clothes with guns blazing.

Jokes aside.

1) Bush favours big business I don't
2) Bush doctrine - you are with us or against us, no more unilateralism, left allies hanging
3) War in Iraq was not justified (WMD)? now he's back peddeling.
4) He wanted (not sure if he still does) drill in the arctic for oil
5) He didn't ratify Kyoto

[NcDeuce]

Southern Baptist nut cases

You haven't met many Southern Baptists, have you?


George W. Bush is a threat to world peace and stability

And terrorists aren't?


George W. Bush is a threat to individual freedom and rights

You aren't gay...are you?


that spend less of taxpayers money

Do some research on how much money Democratic Presidents have spent in office? They are roughly the same amount, but just spend it differently.


George W. Bush is a threat to religious freedom and the time honored value of the seperation of chruch and state

When was the last time yall had government officials show up in one of your worship services? Do you even attend service?


he is also a complete moron

We have been over this many times. Post your resume on here and we will compare.


"lets make the whole damn country born again Christian lunatics",

Lunatics? So those liberal Pro-Choice, baby-killing hippies are not lunatics?


government is lessening environmental standars

My state is actually raising its enviromental standards for automobiles, particularly tractor-trailers. Where do you live?


george Bush's retardedness

I can't remember if I asked you yet...are you a homo?


or just dumb?



PARAGRAPHS or at least BREAKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :fork:

[wholagun]

OBD dude I agree with you. But it hurts to read what your writing cause of your lack of paragraphs. Really go back and edit it, im sure it took you along time to write that but as it stands right now it hurts to read that, make some paragraphs, that way its much more reading friendly.

[obd]

Oh yeah and I did some research as you suggested on the fiscal policy of the last 10 presidents and guess what: Bush has spent vastly greater sums of money and has increased the beaucracy of the federal government more tha any other president, Republican or Democrat, in the last 15 years.........He has also repealed more environmental protections acts and lowered more standards for clean air than ANY other president in history. Now I dont care where your political allegience is but when you start getting lung cancer and your kids get asthma and upper respritory problems maybe then you will realize we only have one planet and we are ****ing it over pretty bad. Oh yeah, just because I wish to preserve the environment and believe in replacing what we take out at a reasonable level doesnt mean Im some hippy. The only thing I hate more than religious conservative nut cases and the 700 club are liberal hippy punks. By the way, I just got back from the gym and had a can of tuna fish for my post workout protein and I cant eat any more for the next week or so because the FDA warns that fish these days contain so many industrial petro chemicals its unhealthy to eat much of it................

[NcDeuce]

Being a conservative Republican doesn't mean we like to see entire forests and wildlife habitats destroyed.

I love fishing. I love hunting. I love boating. I love swimming. Do I want to swim in a river or lake that is unsafe and dirty? Hell no. Do I want to fish in a lake with poisoned fish? Hell no. Do I realize some pollution is inevitable? Yes. Would I like to see stricter guidelines on gas/automobile emissions/etc.? Of course! But I am not going to blame everything on one man, geez.

[Trigger]

Wow! that whale exploded in the humor forums and a whole bunch of the guts 'n sh*t landed in the General Discussion forum under the name 'obd'.
Pity.
Someone bump Argyll's poem please. It's a far better read.

[obd]

Hehe, very creative Trigger. Nice to see you can link two things from two totally different sections of this webpage and create such a funny little sentence. I must say Im impressed. Do it again!!!!

[wholagun]

Being a conservative Republican doesn't mean we like to see entire forests and wildlife habitats destroyed.

I love fishing. I love hunting. I love boating. I love swimming. Do I want to swim in a river or lake that is unsafe and dirty? Hell no. Do I want to fish in a lake with poisoned fish? Hell no. Do I realize some pollution is inevitable? Yes. Would I like to see stricter guidelines on gas/automobile emissions/etc.? Of course! But I am not going to blame everything on one man, geez.

Well politicians are responsbile whether they like it or not. Bush is too lax on environment. I know pollution is inevitable but he can at least pass some stricter legisaltion. If im not mistaken it was Clinton that made several national parks and Bush recalled Clintons legisation.

[UkrainianAmerican]

in terms of pure intelligence (not that it ever matters irl) bush is actually well above average (1200's on the SATs, 1000 being average)

[Old300]

Wholagun, I won't disagree with you about the President "favoring big business": I would simply argue that, to the extent that the notion of "favoring" an entire class of businesses over and above other, unnamed classes of business and non-businesses (i.e. big business v. small business; some big business v. other big businesses; or big business v. everything else?) is incomprehensible.

As for unliateralism: there was nothing unilateral about the war in Iraq. Everyone reading this forum knows about the dozens of countries with troops on the ground there. If by "unilateral" you mean, "without UN Security Council approval", then I suppose you're right. But by that logic, the war in Kosovo was unilateral - which is nonsense; as were the interventions of France in Ivory Coast, Britain in Sierra Leone, etc. ad nauseum - which were truly unilateral, but were (sensibly) not criticized for being so. "Unilateral" is therefore not a useful criticism of Bush foreign policy.

Everyone thought Iraq had WMD. Everyone: French intelligence; Iraqi soldiers with gas masks; everyone. It appears that everyone was wrong about WMD. But that doesn't render the war illegitimate. It was Iraq's responsibility under the 1991 cease fire agreement and subsequent UN resolutions to account for its WMD. It never did so. Inspections were good at finding what the inspectors knew existed; and to dispose of that material. They were useless at finding materials that Iraqis didn't want them to find. It took an invasion to figure out what neither the UN inspectors nor the Iraqis themselves could prove.

We already drill in the Arctic for oil. America's largest field is in Prudhoe Bay. It has been proposed that further production commence on a few hundred acres in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge just to the east of Prudhoe. Is it a good idea? Maybe not. Is it a big deal? Well, the experience of Prudhoe suggests that it isn't.

As for Kyoto: President Clinton signed the treaty knowing it would go nowhere. Indeed, the Senate (which alone has the authority to ratify treaties) voted during Clinton's last term 95-0 not to ratify it. President Bush simply withdrew our signature from a treaty that had already been rejected by the Senate.

edited for grammar

[Parzival]

America needs a President with more knowledge about the World.
The USA is a good country. With a bad leader.

[obd]

You very correct. In fact Bush has "recalled", as you put it, a great number if Clinton envoronmental innitiatives. Oh yeah and the latest Bulls+it is that for his re-election bid Bush wants us to "go to Mars very soon".

To do this he has pushed NASA to cancel funding for the Hubble telescope, a device that has brought some of the most fascinating images of space ever recorded and continues to teach scientists much about the universe, and let the thing just drift and become space junk. What is he a moron or what?? Now I hear that the WORLD has responded with such outrage over Bush destroying hubble as part of his idiotic little re-election campaign Mars ploy and that NASA is reconsidering.

Lets hope one of the greatest scientific instruments for exploring space isnt destroyed by Bush's pure idiocy. And yeah, I support Mars exploration but not before we spend a few trillion on our own damn planet. After all, Mars aint a pretty place to live (they say within 15 generations assuming we colonize mars, the gravity and environment will have created much shorter and stockier humans not to mention killer electric storms and a nearly unsurvivable winter) but I like planet earth just fine at the moment.

When are polticians going to do whats best for the country and not whats best for themselves?? That goes for ALL poltiicians, including the ones in Congress who voted themselves a nice little bonus at the cost of millions of US dollars...............

When is a politcal carreer going to be about serving the nation you love and not serving your pocket books???

Maybe politicians should get the same pay as soldiers? After all, nobody joins the army to make money unless your a poor stupid bastard. Most people join up out of love for country and wanting to "give back" to the people they love and the nation they love.

I say take all money out of politics and make our politicians low wage earners, or at least middle class folks, and not millionares so no money hoarding corrupt bastards like....just about most of 'em.. ever get into power again!!! I want people like John Mckain (spelling?), Colin Powel, General Wesley Clark, John Kerry types. All the rest are traitors and leech of this country and its people as far as Im concerned.....Most of Congress and the Senate are as corrupt as R. Kelly and can go to hell as far as I'm concerned.......

[Cael]

:) I'm a conservative Christian who love to Fish. Not to mention someone who lives in the Hippie land of Santa Cruz, Ca.
But I guess i'm not a:
"conservative hyper religious nutbags who want to bring back a theocracy and start teaching bible history and 'God made the world for us children, all those dinasaur bones they keep digging up are just a global scheme to rid the world of the goodness of Jesus Chrits!!'"

because as far as I know it this just put words in the mouths of many Christians who didn't say it.
And what the heck are Dinasaurs and Muslums?

[UkrainianAmerican]

America needs a President with more knowledge about the World.
The USA is a good country. With a bad leader.
The PRESIDENT needs to LEAD, not be a walking encyclopedia. His advisors are capable of the latter.

[JiJoMacLE45]

Hehe, very creative Trigger. Nice to see you can link two things from two totally different sections of this webpage and create such a funny little sentence. I must say Im impressed. Do it again!!!!

Sounds like a direct challenge to me Trig. Gentlemen face away from each other, take ten paces, turn, and fire.

[wholagun]

unilateral - well sure there are many countries. Sure there are alot of states. But really how much political support is US getting from say Mongolia, Hondures, Czech Rep, Ukrain, even Poland? Not much. And if you didn't foot the bill well you'd have no coalition. Had US got France and Germany on board thier expenses would've been alot smaller. US is playing Poland 300 or so million for the deployment. Its not the coalition of the willing but coalition of the billing. You guys (tax payers) are footing the bill and paying for everything.

Exon Valdeese - is a big fear of mine. Thing may be fine now but who's to say that in 5 - 10 years it will be fine. Accidents do happen keep that in mind.

US is in a position to create a new form of reusable clearn energy. I mena does the soccer mom have to have an attitude now - (soccer mom in Lincon Navigator) :cantbeli: So funny, especially when they try and park those tanks. Why doesn't he US create a new tech, with the amout of money that is spent on defense and fuel for tanks alone it would be worth it in the long run. I really think that it is the big oil corps that are keeping US behind - big donnations in exchange for keeping oil as the primary source of energy. US is in a spot where it can be left behind Europe and Japan in developing clean energy sources

[WARPIG]

As much as your post stinks of whale guts... I am relieved to see you are putting a little more thought to your verbal diarrhea obd.
I am honestly glad to see another view and opposing opinion. It is hard to give anyone who uses the "freedom of religion" and "seperation of church and state" arguments while saying crap like Sushiland, any credibility. You really need to get a look at the big picture. One quote comes to mind.
"Little things affect little minds." I can't remember the author.
Basically what I am saying is that you have your mind so wound up in the little details that fuel your personal bias, that you can't comment intelligently. You admit yourself that you have family that were "messed up" during Nam, your family is scattered spiritually, and that your an athiest. That just screams "anti-establishment."
Tax dollars spent to prove that Bill Clinton was an adulterer and a liar is ok? Bush is bad because he is rigid and stubborn about his personal and spiritual values.. yet Clinton is ok even though he knowingly let taxpayer money waste away to hide his immoral behavior?
Even your researched material is weak. What a piss-poor attempt at a flame. Stop F***ing whining about it! Go do your part! If the Dems have a better person for the job.. great! This whole " anyone but Bush" stupidity is ridiculous. None of us blindly follows him... we support his position. Of course that would be too deep of a concept for some civilian who goes to a military forum to debate politics with servicemen. You would be out of your depth in a piss stain obd.
Like I said... good to hear another opinion, just bring some credibility or at least some intelligence with it.

[Trident-za]

Sigh.... where would the world be without politics :)

A question, if I may?

What exactly makes obd anti-establishment? Being an aethiest, or having a family that suffered because of Vietnam? Or having a spiritually scattered family ? (wtf does that mean?) I fail to see any correlation at all between those factors and being "anti-establishment"...

Also, not trying to stir the pot at all, Im really curious: but how many of you guys supported Clinton, even though you disliked him - purely because he was the duly elected Commander-in-Chief and it was the patriotic thing to do?

[Seoulstriker]

I am really considering completely wiping out my bios and eeprom and then trying to flash the 5950 bios that way. there is some kind of error with the first 256 bytes, and i have a feeling that they prevent it from being overwritten in the hardware. i have a feeling that if i wipe out the old bios completely and put in the new bios, it might work.

but it is extremely risky. :(

i wouldn't want a dud for a video card. :)

[Old300]

Yes, Wholagun, the burden is disproportionately ours, but that would be true of any difficult military conflict in which the US participates. Strictly speaking, unilateral means "one sided". I understand that it has a colloquial sense that contemplates more than one side; but, nevertheless, I fail to see how a large collection of countries fighting a war and keeping a fragile peace is unilateral. The Left needs to come up with a meaningful definition of "multilateral": as it is, I fear that the word simply means "an action not vetoed by France". That's totally inadequate.

You'll find oil tankers everywhere in the world. And anyway the Exxon Valdez spill - terrible though it was - is small potatoes:

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001451.html

And I agree with you about new energy sources: they will make most oil production and much air pollution things of the past. That's one of the reasons why Bush pledged several billion dollars for hydrogen fuel cell research in last year's State of the Union address.

And although President Bush has strong ties to the oil industry, American high tech firms contribute far more to our GDP than they do. Indeed, tech firms are our biggest businesses, so I'm sure you'd agree that President Bush would "favor" them. No?

[FallenAngel]

for whoever mentioned the seperation of church and state, you're out of your mind if you think there is a actualy seperation. All it means is that Clergy can not par take in politics (no priests/ senators) and that the Government will leave the churches (all of them mind you) well enough alone. That's it. Period.

The fact that the US leans heavily upon Judeo Christinan values and moral as the basis for, among other things, our laws is a fact you're going to have to get used to. 85% of people in the US believe in God, the vast majority of that 85% is christian. We acknowledge the existance of God in our "slogan" if you will--> "In God We Trust".

If you REALLY want a place with no religous leanings, catch the next plane to North Korea. If you're not, shut up when a politician actually acts on his moral values which contradict your immoral liberal ways.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

You would be out of your depth in a piss stain obd.

rofl Nice one.

Obviously obd would prefer a polished and rehearsed liar like Clinton - wellspoken, appears sincere (occasionally biting his lower lip for emphasis), keeps Arafat waiting while he gets a hummer from his secretary on gov't time etc. to somebody who actually accomplishes something but isn't camera friendly.

Yeah, all he seems to be doing is mindlessly regurgitating the stale & discredited left wing mantra. I find it fascinating that these left wing types who are supposed to be all about inclusion, acceptance of all points of view, and the like, are the ones who spew the most venomous & mindless rhetoric. So it's "all points of view are welcome", as long as they agree with you, eh?

And that's what we have here is a fundamental difference of how things should be run. Democrats would bribe the masses with promises of "benefits", which many are to stupid to realize that they're actually paying for. At least Bush tells it like it is, warts and all - that sacrifices will have to be made if we are to achieve our goals.

Clinton - recent posterboy for Democrat values, is the one who wasted all that $ by consistently lying about what went on. If he had admitted to it, not a dime would have been spent. Instead, when he wasn't selling us out to the Chinese, he was putting his own interests ahead of those of the country.

JFK, the all-time posterboy for Democrats, would be completely unwelcome in today's Democratic party. He was anti-abortion, his fiscal policy was nearly identical to Reagan's, and was far, far to the right of today's Dems. Hell, he's to the right of most of today's Republicans. Our values continue to erode daily, with the Dems leading the charge.

Why are lumber/steel/most raw materials cheaper from overseas? Because they don't have to abide by our environmental or labor laws. Why doesn't anybody bitch at them? Of course, the jobs follow the raw materials, and eventually manufacturing goes too. And what we've got now is a huge trade imbalance. You simply cannot have it both ways. The Dems will lie to you & tell you there's a tooth fairy AND a Santa.

I'll listen to the left wing diatribe when the author is willing to live the lifestyle that his policies would result in. Instead, these jaggoffs live in an incredibly prosperous society, with abundant food, all the conveniences imaginable, and do nothing but complain about it.

[Old300]

Actually, FallenAngel, First Amendment jurisprudence doesn't prevent clergy from serving in congress.

Anyway, the clause, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. Or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" has come to mean, simply, that government cannot endorse one religion over another, or religion over irreligion, and vice-versa.

Regardless, I challenge anyone to cite an example of President Bush eroding the separation of Church and state. The fact that he is a committed Christian is entirely different from a delusion that he is a theocrat. As with so many criticism of the President, the notion that he has brought down even one brick of the wall of separation is not founded in fact.

[usa320]

I for one much rather have Bush for president than Clinton, or Dean, or Kerry... The only people i would vote for over bush is Colin Powell, but hes not running.

Bush is a man with a heart. He does the best damn job he can, and unfortunately, thats never good enough.

When he speaks, IMHO he speaks truth.

At least he has the balls to come out and say that there is a possibility iraq might NOT have WMD. If clinto were still in office, Saddam Hussein would still be sipping tea and watching PLayboy TV, and had clinton taken the same action as bush, he would have covered the whole thing up. Would have lied and said he never said a word about WMD.

At least Bush is truthful.


Speak for yurself fagbag, but not only do i not find bush a shame to this country, but you might even say im proud of this nation because of what bush is willing to do to protect freedom and prosperity.

WE got an old sayin. "Love it, or leave it".

Id suggest if you dont like it here, you and all your friends can move to france, or better yet, move to Iran, get an idea of how life was like in Afghanistan before George W Bush...but leave the radio here, unless you want to lose an ear.

[Trident-za]

Hmmm.... again, a question - if Hillary Clinton ever becomes president, will you follow your own advice (love it, or leave it)?

Personally, I don't know much about US politics. I actually quite like Bush as a person (not that I've met him) - he has the guts to do what he thinks is right, or at least he gives that impression. I also personally believe he does everything he does because he honestly believes it will make the world a better place. I don't always agree that this is the case, but.... the point remains the same.

[Cael]

Damnit, I can't figure this crap out.

[Seiyuuki]

Absolutely every government regulations is enforced by violence. If you've never seen the violence, it's because you've been careful, obedient, or lucky. Would regulations still be obeyed if the police, courts, and jails were dissolved?


The debate is controlled by the extremes, each side shouting out answers and accusations over the heads of the people in between who are kept from formulating questions by the din of the argument all around them. Each paints the other with a broader brush. Each has an arsenal of names and adjectives to deploy against the other side. No one listens. Everyone screams.


The road to truth is long and lined the entire way with annoying bastards.


The end is important in all things.

[admar2]

, it is lowering spending on education, etc etc etc.




just to pick one thing out, you gotta be kidding me! less spending on education???

check again idiot. do a little research.

[Luxembourger]

I think it s not correct to say that the democrats are all left dumbass guys
and the the republicans are all perfect.

Remember they are all americans . and remember that most people in 2000 voted for the democrats

Clinton did indeed make mistakes ...reducing military personnel closing bases ( but Cohen wanted to change the military issue , more money etc,, in 1999)


Well if CLinton got a blowjob or not .really come one did he therefor hurt the economy ?
I think he was a good leader who was not perfect and made mistakes.....but everyone make mistakes

As for Bush,,,I agreed on many issues what he did ..and I think he is ok although I prefer the democrats..
But I think it would not be good to have right now a democrat .....I don t know......because if a democrat becomes now president duirng the iraq issue this would chhange a lot and then new stragies and new opinions would come up from that new president which would harm the iraq campaign.. But In 2008 I hope a democrat will become it.. ( no offense on Bush who is ok ) but I must confess that Cheney and Rumsfeld really frightens me ,,,,,,I don t know but they really do .

concerning the enivronment issue.....it s a tough issue to discuss .


I want to see a president who is pro military , pro environment and who does a lot for average-poor americans who have not a lot of money

OH yeah about Clinton being a left idiot.....CLinton would be in europe a very right wing person...........left in america is not the same than in europe .


The last thing : I can t hear anymore this : " If you dont vote for the republicans you are not a patriot and you are a shame for your country"
That s so stupid ! There are many american soldiers who are democrats who support the fight against those bad guys in this world ...and if they vote for democrats it s their right to do so and it s bad to blame them for that !


BEING CRITICAL is a very important thing ..being critical of someone does not mean hate him or not support him.

[OzMan]

*Eyeroll* Here we go again...

Do I have to give another patriotic rant? This will be the second one in a week.

Before I get to deep, I'll sum it up, and if you care enough, you can read on: If you don't like it, the door's open. Pull up your dress and get the fvck out of my country.

I'd like to know where you do your research. Downloading off of anarchist and pure anti-Bush propoganda sites don't really help you out. They make me laugh when Comedy Central doesn't. I'd also like to know what your living situation is. Are you poor? Do you struggle from day to day? Or do you blow all of your ill-earned money on espressos, skateboards, and guitars? I'm 16 years old, have to pay everything on my car, and I work a decent job. As for all of this taxcut and refund crap, it doesn't matter to me. I usually bring in about $300 every two weeks, but lately that has been knocked down to about $270. I work the same hours, for the same pay. The taxes have cut me back a little bit, but I'm not complaining because I can LOOK AT SOME OTHER COUNTRY and know that I make more money in one hour than some others would in a week. I'm THANKFUL for that.

After I'm done looking at my paycheck, my eyes turn skyward at Old Glory flying in the wind, and realize that she's still flying today. As I've said before, this isn't 1940, we are not isolationist. We do the world's dirty work because no one else will. That flag still flies today because of our nation's brave young men and women, which I will remind you are ALL VOLUNTEERS, they want to be there. That flag still flies today because of your two uncles who fought in Vietnam, for my cousin who currently serves in a place I'm not allowed to know. For my grandfathers who both served during World War II, and for both of my uncles who served during Vietnam and afterward. It also flies today because guys like Bush have the balls to stand up to terrorists and hunt them down where they thrive.

So the economy has gone down a bit during Bush's time. So what? It takes money to keep that flag flying. I think he got dealt an odd hand to begin with, with 9.11 and all. The economy went down anyway because of that, and there was no way in hell that we were going to not commit forces to bringing those ****bags to justice. So we got the guys that did it, now what? Do you want to stop there, and let them build back up in another area, and let it happen again? I don't think so. You go after the source. You beat them to the punch, and stop them wherever they even think about going. You have to keep breathing down their necks like all of our parents once did (or at least should have) to keep them from getting out of line. You must be PERSISTENT because the enemy we face will not quit. Ever.

And it is our duty to aide those in need. That's why we went to Iraq. You can say what you want about oil and all that BS, but I'm not buying it. How could you possibly allow someone to control over half of his country's wealth, while the majority of his people live in fear and sheer poverty? It doesn't make sense to me. And I'm sorry, but I don't think that waiting for the UN would've made anything any better, when you look at their recent track record (Somalia, RWANDA, Balkans, Afghanistan). We didn't wait for the UN because we've done that before, and allowed things like the genocide in Rwanda in '94 to happen. We told them that we didn't have international support, and look what happened. You can bet your ass we wouldn' let that happen again. When they call our name, we go.

And the Patriot Act? What the fvck are you complaining about? It takes away rights? From who? Not me, not you, so who? It's not like they throw darts at phonebooks, and if it's your name, you better run. They are monitoring SUSPECTED TERRORISTS. They can bust down someone's door without any warning. So? Do you want to give a terrorist 5 minutes to "surrender" before you enter nicely and say please? WRONG. And those types of warrants happen all the time around this country. Ask any cop about "No-knock" warrants. And they can monitor you at any time? Are you doing anything suspicious? Anything that could land you time in jail? NO? Then what are you worrying about? And they can hold you without trial? So? We've got better things to worry about, like interrogating them and figuring out their next move, not letting the constantly left-drifting court system in this country deal with them.

And you think that there is no threat of a repeat 9.11 in this country? I'm sorry, but I work in the aviation industry, and some of the incidents I hear about are downright scary. There have been multiple times in the last few months where FBI agents have had to come to my airport to ask questions in relation to incidents in the region. So, don't think it's time to leave your door unlocked at night just yet.

So, in all, just stop complaining, or get the hell out. Like we've all said before, if you don't like it, leave. Look at some other country and be damn thankful that you have the freedoms you have today. And one more thing, you don't know what freedom is until you've either lost it or defended it, so just be happy that you have what you have. I have yet to find out what freedom truly is, or feels like, but I wake up every day of my PRIVELAGED life thanking God that he made me an American.

[He219]

The alternative (http://www.cycles3d.com/spacechads/dean_reloaded.wmv)?

;)

[NcDeuce]

Oh yeah and I did some research as you suggested on the fiscal policy of the last 10 presidents and guess what: Bush has spent vastly greater sums of money

I want to see facts to back up that claim. We were presented facts and statistics in my Poli. Sci. class that Bush is roughly spending the same amount of money as previous Presidents. This comes from a professor who is a Democrat, by the way.

[NcDeuce]

The alternative (http://www.cycles3d.com/spacechads/dean_reloaded.wmv)?

;)

Dean is fooking bongos.

[Skaman]

America is a decent nation, why let Bush ruin it?

[Maj12]

old300 what you gave me only gave national figures. I was refering Bush's rating internatianlly. I have not met anyone, not a single person here in Canada that has yet to say "I like Bush I support his actions" Iv seen people on TV and here on this forum but I have not yet come accross a person outside the US who likes Bush. Europeans arn't too fond of him either. Thats why said (without any formal proof or poles) that Bush is dislkied internationally more then other presidents. Now I may be totally off, I am only basing my opinon on my experiences and news stories and this forum.
When Bush's name gets said in my lecture or joke about Bush is said everyone laughs or talks crap about Bush.

You are totally off. I am a Canadian. I like Bush and I support his actions. I thank God everyday that someone is doing what our lameass, peacenik-appeasing, arrogant, ignorant lib leaders will never have the guts to do.

[-=TFN=-Karab]

obd.... I thought your entire message was pathetic... Try to have an all around perspective and not from the pessimistic, idiotic, liberal view... I support most, if not all the things he has done as the President of the United States. Quit complaining... that's all I hear from the Democrats, never sounds like they do anything helpful or have any good strengths except "talking trash".


"God made the world for us children, all those dinasaur bones they keep digging up are just a global scheme to rid the world of the goodness of Jesus Chrits!!".....
Lol, what the heck? Obviously you have no idea about Christianity... And people who call themselves Christians and say that stuff need to understand the Bible better, or first READ it. :bash:

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Its not that we dont have the guts to do it...its how can we afford it. We have a military around 9,000 troops strong. We'd be asking them to do the impossible by splitting them up from there current missions in Kosvo and Bosnia and Afghanistan, to fight another war.

Besides at the current rate our nations going we wont have an army in like 10 years.....

[Trident-za]

OK, as Ive said here already... I actually quite like Bush (I don't think he is a god like some of you, though). And the patriot act doesnt affect me. But damn, some people miss the point.....

The patriot act per se is not bad. The potential for corrupt cops/law enforcers to use this act for their own means is very bad.... Heard of Hoover? Even americans can be corrupt.... the laws are supposed to try and protect citizans from the potential for this kind of thing to happen. Heard of Mugabe? I'm sure his party spews the same rubbish : "what are you afraid of? You doing something wrong?" Heard of the laws during the apartheid era concerning the ability to monitor citizens? These kind of acts or laws are fraught with danger, unfortunately.... humans are imperfect.

Would it worry me if my government did the same thing? Yes.... not because I'm doing anything wrong, but because THEY might do something wrong. It takes the kind of faith in mankind that I don't have to support that kind of law.

[this by the way is not a "thing" against Bush, but against a potentially bad law/act]

Eagle, a very nice speech. I agree with you that you should wake up every day thanking god you were born american, rather than as an iraqi or something worse. A few points, though - you would still be an american under someone other than Bush. What antichrist website are you talking about? This whole religion thing seems to be a very emotive issue for a lot of americans.... Also, I suspect that being 16 years old doesn't really introduce you to the concept of tax very well (I still have no idea what the tax issue is, so don't argue tax laws with me please).

While I agree with your comments about WW2 and Vietnam, I'm not sure how it is pertinent to this thread.... Bush had nothing to do with either, neither did any of the current democrats (not that I can name 1). Your comments about "people in need" is also something i agree with - but most of the world's population is in need, including about 80% of Africa (at a guess). Is the US going there next?

OK, Im tired of typing.... in summary - you make excellent points, but they mostly seem unrelated the central issue of this thread (non-military thread that it is). If you have strong feelings about Bush thats great, but don't drag WW2 etc into it please.

And again, I'll ask the question: if the democrats happen to win the next election, will you leave the US?

[California Joe]

If I was President I'd get a blowjob.

To quote Mocking Loudly...."I like pies"

[James]

A true patriot fights for what he believes is best for his country and would never support anyone who he feels is dishonoring or embarrasing the nation or taking it in the wrong direction.

Amen.


America is a decent nation, why let Bush ruin it?

Thank you.


And it is our duty to aide those in need. That's why we went to Iraq. You can say what you want about oil and all that BS, but I'm not buying it.

??? Bush said that we were going to war because Iraq had WMDs and was an imminent threat to the national security of the United States.

I voted for Bush in 2000 because I preferred him to AL Gore. I was happy enough when he was elected. I was satisfied with the actions he directed our military to take in the wake of the attacks on 9/11/01. I was happy with him until the fall of 2002, when we began building up our forces in Kuwait.

I did not support going to war in Iraq. March 2003 marked the first time in our history that the U.S. started a war. Even if Iraq did have WMD, thousands and thousands of tons of WMD, I don't believe they posed a threat to the United States. The reasons Bush gave for going to war were, to me, irrelevant. It now appears clear that Iraq had little if any WMD stockpiles (yes...I know... we're still searching...).
If Bush had said "Look, Hussein is a tyrant, and we want to liberate the Iraqi people and give them freedom" before the war, I probably would've supported the war. I might have even re-enlisted. But that is not what he did. Now, more than 500 good American men and women, the finest our nation has to offer, have been killed, and Bush is basically saying "Oops! My bad."

I think that if you want to start a war, you should be absolutely sure about what you are doing, without estimates and assesments and best guesses. Blame bad intelligence, blame an aggressive NSC, but the ultimate responsibilty lies with Bush.

Anyway, I will not be voting for him this year. That's all I have to say about that.

[-=TFN=-Karab]

Vacon wrote:

America needs a President with more knowledge about the World.
The USA is a good country. With a bad leader.

And what has your leader done? I wish everyone wasn't so Anti-American or against the American Government...

[James]

Oh, and I completely disagree with those of you who are posting along the lines of "America, love it or leave it". Disagreeing with the government doesn't make one a traitor. It is one of the freedoms that makes America such a great place to live. America is the people and the place, not whoever is sitting in Washington D.C.

[TALOS]

old300 what you gave me only gave national figures. I was refering Bush's rating internatianlly. I have not met anyone, not a single person here in Canada that has yet to say "I like Bush I support his actions" Iv seen people on TV and here on this forum but I have not yet come accross a person outside the US who likes Bush. Europeans arn't too fond of him either. Thats why said (without any formal proof or poles) that Bush is dislkied internationally more then other presidents. Now I may be totally off, I am only basing my opinon on my experiences and news stories and this forum.
When Bush's name gets said in my lecture or joke about Bush is said everyone laughs or talks crap about Bush.

You are totally off. I am a Canadian. I like Bush and I support his actions. I thank God everyday that someone is doing what our lameass, peacenik-appeasing, arrogant, ignorant lib leaders will never have the guts to do.
Couldnt agree more... I am Canadian and think Bush was right to finally act on Iraq, 12 years was enough time for So Damn Insane to obey the UN resolutions.
And a point for all you Canadians who love to espouse Canadas moral abstaination from the war in Iraq. Canada said they would go if the UN approved, they didnt refuse cuz they thought it was wrong but, rather, because there was no vote, why? Because France said they would Veto any resolution period in relation to Iraq. Why? Cause France was still doin lucrative business with Iraq ignoring UN policy all along.
There were more than enough countries who agreed to vote to approve the action and France couldnt risk it, ergo, veto.

[Trigger]

America is a decent nation, why let Bush ruin it?
Militaryphotos.net is a decent website, yet we let you ruin it. :roll:

[Trident-za]

James, that is the most intelligent post I've seen on this forum..... it's so obvious, and yet....

[Trigger]

Hehe, very creative Trigger. Nice to see you can link two things from two totally different sections of this webpage and create such a funny little sentence. I must say Im impressed. Do it again!!!!
Actually I reference 3 things from different sections, but I guess we can add math to grammar on your list of weaknesses.

People like you who do nothing but bitch, whine and moan about the state of things never seem to have a solution. Why is that?

[duck]

Dubya has a good taste, though. My brother was in Austin, Tx some time ago and was invited to Fonda's, the favorite mexican haunt of the Bush family. Must be one of THE places for mexican food, the food is supposed to be great. ;)

[Beowulf]

Patriot act needs to be refined a bit to safeguard liberty.

Bush is indeed spending quite a bit, and should cut spending. The question is where?

Tax cuts are good. Even if they are income tax cuts.

I disagree with the immmigration policies coming from this administration as well.

I agree with the direction that this administration has taken per US foreign policy.

I suport OEF, I support OIF, and I support the GWOT. I encourage military as opposed to police action for the aforementioned operations.

Overall Bush is doing an excellent job. He's not perfect but I think that he acts according to what he thinks is right and best for this country. That is a quality that makes him a good leader, his choice of cabinet members makes him a great one.

Demagoguery is the worst characteristic for a politician and I see it in many of the Democratic candidates. Kerry, for example, is runing against his own voting record (he voted for the Patriot act, for the war in Iraq, and for the No child left behind act, and now roundly criticizes all three) Edit: Kery also voted for NAFTA.

Luckily the american people are not ready to accept the far left agenda of Moveon.org and their ilk, as can be seen by the dean and clark (Dean with medals) campaigns.

Kerry's associations of the past will definitely hurt him. I am truly disgusted by him more than any other democratic nominee. This man in my opinion, is no better than Hanoi Jane Fonda. He has given aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war. Kerry tries to gain credit from his military service now , when he led a group of veterans to throw their medals over a fence in front of the capitol. He didn't even throw his own medals! He kept his and they are hanging in his office today. http://slate.msn.com/id/2087554/

Anyway the point is Bush isn't perfect, but he's doing a great job and i think he is far and away better than any of the offering of the democratic party. Of course on the issue of abortion alone Bush has my vote.

-b

[California Joe]

I agree with Beetlejuicewulf.

[TALOS]

Oh, and I completely disagree with those of you who are posting along the lines of "America, love it or leave it". Disagreeing with the government doesn't make one a traitor. It is one of the freedoms that makes America such a great place to live. America is the people and the place, not whoever is sitting in Washington D.C.

I partially agree with you here, challenging Gov't is fine, calling down the Gov't for defending the way of life that westerners have and belittling that way of life is retarded. Thats when peeps say if you dont like it leave.
They are protesting Bush's actions inre IRAQ in order to attack him and so we say, go live in IRAN or one of those other non democratic Countries if you dont believe we should fight for what we have or to free others.
I am damn happy to live in the west, I dont want to live under a dictatorship and I would be the first to complain if thats the way our Gov't went here in Canada or in the States, and if others dont like the freedoms we have they can leave.

[James]

I partially agree with you here, challenging Gov't is fine, calling down the Gov't for defending the way of life that westerners have and belittling that way of life is retarded. Thats when peeps say if you dont like it leave.
They are protesting Bush's actions inre IRAQ in order to attack him and so we say, go live in IRAN or one of those other non democratic Countries if you dont believe we should fight for what we have or to free others.I am damn happy to live in the west, I dont want to live under a dictatorship and I would be the first to complain if thats the way our Gov't went here in Canada or in the States, and if others dont like the freedoms we have they can leave.

Okay... I THINK I understand what you're trying to say...

I completely disagree with the reasons Bush offered to America for war in Iraq. Therefore, I should move to Iran and see how much I enjoy life there.

Is my interpretation correct? Please advise.

[Beowulf]

despite the flamebait title this has turned into a fairly respectable thread.
What's wrong with everyone?

[James]

despite the flamebait title this has turned into a fairly respectable thread.
What's wrong with everyone?

Hmm... Good question. I'll start something.

Beowulf, it is my opinion that you are misguided vis-a-vis your opinions of President Bush.

There! :slap:

[Haiw]

despite the flamebait title this has turned into a fairly respectable thread.
What's wrong with everyone?
Polesmoker.

Feel better now?

[Trigger]

James, you need to fit the word 'ergo' and maybe 'henceforth' in there somewhere to really flesh out your posts. Otherwise, you're doing fine. :D

Beowulf: You're my hero. Can I write your name on the 2008 ballot?

[OzMan]

To clear a few things up:

-I included WWII and 1940 because people often say Bush had no right in going to places like Iraq, because "they weren't doing anything to us", or "It's not our problem". Well, that may be true, but we don't think that way anymore. Our role in the world has shifted. We try with what we can to help out the little guys, so to speak.

-I said anarchist (no government), not antichrist. Most of the people who argue with me get their statistics from such websites, taking yellow journalism to a new level.

-I've never attempted to claim a political party, so simply having a Democrat in the 'house wouldn't necessarily set me off. I tend to agree with the Republican agenda, but I don't have party loyalty.

[mocking_loudly_died]

Oh, and I completely disagree with those of you who are posting along the lines of "America, love it or leave it". Disagreeing with the government doesn't make one a traitor. It is one of the freedoms that makes America such a great place to live. America is the people and the place, not whoever is sitting in Washington D.C.

Stop sounding sensible!.

This is a forum, idiocy must prevail, just watch me - I'm an expert.

DEAN ROOXERS LIKE A BIATCH.

[Seoulstriker]

I am really considering completely wiping out my bios and eeprom and then trying to flash the 5950 bios that way. there is some kind of error with the first 256 bytes, and i have a feeling that they prevent it from being overwritten in the hardware. i have a feeling that if i wipe out the old bios completely and put in the new bios, it might work.

but it is extremely risky. :(

i wouldn't want a dud for a video card. :)

YEA!!! i bios-modded my XFX 5900NU to a 5950! woot woot woot

i am running at a sweeeeet 499/950. this baby screams! woot woot woot woot woot

[mocking_loudly_died]

Hey Seoulstriker can you cure all my embarrassing aliments?

Life's getting hard lugging this 12" nob around, I need reduction surgery quick.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

I think he was a good leader who was not perfect and made mistakes.....but everyone make mistakes

Hey, leaving your keys in the drawer is a mistake. Lying to prosecutors, judges & costing the taxpayers millions, pardoning Marc Rich, changing export rules on restricted technology, using the Lincoln Bedroom as a Motel 6, involving the Chinese in your campaign, and using the FBI for your own personal gain...those are beyond mistakes IMHO ;)

[Seoulstriker]

Hey Seoulstriker can you cure all my embarrassing aliments?

Life's getting hard lugging this 12" nob around, I need reduction surgery quick.


rofl rofl rofl

seriously, man, my graphics card pwns you. :D

[mocking_loudly_died]

Man, I'm happy with my old G-Force 4.

Plus there hasn't been any games worth playing of late.

[Seoulstriker]

Man, I'm happy with my old G-Force 4.

Plus there hasn't been any games worth playing of late.


the geforce 4 i'm sure is plenty for you. are you going to upgrade to NV40 or R420 when they come out? some pretty nasty DX9 games are coming out: Doom3, HL2, FarCry, and STALKER. you're going to need some serious hardware to get all the eyecrack.

[memphiz]

Man, I'm happy with my old G-Force 4.

Plus there hasn't been any games worth playing of late.


the geforce 4 i'm sure is plenty for you. are you going to upgrade to NV40 or R420 when they come out? some pretty nasty DX9 games are coming out: Doom3, HL2, FarCry, and STALKER. you're going to need some serious hardware to get all the eyecrack.
umm i thought this thread was about Bush being an idiot etc..

[mocking_loudly_died]

the geforce 4 i'm sure is plenty for you. are you going to upgrade to NV40 or R420 when they come out? some pretty nasty DX9 games are coming out: Doom3, HL2, FarCry, and STALKER. you're going to need some serious hardware to get all the eyecrack.

Yeah, I think I'm getting old now as games are getting less fun.

Doom 3 looks really red and HL2 is hyped to the max - I'll still play them.

Oh and to satisfy the on-topic police:

GEORGE BUSH is a total........human being? - never met the guy so can't really comment.

[memphiz]

the geforce 4 i'm sure is plenty for you. are you going to upgrade to NV40 or R420 when they come out? some pretty nasty DX9 games are coming out: Doom3, HL2, FarCry, and STALKER. you're going to need some serious hardware to get all the eyecrack.

Yeah, I think I'm getting old now as games are getting less fun.

Doom 3 looks really red and HL2 is hyped to the max - I'll still play them.

Oh and to satisfy the on-topic police:

GEORGE BUSH is a total........human being? - never met the guy so can't really comment.
:D

[Seoulstriker]

the geforce 4 i'm sure is plenty for you. are you going to upgrade to NV40 or R420 when they come out? some pretty nasty DX9 games are coming out: Doom3, HL2, FarCry, and STALKER. you're going to need some serious hardware to get all the eyecrack.

Yeah, I think I'm getting old now as games are getting less fun.

Doom 3 looks really red and HL2 is hyped to the max - I'll still play them.

Oh and to satisfy the on-topic police:

GEORGE BUSH is a total........human being? - never met the guy so can't really comment.


i remember the original doom, i see the trailers for it. this game is going to pwn everything else out there. Id manages to constantly revolutionize the computer industry. and damnit, i don't want anymore DirectX 9.0 garbage. OpenGL is teh future.



and i hate how people say that bush is an idiot because he is not a great public speaker. :roll:

[California Joe]

Mocking, if it wasn't for Kelly you'd be a serious geek homo.

Your pal, me.

[mocking_loudly_died]

Mocking, if it wasn't for Kelly you'd be a serious geek homo.

Your pal, me.

That's mean.

[California Joe]

I just crave your attention because farmgirl is gone.

[mocking_loudly_died]

I just crave your attention because farmgirl is gone.

Listen, if you want me to wear a dress - just say so.

[California Joe]

Must I be so literal?

[TALOS]

I partially agree with you here, challenging Gov't is fine, calling down the Gov't for defending the way of life that westerners have and belittling that way of life is retarded. Thats when peeps say if you dont like it leave.
They are protesting Bush's actions inre IRAQ in order to attack him and so we say, go live in IRAN or one of those other non democratic Countries if you dont believe we should fight for what we have or to free others.I am damn happy to live in the west, I dont want to live under a dictatorship and I would be the first to complain if thats the way our Gov't went here in Canada or in the States, and if others dont like the freedoms we have they can leave.

Okay... I THINK I understand what you're trying to say...

I completely disagree with the reasons Bush offered to America for war in Iraq. Therefore, I should move to Iran and see how much I enjoy life there.

Is my interpretation correct? Please advise.
If your interpretation defends Saddam and you believe that they arent dangerous and you think killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people doesnt justify removing him then IMHO you might wanna live a few years in their shoes.
We have it good here, disagreeing with him is your right, protests in the street though, which emboldened Saddam and his loyalists, is equal to aiding the enemy, IMO

[James]

If your interpretation defends Saddam and you believe that they arent dangerous and you think killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people doesnt justify removing him then IMHO you might wanna live a few years in their shoes.
We have it good here, disagreeing with him is your right, protests in the street though, which emboldened Saddam and his loyalists, is equal to aiding the enemy, IMO

I think I asked the question about interpretation...

I would never defend Saddam. In 1995 I deployed to the Persian Gulf with the USMC to flex a little bit of U.S. muscle, to keep Saddam in check.

Killing one innocent person is no good, so I won't say anything more about that.

My problem with the way the war was fought, but the reasons President Bush gave to the American people. Read my earlier posts. If he'd said it was for liberation and freedom, my opinions would have been completely different. Unfortunately, that's not what he said.

I must disagree with you most strongly about protests in the street. Do you honestly think that those people were protesting because they supported Saddam's regime? Think about how liberal many of those people were (are) and ask yourself if they would support a government that routinely supressed the freedoms of its own population and went to great lengths to kill many of its own citizens. If you can say with a straight face that these people were aiding Saddam, well, then, I don't know what to say.

Saddam is an evil man. I'm glad he's caught. I'm glad that Iraq will be free. I'm sorry that GWB wasn't honest (or was inaccurate) about our reasons for going to war.

[James]

James, that is the most intelligent post I've seen on this forum..... it's so obvious, and yet....

Thank you.

[TALOS]

If your interpretation defends Saddam and you believe that they arent dangerous and you think killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people doesnt justify removing him then IMHO you might wanna live a few years in their shoes.
We have it good here, disagreeing with him is your right, protests in the street though, which emboldened Saddam and his loyalists, is equal to aiding the enemy, IMO

I think I asked the question about interpretation...

I would never defend Saddam. In 1995 I deployed to the Persian Gulf with the USMC to flex a little bit of U.S. muscle, to keep Saddam in check.

Killing one innocent person is no good, so I won't say anything more about that.

My problem with the way the war was fought, but the reasons President Bush gave to the American people. Read my earlier posts. If he'd said it was for liberation and freedom, my opinions would have been completely different. Unfortunately, that's not what he said.

I must disagree with you most strongly about protests in the street. Do you honestly think that those people were protesting because they supported Saddam's regime? Think about how liberal many of those people were (are) and ask yourself if they would support a government that routinely supressed the freedoms of its own population and went to great lengths to kill many of its own citizens. If you can say with a straight face that these people were aiding Saddam, well, then, I don't know what to say.

Saddam is an evil man. I'm glad he's caught. I'm glad that Iraq will be free. I'm sorry that GWB wasn't honest (or was inaccurate) about our reasons for going to war.

So your entire prob was because of the comments on WMD?
There was evidence from many different intelligence agencies from many different countries that they existed and therefore (due to Saddams past refusals to comply) that they still existed. Bush acted on the intelligence he had, he probably overstated those as reasons tho and should have concentrated on the other reasons but hindsight is 20/20. I still believe they were moved but who really knows, the Iraqis have lied about them from day 1.
As for the protestors, I meant that IMHO their hatred of Bush blinded them to the fact that marching in the street with stupid slogans like "no blood for oil" and "drop Bush not the bomb" were harmful to the troops who were deployed as it emboldens the enemy to see the American people "supporting" the Iraqi regime. They werent marching for the Iraqi people, if they really cared about them they wouldnt want to see 100's of thousands more killed routinely by an oppressive gov't. Therefore the only winner of Bush backing down would have been Saddam. IMHO

[Haiw]

The problem is that WMD wasn't his true reason...personally I don't even know WHAT his reasons were. If you bear with me on remembering how it started; it started with Bush talking big about Saddam having to step down from power....then after a week or so someone must have given him the hint 'Hey! We need a reason!', then they started talking big about him supporting terrorism. However, of course they couldn't really prove that, so a while later the reason suddenly was WMD. Now that there's no WMD anymore those reasons are suddenly totally irrelevant... I find that rather...weird.

[Haiw]

Oh and...


As for the protestors, I meant that IMHO their hatred of Bush blinded them to the fact that marching in the street with stupid slogans like "no blood for oil" and "drop Bush not the bomb" were harmful to the troops who were deployed as it emboldens the enemy to see the American people "supporting" the Iraqi regime. They werent marching for the Iraqi people, if they really cared about them they wouldnt want to see 100's of thousands more killed routinely by an oppressive gov't. Therefore the only winner of Bush backing down would have been Saddam. IMHO
You don't really seem to have a clue about most anti-war protestors...

[Operation Ivy]

Hey Seoulstriker can you cure all my embarrassing aliments?

Life's getting hard lugging this 12" nob around, I need reduction surgery quick.


rofl rofl rofl

seriously, man, my graphics card pwns you. :D

Cant beat my Radeon 9800XT ;)

[Durandal]

Oh yeah and I did some research as you suggested on the fiscal policy of the last 10 presidents and guess what: Bush has spent vastly greater sums of money and has increased the beaucracy of the federal government more tha any other president, Republican or Democrat, in the last 15 years.........He has also repealed more environmental protections acts and lowered more standards for clean air than ANY other president in history.

I agree all too much.

But you know what? The way to fix it is not to elect some Democrat twit. I mean, everyone applauds Clinton for his budgets and all he and the Senators (I blame all of them) did was use Social Security to balance it...come on now.

I keep wondering what would have happened if McCain would have been elected.

Either way, we nee da leader that will: Cut taxes, cut spending, cut the government.

Cheers!

[Haiw]

Either way, we nee da leader that will: Cut taxes, cut spending, cut the government.
Bring on Anarchism! :lol:

[Durandal]

Either way, we nee da leader that will: Cut taxes, cut spending, cut the government.
Bring on Anarchism! :lol:

Libertarian = Organized Anarchist ;)

[Cael]

"Oh and...

'As for the protestors, I meant that IMHO their hatred of Bush blinded them to the fact that marching in the street with stupid slogans like "no blood for oil" and "drop Bush not the bomb" were harmful to the troops who were deployed as it emboldens the enemy to see the American people "supporting" the Iraqi regime. They werent marching for the Iraqi people, if they really cared about them they wouldnt want to see 100's of thousands more killed routinely by an oppressive gov't. Therefore the only winner of Bush backing down would have been Saddam. IMHO'

You don't really seem to have a clue about most anti-war protestors..."


I don't know about that Haiw, i'm pretty sure he is damn accurate. I don't know if it's my hippie angered liberal town or what but that's nothing to what i've seen here. I've seen them even go to the recruiter's offices and start ruckus. Even popping their tires. Then there's the shirts and posters with the "Bush is Hitler" crap. Which only a moron would be able to connect.

Sure there are some peaceful protesters and smart protesters that I respect, but I believe in my own experience that there are more protesters who were the total opposite.

Oh there's quote someone else wrote: "People that claim to be war protestors by wearing t shirts that depict GWB captioned by the words International Terrorist aren't war protestors. They are simply administration protestors with a political agenda."

[Haiw]

Well maybe you got lots of loony protestors in the US but up here there weren't any problems and they were all just peacefull normal (and mostly intelligent) people...

[Cael]

Well damn, that explains it.

[Jack Mehoff]

http://prodtn.cafepress.com/6/5610566_F_tn.jpg

[Jack Mehoff]

http://brain-terminal.com/video/nyc-2003-02-15/

[California Joe]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm bush.

[TALOS]

Oh and...

You don't really seem to have a clue about most anti-war protestors...
REALLY? maybe you can enlighten me, considering in Canada damn near everyone protests constantly and thats been their catch phrase "no blood for oil" and "drop Bush not the bomb" are signs and slogans I heard constantly. Also they would say "we care about the Iraqis and the US just wants to kill them all" and "more Iraqis will die in the war then Saddam killed" and a lot of other crap.
C'mon, if they really cared they would be glad to see Saddam gone. An incredible amount of people up here were disappointed that the US did so well believe it or not, it just kills me to work with these people.
So you tell me, what did I not understand?

[Haiw]

Well maybe if you'd think hard ýou'd find out that those people don't support the war, not because they think Saddam is cool, but because war is not the answer, especially when it's used as the first solution instead of the last. Or maybe because the reasons for going to war were rather dubious to say the least... But naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

[Jack Mehoff]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm bush.

I'd like it un-bush

[Durandal]

http://brain-terminal.com/video/nyc-2003-02-15/

I laughed my ass off when I saw that video.

This one is even better in my opinion and simply too funny...

http://brain-terminal.com/video/rutgers-2003-10-11/my-favorite-protester.html

[Tengu]

http://brain-terminal.com/video/nyc-2003-02-15/

I laughed my ass off when I saw that video.

This one is even better in my opinion and simply too funny...

http://brain-terminal.com/video/rutgers-2003-10-11/my-favorite-protester.htmlomfg i can't understand a word she's saying

[TALOS]

Well maybe if you'd think hard ýou'd find out that those people don't support the war, not because they think Saddam is cool, but because war is not the answer, especially when it's used as the first solution instead of the last. Or maybe because the reasons for going to war were rather dubious to say the least... But naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
12 years isnt first resort haiw, really not supporting war is great and all but not at the expense of innocent humans, famous phrase we've all seen "the only thing evil needs in order to succeed is for good men to do NOTHING"
All those who say war isnt the answer dont have any of their own, negotiations didnt work and reason didnt work and people were still being murdered and prisons emptied through massacres etc...
what would you suggest, naybe all these protestors coulda gone to Iraq and marched against Saddam... o but no, that would be dangerous wouldnt it.

[dhfactory]

Bush is ok.

I just hope he starts a few more wars.

-Sean

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm bush.

I'd like it un-bush

Bush is cool you can floss when you are down there. The thing you can eat between meals.

[Durandal]

omfg i can't understand a word she's saying

That's ok!

She can't either!

All and all while some of the protestors I have argued or sipped coffee coffee with seem just as inane. Much more coherent, yes, but just as silly.

[Seiyuuki]

So that Chemistry midterm was a lot easier than I thought it would be...or studying actually work...not sure, either way, I can take a long good nap now and then go play some Starlancer.

[a. enders]

OK....undoubtedly someone already mentioned this,but let's back up laims with real evidnce,not partisan websites who hate Bush becuase the rst of the site designers college friends do.(this of course is directed to whoever strted this)

On the other hand,standing behind your country and standing behind your government and or/ it's leader are two very different things.I believe in what america stands for,what the flag stands for.Sadly,not all government officials nor Presidents do whats good for the people or the country,but what's good for them or their party.Very sad.
To say "Support the President or leave" is basically saying "Join the Nazi/Communit/"revolutionaries" or leave (read:die)".

Basic point,he can say what he likes without being threatened with death o being forced to leave the USA....but if you make a rather ridiculous argument based on"i haate Bushe cuz hes dum" hen expect a thrashing....at least from folks here.....

Pardon the typing errors,strange computer.

[Durandal]

Pardon the typing errors,strange computer.

Yeah, but aren't most keyboards the same?

[Seoulstriker]

Pardon the typing errors,strange computer.

Yeah, but aren't most keyboards the same?

have you used a DVORAK kybard?

[Durandal]

have you used a DVORAK kybard?

Of course not. I haven't used one of those impossible five finger data grips either. I ahve a hard enough time typing on a normal layout much less one of those techno nerd ones...

:D

[Seoulstriker]

my brother in all his nerdiness changed all the keys on his keyboard (popping them out and putting them back in) to the DVORAK layout and then used a DVORAK layout in the Mac OS.

if you were trained to use a DVORAK keyboard, you would absolutely love it because of how efficient it is. but it is nearly impossible to start learning when you have already mastered the QWERTY. :(

[EvanL]

my brother in all his nerdiness changed all the keys on his keyboard (popping them out and putting them back in) to the DVORAK layout and then used a DVORAK layout in the Mac OS.

if you were trained to use a DVORAK keyboard, you would absolutely love it because of how efficient it is. but it is nearly impossible to start learning when you have already mastered the QWERTY. :(
Your a nerd.

[Seoulstriker]

Your a nerd.

You're ignorant of correct grammar. ;)

[California Joe]

Sounds like whacking off wth your left hand.

[Seoulstriker]

Sounds like whacking off wth your left hand.

rofl

how true!

[EvanL]

Your a nerd.

You're ignorant of correct grammar. ;)
That may be. But my statement still stands.
Good day sir.

[Seoulstriker]

yeah, i know, i'm a nerd. i can't help it! :)

[Marxist203]

no kidding, seriosly, I didnt vote for bush, but you dont hear me bitching, WHY? cause this is my country, even if you dont like the leader, you stand behind it. If you arent gonna root for the team, get the f*** out of the stadium.

That is the most moronic and sheepish comment Ive ever heard...you are a god damned pawn. If you dont like the president or his policies you are constitutionally allowed to bitch and complain!

[Ought Six]

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt --

[SBL]

Whoa .

[Skutatos]

Holy ****ing ****.

[LineDoggie]

Holy **** dude, you into necrophilia February 2004! just to post the TR quote?


Really?

[Anthony91]

What in teh frak is up with the resurrections? Is this Dawn of the Thread or something?

[evanfitz]

Holy hell, this was before O'RLY? owl and the Royal Mud Marines