Why we need to destroy the Muslum Sudanese government....

[obd]

Well, this link pretty much explains it. Not to mention thousands of other reports from human rights watch groups and governments about Muslum sudans war crimes and brutality....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3444515.stm

[Tengu]

i agree, but the anti war hippies would say "they are killing their own people but it isn't our business".

[UkrainianAmerican]

actually they arent killing "their own people" they are killing and LITERALLY enslaving the christian population. (I saw many reports about this)

[obd]

yep, the Muslum govnt in Khartoum is basically taking captured Christians and using them in work camps. Not to mention that Muslum soldiers often take the Christian women unable to eascape the village to be burned and use them as *** slaves and/or forcibly convert them to Islam. In my mind anybody who tries to convert others against their will needs to be fought. I'm all for religious freedom but I draw the line when people get in my face and tell me I should be one with Jesus or Muhamed.........

[maw]

i'm returning to sudan in just under three weeks. the civil war has settled down because the north wants access to southern oil. garang is waiting for the right moment.
for now the conflict has shifted to the border area with chad. the three refufgee camps established on the chadian side of the border are in crisis mode.

islamic atrocities against christians and animists are well documented. as an excercise do a google search for the "lost boys sudan".

however, a lot of the conflict is tribal and has deep historical and cultural roots. especially in the western part of the county where the current conflict is going on.

having said that, there is currently in sudan a fair amount of arab and chechen radicals who subscribe to a militant islamic agenda.

khartoum is actually a pleasant place to visit. by and large the people there love westerners.

i'll leave you with this:
http://www.usainreview.com/2_3_Nuba_Mountain.htm

[UkrainianAmerican]

i'm returning to sudan in just under three weeks. the civil war has settled down because the north wants access to southern oil. garang is waiting for the right moment.
for now the conflict has shifted to the border area with chad. the three refufgee camps established on the chadian side of the border are in crisis mode.

islamic atrocities against christians and animists are well documented. as an excercise do a google search for the "lost boys sudan".

however, a lot of the conflict is tribal and has deep historical and cultural roots. especially in the western part of the county where the current conflict is going on.

having said that, there is currently in sudan a fair amount of arab and chechen radicals who subscribe to a militant islamic agenda.

khartoum is actually a pleasant place to visit. by and large the people there love westerners.

i'll leave you with this:
http://www.usainreview.com/2_3_Nuba_Mountain.htm
THe FSB sure are good plumbers, cuz they know how to flush.

[cut]

i agree, but the anti war hippies would say "they are killing their own people but it isn't our business".

that's bollocks and you know it. the situation in sudan is gradually getting better ( correct me if I'm wrong but this is africa's longest running cilvil war.

Destroying the muslim government is a junvnile idea, if US or the UN were to do this they would loose even more trust among muslims. Although I'm not a fan of peacekeeping, it's all we ca do without being stupid. and supposed we took out the gvt. what then? put the christians in power? just because they are the same religion as us doesn't mean there won't be revenge attacks and basically exactly the same thing that's has been going on there for years.

[Trident-za]

Very true, Cut.

I also think the US needs to finish with Iraq and Afghan first - neither place is very safe right now. Why ask for more trouble when you still dealing with the first (two) lots of it?

Admittedly, there are plenty places around the globe that need "cleaning up", but not even the USA can deal with them all at once.

[cut]

I just read what I wrote again, can I appologise for the typos and the ranting nature, I have been down the pub enjoying a tipple, but what I said still stands, if you can decifer it. ;)

[usa320]

This is exactly why the whole world needs to look much deeper into the chains of personel and money and arms being smuggled around the world. HUMINT is everything. We need to find how all these groups are communicating to move people from afghanistan to Chechnya to Sudan and to the states. We wont be safe from terrorism until we have people infiltrating the shadowy realms of smuggling that is the black market.

As if we didnt have enough problems in iraq, or sudan or afghanistan or chechnya, we have these wanna be fighters from other countries causing even more hell. I think that had Al QUeda be totally destroyed (we got 2/3 of em, but theres still a few thousand of em out there) before we invaded iraq, we would have noticably less bombings there.

I think we need to use the same strategy we used with much success in hunting down iraqi upper teir personel in other nations. Find a low man, interrogate him, he points you to a middle man, who points you to a lower leader, who points you to the bigshot. We need to question the friends and families and coworkers of these people, the people under them... work our way up. THAT is the only way to get to people like Osama bin laden, as he doesnt use electronic communications anymore, so sigint aint worth ****. So we need to expand our HUMINT networks on a global level.