Russia Said Planning Nuclear Exercise

[Seraphim]

By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV, Associated Press Writer

MOSCOW - Russia's nuclear forces reportedly are preparing their largest maneuvers in two decades, an exercise involving the test-firing of missiles and flights by dozens of bombers in a massive simulation of an all-out nuclear war.


President Vladimir Putin (news - web sites) is expected to personally oversee the maneuvers, which are apparently aimed at demonstrating the revival of the nation's military might and come ahead of Russian elections in March.


The business newspaper Kommersant said the exercise was set for mid-February and would closely resemble a 1982 Soviet exercise dubbed the "seven-hour nuclear war" that put the West on edge.


Official comments on the upcoming exercise have been sketchy. The chief of Russia's Strategic Missile Forces, Col.-Gen. Nikolai Solovtsov, was quoted by the Interfax-Military News Agency as saying the planned maneuvers would involve several launches of intercontinental ballistic missiles in various regions of Russia, but he wouldn't give further details.


A Defense Ministry spokesman refused to comment on the reports. The Russian military typically says little about upcoming exercises.


Kommersant said the maneuvers would involve Tu-160 strategic bombers test-firing cruise missiles over the northern Atlantic. Analysts describe such an exercise as an imitation of a nuclear attack on the United States.


Other groups of bombers will fly over Russia's Arctic regions and test-fire missiles at a southern range near the Caspian Sea, the newspaper said.


As part of the exercise, the military is planning to conduct several launches of intercontinental ballistic missiles, including one from a Russian nuclear submarine in the Barents Sea, the Kommersant report said.


The military also plans to launch military satellites from the Baikonur cosmodrome in Kazakhstan and the Plesetsk launch pad in northern Russia — a simulation of the replacement of satellites lost in action, Kommersant said.


Russia's system warning of an enemy missile attack and a missile defense system protecting Moscow will also be involved in the exercise, it added.


Pavel Felgenhauer, an independent military analyst, said the military has regularly held nuclear exercises that were timed to coincide with the annual test-firing of aging Soviet-built missiles.


"It has been a routine affair, but it can be expanded if they want a show," he said.


Ivan Safranchuk, head of the Moscow office of the Center for Defense Information, a Washington-based think-tank, said the maneuvers would further strengthen Putin's popularity ahead of the March 14 presidential election he is expected to win easily.


Putin has repeatedly pledged to rebuild Russia's military might and restore pride to the demoralized service. When he ran for his first term in 2000, he flew as a second pilot in a fighter jet and later donned naval officer's garb on a visit to a nuclear submarine — images that played well with many voters who are nostalgic for Soviet global power and military prestige.


"This exercise will make a great show, with Putin receiving reports from military commanders," Safranchuk told The Associated Press.


Kommersant said Moscow had notified Washington about the exercise, describing it as part of efforts to fend off terror threats even though it imitates the Cold War scenario of an all-out war.


"The exercise follows the old scenario, and casting it as anti-terror is absurd," Safranchuk said.





Putin's support for the United States following the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks bolstered relations with Washington and helped broker a new U.S.-Russian nuclear arms reduction deal and a Russia-NATO (news - web sites) partnership agreement in 2002.

But the U.S.-Russian honeymoon has soured lately over Moscow's criticism of the war in Iraq (news - web sites) , U.S. concerns about authoritarian trends in the Kremlin's domestic policy, and Russia's perceived attempts to assert its authority over ex-Soviet neighbors.

[kinghk]

source?

[Seraphim]

AP

[mocking_loudly_died]

Nuclear war rocks, who wants to join my post-apocalyptic clan of ruffians.

We will roam the wastelands on motor bikes and slaughter the many mutants (French-Canadians) that we come across.

Farm girl will do our cleaning.

[Seraphim]

and slaughter the many mutants (French-Canadians) that we come across.

rofl In that case...Im in.

[Nizark]

These Russians never miss a beat, do they? They hardly have the money to run the damn silos and subs and bombers, now they are gonna do a full scale drill? I see it ending in a big clusterfu*k with many things going wrong, like a ICBM being dropped on a house. Maybe if they gave up somemore nukes, the bread lines might not be so bad.

[bison]

am i the only one who forsees a potential pissing contest between the nuke powers coming up?

[memphiz]

Russia's finally gonna nuke chechnya ;)



Nuclear war rocks, who wants to join my post-apocalyptic clan of ruffians.

We will roam the wastelands on motor bikes and slaughter the many mutants (French-Canadians) that we come across.

Farm girl will do our cleaning.
LOL,ill join but only against those damn French-Canadians
pff... them and their french

[usa320]

i think that russia needs to re adapt to the modern geopilitical climate. All out nuclear war is no longer something worth spending the money to prepare for by a cash strapped country like Russia. Instead the little resources they have would be better spent on counterterrorism, intelligence, and new, faster units.

[SOG]

Nuclear war rocks, who wants to join my post-apocalyptic clan of ruffians.

We will roam the wastelands on motor bikes and slaughter the many mutants (French-Canadians) that we come across.

Farm girl will do our cleaning.

hell yes! rofl

[Russian Texan]

i think that russia needs to re adapt to the modern geopilitical climate. All out nuclear war is no longer something worth spending the money to prepare for by a cash strapped country like Russia. Instead the little resources they have would be better spent on counterterrorism, intelligence, and new, faster units.

I think you are somewhat mistaken: Russia never had a problem with intelligence, it is CIA territory ;)
What does "faster units" mean?

To Nizrak
"Bread lines in Russia"...wow :cantbeli: Are you really that far behind?
Dude it is 2004, Moscow is the second most expensive city in the world and has more MBs and BMWs than entire Germany itself or so it sems :)
To all of those who still picture Russia as a "bunch of babushkas standing in lines for bread", go to Russia - you'd be amazed, I know I am every time I go there. Russia always had money, even when they applied for the loans, the problem was/is that those money were/are in the hands of corrupt private individuals. Now the process is being reversed and government applying pressure to those with offshore bank accounts and that is the good thing, especially for US, because couple more years of "democracy" and those nukes that will be test fired during exercise could have been for sale...
Ever since Putin came to power military, that was completely neglected, robbed and betrayed during Elzin years, finally started getting some attention and money.
Nuclear exercise...what's a big deal? If the country has nuclear forces it needs to exercise them - just to make sure "the system" works.
And please don't worry about
ending in a big clusterfu*k with many things going wrong, like a ICBM being dropped on a house
You should be worried about domestic problems like an incompetent government and a $7,010,088,657,339.47 national debt ($24,000 of it is yours plus c/c bills, mortgage, car loan, etc. - enjoy it :) )

Personally I welcome the exercise because it will produce some pretty cool photos that can be posted here :)

[California Joe]

I'm all for living in a post apocalyptic wasteland with farmgirl as our queen/maid wearing leather and a bustier no doubt. Shut it, it's my vision.

Frigging Russia pretending to be a player though. Nukes gone wild. Putin is on crack.

[Midav]

I personally have no care what the Russians do in their excercises. Their country, their right.

Yet, I do have a question.

Does this part bear any truth?


Kommersant said the maneuvers would involve Tu-160 strategic bombers test-firing cruise missiles over the northern Atlantic. Analysts describe such an exercise as an imitation of a nuclear attack on the United States.

Perhaps Putin is doing this to do a show of force, per say, against an "old enemy", give spirit as the article says and get re-elected. Should a nuclear war happen between both nations, dunno why, I may see things in black and white, but exercise or not, both the US and Russia would kiss their collective asses good bye in a nuclear exchange...

[stuntman]

These Russians never miss a beat, do they? They hardly have the money to run the damn silos and subs and bombers, now they are gonna do a full scale drill? I see it ending in a big clusterfu*k with many things going wrong, like a ICBM being dropped on a house. Maybe if they gave up somemore nukes, the bread lines might not be so bad.
Your right they are piss poor and yet they have money for a show of nuke force??? Well Russia economy is on a rise but in fact russia produces absolutly nothing viable? So I wonder what money or better yet what honest money is flowing through that economy? And the comments about more BMW in Moscow, Yeah I think Columbia is not so far behind! Get my point? So whats your?
Not flaming but lets call it for what it is! And yes large deficits, but in a country like ours even you know it doesn't matter!

[mustamato]

These Russians never miss a beat, do they? They hardly have the money to run the damn silos and subs and bombers, now they are gonna do a full scale drill? I see it ending in a big clusterfu*k with many things going wrong, like a ICBM being dropped on a house. Maybe if they gave up somemore nukes, the bread lines might not be so bad.

So where do they get the money for the exercise then :roll:

[California Joe]

They're all high. The need to check it 'for they wreck it.

The joint is run by gangsta's that can't rap. The military is f*cked, they can't get paid.

[Russian Texan]

"Imitation of a nuclear attack" is just pure journalist speculation/BS, how would they know what Russia or US will do in case of a nuclear war and what targets will be hit with nuclear tipped cruise missiles? All of that info is in folders that say "Top Secret" on top of them...
I do not think it is a show of force to the US, what's a point? US is well aware of 25000+ nuclear warheads in Russian possession. I think it is just what it is - an exercise. You have to excercise to stay in shape :)

[stuntman]

"Imitation of a nuclear attack" is just pure journalist speculation/BS, how would they know what Russia or US will do in case of a nuclear war and what targets will be hit with nuclear tipped cruise missiles? All of that info is in folders that say "Top Secret" on top of them...
I do not think it is a show of force to the US, what's a point? US is well aware of 25000+ nuclear warheads in Russian possession. I think it is just what it is - an exercise. You have to excercise to stay in shape :)
Well excellent point but
You have to excercise to stay in shape
I agree but its a redundent exercise! there're basicly training for a triatholon instead of just a bike ride! Triatholon being all out war with USA, and bike ride being terrorism or checnya (bad speller). And I am not stating terrorism is a bike ride.

[California Joe]

They can't feed their troops let alone exercise them. No **** they wouldn't do anything. Nuclear anything is a lose/lose proposition.

[Russian Texan]

Stuntman

I love the comparison bike ride vs triathlon :lol:
I see your point and I do agree that this exercise in not exactly politically correct but what's the alternative? How else to test readiness of country's strategic forces?

To Joe

Joe, please stay in the "off topic section", this thread is somewhat beyond your education and intellectual abilities.

[California Joe]

Stuntman

I love the comparison bike ride vs triathlon :lol:
I see your point and I do agree that this exercise in not exactly politically correct but what's the alternative? How else to test readiness of country's strategic forces?

To Joe

Joe, please stay in the "off topic section", this thread is somewhat beyond your education and intellectual abilities.

You have no idea. Think what you like.

[Russian Texan]

You have no idea. Think what you like.

And I do :)

[California Joe]

I'm sure. Oh well.

[Trigger]

This does seem odd to me, and I'm not very knowledgable about this 'exercise' but when (not counting Afghanistan and Iraq) was the last time the U.S. held a simultaneous 'test' in many areas of the world that included ballistic missile launches from subs and large scale cruise missile lauches?

[budanski]

Those Rooskies... parade some tanks and ICBM's down Red Square, conduct some "all-out-war with the U.S." exercises, and the folks just eat it up. As I recall, didnt the U.S. give the cash-strapped Russians billions of dollars to help them dismantle their nuclear capability?

I'm sure our intelligence listening resources will have a field day with this. How better to discover frequencies, Order of Battle, TO&E, location and movement sequence of units, recall orders, radar signatures, aircraft and tactical unit communications priorities, and several more etc. If they don't exercise we can't hear a whole lot of their chatter or read much of their "mail."

The intel folks would prefer them to exercise every day. ;)

[Johnnyringo]

Yeah... don't we do those types of exercises every year? (just a guess) It's kind of hard to believe Russia can sustain a viable large scale nuclear attack in the state they're in.

[Trigger]

Don't cost nothin' to turn a couple of keys ;)

[Russian Texan]

didnt the U.S. give the cash-strapped Russians billions of dollars to help them dismantle their nuclear capability?

Where do you think all the BMWs and MBs come from? :)
Russian is going to have an exercise, tell story about its deteriorating, rusting nukes that can launch by themselves any moment and ask for more money to dismantle them... and naive americans will fund construction of couple more villas on Kayman islands and purchase a Maybach or two and couple of exotics for some "democratically" elected Russian politician.

[stuntman]

Yeah... don't we do those types of exercises every year? (just a guess) It's kind of hard to believe Russia can sustain a viable large scale nuclear attack in the state they're in.
Well my friend you've better believe Russia can still take us out!

But in fairness to the Federation we conduct redflag style air defence/intercep with nato or any country including former soviet pilots that replicate a all out air war with Russia or China. So we cannot really say anything.

[Russian Texan]

Yeah... don't we do those types of exercises every year? (just a guess) It's kind of hard to believe Russia can sustain a viable large scale nuclear attack in the state they're in.

Why does it matter? 20mt ICBM doesn't care about GDP :)
Actually I think Russia, theoretically, has a better chance in case of a nuclear war due to its sheer size and the fact that the significant portion of their nuclear forces consists of mobile launch platforms( trains, Topol Ms) that are almost impossible to locate, vs US nuclear forces (besides navy) made up of fixed locations that can be targeted. Density of population is another key factor.
Besides even whatever is left of the USSR's PVO is still ABM capable and offers some protection unlike US airdefense that has nothing to counter incoming missiles with (at the present time).

[budanski]

Where do you think all the BMWs and MBs come from? :)
Russian is going to have an exercise, tell story about its deteriorating, rusting nukes that can launch by themselves any moment and ask for more money to dismantle them... and naive americans will fund construction of couple more villas on Kayman islands and purchase a Maybach or two and couple of exotics for some "democratically" elected Russian politician.

Speaking of which, can I pimp in your Maybach? Treasures has a really great "buffet" anyways, I can always use a champagne chiller for my 6 pack of Shiner Bock ;)

[Russian Texan]

Speaking of which, can I pimp in your Maybach? Treasures has a really great "buffet"

I know they do :) but I can't even look anymore...getting close to getting married and my fiance is very "hot" blooded and "old fashioned" about things like that:)

[stuntman]

Yeah... don't we do those types of exercises every year? (just a guess) It's kind of hard to believe Russia can sustain a viable large scale nuclear attack in the state they're in.

Why does it matter? 20mt ICBM doesn't care about GDP :)
Actually I think Russia, theoretically, has a better chance in case of a nuclear war due to its sheer size and the fact that the significant portion of their nuclear forces consists of mobile launch platforms( trains, Topol Ms) that are almost impossible to locate, vs US nuclear forces (besides navy) made up of fixed locations that can be targeted. Density of population is another key factor.
Besides even whatever is left of the USSR's PVO is still ABM capable and offers some protection unlike US airdefense that has nothing to counter incoming missiles with (at the present time).

Well if you use your mobile launchers nato will finish the rest! Remember them? Plus your command structure is based on moscow alone and guess what moscow is first to go! Not to mention we have Airforce 1 and also you would never find our stealth bombers! Lets not forget the mother land would need its mobile's for defence and pull..

[Russian Texan]

6 pack of Shiner Bock

"Shiner Bock" in Maybach?...only in Texas :lol:

In the civilized world people who ride in Maybachs drink "Widow Clicquot" :)

[budanski]

6 pack of Shiner Bock
In the civilized world people who ride in Maybachs drink "Widow Clicquot" :)

Well, you're talking to a psuedo redneck hick, here. My regards to Ms. Clicquot, may her husband rest in peace. ;)

[Russian Texan]

Plus your command structure is based on moscow alone

Now, you don't know that and neither do I because something like that falls in "state secret" category. My thoughts in the previous post were pure speculation: let's say I am an alien observing Earth from space (I know its stupid but bare with me) and I know that two countries are about to exchange nukes. The reason I'd bet my money on Russia is because of the size of its territory, mobile launch platforms that can launch from anywhere and existing ABM capability. Granted it is hypothetical and pure speculation, just some thoughts.
AF 1 eventually will have to land somewhere and so will B 2s (which is remarkable aircraft but yet to proven itself against complex multilayered airdefence).
In the end, what's the point - MAD is still in effect...

[Russian Texan]

6 pack of Shiner Bock
In the civilized world people who ride in Maybachs drink "Widow Clicquot" :)

Well, you're talking to a psuedo redneck hick, here. My regards to Ms. Clicquot, may her husband rest in peace. ;)

rofl rofl rofl

Everyone in Texas has a little redneck in them, even russians :)

[16 OBr SpN]

My God, so much out of nothing!!

Here is some thoughts for those who think it's true about tests.

1) Kommersant belongs to Boris Berezovsky. Some people know who he is. He is a ****ing traitor, and the one who basically robbed our country, while he was close to Yeltzin. After Putin came to power, he was expelled and escaped to London, where he now bitches about "threats to democracy", etc.

2) I haven't seen this subject in other main Russian news sources.

Maybe it is true what they are saying, but at this stage I seriously doubt it.

It's just another attempt to feed some bull**** to westerners about "evil" Putin, etc. Typical Berezovsky-style bull****.

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

P.S. Pavel Felgenhauer, the so called "independent military analyst" mentioned in the article, is a total dumbass pretending to be a specialist in things he has no idea of. Like I said before, he once tried to become a "PR representative" for 22 OBr SpN!!! rofl

[oldsoak]

But someone has to restart the arms race - no ones buying anything... :)

[German_American]

Whats this about Mbs and bmws. So what if you have a lot did you ever look down an American street. I'm only 17 years old and drive a brand new bmw and my sister is 20 and drives a brand new mercedes. We arnt rich we are just middle class Americans. I don't see the point of saying Russia has a lot of BMWs. With that statment about Americas debt, are you trying to imply we are poor or somehting becasue the last time I checked we have enough money to make your country just as powerful and rich if we wanted to. Im not flamming just watch your mouth when you try to flame the US or any other country because you just look ignorant.

[Dmitri]

I'm only 17 years old and drive a brand new bmw and my sister is 20 and drives a brand new mercedes. We arnt rich we are just middle class Americans.Heh, you gotta be sh#tting me! Unless you consider 100000+ income average in US. Even then its its not that easy to buy 30-60 gran cars to your children (on the loan). Middle class is your familiy where parents drive almost new family sedan (like Accord) and some truck (like F-150), with kids getting some used but pretty nice vehicles. Dude, you are not middle class

[German_American]

Your right about that but by no means is my family rich.

[Russian Texan]

Your right about that but by no means is my family rich.

Kid, there is a difference between leased 320 and a loaded 750li paid for in cash.

There is also a difference in a way you buy cars in US and Russia. If wanted to get myself a Bentley here, I'd go to the dealership and drive it away based on my credit rating and I wouldn't even have to make a downpayment. In Russia if I decide to get a Bentley, I'd better show up at the dealership with $300K + TTL.

You also didn't have to tell us your age, it clearly shows through your post ;)
And please, in the future, before you say that someone is"mouthing off" about whatever, take a deep breath and think that that someone might know a thing or two about the subject and might even make money off of it. The only one "mouthing off" here is you and the only thing you know about the state of national economy is the price of "Clearasil" at the nearest "Eckerds". The reason I am allowing myself to make comments about US economy is because unlike you(lunch money don't count) I contribute to it...
Clearly at this point my comments regarding economy/corruption in Russia is above and beyond you, sorry... Come back after you grow up and live in a real world.

BTW, what income level do you consider to be "rich" and how much do you think is the median income for the family of two in US? ($ amount)

[memphiz]

Your right about that but by no means is my family rich.
Thats BS

[GazB]

"They hardly have the money to run the damn silos and subs and bombers, now they are gonna do a full scale drill? I see it ending in a big clusterfu*k with many things going wrong, like a ICBM being dropped on a house. Maybe if they gave up somemore nukes, the bread lines might not be so bad."


Hahahahaha... very funny.

The launching a few near time expired ICBMs and testing a few new missiles launched from bombers and launching some satellites all at once is nothing.

"i think that russia needs to re adapt to the modern geopilitical climate. All out nuclear war is no longer something worth spending the money to prepare for by a cash strapped country like Russia."

But NATo is getting closer and closer to Russian borders... and ABM systems are part of that deal... I can see a good missile strike capability as being very useful.

"Instead the little resources they have would be better spent on counterterrorism, intelligence, and new, faster units."

They are not expending anywhere near a small fraction of their resources, it is just an exercise... hardly operation deser storm.

"I agree but its a redundent exercise! there're basicly training for a triatholon instead of just a bike ride! Triatholon being all out war with USA, and bike ride being terrorism or checnya (bad speller). And I am not stating terrorism is a bike ride."

So what you are saying is that the US armed forces with nuclear weapons like ICBM fields and SLBMs don't practise? They don't test nuclear missiles?

This is a test to make sure the existing force can defend Russia... who currently can threaten Russia? What is the point in running an exercise to make sure Russian forces can defend Russia from Australia? Al qada is not really a direct threat to Russia at the moment, though Al qada surrogates represent a threat they are hardly a target for strategic forces... and this is an exercise for strategic forces.

"They can't feed their troops let alone exercise them. No **** they wouldn't do anything. Nuclear anything is a lose/lose proposition."

Yes, of course their troops are starving and unpaid. Well if they are so bad off what difference would it make to them to start a nuclear war that would kill everyone?

"As I recall, didnt the U.S. give the cash-strapped Russians billions of dollars to help them dismantle their nuclear capability? "

Nope, that was the Ukraine.

Also the money the US did give was in the form of loans and they have stopped accepting.

"I'm sure our intelligence listening resources will have a field day with this."

And of course they don't know that do they?

Just like those AGIs that follow carrier groups and listen in on missile tests. Hardly a reason not to test.

"Yeah... don't we do those types of exercises every year? (just a guess) It's kind of hard to believe Russia can sustain a viable large scale nuclear attack in the state they're in."

Some very slow people around. This is a strategic forces test. A few bombers... a few ICBMs, and a few Satellites launched. Bombers need to fly occasionally anyway, and ICBMs expire too, so you test the ones close to their expiry dates. Launching a few SLBMs for the same reason and launch a few satellites that probably needed replacing anyway. They would have done most of these things seperately anyway... the cheapest way to destroy an ICBM or SLBM is to launch it afterall.

"Well my friend you've better believe Russia can still take us out! "

So far their success rate with launching commercial satellites with SLBMs is better than the US Delta series rockets.

"Well if you use your mobile launchers nato will finish the rest!"

How do you work that out? Not a single genuine Scud was proved destroyed in the Gulf before it launched its missile... there was complete airsuperiority over Iraq and you had the best aircraft in your inventories with your best pilots. Russia is a rather larger country and you cannot guarantee airsuperiority anywhere near any of the launch sites.

"Plus your command structure is based on moscow alone and guess what moscow is first to go! Not to mention we have Airforce 1"

Duh, the Russians have airborne command aircraft very similar to Airforce 1.

"and also you would never find our stealth bombers! Lets not forget the mother land would need its mobile's for defence and pull.."

They can fly one mission and then they will have nowhere to land. It has never gone up against anything designed in the last 30 years long range SAM wise.

[Kenshin]

Suggestion:

Have the US or NATO execute a defense and retaliation exercise simulating a russian nuke attack at the same time..

As the motto goes.. "Pratice makes perfect"

[soma]

Middle class my ass. Unless your parents like to spoil you, and chose to wear kmart sweat pants. It's clearly 'above' middle class.

[Shadow]

Dude it is 2004, Moscow is the second most expensive city in the world and has more MBs and BMWs than entire Germany itself or so it sems

Sounds like you never been to Germany.

I live in a small village (1000 people)
http://www.siebeldingen.de/eingangsbild5.jpg
And nearly ever singel person drives a Mercedes SLK Kompresspr or SL 500 or a BMW Z4. We have 3 cars in our family my dad earns 3000? per month.
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[intelligenzija]

Thats not the standard in Germany. I am from the capital.. there are some districts where the MCs and BMWs are concentrated but actually there is only a small part of the 82000000 citizens who can buy cars of
40 000 - 60 000€ :/


We have 3 cars in our family
How large is your family :D

[Herrmannek]

Last time they have some major training their best sub went down. I'm curious what will brake this time... :)

[BlackRain]

Perhaps things are not what they seem on the surface.

* Tu-160 strategic bombers test-firing cruise missiles over the North Atlantic, which some analysts described as an imitation of a nuclear attack on the United States.

* Other groups of bombers flying over Russia's Arctic regions and test-firing missiles at a southern range near the Caspian Sea.

* Several IBM launches, including one from a Russian nuclear submarine in the Barents Sea.

* Military satellite launches from Baikonur cosmodrome in Kazakhstan and the Plesetsk launch pad in northern Russia. System warnings of an enemy missile attack, involving a missile defence system to protect Moscow.
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040130/capt.mosb10701301726.russia_maneuvers_mosb107.jpg
Hey, is that a Russian intercontinental ballistic Topol-M in your pocket?

Why conduct this Nuclear training drill?

1) For legitimate training and safety experience.
2) Strengthen Putin's popularity before the March 14 election
3) Need to test the loyalty, capability, or morale of the nuclear forces after a twenty year lapse of exercise?

Predictions:
I would expect to see several high ranking Russian generals fired after this exercise is completed.

[Russian Texan]

Last time they have some major training their best sub went down. I'm curious what will brake this time... :)
Best sub? What do you mean by "best": best diesel, best nuclear, best attack, etc?
You know what will be even more fun and entertaining :lol: , if some ICBM strays off its course and falls on Poland rofl rofl rofl and thus your curiosity will be satisfied :)

[Herrmannek]

Last time they have some major training their best sub went down. I'm curious what will brake this time... :)
Best sub? What do you mean by "best": best diesel, best nuclear, best attack, etc?
You know what will be even more fun and entertaining :lol: , if some ICBM strays off its course and falls on Poland rofl rofl rofl and thus your curiosity will be satisfied :)
Kursk, it would be funn indeed.....

[Russian Texan]

How did you come to conclusion that "Kursk" was the best Russian submarine, in what category?

[perdurabo]

Joke:
Some rich russian goes to bank in swiss he ant's to take a 1000$ loan on a year and as a guarantee of paying back he wants to leave his brand new MB
afther a year he shows up and pays back loan and 100$ %, the bankman ask him
-WTF you leave a car worth lots of $$$ to take only 1000$ loan?
-hey where you can find good secure parking in swizerland for only 100$ a year
(hmm i'm not good in translations :/)

[Herrmannek]

How did you come to conclusion that "Kursk" was the best Russian submarine, in what category?

Maybe I was wrong...but wasn't Kursk newest, biggest, most modern, russian atomic submarine?

[Shadow]

Thats not the standard in Germany. I am from the capital.. there are some districts where the MCs and BMWs are concentrated but actually there is only a small part of the 82000000 citizens who can buy cars of
40 000 - 60 000? :/


We have 3 cars in our family
How large is your family :D
5 people

[Russian Texan]

No, the bigest is the "Typhoon" class which is much larger than Oskar II class (Kursk)
http://submarine.id.ru/galery/t889.jpg

The newest is Gepard (Akula II class)

Most modern, what? attack, missile, diesel, nuclear?

[German_American]

For Russian Texan. Being rich is this. Not having to worry about money at all and I can drive a helicopter to work. We live comfortably and thats it we don't own a 5 million doller house or have a villa in Tuscany. How am I mouthing off I was just telln that guy to shut up about bashing the USA. I mean wow so what im 17 doesnt mean you have to treat me like a 2 year old. Christ big man contributes to the economy. Well I hope a 40 year old man does more for the economy then a 17 year old boy. Your post made me laugh becasue your trying to look so big and bad for a 17 year old. Sorry if i offeneded your mother country man but your an American so start acting like one. People can mouth off about Germany all they want and I can care less. I have the pride but im not going to act like they are attacking me. My advice, stop trying to impress a teenager and go contribute more to the economy like you say you do.

[German_American]

O and Russian American trust me I know I have never lived in the real world and respect everyone on this forum. I have an enormous respect for the men and women on this forum who give there intellectual imput to pretty much everything. I use to respect you whenever I read your posts but now you completly lost mine because you think I'm some ignorant asshole. Trust me my parents tell me how poor they were when they were kids living in Newark, NJ. They made smart decisions and as I said before, live comfortably. Guess what asshole, I'm giving it all up so I can serve in the Marines. I don't expect to live as good as my parents, but atleast I'm gunna make it on my own and serve my country. I know I have a lot of learning to do but I bet you wernt as smart as you are now when you were 17. Its called life and we all experience it so let me live mine as ignorant as I want.

[Herrmannek]

No, the bigest is the "Typhoon" class which is much larger than Oskar II class (Kursk)
http://submarine.id.ru/galery/t889.jpg

The newest is Gepard (Akula II class)

Most modern, what? attack, missile, diesel, nuclear?

So you try to say that Kursk was small, old piece of crap not worth mentioning? :)

[Dmitri]

Guess what asshole, I'm giving it all up so I can serve in the Marines. I don't expect to live as good as my parents, but atleast I'm gunna make it on my own and serve my country. I know I have a lot of learning to do but I bet you wernt as smart as you are now when you were 17. Its called life and we all experience it so let me live mine as ignorant as I want.Well, you just proved that you should be treated like a 2 year old, that you are ignorant and arrogant. No one is trying to impress anyone here, especially you. When your dumb ass actually joins and makes it, even then you have no right calling people assholes. Plus you won't give up too much, your daddy still can buy you nice cars and all...

My advice, stop trying to impress a teenager and go contribute more to the economy like you say you do.How about you stop making advices to people that are older and seemingly smarter than you. How about you get a job and start contributing yourself.

We live comfortably and thats it we don't own a 5 million doller house or have a villa in Tuscany.Thats not being rich. Thats excessive richness.

[Dmitri]

So you try to say that Kursk was small, old piece of crap not worth mentioning?
As discovery said it, Kursk was the largest and best equipped ATTACK sub in the world. But sh#t happens. You got planes and helicopters falling down and ships sinking in every country, doesn't mean the military shouldn't use them

[UkrainianAmerican]

O and Russian American trust me I know I have never lived in the real world and respect everyone on this forum. I have an enormous respect for the men and women on this forum who give there intellectual imput to pretty much everything. I use to respect you whenever I read your posts but now you completly lost mine because you think I'm some ignorant asshole. Trust me my parents tell me how poor they were when they were kids living in Newark, NJ. They made smart decisions and as I said before, live comfortably. Guess what asshole, I'm giving it all up so I can serve in the Marines. I don't expect to live as good as my parents, but atleast I'm gunna make it on my own and serve my country. I know I have a lot of learning to do but I bet you wernt as smart as you are now when you were 17. Its called life and we all experience it so let me live mine as ignorant as I want.
Um, i didnt post anything on this thread. You must be confusing me with someone else.
Regards

[German_American]

srry i ment russian texan. whatever I just wont talk anymore, so my dad got me a nice car, I'll have it for a year, i work and pay for the insurance and paid for as much as I can then my mom is getting it. Im not trying to prove anything i was just saying that im not going to live off of my dad and thats what your telling me im going to do. I wont try to defend my country or anything of mine anymore just bash me i dont care cause i cant win.

[German_American]

One more thing how about you mind your own business and let him talk. I know hes smarter then me I never said he wasn't. How many 17 year olds do you know that contribute to the economy more then a middle aged man. I know none, I just have a job where I make minimun wage and thats all I can get. Maybe not to you but you trying to gang up on a 17 year old seems pretty pathetic.

[Dmitri]

Dude, no one is trying to gang up on you.

know hes smarter then me I never said he wasn't. How many 17 year olds do you know that contribute to the economy more then a middle aged man.Thats not the case here at all. I'm just trying to let you realize that you called this guy an asshole, ignorant (although you realize he know way more than you), and implied that he was trying to impress someone like you. Just don't make statements that will make YOU look like an ignorant asshole trying to impress someone

[German_American]

I know trust me I'm sorry I just have a short temper. I know I looked dumb, but by no means am I trying to impress anyone. I got **** stormed on for saying what car I drove so I am definetly not trying to impress anyone. I just wanted to make a point and I guess it back fired. No hard feelings toward you I know you think I am some snobby prick and granted I might come off like that but trust me I'm not.

[GazB]

"Last time they have some major training their best sub went down. I'm curious what will brake this time..."

Glad you think the deaths of 118 russian sailors is amusing.

"Maybe I was wrong...but wasn't Kursk newest, biggest, most modern, russian atomic submarine?"

The Kursk was an Oscar II class submarine armed with antiship missiles. Its task was to launch attacks on carrier groups. Regarding Newest, Biggest, and most modern... no, no, and no. (Newest are the Borey class and other types are newer too, biggest is the Akula class (the west calls this the Typhoon class ballistic missile sub class) and the most modern is probably what the west calls the Akula II attack sub.

"So you try to say that Kursk was small, old piece of crap not worth mentioning?"

No he was wishing nuclear armed warheads land on your country by accident, and by your attitude I agree with him. :-)

"As discovery said it, Kursk was the largest and best equipped ATTACK sub in the world."

I wouldn't trust discovery to tell me the time of day. It is not an attack sub. An attack sub is used against other subs primarily. An Akula (western designation), or Victor (Western desig) are attack subs. The Oscar and Oscar II are like the Echo class, or the Papa class and are cruise missile submarines designed to attack surface ships... notably US carrier groups.