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usa320
01-30-2004, 10:01 PM
NOONDAY, Texas (AP) -- William Krar and Judith Bruey assembled a frightening arsenal in three rented storage units in this East Texas town, and federal authorities are trying to figure out why.

A raid in April found nearly two pounds of a cyanide compound and other chemicals that could create enough poisonous gas to kill everyone inside a space as large as a big-chain bookstore or a small-town civic center.

Authorities also discovered nearly half a million rounds of ammunition, more than 60 pipe bombs, machine guns, silencers and remote-controlled bombs disguised as briefcases, plus pamphlets on how to make chemical weapons, and anti-Semitic, anti-black and anti-government books.

The findings have led to one of the most extensive domestic-terrorism investigations since the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.

Federal investigators believe conspirators may remain free, and one question lingers: What did the couple intend to do with the weapons?

"There's no other reason for anyone to possess that type of device other than to kill people," said Brit Featherston, a federal prosecutor and the government's anti-terrorism coordinator in Texas' eastern district. "The arsenal found in those searches had the capability of terrorizing a lot of people."

Suspicious storage
In November, Krar, 62, pleaded guilty to possessing a dangerous chemical weapon. He could go to prison, but the law does not specify a minimum or maximum. Bruey, 54, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to possess illegal weapons and could get up to five years in prison. The couple remain in jail. Sentencing is expected sometime in February.

Krar and Bruey moved to a house in Tyler from New Hampshire about two years ago, though federal authorities do not know why.

They soon rented space at Noonday Storage and for more than a year visited their units each morning, spending hours unloading U-hauls of military surplus items or picking through piles of bathing suits and beer coolers they said they resold at shops and markets.

"We never had any problems out of them and never suspected anything out of them," said Teresa Staples, who owns the storage business in this community of 500 people about 100 miles southeast of Dallas.

A mistake led the FBI to Krar two years ago.

Krar mailed a package to a self-described militia member in New Jersey. The package included several phony documents -- U.N. and Pentagon ID cards, a Social Security card, birth certificates from three states -- and a note: "We would hate to have this fall into the wrong hands."

But that was exactly what happened.

Peculiar past
The package was mistakenly delivered to a man in New York City, who notified authorities. It was traced back to Krar, and the intended recipient, Edward Feltus, 56, of Old Bridge, New Jersey, pleaded guilty to aiding and abetting the transportation of false identification documents. He could get up to 15 years in prison.

Krar's attorney, Tonda Curry, acknowledges that Krar owned illegal weapons, but said there is no evidence he planned to use them.

"It was not a situation where they were at arm's reach, ready to respond to some invasion. They were miles away stored," she said. "Nothing I've seen from the government or from him indicates that the United States as a country had any reason to be afraid of Bill Krar."

But federal investigators believe Krar's past behavior indicates his potential for domestic terrorism.

In 1985, Krar was arrested in New Hampshire for impersonating a law enforcement officer, according to the FBI. He stopped paying federal income taxes in 1989. His ties to New Hampshire's white supremacist and anti-government militia groups in the mid-1990s were investigated by federal agents.

Firefighters battling a blaze at a New Hampshire storage building in June 2001 discovered thousands of rounds of ammunition and four guns. Some belonged to Krar.

An employee at another New Hampshire storage company told investigators she feared Krar because he was "wicked anti-American," often ranting about government corruption and how he hated police officers and Americans in general because they were "money-hungry grubs," according to an FBI affidavit.

Last January, a Tennessee state trooper stopped Krar for a traffic violation and found in his rental car two handguns, a grenade, handcuffs, a gas mask, 16 knives and 40 wine-like bottles filled with an unknown substance.

Most curious were handwritten notes that listed "meeting places," including hospitals or Wal-Marts in Pennsylvania, Virginia, Tennessee, Mississippi and Louisiana. The notes also outlined a code for referring to the level of danger, from "Lots of light storms are predicted" to "Tornadoes are expected in our area -- Things very hot. Lay low or change your travel plans."

Krar told investigators the code was part a plan to help his girlfriend escape her ex-husband.

Domestic dangers
Despite the warning signs, Krar was not fully investigated until the fake documents went to the wrong address. And even that red flag may have been ignored if not for the heightened attention after September 11, Featherston said.

Some contend the government is so focused on foreign terror threats that it overlooks domestic dangers.

"I have no doubt whatsoever that had these men been affiliated with al Qaeda, we would have heard more," said Daniel Levitas, author of the book "The Terrorist Next Door: The Militia Movement and the Radical Right." "There is something of a blind spot within the Justice Department in Washington, D.C., when it comes to the violent potential of America's own homegrown version of al Qaeda."

Featherston said hundreds of subpoenas were issued and the Texas case was investigated just as thoroughly as foreign cases.

"There's international terrorism and domestic terrorism, but they're all terrorism," he said. "I don't care which one it is or what color their skin is. If their intention is to do harm to the citizens of this country, then all the resources necessary from the local level to the federal level will be put into the case."





I think it should. Read them their rights (or lack theroff) and let em do some time in gitmo. If that dont make em talk, send em off to a friendly nation like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan or Egypt, for some reason they have ways of getting information outta people real fast.

p-)

And im not kidding. These jagoffs had the capacity to cause SERIOUS damage. Especially chilling is when the article said in the envelope they sent to a conspirator was pentagon and UN ID cards...

If you ask me they aint criminals, they are enemy combatants.

mocking_loudly_died
01-30-2004, 10:12 PM
Militia people are spooky.

California Joe
01-30-2004, 10:25 PM
That's old news right? F*cking redneck ass clowns.

Maybe they were waiting for the giant f*cking Tremor worms to attack.

Burn them.

George W. Bush
01-30-2004, 11:15 PM
They have nothing to do with militias.

Most big militias will beat your ass if you talk about doing that stuff. Just a bunch of inbred people. Guns have nothing to do with this.

Fox2
01-30-2004, 11:25 PM
Ruby Ridge: Reloaded? :|

Personally, I think in addition to finding terrorist scum out in the four corners of the world, we need to also see what we can do about our own scum too. Cheers to the FBI and local law enforcement agencies for keeping us safe.

California Joe
01-30-2004, 11:27 PM
They have nothing to do with militias.

Most big militias will beat your ass if you talk about doing that stuff. Just a bunch of inbred people. Guns have nothing to do with this.

Gee Cletus, tell us about the militias.

mocking_loudly_died
01-30-2004, 11:49 PM
They have nothing to do with militias.

Most big militias will beat your ass if you talk about doing that stuff. Just a bunch of inbred people. Guns have nothing to do with this.

Gee Cletus, tell us about the militias.

rofl

Militias are loonies.

Sorry.

California Joe
01-30-2004, 11:50 PM
No ****. Bunch of airsofters with real guns and drinking problems.

George W. Bush
01-30-2004, 11:58 PM
Wow the idiocy coming from you is amazing.

Why don't you actually educate yourself on the subject before you make yourself look like an idiot?

http://www.constitution.org/mil/mil_us.htm

Trigger
01-30-2004, 11:58 PM
Heyyyy...I'cn <hic> kinntrulllllllllll my drinkin'....now <hic> han'me that pipebomb.

Why don't they do something productive like make Swedish pet ****?

mocking_loudly_died
01-30-2004, 11:59 PM
And they think the government is after their farm.

They should learn to make their business's economically viable, instead of wasting time playing gun totting campers.

California Joe
01-31-2004, 12:00 AM
Wow the idiocy coming from you is amazing.

Why don't you actually educate yourself on the subject before you make yourself look like an idiot?

http://www.constitution.org/mil/mil_us.htm

Are you serious? The word "militia" in this country in this day and age is a joke. Period.

George W. Bush
01-31-2004, 12:03 AM
Wow the idiocy coming from you is amazing.

Why don't you actually educate yourself on the subject before you make yourself look like an idiot?

http://www.constitution.org/mil/mil_us.htm

Are you serious? The word "militia" in this country in this day and age is a joke. Period.

Says you ;)

George W. Bush
01-31-2004, 12:04 AM
Wow the idiocy coming from you is amazing.

Why don't you actually educate yourself on the subject before you make yourself look like an idiot?

http://www.constitution.org/mil/mil_us.htm

Are you serious? The word "militia" in this country in this day and age is a joke. Period.

Sorry I gave you the wrong link..

http://www.awrm.org/

California Joe
01-31-2004, 12:05 AM
Oh for chrissakes. Good luck with that. Carry on.

EvanL
01-31-2004, 12:13 AM
Wow the idiocy coming from you is amazing.

Why don't you actually educate yourself on the subject before you make yourself look like an idiot?

http://www.constitution.org/mil/mil_us.htm

Are you serious? The word "militia" in this country in this day and age is a joke. Period.

Sorry I gave you the wrong link..

http://www.awrm.org/
You sir, are a douche bag.
http://narang.com/img/ru/douchbag-2ltr.jpg

Trigger
01-31-2004, 12:20 AM
Evan:
I don't EVER want to meet the woman that needs that size of personal hygeine products :D

martinexsquaddie
01-31-2004, 02:00 AM
oh I don't know the milita give non-americans something else to laugh at.
back in the 80s somebody tried to set up one here called the alpha group and got himself threated with jail.

Mr Gently Benevolent
01-31-2004, 02:53 AM
Was there not a group in Sussex called the League of Frontiersmen I think they wanted to defend Sussex against communists and immorality, they clearly failed on the later as Brighton can be a wild place at times. Ayrshire had a couple of would be militia types in the 80,s two of them were in the same gun club as me, they were seen carrying out mock ambushes on a farm road once, I was on the range one day and one of them took out a silenced .22 pistol and started to pop a way with it, being young at the time I was very impressed. Another was caught speeding wearing a fake police uniform there was rumours that they had been carrying out surveillance on striking miners. :D

Flagg
01-31-2004, 03:17 AM
No ****. Bunch of airsofters with real guns and drinking problems.

Don't forget fear of "Black Helicopters"

NcDeuce
01-31-2004, 11:04 AM
No ****. Bunch of airsofters with real guns and drinking problems.

Don't forget fear of "Black Helicopters"

http://207.254.38.169/photost/MSC-N4U-Landing.JPG

Ahhhh, they're coming for me!




No but seriously, they do fly around all over the place here... :lol:

Fox2
01-31-2004, 11:13 AM
You fear black government helicopters with "MADE IN TAIWAN" in large print under the fuselage?



And you say you see lots of them where you are?


Here's my card...Call me anytime, we can sit down and you can tell me all about the tiny black helicopters that fly around you.

NcDeuce
01-31-2004, 11:41 AM
I live less than 2 miles from Fort Campbell, KY. Just a tad more from the 160th HQ. ;)

Edit: I'll take some photos next time!

Fox2
01-31-2004, 11:50 AM
I live less than 2 miles from Fort Campbell, KY. Just a tad more from the 160th HQ. ;)

The joke was a reference to the action figures you posted as a "Black Helicopter". ;)



Nevermind.

*fake French accent*

Be gone or I shall taunt you a second time-uh!

Mr Gently Benevolent
01-31-2004, 03:47 PM
Find out more about mad militia types http://adl.org/mwd/default.asp a good read throughout :D

George W. Bush
01-31-2004, 09:25 PM
The ADL is BS. They equate anyone in a "militia" or anyone who thinks the Second Amendment applies to the people (just like the other 9 amendments in the Bill of Rights) as a racist/skinhead/neo-nazis.

It's kneejerk bleeding heart liberal BS.

usa320
01-31-2004, 09:27 PM
I wouldnt be shocked if they were more than just some militia people...

Perhaps into arms smuggling? i mean how else does one get chemical weapons? I think that if they follow the trail of guns and money, not only will they learn more about this couple, but perhaps they will be able to put other dirtbags out of business.

Durandal
01-31-2004, 09:48 PM
Wow the idiocy coming from you is amazing.

Why don't you actually educate yourself on the subject before you make yourself look like an idiot?

http://www.constitution.org/mil/mil_us.htm

Jesus Christ in a dump trunk...

Come on now.

There are three kinds of militia. Naval. Organized. Unorganized. We (being the collective American male body, ages dictated by states) form the Unorganized. The Organized, as recognized by several State and Federal court cases and laws, is the National Guard.

More than half the States in this nation have outlawed non-government militias (like Florida and New York).

I have met a fair number of militia types at gun shows and machinegun shoots. They give gun owners and American's in general a bad rep. Most are racists, some are nazis and part of the klan. Most try not to pay taxes and feel that federal tax, even though established legally is somehow illegal. Almost all are fooking dumber than a rock but have enough know to get themselves in trouble.

California Joe
01-31-2004, 09:51 PM
You're going on the list next to me dummy. ;)

Durandal
01-31-2004, 10:08 PM
You're going on the list next to me dummy. ;)

Is that a "Like's to drink beer and consume cocktail wieners, watching A10's make gun passes, while chilling with our dates" kind of list?

;)

California Joe
01-31-2004, 10:12 PM
Um....No. That would be fun. It's more like a Francis Sawyer: "My friends call me psycho. Any of you homo's call me Francis....I'll kill you" Kinda list.

Jinkies Scooby I think the militia had Fred and Daphne.......

Durandal
02-01-2004, 02:33 AM
Um....No. That would be fun. It's more like a Francis Sawyer: "My friends call me psycho. Any of you homo's call me Francis....I'll kill you" Kinda list.

Jinkies Scooby I think the militia had Fred and Daphne.......

Is that a sort of Hareld and Maud sort of crazy....

Or a Robert Deniro: Taxi Driver...sort of crazzy?

BTW I found a date tonight.....mmmmmmm

NcDeuce
02-01-2004, 02:38 AM
I'm a pirate. Nyarrrr

Durandal
02-01-2004, 02:39 AM
I'm a pirate. Nyarrrr

I told her that, but she did not belive me. I just smiled and bought her a drink.!

:)

Mr Gently Benevolent
02-01-2004, 05:34 AM
The ADL is BS.
They are well regarded, and have a reputation for reliable data and unbiased survey's.


It's kneejerk bleeding heart liberal BS.
You will need to explain this one.

Roger Rabbit
02-01-2004, 05:51 AM
I might start up the Pirates of the North Sea militia. We can all wear funny hats, say "arrghh avast me hearties" a lot and sail around in a little rubber dingy in the local swimming pool waving plastic swords until mummy says its time for tea.

mocking_loudly_died
02-01-2004, 06:15 AM
My militia plays G.I.JOE's in the dirt.

We rock.

Praxus32
02-01-2004, 09:47 AM
Incase you are not aware the 2nd Ammendment is calling the people the militia, as James Madison and George Mason have said many times. The right to form a Militia is not gurenteed by the 2nd Ammendment but certainly a right our founding Fathers believed in.

Durandal
02-01-2004, 12:36 PM
Incase you are not aware the 2nd Ammendment is calling the people the militia, as James Madison and George Mason have said many times. The right to form a Militia is not guranteed by the 2nd Ammendment but certainly a right our founding Fathers believed in.

I agree that the second Amendment gives you the right to carry/bear arms. I will not agree that our founding forefathers believed forming militias was a right, especially without State or Federal control. They also believed in the right to revolution, but that does not mean the support an INDIVIDUAL's right to revolution. Only after the government has lost legitimacy in its rule over its people do you have a right to revolution. Escpecially in a representation government like we have here.

These guys are loons. They are unhappy with the current federal system and they are an EXTREME minority.

Unfortunately, they are the first thing that comes to mind to many American's when you speak of guns and/or the 2nd Amendment.