View Full Version : COOL!chinese rocket and taikonaut are the best!!
SOSOLP
10-12-2005, 12:53 AM
today our spaceship "shenzhou"6 has been launched successly
its the victory of all the third-world people.hahahahahahahahahaha......
http://top.jschina.com.cn/bbs/noncgi/usr/img/051012102811__1_1012.jpg
jetsetter
10-12-2005, 01:06 AM
The craft was not created by the third world part of China.
congrats to China on a successful launch. welcome to the Big Boys club.
vryhpyammoadded
10-12-2005, 01:33 AM
Great job China!
jmatucd
10-12-2005, 01:38 AM
Congratulations.
Welcome to the 1960s.
</takes off silly hat>
catalyst
10-12-2005, 02:24 AM
yeah dont see anything ground breaking in this.....but still better than alot of others actually....
well done China....now for the other 'developments' that need to occur in your country....
Amazing, you are only 50 years behind. :D
What's the point. Every other nation launch satellites on a regular basis, it makes no sense to launch a few humans for 5 minutes in orbit.
catalyst
10-12-2005, 03:55 AM
5 day orbit is better than the others!
still....other things are more important than a space program in this country!
bigjeff
10-12-2005, 03:59 AM
Congrats to china and hopefully the gov would like to spend more money on the ppl instead of rockets.
Marmot1
10-12-2005, 08:23 AM
Congratulations.
Welcome to the 1960s.
</takes off silly hat>
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
saigonsmuggler
10-12-2005, 10:30 AM
Congrats China...
... and also to Russia for heavily and successfully helping China achieving this milestone!
Hawk of prairie
10-12-2005, 10:52 AM
shameless chinese!
your rocket and the spaceship is only a copy of soyuz/unionTM!!
Nickel1106
10-12-2005, 11:19 AM
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs2/index.html
MARINO
10-12-2005, 11:21 AM
as far as i know we Europeans, we have lost another satellite, but our people have been out thanks to USA or Russia :(
Nickel1106
10-12-2005, 11:24 AM
http://bbs.military.china.com/jsp/pub/viewpicture.jsp?picurl=http://bbsimages.military.china.com/1011/2005/10/12/683.jpg[/IMG]
Nickel1106
10-12-2005, 11:27 AM
http://bbs.military.china.com/jsp/pub/viewpicture.jsp?picurl=http://bbsimages.military.china.com/1011/2005/10/12/325.jpg
RS_Leo1A5
10-12-2005, 11:31 AM
I wonder if the Chinese will succeed with their planned moon landing in 2010...
yanghl0419
10-13-2005, 01:08 AM
shameless chinese!
your rocket and the spaceship is only a copy of soyuz/unionTM!!
u.s.a. rockets is olny a copy of German V-1 V-2 rokets……rofl rofl
u.s.a. rockets is olny a copy of German V-1 V-2 rokets……rofl rofl
US rockets were heavily influenced by V2 technology. Not to mention, that was some 60 years ago, and though im sure you can pull some influence its negligable. Im glad to see China sporting some Redstone era rocketry :p
Nickel1106
10-13-2005, 02:10 AM
http://en.chinabroadcast.cn/2238/2005-10-13/160@276347.htm
here got some news.
yanghl0419
10-13-2005, 02:23 AM
US rockets were heavily influenced by V2 technology. Not to mention, that was some 60 years ago, and though im sure you can pull some influence its negligable. Im glad to see China sporting some Redstone era rocketry :p
negligable??
u.s rocket depended on Wernher von Braun,untill Apolo project.
how could be negligable?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/zh/thumb/1/18/Wernher_von_Braun_in_1964.jpg/250px-Wernher_von_Braun_in_1964.jpg
FallenAngel
10-13-2005, 02:28 AM
von Braun, besides being an SS officer in WWII, was a genius. It's not fair to say that they Gemeni rockets and the like were copies of a V-2 although, since they were designed by the same person, would naturally share similar lineage but are no where near "copies".
yanghl0419
10-13-2005, 02:37 AM
the technology was from German,lots of engineers were from German and other contrys
but every Chinese engineers is Chinese,that's the difference
FallenAngel
10-13-2005, 03:35 AM
the technology was from German,lots of engineers were from German and other contrys
but every Chinese engineers is Chinese,that's the difference
that, and about 50 years ;)
Still, congrats on the Chinese getting into space, it's not a feat many have accomplished.
Congrats to china
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yanghl0419
10-13-2005, 04:07 AM
that, and about 50 years ;)
Still, congrats on the Chinese getting into space, it's not a feat many have accomplished.
woot woot
50 years is not a long time oh~~~~
certanily ,it's interosting to talk about these questions
:hug:
ViktorNavorski
10-13-2005, 05:48 AM
4 posts...wow, talk about your "Middle Kingdom" superiority complex.
bigjeff
10-13-2005, 05:53 AM
negligable??
u.s rocket depended on Wernher von Braun,untill Apolo project.
how could be negligable?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/zh/thumb/1/18/Wernher_von_Braun_in_1964.jpg/250px-Wernher_von_Braun_in_1964.jpg
i think JDAM was trying to say the modern US rockets are no longer influenced by the design of WWII v2 rockets.
bigjeff
10-13-2005, 05:55 AM
the technology was from German,lots of engineers were from German and other contrys
but every Chinese engineers is Chinese,that's the difference
Some news reported tat the chamber( supposed to be the most important part of the entire rockets) was made by russian. I m nah sure if it' rite.
yanghl0419
10-13-2005, 07:29 AM
Some news reported tat the chamber( supposed to be the most important part of the entire rockets) was made by russian. I m nah sure if it' rite.
Some news……
I remember many parts of Shuttles are made by Canadian in canada
yanghl0419
10-13-2005, 07:31 AM
i think JDAM was trying to say the modern US rockets are no longer influenced by the design of WWII v2 rockets.
but the engineers was and will still be
bigjeff
10-13-2005, 09:39 AM
Some news……
I remember many parts of Shuttles are made by Canadian in canada
realli?then maybe u r rite i m wrong then,i m nah sure about the rocket's stuff but i did hear about the main chamber was built by the russian then transferred to china.
maybe the parts from canada are nah for the main chamber but for the other parts of the rockets, who knows?
Btw, didn't china launch the rockets instead of space shuttle? :x
saigonsmuggler
10-13-2005, 10:03 AM
of course part can be made anywhere, or even designed offshore. However, the principle design and engineering of NASA space vehicles are done by US citizens.
In the case of the Chinese, the principle technology behind their spaceship is Russian, along with many other main components.
That's the difference. :roll:
GABBA
10-13-2005, 10:20 AM
Whats the going price on one of those rockets???:
Paracaidista
10-13-2005, 10:24 AM
What's the point. Every other nation launch satellites on a regular basis, it makes no sense to launch a few humans for 5 minutes in orbit.
Well, until China, only TWO other nations did send PEOPLE to space: USA and Soviet Union/Russia. Now there are three. Indeed great feat!
Something to chew, why the other countries that have launched satellites never bothered to launch people? Perhaps because there was no motivation, or destination?
ElHombre
10-13-2005, 11:05 AM
Something to chew, why the other countries that have launched satellites never bothered to launch people? Perhaps because there was no motivation, or destination?
expense. sending a human to orbit requires a far larger payload. you have to send air, food, a heat shield to get them back alive, etc. you also have to have a tracking network set up around the planet to keep in contact, with the associated costs of the people and equipment.
all this sends the mass of the craft far higher than what's needed for a simple satellite.
the shenzhou craft is more than a copy of the soyuz. it is larger and more capable than soyuz. americans shouldn't laugh too much at the re-use of the proven russian design, the planned replacement for the shuttle is little more than an improved apollo.
ElHombre
10-13-2005, 11:11 AM
of course part can be made anywhere, or even designed offshore. However, the principle design and engineering of NASA space vehicles are done by US citizens.
In the case of the Chinese, the principle technology behind their spaceship is Russian, along with many other main components.
That's the difference. :roll:
that's no difference at all. developing a rocket is no small expense. the russians had a proven design, the chinese saved time and money. both sides come out ahead. considering that japan has been making cars of superior quality compared to what's been coming out of detroit, i'd think that a bit of humility on the part of the US is in order.
and all rockets owe their design to the work of a certain russian. ;)
Well, until China, only TWO other nations did send PEOPLE to space: USA and Soviet Union/Russia. Now there are three. Indeed great feat!
Something to chew, why the other countries that have launched satellites never bothered to launch people? Perhaps because there was no motivation, or destination?
Or no point?
It costs hell lots of money to send people to space, rockets, security messures, training, and not to mention that there is always the chance that it won't work, and then all this money goes down the drain...
For the more modest coutrys, who don't have bugdet of 2303284342^123 dollars per year, prefer to use it for more practical things like reconneses/communecation sattelites.
After all sending people to space is more for publicity (which is not that bad, if you have the money...) rather than actually usefull.
Vintendo
10-13-2005, 11:15 AM
Well, until China, only TWO other nations did send PEOPLE to space: USA and Soviet Union/Russia. Now there are three. Indeed great feat!
Something to chew, why the other countries that have launched satellites never bothered to launch people? Perhaps because there was no motivation, or destination?
It's pure propaganda. For National pride. And just reading the title it's obviously working. How many Americans gets so excited about space launches anymore? It's become so routine and boring. But for the Chinese it's a big deal to them and gets them all excited about their rise to power.
So yes yes Chinese rockets and taikonauts are the best. Lets all bow down to their magnificent glory.
K2-Kelly
10-13-2005, 11:24 AM
This is a big stepping stone.....and though the comments of "welcome to the 1960's" is funny, don't be surprised if the learning curve isn't accelerated quicker then the U.S.'s was........Read an article recently detailing who/what/where the worlds military/economic/industrial power would reside......
Guess what nation is projected to be the new world power in 20-50 years?
and no it's not Jamaica ;)
as to doing more for the people instead doesn't matter what nation you live in, that is simply the pot calling the kettle black.
bloddyaxe
10-13-2005, 11:24 AM
Just like the first humies that floated on trees on small rivers of yore, these early space travels are a prelude to glorious voyages through the cosmos to annihilate alien species and take their planets for our usage!
All hail these holy space travel experimenters, for they are investing their money for the benifit all of our race!
catalyst
10-13-2005, 11:40 AM
it has been very very interesting to see the reaction to this by my students today. they see it as something to be very proud of (and so they should be!) and also they know that it is a HUGE sign to the world....LOK AT US!
but when quized on the need to go to space for the 'look at the earth' reasons they presented me....i asked them why they couldnt ask the USA/USSR for the same knowledge they gained in the 1960.
Or why instead of spending all this money Hu Jin Tao gave all the classrooms in China a makeover....because it would be cheaper!
They did see my logic in discussing this....but still....why do people in the west by brand name clothes? cause they can say....look at me....im hot....i got gucci!
No difference between chinese political thinking and that of the average americans desire to look good to his friends!
I dont see this space program as a positive for China....But we must give it to them...people are still thinking the China of the 60s is still around...WELL HELLO WORLD....CHINA HAS 2 MEN IN SPACE!
just me 2 jiao!
larryzou
10-13-2005, 11:56 AM
vary COOL!chinese .
Vintendo
10-13-2005, 11:57 AM
it has been very very interesting to see the reaction to this by my students today. they see it as something to be very proud of (and so they should be!) and also they know that it is a HUGE sign to the world....LOK AT US!
but when quized on the need to go to space for the 'look at the earth' reasons they presented me....i asked them why they couldnt ask the USA/USSR for the same knowledge they gained in the 1960.
Or why instead of spending all this money Hu Jin Tao gave all the classrooms in China a makeover....because it would be cheaper!
They did see my logic in discussing this....but still....why do people in the west by brand name clothes? cause they can say....look at me....im hot....i got gucci!
No difference between chinese political thinking and that of the average americans desire to look good to his friends!
I dont see this space program as a positive for China....But we must give it to them...people are still thinking the China of the 60s is still around...WELL HELLO WORLD....CHINA HAS 2 MEN IN SPACE!
just me 2 jiao!
Good perspective. Except the Chinese aren't wearing Gucci, they are wearing bell bottoms from the 70's.
Strider
10-13-2005, 12:02 PM
Good perspective. Except the Chinese aren't wearing Gucci, they are wearing bell bottoms from the 70's.
Lmfao.
Nice one.
ENSIGN FOREVER
10-13-2005, 12:06 PM
Yeah, they're 50 years behind the ball, and yes, they could not have done it without a lot of old Soviet technology, and yes, there is no actual leap in technology, and yes, the whole World is bored with it, BUT.....hey, it is still a great achievement.
Unfortunately, the Chicoms should've sticked to perfecting their commercial satellite launchers where they are in an excellent position to become a top player along with the likes of the ESA's Ariane products & NASA/Lochkeed. I think this is the area where the Chicoms will compete nicely in price, performance and reliability...........until Rutan shows everyone a better way!!!.
Still, good effort and good show.p-)
yanghl0419
10-13-2005, 10:31 PM
Good perspective. Except the Chinese aren't wearing Gucci, they are wearing bell bottoms from the 70's.
no no no........I dont konw whether you are too old than any oldest man or know nothing about it.In china people are too poor to wear bell bottoms now because that is historical relic now.
budanski
10-14-2005, 07:41 AM
no no no........I dont konw whether you are too old than any oldest man or know nothing about it.In china people are too poor to wear bell bottoms now because that is historical relic now.
You're absolutely correct, they're too busy making knock-off Guccis than to even have bell bottoms into the factor.
yanghl0419
10-14-2005, 08:08 AM
how to jump from rockets to Guccis&bell bottoms
ehhhhhhhhhhhh
RED STAR
10-14-2005, 08:09 AM
well done...What's next one?Moon? or .....
Ghostwolf
10-14-2005, 10:41 AM
shameless chinese!
your rocket and the spaceship is only a copy of soyuz/unionTM!!
X2 godzillion rofl rofl rofl
Very true, another nicely done reverse engineering by China and claims as their own original designs.
Nickel1106
10-14-2005, 10:47 AM
here got the vedio
http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2005-10-14/18438011430.shtml
and news here
http://en.chinabroadcast.cn/china/events/shenzhou6/index.htm
S.H.P.D
10-14-2005, 11:38 AM
http://news.xinhuanet.com/photo/2005-10/12/xinsrc_09210021209377342105103.jpg
http://news.xinhuanet.com/photo/2005-10/12/xinsrc_522100212095281252312.jpg
Wow!!!!!!!It's a great landmark of our space industry!!!!!
I feel happy so much !!!!!!!
Vintendo
10-14-2005, 11:38 AM
how to jump from rockets to Guccis&bell bottoms
ehhhhhhhhhhhh
Sorry you didn't get my comparison. Catalyst was saying having a space launch is like people spending alot of money on fancy clothes like Gucci just to show off. My point is China is spending so much money to show off old rocket technology. Like spending so much on some old crappy bellbottoms and being so proud of it.
Of course a joke isn't as funny if you have to explaine it.
yanghl0419
10-14-2005, 10:34 PM
Vintendo:
I know that meaning,in fact.I say so just for fun.
but the money used on other way is better??
I dont think so.
if a contry dont develope their technology ,what would hapen?
if U.S. dont have so advanced technology,just be the richest,is just another 'rich contry',like Kuwait or Arab Emrtates, just rich.
right?
the technology is real power.
say truely , every parts of China rockets and spaceships are made in china.not like what someone said ,made by Russian.
although,China learned some technology from Russia and U.S. .just like U.S. rockets developed from German rocket .but some way's different from the old spaceship.I think after apollo ,because of Shuttles, U.S. dont have real spaceship now.
but every one should konw,nether U.S. nor Russia would really give all of their tech to another contrys. main part always need research by themselves.
S.H.P.D
10-15-2005, 06:25 AM
Vintendo:
I know that meaning,in fact.I say so just for fun.
but the money used on other way is better??
I dont think so.
if a contry dont develope their technology ,what would hapen?
if U.S. dont have so advanced technology,just be the richest,is just another 'rich contry',like Kuwait or Arab Emrtates, just rich.
right?
the technology is real power.
say truely , every parts of China rockets and spaceships are made in china.not like what someone said ,made by Russian.
although,China learned some technology from Russia and U.S. .just like U.S. rockets developed from German rocket .but some way's different from the old spaceship.I think after apollo ,because of Shuttles, U.S. dont have real spaceship now.
but every one should konw,nether U.S. nor Russia would really give all of their tech to another contrys. main part always need research by themselves.
I also know your meaning I agree your point very much !!!!
US & Russia wouldn't give us their heart and centre of space technology!
Our Chinese space workers developed the space tech throngh self-reliance and strive!!!!
bleaches
10-15-2005, 07:27 AM
shpd = patriotic extremist :P
i agree that they should spend more money on the wellfare of the inland people than on space research and space military campaigns.
crinkler
10-15-2005, 08:56 AM
I will be sure to let every one know when I care
Nickel1106
10-15-2005, 12:05 PM
shpd = patriotic extremist :P
i agree that they should spend more money on the wellfare of the inland people than on space research and space military campaigns.
Agree,especially on education.
rosemarry
10-15-2005, 12:42 PM
I totally agree with u!
Technology improving is not an isolated thing, and any new progess of scientific technology should rely on old technology. Do you American know that the original rocket and powder were created by Ancient Chinese thousands years ago?
we were dropped behind because of thousand years solid feudalizad system and foreign countries invading, so we are trying to catch up the world in recent twenty years.
Why some American think the Chinese space plan just an average guy buy a famous brand to try impressing others? We are entering the world of the scientific field, and we don't want got behind forever. Our entering can give somebit competition to improve research to the outer space. And after hundred years, maybe we can find many mineral resources and oil in other unnamed planets, and maybe find one star we over-populated Chinese can imigrated into, or help people from other coutries to imigrated to other planets. What a good dream and future!
To spend money to the outer space or to Chinese people is not a contrary thing. We can do them together! Don't always think China as poor as twenty years ago, though it's true there're still many poor farmers in Chinese countryside. Whatever the economy of China is improving quickly, and there're 20% chinese are middle class with the lifestyle in the cities who are not worse than the middle class in America.
ocean
10-15-2005, 12:54 PM
Clearly the Chinese Shenzhou isn't a mere copy of Soyuz, another source I got was Chinese Shenzhou can carry 4 astrouant/taikonnaut, vs. Soyuz with max of 3.
Shenzhou-8 To Be Fixed Version Of China-Made Space Vessels: Expert
Beijing (XNA) Oct 14, 2005
With a lot of modifications and improvements in the series of Shenzhou spacecraft capsules, Shenzhou-8 is expected to become a relatively fixed version of China-made space vessels, said Zhang Bainan, chief designer of China's spacecraft system.
According to Zhang, China has been making improvements from Shenzhou-1 to Shenzhou-6 spaceships. Every capsule has new technological features, to make the spacecraft perfect.
The design of Shenzhou series has avoided the defects of Russia's Soyuz vessel from the beginning and adopted more advanced technology. In addition, quite a number of ground experiments have been conducted from Shenzhou-1 to Shenzhou-6 to test every detail of the capsules.
As long as a final design is worked out, basic craft elements such as the shape, internal structure, control service system and data transmission will be fixed, but minor modifications may be necessary for different missions, the designer said.
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-05zzzzzzzzzf.html
The difference between the US and Chinese space programs is that when the US and USSR were involved in the space race, rocket technology was still in it's infancy and was something new and exciting. Now it is an established and mature technology and every Tom, **** and sattelite TV company is shooting crap into space. I'm sure the PRC is very proud of their acheivenment, it's a big thing for you guys, just don't expect the rest of the world to be flabagasted and worshipful over the fact that you have finally caught up.
rosemarry
10-16-2005, 01:29 AM
no chinese ask for you american to cheer for ur caught up, we cheer for ourself. we only ask for american don't intervene our interior affairs.
Vintendo
10-16-2005, 01:32 AM
no chinese ask for you american to cheer for ur caught up, we cheer for ourself. we only ask for american don't intervene our interior affairs.
Read the title of this thread.
Zero Zen
10-16-2005, 02:11 AM
no chinese ask for you american to cheer for ur caught up, we cheer for ourself. we only ask for american don't intervene our interior affairs.
This is why I dont like you for this.....you want to be selfish. do not post, I dont cheer for you , I cheer for the chinese people and go suck it up....
One thing about you, you really work at the PRC gov't.....
rosemarry
10-18-2005, 06:57 AM
This is why I dont like you for this.....you want to be selfish. do not post, I dont cheer for you , I cheer for the chinese people and go suck it up....
One thing about you, you really work at the PRC gov't.....===========
Hahaha, what a funny guess, i work at PRC gov't? I wish i could, then i can do more things for people, to make china improving quicker and their life get better, though I still can help people a little by getting ill people well as a young nurse.
we are not blind, we can feel laugh and mock towards chinese behind america. it really hurts our proper pride. I'm the One can speak loudly towards your laughing!
Kekkonen
10-18-2005, 07:06 AM
The difference between the US and Chinese space programs is that when the US and USSR were involved in the space race, rocket technology was still in it's infancy and was something new and exciting. Now it is an established and mature technology and every Tom, **** and sattelite TV company is shooting crap into space. I'm sure the PRC is very proud of their acheivenment, it's a big thing for you guys, just don't expect the rest of the world to be flabagasted and worshipful over the fact that you have finally caught up.
Well I don´t know how your memory works, but you seem to forget that a bunch of American astronauts died in 2003 when their shuttle blew up, in an accident that reminded the world of the Challenger tragedy 1986. So much for "mature" technology. And as for the unmanned sattelites it happens now and then that there is failure when launching them, or contact is lost with the sattelites, as ESA experienced recently.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/shuttle/
So I say congratulations to China!
Kekkonen
10-18-2005, 07:13 AM
Found this with Google (without a source).
In a speech earlier this month in Fuzhou, capital of China’s Fujian province, Liwei said that the Shenzhou 7 spacewalk mission is planned for 2007 and will be followed by two missions, Shenzhou 8 and 9.
Both to be launched within six months of each other, before 2010, Shenzhou 9 will rendezvous and dock with the orbital module of Shenzhou 8. The Chinese air force has selected 35 female pilot trainees, aged 17 to 20. They might participate in the 2006 taikonaut selection, which is also open to non-military candidates.
The four or five selected to be taikonauts will be trained for missions from 2010-12
Sounds good :)
tomcat1974
10-18-2005, 07:51 AM
http://www.astronautix.com/craft/shenzhou.htm
Here some info about it..
please see the history..
Congrats China..
tsuri
10-18-2005, 07:56 AM
So much for "mature" technology.
The rockets worked fine. Of course it is not idiot proof and totally failsafe but compared to the 40ties our rockets of today are a lot better.
Also the Space Shuttle is the problem(happens when politicians design a space vehicle). When China designs and builds a reusable Space Vehicle and uses it for as many years without accident, we can applaud. But right now china is unable to _design_ anything . Copy and Paste Engineers can be happy that they managed to upgrade a russian rocket but to lead something, you have to come up with new ideas.
yanghl0419
10-18-2005, 08:07 AM
....... But right now china is unable to _design_ anything . Copy and Paste Engineers can be happy that they managed to upgrade a russian rocket but to lead something, you have to come up with new ideas.
I can only say you know nothing about the rocket-history ,no matter China or U.S. or any contry else
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