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MetalBoy
01-31-2004, 03:32 AM
German Cannibal Gets Prison Sentence

Jan 30, 12:03 PM (ET)

By FRANK LETH

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040130/D80D8SHG0.html

KASSEL, Germany (AP) - A German was convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to 8 1/2 years in prison Friday for killing, dismembering and eating another man who allegedly agreed to the arrangement over the Internet.

Armin Meiwes, a 42-year-old computer expert, had no "base motives" in the crime, a state court ruled, sparing him a murder conviction. Explaining the verdict, the presiding judge said Meiwes' intention was not evil but "the fulfillment of his fantasy."

His primary motive was "the wish to make another man part of himself," Judge Volker Muetze said. "Meiwes reached this bonding experience through the consumption of the flesh."

Prosecutors had sought a life sentence, calling Meiwes a "human butcher" who acted simply to "satisfy a ****** impulse." They said they would appeal.


The defense argued that since the victim volunteered to be killed and eaten, the crime should be classified a mercy killing, which carries a five-year maximum penalty.

Before the verdict, Meiwes looked calm, chatting with his attorney and occasionally grinning for cameras allowed inside the courtroom. After the sentence was read, he shook his lawyer's hand and nodded curtly to the photographers.

When his trial opened Dec. 3 in the central city of Kassel, Meiwes confessed in detail to killing Bernd Juergen Brandes, 43, in March 2001 at Meiwes' home in the town of Rotenburg.

Brandes traveled from Berlin in reply to an Internet advertisement seeking a young man for "slaughter and consumption." Meiwes testified that Brandes wanted to be stabbed to death after drinking a bottle of cold medicine to lose consciousness.

"Bernd came to me of his own free will to end his life," Meiwes said in his closing statement in court Monday. "For him, it was a nice death."

Still, he said he regretted the killing.

"I had my big kick and I don't need to do it again," he said. "I regret it all very much, but I can't undo it."

A video he made of the act was shown to the court during a closed session.

A doctor testified that Brandes died from loss of blood and that the medication, along with a half-bottle of liquor and 20 sleeping pills he took beforehand, could not have lessened his pain.

Several experts have testified that Meiwes was fit to stand trial and was not mentally ill.

Police tracked down and arrested him in December 2002 after a student in Austria alerted them to a message Meiwes had posted on the Internet.

"If I hadn't been so stupid as to keep looking on the Internet, I would have taken my secret to the grave," Meiwes said in his closing statement.



I don't know if you guys have been following this, but wow... apparently in Germany a man can cut off and eat another man's ***** while he is still alive, kill him then store his body in the freezer and over a period of time eat him and only get 8 and a half ****ing years in prison. And since the other man was just as demented as him its a "mercy killing". Nope, no evil here. :cantbeli:

mocking_loudly_died
01-31-2004, 04:33 AM
Don't make me eat you.

Tengu
01-31-2004, 07:55 AM
idd he should be put away for life

Kitsune
01-31-2004, 09:12 AM
Hmmm, I knew this one would come up. Although I had exspected that budanski would be the one who would open a thread about it...

This is the case that is creating lots of fuzz here in Germany for quite some time. Its hotly debated, as is this decision.
Just as a clarification: the author of this article used the rather misleading translation "mercy killing" for the German "Tötung auf Verlangen", which in fact means "Killing with Consent" (of which the usual case is indeed a mercy killing).
And that is exactly what makes this case so absurd and unique. The Killer had the consent of the victim. He could even prove it with video footage. So indeed it was no classic murder. Or in fact no murder at all. And in this case it is simply impossible fo a judge in Germany to say "Well ok its not, but I think its so disgusting I sentence him to lifelong imprisonment, nonetheless!" That may work in the US but not in Germanys "f***ed up" justice system.

Haiw
01-31-2004, 09:37 AM
Yup that's the whole problem in this case; however disgusting, the 'victim' actually VOLUNTEERED to be killed and eaten... :| Another problem is that in Germany there isn't any law against cannibalism because, well, this is frankly the first time something like this ever happened.

mocking_loudly_died
01-31-2004, 09:44 AM
Inside every German lurks another.

Yum yum yum yum.

cut
01-31-2004, 09:48 AM
Inside every German lurks another.

Yum yum yum yum.
rofl

Kitsune
01-31-2004, 10:22 AM
Not only Germans, mocking_loudly,

In fact, you can buy and eat Amerikaner ("Americans") about everywhere in Germany. You can even choose between white or black ones...

Haiw
01-31-2004, 10:30 AM
Up in the Netherlands we have Americans as pets. We keep 'em in cages with chains around their necks.

Vance
01-31-2004, 10:45 AM
Up in the Netherlands we have Americans as pets. We keep 'em in cages with chains around their necks.
It's true, but my family was lucky, we escaped from that horrible place when I was young and now live in bountiful America.

Thomsen
01-31-2004, 11:13 AM
This guy was born in Essen, ate an Berliner and was found guilty in Kassel.

Explanation in english:

Essen (here name of a city) i the german word for "eating", "Berliner" (guy from Berlin) is the german name for a kind of donut, and "Kassel" (name of the city) is the german name of a dish made of meat.

:D :lol:

anonymous individual
01-31-2004, 11:58 AM
This guy was born in Essen, ate an Berliner and was found guilty in Kassel.

Explanation in english:

Essen (here name of a city) i the german word for "eating", "Berliner" (guy from Berlin) is the german name for a kind of donut, and "Kassel" (name of the city) is the german name of a dish made of meat.

:D :lol:

That is so ironic. :cantbeli:

kutter
01-31-2004, 12:35 PM
http://www.duffzone.co.uk/framegrabs/2f03/136.jpg
Oh, relax, kids, I've got a GUT feeling Uter is around here somewhere. After all, isn't there a little UTER in all of us? In fact, you might even say we just ATE Uter and he's in our STOMACHS right now! HAHAHA Wait...scratch that one.

I'm sorry, I couldn't resist :lol:

budanski
02-01-2004, 01:52 AM
Hmmm, I knew this one would come up. Although I had exspected that budanski would be the one who would open a thread about it...

Is Germany regressing back to the days of the Black Forest and the Goths? I doubt it.

Ran across the story, perhaps we should have a heart here. What he did takes guts. I wouldn't have the stomach for it myself, but I'm sure he has more gall than most of us, even if he has learned to hold his tongue. It's no skin off our nose if we give him the finger and then let him hot-foot it out of there. ;)

http://www.realgoodmovies.com/stills/red_dragon_hopkins.jpg

Take a bite out of crime.

MetalBoy
02-01-2004, 02:35 AM
Cannibal House of Horrors

WARNING:Story goes into pretty gruesome detail. Also some pretty creepy pictures.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news2.shtml

Guess he likes his coffee like he likes his men....
Packed up and stored in the freezer. rofl

Kenshin
02-01-2004, 03:31 AM
From what I know.. cannabalism exist and occured in every part of the world not just in Germany ( ..most recent in mayu seem ). IF you do a search on any search engine on the net and open encyclopedia's on cannibalism.. there are accounts of it from east to west.. north to south.. so whats the big deal"? Cannibalism exist for many reasons... one being of Hunger, second religion.. or by a total Sick freak mind..

Nondescript
02-01-2004, 06:27 AM
I don't know if this is 100% true. But the most sickening thing that I've heard about this case, is that the ciq (Cannibal In Question) actually turned down others who wanted to be killed and eaten. The reason being he considered them too crazy. :|

Kitsune
02-01-2004, 10:34 AM
Well, I don't think that Mr.Cannibal is the man to decide wether someone is crazy or not...

p-)