I'm getting the hell outta the Army!!

[jizzmonkey]

I just got orders today to a school (which I shall not mention) that really sucks....to be...an instructor of sorts.....and I completley REFUSE to do it, I think I'm going to finally say **** it!! I'm out..I reenlisted indef..but there ARE ways...I just dont want to go out like a ****-bag......but Ithink its time to move on..........................any suggestions??


Argyll????? got any job openings in the "private sector"

[jizzmonkey]

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/****monkey/acg


dammit why isnt the image thing working???????

[Aerosoul]

go to User CP - Options -at the bottom enable WYSIWYG editing. and then to insert an image, click the picture icon when you make a post. copy/paste the url. it's a yellowish color button.

its a little different than the old board.

[pathfinder82]

I just got orders today to a school (which I shall not mention) that really sucks....to be...an instructor of sorts.....and I completley REFUSE to do it, I think I'm going to finally say **** it!! I'm out..I reenlisted indef..but there ARE ways...I just dont want to go out like a ****-bag......but Ithink its time to move on..........................any suggestions??


Argyll????? got any job openings in the "private sector"


My cousin just did the same thing, he was pretty down on himself for a couple weeks after he got out but he's happy with the decision now. I believe he went the psychological route but he also had chronic problems with his elbow so he might have went that route, he wont talk about it. Why wont you mention what school it is? You got my mind churning trying to think what could really be that bad, I have some Ideas though.

[Argyll]

:) ............Welcome to the Army mate!!It's not always about fighting and killing,sometimes you have to do very mundane things.

I don't get this,you get the chance to be an instructor,to pass on the experience you gained in combat,to new recruits,and you refuse?
Afre the Highs of combat I'd be pretty chuffed to be offered a cushy posting mate.

The Private Sector mate is the opposite end of the spectrum from the military,our job is not to go looking for the enemy and get involved,but rather avoid him and not get involved,for the best part of what we do is boring,and not glamerous at all,you'll be an assigned driver for your first trips,and you'll be stuck in a vehicle listening to tree huggers talk **** for the best part of it,if your the limo driver..................it's not runnin and gunnin mate,it's low key,softly softly..........not full on into hotspots and guns a blazin,also remember that you'll be on your own,no fire support,no CAS,sometimes no QRF.........
With all that said,the bubbles being squeezed hard out here,rules are being implemented that guys don't like,and the jobs are drying up,after all it's been 2 years,and a lot of experience in HRE PSD is already out there,company's are able to be more choosy with their applicants.

[jizzmonkey]

:) ............Welcome to the Army mate!!It's not always about fighting and killing,sometimes you have to do very mundane things.

I don't get this,you get the chance to be an instructor,to pass on the experience you gained in combat,to new recruits,and you refuse?
Afre the Highs of combat I'd be pretty chuffed to be offered a cushy posting mate.

The Private Sector mate is the opposite end of the spectrum from the military,our job is not to go looking for the enemy and get involved,but rather avoid him and not get involved,for the best part of what we do is boring,and not glamerous at all,you'll be an assigned driver for your first trips,and you'll be stuck in a vehicle listening to tree huggers talk **** for the best part of it,if your the limo driver..................it's not runnin and gunnin mate,it's low key,softly softly..........not full on into hotspots and guns a blazin,also remember that you'll be on your own,no fire support,no CAS,sometimes no QRF.........
With all that said,the bubbles being squeezed hard out here,rules are being implemented that guys don't like,and the jobs are drying up,after all it's been 2 years,and a lot of experience in HRE PSD is already out there,company's are able to be more choosy with their applicants.
This is the one job that Ive been avoiding the whole almost 12 years of my time in the army.....and outta nowhere I come down on orders....I had a piece of shrapnel go through my leg about a year ago, I'm OK, but I did get some nerve damage from it, It probably wouldnt be to hard to get out on a medical chapter, I just dont know what the hell I would do right now if I DID get out . While I was in mosul on FOB marez I ran into a guy I knew back in the day in the army, and now he works for KBR doing security for them, he never leaves the FOB and makes a ****load of money....I've been thinking.

[Jedburgh]

This is the one job that Ive been avoiding the whole almost 12 years of my time in the army.....and outta nowhere I come down on orders....I had a piece of shrapnel go through my leg about a year ago, I'm OK, but I did get some nerve damage from it, It probably wouldnt be to hard to get out on a medical chapter, I just dont know what the hell I would do right now if I DID get out . While I was in Mosul on FOB marez I ran into a guy I knew back in the day in the army, and now he works for KBR doing security for them, he never leaves the FOB and makes a ****load of money....I've been thinking.
Most TRADOC assignments are mind-numbing and motivation-leeching, and the majority of soldiers who are good at what they do in an operational unit tend to avoid those assignments. But then what ends up happening is that parasites who can't cut it in a real unit end up in TRADOC as an instructor of what they were unable to perform in reality - it directly affects the quality of the cherries coming into the field.

I had to suck up a TRADOC assignment as my final assignment in order to retire - my initial retirement request was denied and I came to the hard realization that DA would not let me go as long as I was serving in an operational unit. Believe me, the bureaucratic BS is absolutely unreal in TRADOC - especially to someone who's just come off a combat tour. But, in the end, the reward is the effect you are able to have upon the new soldiers - the opportunity you have to mold the motivated young troops who are headed out into the field - and for many of'em that means directly into theater.

Again, let me reiterate - getting out when you're on Indef ain't that easy these days.

A medical chapter ain't quite as simple as seeing a doc and telling him you need to get out. A medical discharge is a complicated, very bureaucratic process (http://www.hood-meddac.army.mil/default.asp?page=meb&vi=n&mnu=2). Rather than try and explain it myself, I'll just give you a link to a site with flow-charts, more links, and detailed explainations:

The MEB Explained (http://www.west-point.org/users/usma1991/48648/mebinstruction.htm)

Whatever happens, Good Luck.

[I love Rachael Leigh Cook]

Is this the "school" pic you were trying to post?

http://www.very****.net/dirty/pics/ot01.jpg



Sorry, slow night.....

[Mailman]

So come on ****, spill the beans. Whats so bad about this new assignment of yours? You instructing people how to build tactical toilets or something? :D

Regards

Mailman

[dunkin]

Let's see, 12 years in, going to an instructor slot (non-deployable for at least three years, and could be four) that puts you at 15 on the low end. You can do collage and other schools while you are in you instructor position (they always want you smatter). I would say (just me talking) take the job, get some more school under your belt, who knows, you might find something you like, and it gives you time to find a new job. If you decide not to get out you can find a staff job for the last 5 years and float it to your retirement.

The other possibility is to swap assignments with someone else. I know the Air Force is fine with the, but I'm not sure how the Army is with this.

Just trying to give you more options than punching out. Just don't make a rash decision, think it thru and maybe even talk to your Top/NCOIC about it.

[Thor]

I was on a temp gig as instructor recently (I'm not active duty). Not bad really. Great reception from the staff, liberty in planning, a bunch of great young guys to work with etc. And at least over here the pay is pretty good when you're on field pay.

[NewsMan]

I agree... with 12 years in, almost pension time. Relax, enjoy the family and get ready to retire in your early 50's. You'll "retire" from the military and have a ton of time for a whole new life.

[RGRBOX]

Hey ****... happens the best of us... I got lucky for my 10 years... but I had too Tabbed friends who went to RTB... they loved it.. but they were pissed off in the beginning.. I saw one of them just when he was coimg back to Bragg.. SFAS.. he was in some good shape, and got a **** load of college, and military schools.. If your Infantry, try to get Benning.. that way your at the home of Infantry type schools... Pathfinder, Ranger School, ....Isn't Inf. ANCO there? Anyway, the hours are better from when I wen thru BT, so you'll have a better chance of spending time with your family... plus, once your finished you probably get your chance of assignment.. this can be considered a break fro you, plus you get to pass down your experience... Beats Recruiting, S-3 or some of that other ****... On top of all of that, you will have better chances in th future of getting promoted... I've not meet too many CSMs who haven't done a DI stint.... good luck, but dude, don't get out yet, I did after 10 years and I regret it a lot...

[TuNeRsHaRk]

you wont mention the school ?

[Tracker 23A]

Being a soldier is taking orders and doing them in most cases, whether you want to or not. Part of that is teaching your skills to those who will eventually take your place, either in an operational unit or at a training unit. If you were given the opportunity to train new people in your field, you should take it for all it is worth.

You have an opportunity to teach people the way you think and influence the ways they will behave and perhaps further on, help them train new troops they train using your ideas. I have always remembered the NCO's that put me through my training years ago, and some were good and some were bad, but I have always looked at the good ones and have tried to reflect their good example onto soldiers I have trained in my career so far with those positive methods.

Having a good "gung ho" career in the beginning and then taking it easy at a training facility at the end of ones career is nothing to be ashamed of or looked at with negative eyes. I haven't got to that cross roads yet, but when I am done having my fun I will seek to teach. You have had good experiences and time in, just what a new soldier needs to learn from, an EXPERIENCED soldier like yourself.

I would go for it.

[Jedburgh]

...going to an instructor slot (non-deployable for at least three years, and could be four)...
Training units are non-deployable, but the personnel are up for grabs. A lot of soldiers in training assignments - to include DIs - are getting hit with individual taskings for missions in-theater. There are variables of course, but being in an instructor position does not mean that you are non-deployable.

[dunkin]

Training units are non-deployable, but the personnel are up for grabs. A lot of soldiers in training assignments - to include DIs - are getting hit with individual taskings for missions in-theater. There are variables of course, but being in an instructor position does not mean that you are non-deployable.

That's partly true, some instructor slots are in the hot seat for individual taskings, but on the whole, a majority are not. Why would you send your instructors to in-theater jobs when they could be teaching new recruits who will go?

It all boils down to what teaching position you are in, but because **** didn't want to give it away (which is fine) we won't be able to tell, only he will.

[Jedburgh]

Why would you send your instructors to in-theater jobs when they could be teaching new recruits who will go?
Because they are experienced and the operational demand is high - that applies to certain MOSs. As regards DIs, some of them are now being taken out of BCT units to serve as trainers for the Iraqi and Afghan armies. No individual position in TRADOC is non-deployable. Whether the individual deploys during their instructor tour depends on several things - but mostly their MOS. There are some AITs where the quality of training has been negatively impacted by the number of instructors deployed.

[jizzmonkey]

I agree... with 12 years in, almost pension time. Relax, enjoy the family and get ready to retire in your early 50's. You'll "retire" from the military and have a ton of time for a whole new life.

there isnt any relax time


its DRILL school!!

and then follow on odrers to Benning....and my report date is right around the corner

[dunkin]

Because they are experienced and the operational demand is high - that applies to certain MOSs.

Whether the individual deploys during their instructor tour depends on several things - but mostly their MOS. There are some AITs where the quality of training has been negatively impacted by the number of instructors deployed.

Bingo!

Another thing to add to this is that a majority of these "in-theater" slots are voluntary, it's not as if you unit is going and you have no choice.

And if you have a good commander, and you're a good instructor, they won't let you go so that it won't impact training as much.

But like I said we’re talking theoretically here, we don’t know what the job is exactly, so we can’t say one way or the other.

****,

I hope this is giving you some good info to review before making you final decision. Either way, we know you’ll do what best for you.

[Jedburgh]

Another thing to add to this is that a majority of these "in-theater" slots are voluntary, it's not as if you unit is going and you have no choice.
Well, he just said its a DI position - up to this point, all DI taskings that I know of have been voluntary, and there's been no shortage of volunteers. However, although many AIT instructor taskings that are MOS specific are voluntary, there are also plenty that are simply "tag - you're it".

And if you have a good commander, and you're a good instructor, they won't let you go so that it won't impact training as much.
Not applicable. If they have a tasking, they have to fill it - whatever their particular manning shortages or issues may be.

[dunkin]

Not applicable. If they have a tasking, they have to fill it - whatever their particular manning shortages or issues may be.

I'm glad I joined the Air Force!!! If you’re in critical manning you can go back to Higher HQ and give justification why you can't fill a slot, just as long as you know that it will be your turn when your manning comes back up.

[jizzmonkey]

Well, he just said its a DI position - up to this point, all DI taskings that I know of have been voluntary, and there's been no shortage of volunteers. However, although many AIT instructor taskings that are MOS specific are voluntary, there are also plenty that are simply "tag - you're it".

Not applicable. If they have a tasking, they have to fill it - whatever their particular manning shortages or issues may be.

Trust me....it WASNT voluntary.....there are a bunch of us that came down on drill orders...and a bunch more a are going to RTB to be RI's....most of the senior NCO's in the battalion...everyone else is leaving for Germany.....thats right, they are disbanding Deuce Four and reassigning it to a Cav unit in Germany, this will happen sometime in June of next year.

[dunkin]

Trust me....it WASNT voluntary.....there are a bunch of us that came down on drill orders...and a bunch more a are going to RTB to be RI's....most of the senior NCO's in the battalion

Sorry for the confusion we were talking about Deployments as an instructor, not volenteering of the original job.



...everyone else is leaving for Germany.....thats right, they are disbanding Deuce Four and reassigning it to a Cav unit in Germany, this will happen sometime in June of next year.

I heard about this, so I'll be seeing some of your buddies coming my way.

[ABNINF]

Drill Sergeant ****!!!:-) Look man, teaching is one of the best ways to keep soldiers alive. When my best friend went though Sand Hill in '02, they didn't have alot of drills that had combat experience. Many were former 75th guys, which made up for a alot of it. You've got practical, combat experience that's fresh on your mind. You can tell them, "That doesn't really work, but this does." I can't recall ever meeting any drill sergeants that truly regretted doing it. Plus, you get to get some payback;-) jk Good luck man.

[Dominique]

****, I one of the guys that helps run my NG Squadron's (we just converted to a RSTA Squadron) Rep 63 program (DEP & Split Option). We've got several studs that should be heading to Benning for Inf. OSUT (11B &11C).

If you do end up staying in, I've got one or two that I think need some "personal attention" to help keep them motivated. If you don't mind, once you do get there and get settled, could PM me so I can give you their particulars?

[medic99]

****,

I was in your situation two years ago. I seperated from the US Army after a deployment and since that time I went through a period of wanting to do something compariable to the Army. I looked at PSD and after talking to people who worked in the industry I realized the short term was not worth the long term. I am currently working in the financial world in NYC and I hate it. I miss the Army and I am trying to get back in through WOFT. If you like the Army being a DS for a rotation or three is not the worst thing in the world. One might consider it a compliment that the mean green machine has selected you to lead our future warriors.
I would think about your decision a while and weigh all the options. If the Army, and all its bs, is not what you want then get out. But being in the Army is about sacrifices. No one knows that more then the soldiers, like you and me, who are serving or served during these times. At the end of the day you gotta do what you love because waking up and going to a job that does not make you happy sucks. :)

Best of luck,

M99

[ABNGUY]

I just got orders today to a school (which I shall not mention) that really sucks....to be...an instructor of sorts.....and I completley REFUSE to do it, I think I'm going to finally say **** it!! I'm out..I reenlisted indef..but there ARE ways...I just dont want to go out like a ****-bag......but Ithink its time to move on..........................any suggestions??


Argyll????? got any job openings in the "private sector"

Four words: needs of the Army! Cowboy up and do your job. Pass on your knowledge to kids who might need it to save their lives. I had a trainer job for a short six months and I still rate it as the #1 or #2 job I've had in the Army.

[oregongrunt]

I just got orders today to a school (which I shall not mention) that really sucks....to be...an instructor of sorts.....and I completley REFUSE to do it, I think I'm going to finally say **** it!! I'm out..I reenlisted indef..but there ARE ways...I just dont want to go out like a ****-bag......but Ithink its time to move on..........................any suggestions??


Argyll????? got any job openings in the "private sector"

At least you're not going to Korea.

[RGRBOX]

At least you're not going to Korea.

You got that right... I was offered Korea after Panama, but CSM let mer go to Germany... I was much happier... but I didn't return to the Bat afterwards, sad... if I'd gon eto Korea, then I would surely have gone back... but that's life... I was going to go to Vicenza at my 10 year mark... but I decided to get out.. I surely would have had to do an Instructor stint probably RTB if I'd stayed in... I had a 1SG who was pissed when the Army promoted him and sent him to Bragg... he was a Daloniga, and left his family back there while he was at Bragg... I'm sure he probably when back as the 1Sg of the Company back there... Stay in ****... do your time, and move on... If your already have your E-6 then you will probably get on the E-7 list while your there... then you can return to the Line as a Plt Sgt... and what's good, you'll be so relaxed... after the trail...

Anyway, when you get to benning, go by Rgr Joes, and burn that fvcker down for me.. they fvcked me over on an order... and I keep a grudge...

"Sorry Sir, we don't take International Credit cards..." I used to almost live in the store when I was at Benning... now they throw me to the dogs...

Frag would work too..thanks in advance..mike b.

[SGMGSG9]

Look ****Monkey think of the possibilities, you'll be a Drill Instructor and you'll like it..! You'll get the opportunity to mold young people scared as hell & take great enjoyment as they cry for there parents. (You can take that disillusionment & angry and focus it in to one MEAN ASS D.I.) I work with three former Marines all three of them combat veterans. One is 25, another is 34, and the old man of the bunch is like 45'ish. Well the 25 year old is a former recruiter, and the 45'ish one was a D.I. The 25, & 45 year old take great pleasure in "mind gaming me to death" just as they did when they where instructors. Some times when they gang up on me, I get so damn mad I want to spit, but all that dose is bring more pain. L.M.A.O!!!

[cmlap]

If you have been in long enough to be indef, then you should know about signing a declanation statement (dec statment). Refuse the orders (the legal way) and sign the paperwork. You may or may not get screwed on another assignment, but with how bad the Army needs people, don't expect to get treated like new Soldiers do.

SGT L

[jizzmonkey]

If you have been in long enough to be indef, then you should know about signing a declanation statement (dec statment). Refuse the orders (the legal way) and sign the paperwork. You may or may not get screwed on another assignment, but with how bad the Army needs people, don't expect to get treated like new Soldiers do.

SGT L

If I signed a DEC statment...it wouldnt be six months and I would come back down on orders....I am Indef, and I thought I couldnt even sign one anyway.