Srebrenica 1995-2005

[ABiH]

SREBRENICA 1995-2005

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COMPLETED CASES

http://www.un.org/icty/image/boulebleu.gif Erdemovic (http://www.un.org/icty/cases-e/srebrenica/erdemovic/intro-e.htm)(IT-96-22)
http://www.un.org/icty/image/boulebleu.gif Krstic (http://www.un.org/icty/cases-e/srebrenica/krstic/intro-e.htm)(IT-98-33)
http://www.un.org/icty/image/boulebleu.gif Obrenovic (http://www.un.org/icty/cases-e/srebrenica/obrenovic/intro-e.htm)(IT-02-60/2)

CASE AT TRIAL

http://www.un.org/icty/image/boulebleu.gif Milosevic (http://www.un.org/icty/cases-e/srebrenica/milosevic/intro-e.htm)(IT-02-54)

CASES ON APPEAL

http://www.un.org/icty/image/boulebleu.gif Blagojevic and Jokic (http://www.un.org/icty/cases-e/srebrenica/blagojevic/intro-e.htm)(IT-02-60)
http://www.un.org/icty/image/boulebleu.gif Momir Nikolic (http://www.un.org/icty/cases-e/srebrenica/nikolic/intro-e.htm)(IT-02-60/1)

CASES IN PRE-TRIAL

http://www.un.org/icty/image/boulebleu.gif Popovic (http://www.un.org/icty/cases-e/srebrenica/popovic/intro-e.htm)(IT-02-57)
http://www.un.org/icty/image/boulebleu.gif Beara (http://www.un.org/icty/cases-e/srebrenica/beara/intro-e.htm)(IT-02-58)
http://www.un.org/icty/image/boulebleu.gif Drago Nikolic (http://www.un.org/icty/cases-e/srebrenica/dnikolic/intro-e.htm)(IT-02-63)
http://www.un.org/icty/image/boulebleu.gif Borovcanin (http://www.un.org/icty/cases-e/srebrenica/borovcanin/intro-e.htm)(IT-02-64)
http://www.un.org/icty/image/boulebleu.gif Miletic and Gvero (http://www.un.org/icty/cases-e/srebrenica/miletic/intro-e.htm)(IT-04-80)
http://www.un.org/icty/image/boulebleu.gif Perisic (http://www.un.org/icty/cases-e/srebrenica/perisic/intro-e.htm)(IT-04-81)
http://www.un.org/icty/image/boulebleu.gif Pandurevic and Trbic (http://www.un.org/icty/cases-e/srebrenica/pandurevic/intro-e.htm)(IT-05-86)

AT LARGE

http://www.un.org/icty/image/boulebleu.gif Karadzic and Mladic (http://www.un.org/icty/cases-e/srebrenica/karadzic/intro-e.htm)(IT-95-5/18)
http://www.un.org/icty/image/boulebleu.gif Tolimir (http://www.un.org/icty/cases-e/srebrenica/miletic/intro-e.htm)(IT-04-80)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre)

[achilles]

You dont expect this thread to actually honour the victims, do you?

There are identical threads all over the place. Use the search button and see for yourself.

[SeanAshi]

You dont expect this thread to actually honour the victims, do you?

There are identical threads all over the place. Use the search button and see for yourself.
Some of us are to lazy to use the search option.

[XJ96]

I was there in 93

[woofer]

You dont expect this thread to actually honour the victims, do you?

There are identical threads all over the place. Use the search button and see for yourself.


Maybe the thread doesnt but you may !

[PELASGOS]

Any criminal indictments versus the Jihadists trained in Bosnia and spread

terror today?

[Inquisitor]

Any criminal indictments versus the Jihadists trained in Bosnia and spread

terror today?


if they did crimes,yes,they are in the hague paying for their actions,unlike others.....

[PELASGOS]

[QUOTE=Inquisitor]if they did crimes,yes,they are in the hague paying for their actions,unlike others.....[/QUOT



Are there any foreign Mujahedeen accused at Hague? Obviously the fought

fair by the customs of war

[Inquisitor]

[QUOTE=Inquisitor]if they did crimes,yes,they are in the hague paying for their actions,unlike others.....[/QUOT



Are there any foreign Mujahedeen accused at Hague? Obviously the fought

fair by the customs of war


sigh....

if you knew something about the hague,you'd know only officers and commanders can get indicted...

[Clearday-TRForce]

Udruženje boraca "Bosnae-Zelene beretke" pozvalo sve članove Odbora da 18. oktobra održe promociju naziva Međunarodnog aerodroma Sarajevo - Alija Izetbegović, uprkos "englesko - četničkoj zabrani preimenovanja aerodroma u Sarajevu".

then



"Ja želim samo popravak onoliko koliko sam u stanju, a moj uspjeh zavisi isključivo od Allaha, u Njega se uzdam i Njemu se obraćam". (Hud, 88. ajet)."




http://bosnjaci.net


http://www.ukexpert.co.uk/photopost/data/700/43813_Dont_foget_Srebrenica-med.JPG

[PELASGOS]

[QUOTE=PELASGOS]


sigh....

if you knew something about the hague,you'd know only officers and commanders can get indicted...


If you knew a bit of law you 'd know: Hague statute


Article 6
Personal jurisdiction

The International Tribunal shall have jurisdiction over natural persons pursuant to the provisions of the present Statute.

Article 7
Individual criminal responsibility

1. A person who planned, instigated, ordered, committed or otherwise aided and abetted in the planning, preparation or execution of a crime referred to in articles 2 to 5 of the present Statute, shall be individually responsible for the crime.



For example the accused Dusan Tadic was a prison guard.

[Robroy]

You dont expect this thread to actually honour the victims, do you?

There are identical threads all over the place. Use the search button and see for yourself.

I don´t understand why you don't accept to be discussed on one of the worst crimes of human story???

[Robroy]

Any criminal indictments versus the Jihadists trained in Bosnia and spread

terror today?

any evidences and arrests of these Jihadists??? BiH is under International Control. so if there are jihadists, it is the fault of International Authorities! And these men are worst than Jihadists!
IMHO.

[cut]

the crowd say lock, Selecta!

[Lokos]

any evidences and arrests of these Jihadists???

Uhh... Quite a lot, actually. It's no secret that several thousand Mujahideen from all over the Islamic world fought in the Bosnian War. They now have Bosnian passports. And, seeing as they arrived between 1992 and 1994, I don't see how the 'international authorities' now 'controlling' Bosnia can be blamed for their presence - seeing as they weren't in 'control' when they actually came.

Lokos

[Robroy]

Uhh... Quite a lot, actually. It's no secret that several thousand Mujahideen from all over the Islamic world fought in the Bosnian War. They now have Bosnian passports. And, seeing as they arrived between 1992 and 1994, I don't see how the 'international authorities' now 'controlling' Bosnia can be blamed for their presence - seeing as they weren't in 'control' when they actually came.

Lokos

The wife of one friend of mine is Bosnian. They live in Switzerland. She had to make the new passport. She went in Bosnia, the passports were released by International Officers not Bosnians, and she had to give lot of infos and documents to get the passport. It is very difficult to get it!!!!

There were more Western mercenaries fighting for the Bosnians! As there were lot of jihadists too! But in a war that nobody was allie for Bosnia, when the civilised world allowed a Holocaust (as we did with the Jewish Shoah), so they accepted all the disponible allies.

As lot of greeks, russians and other orthodox extremists (and orthodox extremism is the worst enemy of western civilisation), fought for serbians comitting horrible crimes!!!

Tell me a bosnian that acted out of the territory of Bosnia!!!

I can tell you about a serb that killed with a knife a Minister of an EU member, a WOMAN!

Tell me on Bosnians that made terrorist acts, or even war acts in Belgrade!!!!

My friend, is the time that you became coscient for the horrors for which you are responsable, and able to do again!
Friendly regards.

[Lokos]

The wife of one friend of mine is Bosnian. They live in Switzerland. She had to make the new passport. She went in Bosnia, the passports were released by International Officers not Bosnians, and she had to give lot of infos and documents to get the passport. It is very difficult to get it!!!!

Is there a point to this anecdote? The mujahideen did not have to 'get' these passports, they were issued them by the government of the Bosnian-Croat Federation.


There were more Western mercenaries fighting for the Bosnians!

No. Westerners were a far more significant factor in the Croat war effort.


But in a war that nobody was allie for Bosnia, when the civilised world allowed a Holocaust

A Holocaust, was it? You really do know nothing about the Bosnian War, do you? Not even Inquisitor/RBIH_Troop (Bosnian members of this board) would have the temerity to call what happened a 'Holocaust'. What a dirty, insidious manner of debate you have. Do not bandy words around when recontextualizing them to fit your disgusting agenda.


(as we did with the Jewish Shoah)

The Serbian population sheltered well over 60,000 Jews throughout the war (WWII), actually.


and other orthodox extremists (and orthodox extremism is the worst enemy of western civilisation)

Shall I laugh now, or shall I laugh later? That is the question. Pray tell, champ, what makes 'Orthodox extremism' the 'worst enemy of Western civilization'?


Tell me a bosnian that acted out of the territory of Bosnia!!!

How about the ones we killed fighting for the KLA in '98-'99?


I can tell you about a serb that killed with a knife a Minister of an EU member, a WOMAN!

You mean that deranged lunatic in Sweden? So, we are all deranged lunatics is what you're trying to say? Perhaps we'd all be better off dead? Maybe you want to open some new concentration camps for us, yes? Maybe you need some stoves to process our 'animalistic, deranged, lunatic selves', yes? Or perhaps you prefer the Croat method, knife in throat and the such?


Tell me on Bosnians that made terrorist acts, or even war acts in Belgrade!!!!

Would you like me to tell you about the ones living in Belgrade, quite safely, instead?


My friend, is the time that you became coscient for the horrors for which you are responsable, and able to do again!

Shut up. You're in no position to teach me lessons in morality, alright, mate?

And, no, I have no friendly regards for you, I'm afraid.

Lokos

[achilles]

I don´t understand why you don't accept to be discussed on one of the worst crimes of human story???

Welcome to mp.net. I would advise you to start using the search button a bit more before you jump into fast conclusions on whether i accept to talk about one of the 'worst crimes of human story';)

[cro-mag]

Tell me a bosnian that acted out of the territory of Bosnia!!!

little digresion here... i asume that you are thinking on Bosnian moslems.. bosnians are Croats, Moslems and serbs that are living in the bosnia.. BiH doesn't belong neither to them nore anyone else
P.S don't pay much attention to Lokos.. he's a unhappy teenager who hates the world

[PELASGOS]

The wife of one friend of mine is Bosnian. They live in Switzerland. She had to make the new passport. She went in Bosnia, the passports were released by International Officers not Bosnians, and she had to give lot of infos and documents to get the passport. It is very difficult to get it!!!!

There were more Western mercenaries fighting for the Bosnians! As there were lot of jihadists too! But in a war that nobody was allie for Bosnia, when the civilised world allowed a Holocaust (as we did with the Jewish Shoah), so they accepted all the disponible allies.

As lot of greeks, russians and other orthodox extremists (and orthodox extremism is the worst enemy of western civilisation), fought for serbians comitting horrible crimes!!!

Tell me a bosnian that acted out of the territory of Bosnia!!!

I can tell you about a serb that killed with a knife a Minister of an EU member, a WOMAN!

Tell me on Bosnians that made terrorist acts, or even war acts in Belgrade!!!!

My friend, is the time that you became coscient for the horrors for which you
are responsable, and able to do again!
Friendly regards.


Ever heared the massacre of 3000 Bosnian Serb population in Bratunac by Muslims or

your muslim friends failed to mention it?


http://www.seeurope.net/en/Story.php?StoryID=55983&LangID=1

[cro-mag]

Ever heared the massacre of 3000 Bosnian Serb population in Bratunac by Muslims or

your muslim friends failed to mention it?


http://www.seeurope.net/en/Story.php?StoryID=55983&LangID=1
pure bull....

[eucalyptus]

PELASGOS, just when the flame started to decline you accelerated it. Bratunac is a ****hole where nationalists and extrimist hold out. And only massacure and cleansing was done to the muslim and croat population of Bratunac. The article doesn´t even say that there where Serb massacures in that town. Please do read what you link.

[achilles]

PELASGOS, just when the flame started to decline you accelerated it. Bratunac is a ****hole where nationalists and extrimist hold out. And only massacure and cleansing was done to the muslim and croat population of Bratunac. The article doesn´t even say that there where Serb massacures in that town. Please do read what you link.

Most people, including you apparently, know the story as told by NATO in order to 'justify' the the actual devastation of Serbia and its people a few years later...those Serbian monsters...the only ones comitting attrocities in the region:

Bosnian Army General is accusing the Bosnian President
Bosnian General is accusing the Bosnian president of allowing the killings and attrocities against the Bosnian Serbs in the Sarajevo during the civil war. As an act of the protest he is returning his rank as brigadier general of the AR BiH (Army of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, known during the war as BMA - Bosnian Muslim Army)
http://www.balkanpeace.org/cib/bos/bosi/bosi02.html

Click on the link to read more on how Bosnian 'jihadists' used to kill Serbian civilians.

Are the Serbs guilty of comitting a wholesale attrocity? Yes they are. If i were a Croat however, i would keep my freaking mouth shut:

In August 1995, the Croatian army launched a full-scale invasion to recover all of the Serb-held areas in Krajina. Some 200,000 Serbs fled to Serb-held areas of Bosnia or to Serbia, as Croatian troops quickly reclaimed rebel strongholds such as Knin, and other cities. In under a week, Croatia claimed triumph in its battle to recover Krajina. Croatia's victories in Krajina and Bosnia helped generate momentum toward peace talks for the Muslim republic, with the foreign ministers of Bosnia, Croatia, and Serbia (representing the Bosnian Serbs) agreeing to the underlying principles for an arrangement by September. During that period however, Croatian soldiers continued a campaign of terror through Krajina, burning and looting property and engaging in mass killings of ethnic Serbs. The Dayton agreement reached in November 1995 brought a general peace to the region, with mass violence by Croats against Serbs generally halting by the end of 1995.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/croatia.htm

And i wont get into forther details on the tactics adopted by the Croats because there are underaged youngsters browsing these boards...


Conclusion: ALL sides have their fair share of blame and responsibility.

[PELASGOS]

PELASGOS, just when the flame started to decline you accelerated it. Bratunac is a ****hole where nationalists and extrimist hold out. And only massacure and cleansing was done to the muslim and croat population of Bratunac. The article doesn´t even say that there where Serb massacures in that town. Please do read what you link.


Perhaps you didn't see it :

recently published the names and ages at death of more than 3,000 Serbs allegedly killed by Muslim forces in Srebrenica

about 1,000 war victims are buried as an Orthodox priest led a prayer for the dead . Non Muslims or Croats i presume .

The fact that some of us know some details the western media chose no to show doesn't mean that we invent it with google help.


From Hague:


Subsequently, on February 12, 2004, testifying at the International Criminal Tribunal in The Hague, General Morillon stressed that the Muslim commander in Srebrenica, Naser Oric, "engaged in attacks during Orthodox holidays and destroyed villages, massacring all the inhabitants. This created a degree of hatred that was quite extraordinary in the region, and this prompted the region of Bratunac in particular---that is the entire Serb population---to rebel against the very idea that through humanitarian aid one might help the population that was present there."

Asked by the ICTY prosecutor how Oric treated his Serb prisoners, General Morillon, who knew him well, replied that "Naser Oric was a warlord who reigned by terror in his area and over the population itself. I think that he realized that these were the rules of this horrific war, that he could not allow himself to take prisoners. According to my recollection, he didn't even look for an excuse. It was simply a statement: One can't be bothered with prisoners."

Morillon recounted how "the Serbs took me to a village to show me the evacuation of the bodies of the inhabitants that had been thrown into a hole, a village close to Bratunac. And this made me understand the degree to which this infernal situation of blood and vengeance [...] led to a situation when I personally feared that the worst would happen if the Serbs of Bosnia managed to enter the enclaves and Srebrenica."

"I feared that the Serbs, the local Serbs, the Serbs of Bratunac, these militiamen, they wanted to take their revenge for everything that they attributed to Naser Oric. It wasn't just Naser Oric that they wanted to revenge, take their revenge on, they wanted to revenge their dead on Orthodox Christmas."

[Lokos]

P.S don't pay much attention to Lokos.. he's a unhappy teenager who hates the world

Actually, I'm a twenty-something year old who tries to hate no one. You're making it hard for me, my friend.

Lokos

[cro-mag]

Are the Serbs guilty of comitting a wholesale attrocity? Yes they are. If i were a Croat however, i would keep my freaking mouth shut:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/croatia.htm


http://www.monitor.hr/smilies/jumping.gif

[achilles]

http://www.monitor.hr/smilies/jumping.gif

Fully agreed ;)

[cro-mag]

you could easly link a www.srpska-mreza.com to http://www.monitor.hr/smilies/jumping.gif

[achilles]

you could easly link a www.srpska-mreza.com to http://www.monitor.hr/smilies/jumping.gif

Yeah i could have done that pretty easily...but i didnt;)

Do you deny the killings comitted by your compadres?

[cro-mag]

Yeah i could have done that pretty easily...but i didnt;)

Do you deny the killings comitted by your compadres?
what? where? when?
(text you linked from GlobalSecurity is bull****.. pure serbian fascist propaganda)
who's site is Global Security ;) :D

[achilles]

what? where? when?
(text you linked from GlobalSecurity is bull****.. pure serbian fascist propaganda)
who's site is Global Security ;) :D

I dont know...you go and look it up...i wont do all the job for you now will i?

And then by all means come up with something really GOOD that is able to refute the undisputed Croatian attrocities against various people in the Balkans...;)

Or you can just restrain yourself from posting further horse****e in a thread that proceeds relatively well for its topic...

If globalsecurity, an American independent and relatively objective site, is not enough for you, who failed to post ANY sources whatsoever, i can give you many more links in order to further enlighten you on Croatia's past and present...

All this of course, has nothing to do with the fact that i really want to come up there for vacation. You wont spank me will you?;)

[cro-mag]

I dont know...
so you do not know? what? where, when? who?

P.S. in febuary this year two Serbs(according to their names), possible exYu intelligence rejects, came to "us" with british passports and GlobalSecurty accreditations :D wanting a meeting fast, because they had a flight to cache... we were so impressed that we didn't let them in the building in first place rofl rofl

[achilles]

so you do not know? what? where, when? who?

P.S. in febuary this year two Serbs(according to their names), possible exYu intelligence rejects, came to "us" with british passports and GlobalSecurty accreditations :D wanting a meeting fast, because they had a flight to cache... we were so impressed that we didn't let them in the building in first place rofl rofl

Does it smell like retardation or is it just me? Snif...yep....its retardation...
For the last time...
Do you deny the Croatian attrocities against Serbian civilians or not?

[Robroy]

Is very significant how serbs, still continue to denny crimes that happened under the eyes of all the world! You still remain a risk for the peace! As in 1914!

[achilles]

Is very significant how serbs, still continue to denny crimes that happened under the eyes of all the world! You still remain a risk for the peace! As in 1914!

As opposed to the Croatians and Bosnian Muslims who contributed to the world peace by fighting side by side with the Nazis;)

I havent seen any Serb around here denying anything, for that matter...yet i HAVE seen Croats who live in their own purified world...

[PELASGOS]

Robroy , the name Stepinac rings any bells to you ?

[hauptman]

The sad thing is that UN soldiers didn't engage the serbs troops and just watched.

But I don't know: Some sources say that only 2800 were killed, other sources up to 8000.
Pretty confusing.

[cro-mag]

Does it smell like retardation or is it just me? Snif...yep....its retardation...
For the last time...
Do you deny the Croatian attrocities against Serbian civilians or not?
What? when? who's been killed?

[cro-mag]

Robroy , the name Stepinac rings any bells to you ?

please.. inlight us :D :D

[achilles]

please.. inlight us :D :D

wi wild live to inlight you bit me think yi too stipid fir this....;)

[Gavrilo]

I'm a Serb and I DENY that Serbs ever committed crimes.

[eucalyptus]

define crimes

[cro-mag]

wi wild live to inlight you bit me think yi too stipid fir this....;)
please continue.. you are very convincing :D

[cro-mag]

I'm a Serb and I DENY that Serbs ever committed crimes.
good for you

[eucalyptus]

As opposed to the Croatians and Bosnian Muslims who contributed to the world peace by fighting side by side with the Nazis;)

I havent seen any Serb around here denying anything, for that matter...yet i HAVE seen Croats who live in their own purified world...

You fail to see that FBiH doesn´t have people running around with handzar markings while lots of serbs living in RS still wear the costum cetnik outfits. Dont give me no they dont because I have seen it while trying to take back the house wich was taken away for a serb family to live in. And there were alot of serb nationalist markings on the wall that had to be removed.

[Gavrilo]

You fail to see that FBiH doesn´t have people running around with handzar markings while lots of serbs living in RS still wear the costum cetnik outfits.
What's wrong with a Chetnik uniform? Why shuoldnt' Serbs be proud of the Chetniks? They saved lots ofpeople from the Nazis. Did you know some Croats and Slovenians fought on the Chetniks' side?

[cro-mag]

yeah Ustashe and Belogardejci
http://www.monitor.hr/smilies/jumping.gif

[Gavrilo]

That's communist propaganda. Don't worry, Tito is dead and his secret police will not kill you if you don't repeat commie propaganda. You can tell the truth now.

[eucalyptus]

fckit. Dont wanna say stuff that gonna get me banned

[cro-mag]

:D :D
www.whitepower.co.uk/serb.html

[Robroy]

:D :D
www.whitepower.co.uk/serb.html (http://www.whitepower.co.uk/serb.html)

it's nothing. Look at www.stromfront.org (http://www.stromfront.org)
Real horror!

[Lokos]

it's nothing. Look at www.stromfront.org
Real horror!

Like I said, if you want to see swastikas all you have to do is wander over to your nearest Orthodox Church in Kosovo, after an Albanian ransacking.

Lokos

[achilles]

please continue.. you are very convincing :D

Oh i know...thanks a lot;) You know why? Because i realize that ALL sides have comitted acts of horror during that conflict...the huge mistake of the Serbs is that they did it massively and it looked like a genocidal attempt...Bosnian Muslims and your compadres did it bit by bit. Still, Bosnian Muslims have done nothing compared to you, who seem to be on the wrong side of history most of the times(check WWII)....now if you dont have anything to post apart from 'Ah! thats bull...thats crap...' or sarcasm void of any substance by all means stop wasting my time...Croatia has been very effective in massive slaughtering throughout history and we both know it...end of story..

salute my innocent balkan brother...salute...

[achilles]

it's nothing. Look at www.stromfront.org (http://www.stromfront.org)
Real horror!

I think you posted the wrong link. There is nothing there apart from online gambling and stuff like that.

I could easily speak of UCK horror, killings of civilians, terrorism and massive drug traficking...but whats the point in blaming each other? Aknowledge that everyone has its fair share of reponsibility and move on...promote the damn discussion!

[cro-mag]

Oh i know...thanks a lot;) You know why? Because i realize that ALL sides have comitted acts of horror during that conflict...the huge mistake of the Serbs is that they did it massively and it looked like a genocidal attempt...Bosnian Muslims and your compadres did it bit by bit. Still, Bosnian Muslims have done nothing compared to you, who seem to be on the wrong side of history most of the times(check WWII)....now if you dont have anything to post apart from 'Ah! thats bull...thats crap...' or sarcasm void of any substance by all means stop wasting my time...Croatia has been very effective in massive slaughtering throughout history and we both know it...end of story..

salute my innocent balkan brother...salute...

again who? what? when?
you are a victim of 60 years of propaganda.. can't blame you

The Serbian scholar Bogoljub Kocovic best summarized the dilemma of those who would dare to seek the truth in this complex and volatile history:


Very soon it dawned upon me that the major obstacle to my work would be the myths created over four decades about the number of victims, myths by now deeply implanted in the soul of the people of all religions, political beliefs and nationality; myths which, by repetition became a 'reality'. There will be many who will reject my study because it does not conform to their beliefs...Many of them are looking for spiritual food to ignite their hatred of the Croats.

http://mirror.veus.hr/myth/

Apart from wide spread thinking last war wasn't war between Serbs and Croats.. thousunds of Serbs fought for the Republic of Croatia along with their countrymen Hungaryans, Czech's, Ukrains, Jews. Albanians to( have two great commanders, one is a General) and all other minoritys in Croatia against the agressors, local and abroad... this country was multicultural from the beginings of time.. even the man who founded radical wing of Croatian Rights Party that evolved in Ustashe was a Jew :)

[achilles]

again who? what? when?
you are a victim of 60 years of propaganda.. can't blame you


Oh am i a victim?

Listen dude, if you take a brief look at my post history you will see that its very easy for me to bombard you with a number of independent, or not, online sources that consolidate Croatian attrocities...i wont do it with someone who appears to be living in denial...thats probably you...again i ask....


Have your compadres comitted any unjustified killings against other Balcan people, or not?

[Robroy]

As opposed to the Croatians and Bosnian Muslims who contributed to the world peace by fighting side by side with the Nazis;)

I havent seen any Serb around here denying anything, for that matter...yet i HAVE seen Croats who live in their own purified world...


Greec, Serbs, Russians, Dutch, French, Albanian etc, fought at nazi side....

[sp2c]

Greec, Serbs, Russians, Dutch, French, Albanian etc, fought at nazi side....

there were a lot more Dutch fighting on the other side.

those that did fight on the german side (most joined to fight against the communists) were sentenced in court for betraying their country

so that is a piss poor argument dude

[achilles]

Greec, Serbs, Russians, Dutch, French, Albanian etc, fought at nazi side....

You forgot the British and the Americans :lol::lol::lol:

Listen mate, the whole world knows, apart from you maybe, that the Greeks, Serbs and Russians displayed the most ferocious resistance to the German troops...


What about the Germans? Did they actually support the Americans or something and i missed it?:)

[sp2c]

and Poland!

[Robroy]

I think you posted the wrong link. There is nothing there apart from online gambling and stuff like that.

I could easily speak of UCK horror, killings of civilians, terrorism and massive drug traficking...but whats the point in blaming each other? Aknowledge that everyone has its fair share of reponsibility and move on...promote the damn discussion!

Achilles, UCK was reknown as a legitome Army that was fighting against the extermination of the proper nation! Greek did not take part in war against Serbia, most probably because was not considered a reliable partner form NATO. Or perhaps the Greek point of view on the extermination of civil populations is the same as the Serbian one!

[achilles]

pssssst.....Robroy....you are not firefighter from the moon are you? ;)

[Robroy]

there were a lot more Dutch fighting on the other side.

those that did fight on the german side (most joined to fight against the communists) were sentenced in court for betraying their country

so that is a piss poor argument dude

Even Albanians, Greeks, Serbs, frenches etc fighting at the other side, were fighting against communism, and this was a really just cause, even them were condemned as traitors by proper countries.

[Robroy]

pssssst.....Robroy....you are not firefighter from the moon are you? ;)

No, I am Robroy:hug:

[Raptus_regaliter]

Someone please put this thread out of its misery.

[Robroy]

You forgot the British and the Americans :lol::lol::lol:

Listen mate, the whole world knows, apart from you maybe, that the Greeks, Serbs and Russians displayed the most ferocious resistance to the German troops...


What about the Germans? Did they actually support the Americans or something and i missed it?:)

thousand upon thousands of them fought for Germany. Especially Greeks that were totally filo nazists, due to the fascist Government of Metaxa. OK, Mussolini atacked the most probable Allie of Germany, but Greek Army surrended to a SS General (Sep Dietrich) and not to a Army General, so they surrended to a comrade of ideas.
http://polished-pixels.com/greece/pictures/1941-7.jpg

[Robroy]

Someone please put this thread out of its misery.

me and you are to young here to say these words. Here is people with 5000 posts....

[achilles]

Achilles, UCK was reknown as a legitome Army that was fighting against the extermination of the proper nation! Greek did not take part in war against Serbia, most probably because was not considered a reliable partner form NATO. Or perhaps the Greek point of view on the extermination of civil populations is the same as the Serbian one!

UCK is just a band of cold blooded criminals, that have been pretty much occupied with drug trafficking and illegal arms trade...let alone all the killings they comitted against Kossovar Serbs...FACT...

As for Greece, we did not officially join NATO, though we facilitated the campaign a lot through the port of Thessaloniki (unfortunately), because of our traditional ties with the Serbian people...all in all, Greece did not support the devastation of the Serbian people...

maybe...and thats a MAYBE, a bunch of Greek radicals were in Srebrenica and MAYBE some of them participated in the killings...the case is under investigation by our authorities at the moment.

So your last comment is not only unfortunate...but rather stupid...

[Robroy]

Is there a point to this anecdote? The mujahideen did not have to 'get' these passports, they were issued them by the government of the Bosnian-Croat Federation.



No. Westerners were a far more significant factor in the Croat war effort.



A Holocaust, was it? You really do know nothing about the Bosnian War, do you? Not even Inquisitor/RBIH_Troop (Bosnian members of this board) would have the temerity to call what happened a 'Holocaust'. What a dirty, insidious manner of debate you have. Do not bandy words around when recontextualizing them to fit your disgusting agenda.



The Serbian population sheltered well over 60,000 Jews throughout the war (WWII), actually.



Shall I laugh now, or shall I laugh later? That is the question. Pray tell, champ, what makes 'Orthodox extremism' the 'worst enemy of Western civilization'?



How about the ones we killed fighting for the KLA in '98-'99?



You mean that deranged lunatic in Sweden? So, we are all deranged lunatics is what you're trying to say? Perhaps we'd all be better off dead? Maybe you want to open some new concentration camps for us, yes? Maybe you need some stoves to process our 'animalistic, deranged, lunatic selves', yes? Or perhaps you prefer the Croat method, knife in throat and the such?



Would you like me to tell you about the ones living in Belgrade, quite safely, instead?



Shut up. You're in no position to teach me lessons in morality, alright, mate?

And, no, I have no friendly regards for you, I'm afraid.

Lokos


I would be terribly afraid if you had any friendly regard for me! It mens that i would be moraly unacceptable being your friend!

[Robroy]

UCK is just a band of cold blooded criminals, that have been pretty much occupied with drug trafficking and illegal arms trade...let alone all the killings they comitted against Kossovar Serbs...FACT...

As for Greece, we did not officially join NATO, though we facilitated the campaign a lot through the port of Thessaloniki (unfortunately), because of our traditional ties with the Serbian people...all in all, Greece did not support the devastation of the Serbian people...

maybe...and thats a MAYBE, a bunch of Greek radicals were in Srebrenica and MAYBE some of them participated in the killings...the case is under investigation by our authorities at the moment.

So your last comment is not only unfortunate...but rather stupid...

They were in Srebrenica, and this Holocaust was totally supported by Greece!
UCK is reknown by NATO officially as an regular army, with uniforms, political reps, etc.
What about smuggling acrtivity of Greece with Serbia, including arms and drugs? How get Serbian army financed....Serbian AF were more a mafia organisation, lot of high rank offcers were killed in outlaw activities.
For example, Badja....was killed at restorant Mamma Mia in Belgrade, and he had a bag with nearly one million DM.

[achilles]

They were in Srebrenica, and this Holocaust was totally supported by greece!

And thats probably the most stupid post you came up with so far...relax

Why i cannot get out of my mind that you are firefighter from the moon?;)

[Robroy]

I'm a Serb and I DENY that Serbs ever committed crimes.

This is the problem...you DENY....

[Robroy]

And thats probably the most stupid post you came up with so far...relax

Why i cannot get out of my mind that you are firefighter from the moon?;)

My friend, you make me fear with your fantasy:) p-)

[Robroy]

And thats probably the most stupid post you came up with so far...relax

;)

It is not stupid. You know very well that Serb Military&Police smuggled everything! For example, in 90 all european organized crime was armed with serbian weapons! The famous Italian antimafia Judges, Falcone and Borselino were killed with Yugo explosives, Badja (Founder of SAJ, later Chief of serb Police) was a smuggler of arms, he sold weapons to bosnians and croatians too. He was killed due to his mafia activities.
Some times ago, in Albania was catched a group of Albanian criminals that had bought from serb army Strela missiles! In this year in Albania were catched more than 2 thousand CZ99 pistols, more than the half with the badge of Armed Forces, some without (exportation model). OK thanks, we are arming our prison police with this exclellent handgun!

[cro-mag]

Oh am i a victim?

Listen dude, if you take a brief look at my post history you will see that its very easy for me to bombard you with a number of independent, or not, online sources that consolidate Croatian attrocities...i wont do it with someone who appears to be living in denial...thats probably you...again i ask....


Have your compadres comitted any unjustified killings against other Balcan people, or not?

well... I'm still waiting

offcourse they did.. on personal level, revenge. apperently round 100 serbs were killed in Operation Storm.. but again every week or two it turns out that some person from list of killed is alive.. living in Serbia or in some cases in Croatia... considering that list(there is no other, apart from Ahmići but they are in BiH) it turned out that some of them died of natural causes few weeks or even months before Operation... some of them a writen on the list twice.. but again that is all from serbian propaganda machinery

now compare murders out of revenge or deaths in Operation (americans called them colateral damage) to execution of 300 wounded men taken out from hospital after fall of Vukovar... or that 100 serbs from Savo Strabac(veritas) where it turns out number of them a alive, meaning pure false and deliberate construction, to 7138 executed nonSerb civilians in Croatia only...
systematic to personal

It is interesting that you see this topic about Srebrenica as a topic against the Serbs... even author didin't started it as one, or having that intention.
Two Serbs from my neigberhood gave their lives for their country Croatia serving in Croatian Army, and that is what Serbs hate about us the most...because all their lies are nothing without any meaning or weight...

so you should be true to yourself first... what is it?? you hate Catholics and Moslems??

[cro-mag]

there were a lot more Dutch fighting on the other side.

those that did fight on the german side (most joined to fight against the communists) were sentenced in court for betraying their country

so that is a piss poor argument dude
It is said to Achilles... because he is obviusly unaware that Croatia was first and only country in Europe to have antifascist movment under arms, 140 000 Croatians fought against the puppet state and croatias fascist.. no european country had anything like that...
Croatia at the time had marionet goverment just like any other country in Europe...

[cro-mag]

UCK is just a band of cold blooded criminals, that have been pretty much occupied with drug trafficking and illegal arms trade...let alone all the killings they comitted against Kossovar Serbs...FACT...

As for Greece, we did not officially join NATO, though we facilitated the campaign a lot through the port of Thessaloniki (unfortunately), because of our traditional ties with the Serbian people...all in all, Greece did not support the devastation of the Serbian people...

maybe...and thats a MAYBE, a bunch of Greek radicals were in Srebrenica and MAYBE some of them participated in the killings...the case is under investigation by our authorities at the moment.

So your last comment is not only unfortunate...but rather stupid...

now this is just sick...rascist bull****.. Serbs treated them in Yugoslavia as a live stock..

you are sad little man

[Robroy]

It is said to Achilles... because he is obviusly unaware that Croatia was first and only country in Europe to have antifascist movment under arms, 140 000 Croatians fought against the puppet state and croatias fascist.. no european country had anything like that...
Croatia at the time had marionet goverment just like any other country in Europe...

u know, serb, greek, french, russian million of nazi collaborators don´t count! As don´t count the antifascist resistance of Croatia, Slovenia, Albania etc!

BTW, the leader of all YUGO resistance was I croatian I supose....:roll:

[Inquisitor]

aahh...I missed balkan ****

anyways, about Bratunac: bosniaks were the first to be killed.

is there a difference between bratunac and srebrenica?Of course,srebrenica:8000 died,bratunac, 450 or so (yes serb source)
and another difference,Bosniaks gave Naser Oric immediately while the two cowards(Mladic and Karadzic) are hiding in the mountains with some wild bears.

About WW2:Achilles *yawns* it's pure bull**** generalising Bosniaks as pro nazi in ww2, sure there was a SS division of muslims...technically,lol, of croats since then there was no Bosniak ethnicity but only croat muslims.

Anyways,we know the largest amount of Partizans were in Bosnia,I hope it tells something.

PS:what is the one and only SS division that mutinated against it's officers? wow,Handzar...yea,it really seems like they were such nazis...if u knew something about Bosnia history you'd know the reasons why they entered in the division.

than let's see where were we... oh yea about serbs being soo anti nazi, a record belgrade is proud of is being the first Judenfrei city in nazi occupied Europe!w00t for the anti-fascists!!!!

P.P.S.

may I post some pics of the anti-fascist freedom fighters known as chetniks :D ?

[Robroy]

aahh...I missed balkan ****

anyways, about Bratunac: bosniaks were the first to be killed.

is there a difference between bratunac and srebrenica?Of course,srebrenica:8000 died,bratunac, 450 or so (yes serb source)
and another difference,Bosniaks gave Naser Oric immediately while the two cowards(Mladic and Karadzic) are hiding in the mountains with some wild bears.

About WW2:Achilles *yawns* it's pure bull**** generalising Bosniaks as pro nazi in ww2, sure there was a SS division of muslims...technically,lol, of croats since then there was no Bosniak ethnicity but only croat muslims.

Anyways,we know the largest amount of Partizans were in Bosnia,I hope it tells something.

PS:what is the one and only SS division that mutinated against it's officers? wow,Handzar...yea,it really seems like they were such nazis...if u knew something about Bosnia history you'd know the reasons why they entered in the division.

than let's see where were we... oh yea about serbs being soo anti nazi, a record belgrade is proud of is being the first Judenfrei city in nazi occupied Europe!w00t for the anti-fascists!!!!

P.P.S.

may I post some pics of the anti-fascist freedom fighters known as chetniks :D ?

Man, I must admit that these is a really honest expression of oppinion!

[ed316]

This discussion just shows that there is still animousity

[GuiltySpark]

So who were the good guys and who were the bad guys?

[Robroy]

So who were the good guys and who were the bad guys?

the bad guys were and are the serbs, with their megallomania and their dream for a greater serbia, their opressive mentality and terrorist tendences...
the goods all the rest

[GuiltySpark]

I see.Now, does committing an attrocioty just because someone else commited one first make you just as bad as them or is it fine because they did it first?

[Robroy]

I see.Now, does committing an attrocioty just because someone else commited one first make you just as bad as them or is it fine because they did it first?

You are right! But this question must be done to whom had the children slaughtered by serbs! I am not in the moral position to answer at your question!

[GuiltySpark]

Aside from those with a bsased opinion I think the rest of the world can see attrocities were commited on all sides of the war by all factions.

Finger pointing is a little silly since everyone has blood on their hands.

[Robroy]

Aside from those with a bsased opinion I think the rest of the world can see attrocities were commited on all sides of the war by all factions.

Finger pointing is a little silly since everyone has blood on their hands.

I am sure that Russians, Britts and Americans committed attrocities in Germany. I am sure that Poles revenged against Germans! But I am never reading about these atrocities....

[Inquisitor]

As rob said... Sure it's easy for the west to say"oh look they are all the same **** everyone has committed atrocities after all" but when you try to say "well even americans have made ****s in Iraq" than it's "oh well ****s happens,we are still the good guys"

But I don't care anymore I am used to it, I know who are the better ones and who the worse ones. But of course I am not denying we bosniaks have blood on our hands,yes we have dones ****s too

[ed316]

every country that has gone to war have blood on their hands, but atrocities and massacers on civilian for what ever reason is sickening and can't be excuse.

[Robroy]

every country that has gone to war have blood on their hands, but atrocities and massacers on civilian for what ever reason is sickening and can't be excuse.

Yes, but serbs did first, and there are more than hundred years that they continuo to do same things in name of Greater Serbia! So perhaps we must begin to localizate the problem and the origin of the problems....

[ed316]

don't want to sound like a left wing nut job, but maybe some sitdown and have it out B**** session might be in order

[Inquisitor]

every country that has gone to war have blood on their hands, but atrocities and massacers on civilian for what ever reason is sickening and can't be excuse.

I never ever tried to justify killing of civillians

[ed316]

I never ever tried to justify killing of civillians

Wasn't trying to point a finger at anyone:)

[cro-mag]

every country that has gone to war have blood on their hands, but atrocities and massacers on civilian for what ever reason is sickening and can't be excuse.
this is a good point.. really it can't be excuse.. let's talk about Iraq and Afganistan "colaterall damage" US and UK sure have a clean, somewhat cold, statistic name for the killing of civilians... it sound's so mathematic, western... apart from those savages in exYu "where they are all the same"

i'm intrested who are the bigger savages Serbs that killed few hundred wounded man from city hospital in Vukovar after three month seige, or the international community that gave Belgrade those same three months win a war?

[achilles]

now this is just sick...rascist bull****.. Serbs treated them in Yugoslavia as a live stock..

you are sad little man

What is sad is the fact that you dont have a clue of what the term 'racist' means...you are new around here...learn how to use the search option before jumping into fast conclusions about someone's ideology. An example of a racist comment would be if i claimed that the Serbs, i.e. Slavs for that matter, is a superior race to the Albanians. There is nothing like that circulating on my mind...is it more clear now? Hope it is...

What is sick, is the fact that your bias and blindness is not letting you understand that i was the first one in this thread, and others, to accept and condemn all killing committed by the Serbs...what makes me more objective than you is that i realize that ALL sides are responsible for acts of horror, yet at a different scale.

God bless the blind, sport...;)

[ed316]

this is a good point.. really it can't be excuse.. let's talk about Iraq and Afganistan "colaterall damage" US and UK sure have a clean, somewhat cold, statistic name for the killing of civilians... it sound's so mathematic, western... apart from those savages in exYu "where they are all the same"

i'm intrested who are the bigger savages Serbs that killed few hundred wounded man from city hospital in Vukovar after three month seige, or the international community that gave Belgrade those same three months win a war?

In my opinion, they are both complicit.

[WKD]

this is a good point.. really it can't be excuse.. let's talk about Iraq and Afganistan "colaterall damage" US and UK sure have a clean, somewhat cold, statistic name for the killing of civilians... it sound's so mathematic, western... apart from those savages in exYu "where they are all the same"

i'm intrested who are the bigger savages Serbs that killed few hundred wounded man from city hospital in Vukovar after three month seige, or the international community that gave Belgrade those same three months win a war?

I think the difference is that the US and UK didn't line civilians up against a wall and shoot them dead. But hey, equivalence is awesome.

And the guilt is on the Serbs in your example. Why? Hey, they PULLED THE TRIGGER. Fighting a war does not give you free hand to commit atrocities. Goddamnit take some responsilbility for once.

WKD

[achilles]

Goddamnit take some responsilbility for once.


His notion of taking responsibility implies profound comments like 'hey...what? who? when did the croats committed attrocities...its all propaganda'...as if we dont know their blackened record...

[cro-mag]

His notion of taking responsibility implies profound comments like 'hey...what? who? when did the croats committed attrocities...its all propaganda'...as if we dont know their blackened record...
10 pages and I'm still waiting

[cro-mag]

I think the difference is that the US and UK didn't line civilians up against a wall and shoot them dead. But hey, equivalence is awesome.

And the guilt is on the Serbs in your example. Why? Hey, they PULLED THE TRIGGER. Fighting a war does not give you free hand to commit atrocities. Goddamnit take some responsilbility for once.

WKD

?for what?

[Inquisitor]

His notion of taking responsibility implies profound comments like 'hey...what? who? when did the croats committed attrocities...its all propaganda'...as if we dont know their blackened record...

Achilles I am not saying we didn't commit atrocities don't think it's about that but...when you see some articles by turks saying armenian genocide was fake, even if they call in foreigner(non turk autors) you keep saying that is propaganda and it's fake. Why than you buy anything that is written on serbian sites?

[achilles]

10 pages and I'm still waiting

DOnt hold your breath...i wont drag myself into this to receive another 'this is bull****' comment by you...move on...

[achilles]

Achilles I am not saying we didn't commit atrocities don't think it's about that but...when you see some articles by turks saying armenian genocide was fake, even if they call in foreigner(non turk autors) you keep saying that is propaganda and it's fake. Why than you buy anything that is written on serbian sites?

I know what you think Inquisitor, we have talked about it extensively.

And how exactly do i buy ANYTHING that is written on Serbian sites? ;)

[cro-mag]

Greeks commited probably the worst act's of genocide against all of their neighboring country, nazis to them were like amaterus, i know this from some Turkish pages but don't hold your breath...i wont drag myself into this to receive another 'this is bull****' comment by you...move on...

this is your logic

[achilles]

Greeks commited probably the worst act's of genocide against all of their neighboring country, nazis to them were like amaterus, i know this from some Turkish pages but don't hold your breath...i wont drag myself into this to receive another 'this is bull****' comment by you...move on...

this is your logic

Probably? Greeks CERTAINLY committed the worst acts of genocide against ALL their neighbouring countries...ask greek murderers.com :lol: or any site quoting Albanian and/or Skopjan filth...

Does that make you feel any better?

[cro-mag]

Probably? Greeks CERTAINLY committed the worst acts of genocide against ALL their neighbouring countries...ask greek murderers.com :lol: or any site quoting Albanian and/or Skopjan filth...

Does that make you feel any better?

that is your logic... like it or not that is how you sound

[achilles]

that is your logic... like it or not that is how you sound

Like it or not...my logic and what i actually mean are two things quite different from what you want/can understand. Now lets move on indeed...

[welshmann]

i suggest u edit ure post very quick.or put warnings there

[Eye]

This discussion end up four years ago. Didn't you notice it?

[SrB-23Q]

This discussion end up four years ago. Didn't you notice it?

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[tea drinker]

This discussion end up four years ago. Didn't you notice it?
Is this how you get to invite only area?