New US Spy Agency: NCS (Humint)

[djon]

US setting up new spying agency

The US has announced the creation of a new intelligence agency led by the CIA to co-ordinate all American overseas spying activities.
The National Clandestine Service (NCS) will oversee all human espionage operations - meaning spying by people rather than by technical means.

The move is the latest in the post-9/11 reforms of US intelligence agencies.

Analysts say the NCS restores some authority to the CIA after it lost overall control of US intelligence.

'Expression of confidence'

The chief of the new service will supervise the CIA's espionage operations and co-ordinate all overseas spying, including those of the FBI and the Pentagon.

The director of the new agency, whose identity will remain secret and is simply known as "Jose", will report directly to the head of the CIA, Porter Goss.

"This is another positive step in building an intelligence community that is more unified, co-ordinated and effective," National Intelligence Director John Negroponte said.

Setting up the NCS was one of more than 70 recommendations made by a commission on weapons of mass destruction in March, which was highly critical of the US' intelligence capabilities.

As part of reforms following the 11 September 2001 attacks, the CIA lost overall control of US intelligence to the newly created National Director of Intelligence.

Mr Goss said the new service represents "an expression of confidence in the CIA" from President George Bush and Mr Negroponte.

"No agency has greater skill and experience in this difficult, complex, and utterly vital discipline of intelligence," Mr Goss said.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/4340318.stm

Published: 2005/10/13 21:34:57 GMT

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[abncougar]

i think its funny how they make this public. "jose". why make it public?? so your enemies know.....and can fear it??

[pathfinder82]

it took 4 years to implement this.

[Nizark]

wonderful, more 'reorganizing.' I sware, we never fix any problems, just rebox and reshuffle. This agency, DHS and all this other stuff has the same people and the same problems.

[Tracker 23A]

wonderful, more 'reorganizing.' I sware, we never fix any problems, just rebox and reshuffle. This agency, DHS and all this other stuff has the same people and the same problems.

yup, and because they are increasing its size, means there are more parts that can go wrong. Keep it simple stupid, isn't something the government doesn't believe in.

[b.scheller]

My main observation about the implementation of a new agency, is the factor or more bureaucratic waste, going to create a huge organization. Why, does America have so many different agencies to aid, in espionage, from the CIA, NSA to this? Wouldn't it be easier to just merge them all into one, it seems to me, like they're all competing on the same market, to defend the same country.

-b.scheller

[EsoognomEhT]

The National Clandestine Service

nice, real catchy!

[dunkin]

My main observation about the implementation of a new agency, is the factor or more bureaucratic waste, going to create a huge organization. Why, does America have so many different agencies to aid, in espionage, from the CIA, NSA to this? Wouldn't it be easier to just merge them all into one, it seems to me, like they're all competing on the same market, to defend the same country.

-b.scheller

I don't think the American people would go for one large agency. It's too much "Big government", and to much power in one place.

Although I agree, one agency would be better than 10!

[b.scheller]

Yes, unfortunately the whole idea with checks and balances. American's are too pre-occupied and to afraid to realize, that the amount of agencies that are out there, to spy on potential terrorists and threats to their freedoms, are competing to gather the knowledge, for more grants and funds. Thus, in the end, if their competing, even lets say only for the prestige, will it make them any more accurate?

-b.scheller

[California Joe]

I'm really Jose. Don't tell anyone.

I find it bizarre that they're setting up a whole new 3 letter agency when it should just remain a division of the original 3 letter agency. Do you know how much frigging time and money will be pissed away setting up the administrative end? Logos to be designed, buildings to be renovated, decorated, Powerpoint presentations to be created, staffing, mission and vision statements to be constantly tweaked and changed, and the meetings, oh the endless meetings......

[duck]

I'm really Jose. Don't tell anyone.

I find it bizarre that they're setting up a whole new 3 letter agency when it should just remain a division of the original 3 letter agency. Do you know how much frigging time and money will be pissed away setting up the administrative end? Logos to be designed, buildings to be renovated, decorated, Powerpoint presentations to be created, staffing, mission and vision statements to be constantly tweaked and changed, and the meetings, oh the endless meetings......

It's good for the airlines, though. Lots of new frequent flyers in the front of the plane. This must be economics disguised as national security.

[Renal]

Just seems really unnecessary.

Look at what happened in NO when nobody was really sure whether it was FEMA, Homeland Security or the state who was supposed to be in charge. Too many organisations result in a duplication of work, product and beurocracy.

[dacanadianbomb]

"Keep it simple stupid, isn't something the government doesn't believe in" Double negation.

CJ is spot on. The money that is going to flow into "branding" this new agency, that is already part of an agency is absolut rubbish.

Which also means it will have its own head, and its own political Bs to go with it. Then your going to have the whole CIA VS FBI VS NSA thing again. Everyone will stay in their own huts, not talk to them other person , and a fruck up will occur.

Instead of just keeping it as a department within a agency,with a global mission objective and purpose, one echelon of big bosses and all the rest.

The administrative costs will be hugenormous.And that really is a complete waste a of money at that.

[Chuckie]

Look at the agencies that were created and moved into DHS. They are almost all messed up with the exception of the Secret Service and now they are talking about taking them out of DHS and setting them up on their own again! All of this while the FY06 budget still goes unapproved!

[madjack]

To centralize HUMINT under one organization is a great but not easily achievable goal, even with all the automation the agencies have these says. The key would be establishing a system for centralizing collection management to minimize redundant taskings (unless you subscribe to the old Soviet theory of applying multiple assets to a single target), but to imagine this working well from tactical level to strategic level ops I'd need a few a more shots of Tullamore Dew.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought this task was one of the reasons the Defense Humint Service was brought online a few years ago.

[usa320]

My main observation about the implementation of a new agency, is the factor or more bureaucratic waste, going to create a huge organization. Why, does America have so many different agencies to aid, in espionage, from the CIA, NSA to this? Wouldn't it be easier to just merge them all into one, it seems to me, like they're all competing on the same market, to defend the same country.

-b.scheller

AMEN!

DHS, CIA, FBI, NSA, DIA, now NCS?

Too many agencies... they all need to get thrown into one.

[California Joe]

Don't forget the guys that used to be NIMA are now NGA.

Hell, I have to call up some of my old pals and see if I can get a contract for 6 million dollars to design them a new logo.....

[ibstolidude]

I'm really Jose. Don't tell anyone.

I find it bizarre that they're setting up a whole new 3 letter agency when it should just remain a division of the original 3 letter agency. Do you know how much frigging time and money will be pissed away setting up the administrative end? Logos to be designed, buildings to be renovated, decorated, Powerpoint presentations to be created, staffing, mission and vision statements to be constantly tweaked and changed, and the meetings, oh the endless meetings......

Well the realy problem will come when positions on the groud are not increased, only positions with-in the "management." This is great, because what we really need is more layers between ground truth and decision makers. (insert wha, wha, whaa-aaaa sound)

[CombatBoots]

This public announcement might be useful for a little 'system check' see who'se moving on the inside. Trying to develop a pattern of some 'insiders'. Trying to figure out who'se trying to figure them out.

You ask who are 'them'? how dare you? p-)

[b.scheller]

Don't forget the guys that used to be NIMA are now NGA.

Hell, I have to call up some of my old pals and see if I can get a contract for 6 million dollars to design them a new logo.....

They should let school children design the logo, and even Weasel can take part in that competition.

p-)

In all seriousness, I'd like to know the result of a good credible survey, on this issue. How many Americans support an agency of this type.

-b.scheller

[ElHombre]

My main observation about the implementation of a new agency, is the factor or more bureaucratic waste, going to create a huge organization. Why, does America have so many different agencies to aid, in espionage, from the CIA, NSA to this? Wouldn't it be easier to just merge them all into one, it seems to me, like they're all competing on the same market, to defend the same country.

-b.scheller

that's what the CIA was originally supposed to be for. beuracratic infighting led to the clunky arrangement among widespread agnecies that we have today.

[Tielir999]

actually im jose california joe was just lying hes not jose i am and i can prove it lol