Springfield SOCOM II

[Uncle Sam]

http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-socom-ii.shtml

http://www.springfield-armory.com/images/rifles/AA9627Large.jpg

I'm buying one soon...

Anyone have anything negetive to say about this thing?

[LtVacan]

Springfield Armory makes great products. I'm considering getting one of these too. The only question I have is, what good is a .308 with a 16" barrel? I bet it has a lot of muzzle flash. You will lose a fair amount of velocity, since the cartridge is designed for a 22" barrel. I might get it anyway.

[Silent 6]

The only negative that I've heard about this rifle was that by chopping down the barrell the gas ejection system was a bit fouled. I think there may have been another thread on this same topic. Try searching.

Guns & Weapons for Law Enforcement and Military magazine did a big write up about it in the September or October issue. It's a good all around rifle!

Good luck and send pics of range time!

[Uncle Sam]

The only negative that I've heard about this rifle was that by chopping down the barrell the gas ejection system was a bit fouled. I think there may have been another thread on this same topic. Try searching.

Guns & Weapons for Law Enforcement and Military magazine did a big write up about it in the September or October issue. It's a good all around rifle!

Good luck and send pics of range time!

I heard that too, but Springfield fixed the problem by somehow re-tuning the gas system??

[Beppo]

Holy crap. That thing looks like a Photoshop project. Cool though...

[Uncle Sam]

Holy crap. That thing looks like a Photoshop project. Cool though...

Yeah, a little much with the rail system, but it looks cool.

They also have the SOCOM 16

http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-socom.shtml

http://www.springfield-armory.com/images/rifles/SOCOM16.jpg

And the M1A Scout

http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-scout.shtml

http://www.gunshopfinder.com/springfield/AA9126.jpg

And then there's the WAY extreme...

http://bastardsinc.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/m1a_scout_ebrb.JPG

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/4030/gray12me.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/4655/mk14mod0ebrleft2rl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/5628/mk14mod0firstissue7xj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/1849/prototypechopmod6jg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/1331/silky0rv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[StukaJr]

Ah, I like the Socom 16 and their M1A Scout version - comfortable, good balance and clean rifle... Haven't gotten to fire one yet, but it's certainly one rifle that I would like to own and will own.

The "Terminator" guns pictures above are nice for some, just not for me... I wonder how much more weight all that metal adds to the weapon design - must to wreck havok on the balancing? Estetically, it also loses its appeal to me. This is my want and need:

http://www.springfield-armory.com/images/rifles/AA9122Large.jpg

Would need "not so evil" Cali legal muzzle thingie that makes me want to assault stuff a lot less :/

My CC that doubles as my allowance on firearm purchase just raised my Limit to where a Cali legal M1A Scout is just a snap of the plastic away... It takes incredible will power not to run out and get one right now :D

[TacoDelRio]

I've got nothing negative to say about em'. Good rifles. Never shot the SOCOM 2, but am very familiar with the SOCOM, and have never heard of any problems with it whilst running anything other than really ****ty surplus from asscrakistan or something.

Might be a good gun to digest those Argentinean 144gr's.

[California Joe]

That thing is butt ugly.

[ABNINF]

Guns & Weapons for Law Enforcement and Military magazine did a big write up about it in the September or October issue.

Yes they did. The author said that with the Springfield muzzle brake the recoil and muzzle flash were very tame, alowing quick follow-up shots. Also said it was very accurate for a 16" barrel

[3rdMillhouse]

And then there's the WAY extreme...

http://bastardsinc.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/m1a_scout_ebrb.JPG

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/4030/gray12me.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/4655/mk14mod0ebrleft2rl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/5628/mk14mod0firstissue7xj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/1849/prototypechopmod6jg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/1331/silky0rv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


uglier than hell itself, kind of resembles a SPAS 12

[Uncle Sam]

I don't care for that one much either...Just showing examples of the EXTREME versions.

[{Minuteman}]

I'm interested, what is the rationale behind buying a short barreled M14, like the SOCOM II? If its a powerful short range defensive weapon you are interested in, aren't you worried about over penetration or keeping the rifle on target after the recoil hits you? Why not stick with a Mini 14 or a shotgun?

I suppose that I could see using a short barreled M14 as a more portable rifle for casual shooting. If you are considering buying it based on looks, the original M14 would be in better taste, but that is only a matter of personal opinion.

[TacoDelRio]

I'm interested, what is the rationale behind buying a short barreled M14, like the SOCOM II? If its a powerful short range defensive weapon you are interested in, aren't you worried about over penetration or keeping the rifle on target after the recoil hits you? Why not stick with a Mini 14 or a shotgun?

I suppose that I could see using a short barreled M14 as a more portable rifle for casual shooting. If you are considering buying it based on looks, the original M14 would be in better taste, but that is only a matter of personal opinion.

Just a personal opinion (shared by millions), but as a weapon or self defense implement, the Mini-14 sucks. It's fine for plinking, but WTF shoots back at you when you plink?

Plus, if you are in an "emergency situation" or "social encounter", shall we say, and you're in a building, in an urban area (such as where I live - Los Angeles), you may be inside a building, shooting to 10 meters one second, then find yourself on a street where targets can fire at you from up to or beyond 300 meters. Cannot really do much with a shotgun at that range.

It's basically a comprimise. Otherwise you'd carry around 14 different weapons trying to do everything "right".

Then again that kinda stuff will never happen. Right? Right?

[{Minuteman}]

I'm not going to argue with you whether the Mini 14 sucks or not, becuase it does suck. It’s a reliable rifle but not very accurate. I wouldnt own one for defense because it would easily penetrate through at least 2 or 3 walls in a house, whereas a shot gun would not and be as likely to kill anyone else around. However, it is still better than any 30.06 with regard to overpenetration.

You do bring up a good point about using the SOCOM II interchangeably as a short range and a medium/long range rifle in combat. Wouldn’t you agree that a .223 or 6.8 AR15-type rifle would do a better job though?

[James]

I've had some bad experiences with regular M1A rifles... broken bolts (the lugs sheared off of a couple) and cracked receivers. I was told that it was the result of using surplus South African ammo designed for the FAL, but I don't know. This was a couple of years ago too, so maybe quality has improved.

[Howie Kaluha]

Hawt.........

[{Minuteman}]

Bad ammunition can damage any gun if you ask me. Does anyone else here use Wolf ammunition? I use that most.

[TacoDelRio]

I'm not going to argue with you whether the Mini 14 sucks or not, becuase it does suck. It’s a reliable rifle but not very accurate. I wouldnt own one for defense because it would easily penetrate through at least 2 or 3 walls in a house, whereas a shot gun would not and be as likely to kill anyone else around. However, it is still better than any 30.06 with regard to overpenetration.

You do bring up a good point about using the SOCOM II interchangeably as a short range and a medium/long range rifle in combat. Wouldn’t you agree that a .223 or 6.8 AR15-type rifle would do a better job though?

I'd LOVE a .223 carbine, problem being the ones I'd like, IE an AR with a 16" barrel etc., aren't legal in Cali. Leaves me with an SU16 carbine, which is a great little rifle, but durability may be an issue. The only experience I've ever had so far as durability went with the Kel Tec's is having two of them fall off a display and smack me on the head and hit the floor. They were fine. I think they're durable enough to be a truck gun, but I dunno about certain "extended involuntary camping trips". ;) Now I'd like an Armalite M15A4 carbine, but I'd have to go to prison for that.

Therefore leaving me with only the M1A, preferably the Scout, as a "main battle rifle". Good and handy in cities and vehicles, yet with enough range to hit things further out so you can get the f*ck out. Hopefully.

Furthermore my lack of magical funding has left me without any of these rifles. Damn.

*James: Sorry to hear about that. Were they using Imbel or Norinco carriers?

*BTW, my buddy uses Wolfski ammo in his M1A Standard without problems. I told him to clean the chamber extra carefully because of the laquer paint on older, steel cases. I think they're all plastic or something-coated now, or some sh*t. I use WOlf almost exlusively out of my SKS, but then again, that's an SKS.

[Seraphim]

I rather get one built from Fulton and just add on a KAC M14 RAS. Most of the parts put into SA M14/M1A arent even made from USGI parts!

[TacoDelRio]

I rather get one built from Fulton and just add on a KAC M14 RAS. Most of the parts put into SA M14/M1A arent even made from USGI parts!

They're IMBEL, along with most (if not all) SA 1911's. Doesn't mean they're bad or anyhting, just not as good as they could be! :)

[Seraphim]

Yeah made in Brasil...Im not sure what the custom shop 1911 frames are made from. And then theres the on going discussion of MIM parts and lalalala. But at least you dont have to worry about it because they have awesome lifetime warranty.

[{Minuteman}]

Therefore leaving me with only the M1A, preferably the Scout, as a "main battle rifle". Good and handy in cities and vehicles, yet with enough range to hit things further out so you can get the f*ck out. Hopefully.

What about a preban upper? If that isn't allowed then what you are saying makes perfect sense, its just I figured if I could get away with owning a 16" barreled AR15 legally and have none other than Mrs Hillary Clinton as senator here in NY, it must be possible for you!

This is making more sense to me now, so thanks to both of you for explaining.

[ABNINF]

I shot alot of the older Wolf ammo out of my AR-15, and had no problems with it. The new ammo uses a polymer coating I believe, to solve the laquer problem.

[TacoDelRio]

What about a preban upper? If that isn't allowed then what you are saying makes perfect sense, its just I figured if I could get away with owning a 16" barreled AR15 legally and have none other than Mrs Hillary Clinton as senator here in NY, it must be possible for you!

This is making more sense to me now, so thanks to both of you for explaining.

No. In Kommiefornia, AK's and AR's have their ow classification under our commie assault weapons ban (which is still here). The only legal AR15's we can get have NO MAGAZINE WELL, and are loadable (real word?) only by popping your rear reciever pin as if dissassembling, and putting a clip into the magazine well.

Here is the FAB10:
http://www.fabten.com/
http://www.fabten.com/Animation%20fab10a.gif
I've got nothing against the company, but what "our" state does to our 2nd Amendment is, well, unconstitutional (obviously) and incredibly insulting.

And since you can't have a detatchable box magazine on a centerfire rifle AND a pistol grip (logic?), here's an addon that makes you cry:
http://www.fabten.com/ATF%20Grip_cutout-RGB_Web%20(1).jpg
Makes it more dangerous to handle and fire, if you ask me.

DMPS makes one for California. I need'nt go further, as the picture explains it all:
http://www.dpmsinc.com/images/RFA2-V.jpg
Not a combat-effective implement in any circumstance, unless shooting in the Special Olympics.

So basically, you can buy an upper here, but no lower, unless you get the commie 10rd no-magazine one.

In other words, if you REALLY want an AR so bad in California, get an airsoft rifle, because the closest combat-effective weapon you can get to that is an M1 Garand.

Welcome to Kommiefornia!

[Uncle Sam]

Yeah, California is all screwey with their gun laws..

In Florida, with the new "Stand your ground" Law...we get to shoot people and get away with it now (Like we haven't before)...It's great!

[TacoDelRio]

Yeah, California is all screwey with their gun laws..

In Florida, with the new "Stand your ground" Law...we get to shoot people and get away with it now (Like we haven't before)...It's great!

LUCKY BASTARD!!!!!!

I'd move to Florida... IF:
-They had a large desert I could get lost in
-They didn't have hurricanes
-Less old folks

[{Minuteman}]

I honestly wish you didn’t show me that.


I mean talk about federalism at its worst. That is absolutely absurd. It’s not even worth the trouble to explain all the reasons why that is so completely unconstitutional and beyond simple logic. I don’t understand how laws like that could be put in place were it not for such an overwhelming majority of people who lack reason so considerably and elect these feebleminded representatives. Its sad that someone like yourself would have to consider leaving where you live because of all the senselessness.

[TacoDelRio]

I honestly wish you didn’t show me that.


I mean talk about federalism at its worst. That is absolutely absurd. It’s not even worth the trouble to explain all the reasons why that is so completely unconstitutional and beyond simple logic. I don’t understand how laws like that could be put in place were it not for such an overwhelming majority of people who lack reason so considerably and elect these feebleminded representatives. Its sad that someone like yourself would have to consider leaving where you live because of all the senselessness.

California is a great place to go visit for a vacation. Lots to do. If it weren't for the tons of people, illegal immigration problems, moronic politicians, communist ideals taught in public schools, huge population, etc, then I'd love it here. Then again it wouldn't be Kommiefornia.

I wonder how long it will take Nevada to become kommie too. Las Vegas / Henderson is one of the fastest growing places in the US, and alot of people form LA are moving there. Doesn't sound good to me, cause' I'm sure they aren't all gunsmiths and Mil/LEO members/retirees.

I envy you guys and your firearms freedom, and I'm right next door.

[{Minuteman}]

The difference with Nevada is that many citizens already own effective enough firearms so they can protect their rights if their state government fails to do so ;)

Yes California is a beautiful state, but I would take the east coast over it any day. And I mean that in terms of both the scenery and the rights most of us are able to enjoy. Our states more closely follow the ideals our founding fathers fought for in my opinion. Even New York pails in comparison to the bull**** you seem to put up with.

[TacoDelRio]

The difference with Nevada is that many citizens already own effective enough firearms so they can protect their rights if their state government fails to do so ;)

Yes California is a beautiful state, but I would take the east coast over it any day. And I mean that in terms of both the scenery and the rights most of us are able to enjoy. Our states more closely follow the ideals our founding fathers fought for in my opinion. Even New York pails in comparison to the bull**** you seem to put up with.

I think it's primarilly how most people here grow up. Everyone is always talking about celebrities and their ****** endeavours and their relationships, like it f*cking matters. Nobody hunts, fishes, THINKS FOR THEMSELVES, does anything that would make them "different". Sheep.

Lotsa sheep.

Whatever. I just don't particularilly want to be present when this place goes completely down the tubes. It would be interesting to see what people here do in disasters. Probably the most unprepared group of Charlie Foxtrot's in the world.

This all makes me want to get an M1A Scout. :)