Bomb kills 100 in Iraq

[Argyll]

Just in!!

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1121692,00.html



This really sounds like the back has been broken of the resistance!!What a stupid thing to have said!

This will heap more pressure on the Coalition to protect the very people who they were supposed to have liberated.........what a mess!!

[Trident-za]

F***

Thats a bloody serious number, are you sure you didn't mean 10?

I agree with you about the "back of the resistence" stuff..... I think the "resistence" is going to be around for a looooong time, just like in Afghanistan.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Did anyone else see the UK Channel 4 documentary "Invading Iraq" last evening (Sat 31st) - Having watched that, I'm not cinvinced we're winning outside the southern provinces.

[Javehn]

t's reported even more then 100 kills by Kurdish officials .. That's a real mess , real mess over there .

[Trident-za]

Yeah, I see Yahoo now has info of perhaps more than 100 - 57 deaths confirmed so far.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040201/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq&cid=540&ncid=716

The coalition will be under some pressure here, as Argyll said.

[Argyll]

I watched it DW58,....it was very good,it paints a very different picture than the one we've been spoon fed by the authorities!
There was a distinct "who cares about collateral damage" attitude from certain areas,after watching it,it is no surprise why the ordinary Iraqi's who lost "everything and everyone"have a deep resentment to the Coalition

[DeltaWhisky58]

Yes, the treatment of civillians in Nasiriya and Baghdad was frightening.

I was interested to note the sub-title of Where America and Britain went wrong, and then British forces hardly featured at all.

[Rantanplan]

F***ing Bloody Sunday!!! :(

[Trident-za]

OK, nobody has said it yet, so I will:

RIP, you poor Iraqi civilians.

[Trident-za]

A thought: it seems the majority of the victims were Kurds. This incident might also do some harm in terms of ethnic issues... as I understand it there is quite a bit of tension between the 3 major groups already :(

[Vance]

This is just f***ing great.

RIP Iraqis.

[Aegirsson]

it paints a very different picture than the one we've been spoon fed by the authorities!


Or maybe a more realistic.

[SeanAshi]

The Kurds are going to want revenge.

[oldsoak]

:( RIP poor iraqis

[George W. Bush]

I think the Kurds are gonna lay down some ass-whoopin' on those Islamist terrorists. I think revenge or payback is common to those people so it might not escalate further when they do respond.

[Argyll]

And do you all still think the Iraqis will live in peace happily ever after?

[Royal]

Crappy start to Eid :(

RIP

[George W. Bush]

Yeah. I do.

You can't deny the progress being made by the U.S. Army. You can't deny that there are "good" Iraqis. Those that aren't brainwashed by Saddam. They will be the leaders of their country once we get the hell out of there ASAP :lol:

[Skaman]

Horrible.

[Argyll]

I'm really really curious as to what progress do you seem to think has gone on in Iraq,you also seem to forget that Iraq has many other coalition Troops there as well,it is not just the US Army mate! :bash:

Lets see,the attacks continues,Iraqi's and Coalition trrops are dying daily,and they are no nearer a democracy than whatt they were 6 months ago.......yes I'd guess that's progress!
Not all Iraqi's were brainwashed by Saddam,that is the West's perception that they'd like you to believe.........there is still mass unemployment,no judicial system,inaqequate Law and Order.

I have mates in Baghdad right as we speak and they paint a very different picture........it is total chaos my friend........so again I guess you can call that progress!!.

For sure the Infrastructure is being rebuilt ,but not the hearts of the Iraqi's,especially in the Sunni region,even in Basra there is an attitude of mistrust towards the Brits.

As to you saying they be leaders of their country "once we get the hell out of there ASAP",****e........they need to start leading now,as for getting out ASAP,that's a defeatists attitude,Iraq will not be rebuilt in a year,we need to be there for the long haul.......we started the war,we must fix it!!We should leave when the Iraqi people are able to have trust in each other,and that ain'y going to happen.........past history has taught us that,as soon as the Coalition pull out of Iraq,within 2 years I predict a civil war,with the Kurds declaring autonomy and Independance,which will see the Turks start fighting on the Northern front,and once again Iraq will plunge into civil unrest and war!

I hope I'm wrong but so far all the things I said at the outset of this war has been fairly accurate!!

[Skaman]

I'm really really curious as to what progress do you seem to think has gone on in Iraq,you also seem to forget that Iraq has many other coalition Troops there as well,it is not just the US Army mate! :bash:

Lets see,the attacks continues,Iraqi's and Coalition trrops are dying daily,and they are no nearer a democracy than whatt they were 6 months ago.......yes I'd guess that's progress!
Not all Iraqi's were brainwashed by Saddam,that is the West's perception that they'd like you to believe.........there is still mass unemployment,no judicial system,inaqequate Law and Order.

I have mates in Baghdad right as we speak and they paint a very different picture........it is total chaos my friend........so again I guess you can call that progress!!.

For sure the Infrastructure is being rebuilt ,but not the hearts of the Iraqi's,especially in the Sunni region,even in Basra there is an attitude of mistrust towards the Brits.

As to you saying they be leaders of their country "once we get the hell out of there ASAP",****e........they need to start leading now,as for getting out ASAP,that's a defeatists attitude,Iraq will not be rebuilt in a year,we need to be there for the long haul.......we started the war,we must fix it!!We should leave when the Iraqi people are able to have trust in each other,and that ain'y going to happen.........past history has taught us that,as soon as the Coalition pull out of Iraq,within 2 years I predict a civil war,with the Kurds declaring autonomy and Independance,which will see the Turks start fighting on the Northern front,and once again Iraq will plunge into civil unrest and war!

I hope I'm wrong but so far all the things I said at the outset of this war has been fairly accurate!!


Who is this comment in reference to?

[Trident-za]

Good post, Argyll.

Oh, and it was directed at wangchung

[Skaman]

Good post, Argyll.

Oh, and it was directed at wangchung


Ok, agreed.

[Nizark]

Damn, the Kurds are already pointing the finger at Turkish Intel

[usa320]

I think that there is probably a good chance it wasnt iraqis who carried out the bombing.

I think enough is enough with patrols and reconstruction and ****. We need to have a bigger show of force. Terrorists dont understand hearts and minds. They only understand force.

I think we need to have APC's and tanks patrolling, SF units on constant alert- large infantry patrols. Put some B-52's circling the sky, and A-10s buzzing low over the cities. Scare em ****less.

HOrrible bombing, but our turn to hit back will come.

[Argyll]

There are not enough ground forces to do this USA 320,there already is a Military presence in that region,I believe the Airborne lads are there?

No matter how many troops you have on the ground it's impossible to stop every single person and check them for explosives,just ask the Israeli boys how difficult it is to spot a suicide bomber,it's almost impossible,and one who is determined to carry out the attack is even more harder to locate.

The level of violence against the Iraqi's and Coalition post war was simply under estimated by the powers that be,it was not the Flowers and Garlands the Intelligence and the Establishment lead us to believe would happen........this is a mess right now,with no end to the violence in sight!

[Skaman]

There are not enough ground forces to do this USA 320,there already is a Military presence in that region,I believe the Airborne lads are there?

No matter how many troops you have on the ground it's impossible to stop every single person and check them for explosives,just ask the Israeli boys how difficult it is to spot a suicide bomber,it's almost impossible,and one who is determined to carry out the attack is even more harder to locate.

The level of violence against the Iraqi's and Coalition post war was simply under estimated by the powers that be,it was not the Flowers and Garlands the Intelligence and the Establishment lead us to believe would happen........this is a mess right now,with no end to the violence in sight!


Watch out 'Anti American', Have faith in the Bush!

[Fioraon]

Argyll, it wasn't even an attack on the Coalition. The problem isn't the Coalition; it is the diversity and stability of the region. There is not a Stalin like grip over the nation anymore so all parties are free to promote themselves, with this comes conflict. With conflict comes violence, and in most Middle Eastern states with violence comes death.

[Argyll]

I disagree with that assumtion Fioraon
Take alook at places where there were other Regimes that were removed,place like Chile,El Salvador and most of the South American countries,when the regimes fell the violence against the people ended,here in Iraq it is etnic groups against rthnic groups,nothing to do with the fall of the regime,these groups have historicaly hated each other,the Kurds have had it from the Turks too......also with what you said,under Saddam they did not dare carry out their inter ethnic feuds,otherwise he'd just round em up and slaughter the lot.......I fear that stablity and trust and harmony will not be an easy task,winning the war was easy,it's winning the peace that is costing more each day.......for some of these people lits not about freedom,it's about survival!

Now,someone else posted about the place being stable and that normality is returning to the Iraqi people........that is far from the truth,they are free from one regime,but occupied by another,in their eyes,A regime that cares not for their culture or beliefs,who knows nothing of their history,or their religion.

Call me whatever I'm not Anti American,but there are some people who need to stop looking at Iraq through rose coloured glasses,the 1st hand reports I get daily from my mates potray the place as Lawless,where people still live in fear,where there is still a deep mistrust over the Authorities and even more so against the occupying Forces!

[Skaman]

I disagree with that assumtion Fioraon
Take alook at places where there were other Regimes that were removed,place like Chile,El Salvador and most of the South American countries,when the regimes fell the violence against the people ended,here in Iraq it is etnic groups against rthnic groups,nothing to do with the fall of the regime,these groups have historicaly hated each other,the Kurds have had it from the Turks too......also with what you said,under Saddam they did not dare carry out their inter ethnic feuds,otherwise he'd just round em up and slaughter the lot.......I fear that stablity and trust and harmony will not be an easy task,winning the war was easy,it's winning the peace that is costing more each day.......for some of these people lits not about freedom,it's about survival!

Now,someone else posted about the place being stable and that normality is returning to the Iraqi people........that is far from the truth,they are free from one regime,but occupied by another,in their eyes,A regime that cares not for their culture or beliefs,who knows nothing of their history,or their religion.

Call me whatever I'm not Anti American,but there are some people who need to stop looking at Iraq through rose coloured glasses,the 1st hand reports I get daily from my mates potray the place as Lawless,where people still live in fear,where there is still a deep mistrust over the Authorities and even more so against the occupying Forces!


Very vaild points to take into consideration. If only American "intelligence' could have interpeted these variables in hindsight after the gulf war prior to sanctioning a new Iraqi war. Good stuff as always Argyll.

[fokket]

Argyll, shoome an e-mail to fokket at hotmail.com
got something to talk about that I would rather not post here

[the_spec]

I think enough is enough with patrols and reconstruction and ****. We need to have a bigger show of force. Terrorists dont understand hearts and minds. They only understand force.

I think we need to have APC's and tanks patrolling, SF units on constant alert- large infantry patrols. Put some B-52's circling the sky, and A-10s buzzing low over the cities. Scare em ****less.
Great Idea. You know who will be scared ****less? The population, innocent civilians, regular ahmed who's trying to make a living to feed his small children. Resistance doesn't give a **** if you buzz low over the cities. With all this "show of force", you might catch a resistance fighter here and there, but with every night raid, with every accidental killing of an iraqi civilian, general hatred among the population grows. It's like you have a tumor and try to cut it out by yourself with a combatknife.

[SEALInTheMaking]

This occupation is never really going to be under control because we're not allowed to be Nazis. (I dont support any of the things I'm stating here, Im just saying this is the only way an occupation really works) The Nazis had the right idea when it came to occupation. If one of their soldiers were killed, then they took twenty civilians from the nearby area and mowed them down in the streets. Well, it didnt take to long for civilians to start turning in the resistance fighters. But we cant do that in Iraq. If we did, we'd loose all intl. support in less then an hour. Once again, im not saying that I like or support the idea, but it's the only way to really run an occupation without losing mass numbers of soldiers.

[Skaman]

This occupation is never really going to be under control because we're not allowed to be Nazis. (I dont support any of the things I'm stating here, Im just saying this is the only way an occupation really works) The Nazis had the right idea when it came to occupation. If one of their soldiers were killed, then they took twenty civilians from the nearby area and mowed them down in the streets. Well, it didnt take to long for civilians to start turning in the resistance fighters. But we cant do that in Iraq. If we did, we'd loose all intl. support in less then an hour. Once again, im not saying that I like or support the idea, but it's the only way to really run an occupation without losing mass numbers of soldiers.


Its not supposed to be an occupation. Its supposed to be a 'liberation' so to speak

[One?]

I think that there is probably a good chance it wasnt iraqis who carried out the bombing.

I think enough is enough with patrols and reconstruction and ****. We need to have a bigger show of force. Terrorists dont understand hearts and minds. They only understand force.

I think we need to have APC's and tanks patrolling, SF units on constant alert- large infantry patrols. Put some B-52's circling the sky, and A-10s buzzing low over the cities. Scare em ****less.

HOrrible bombing, but our turn to hit back will come.

1) you dont own that country
2) showing that much force will make the people hate you even more and will help the insurgents. The US went there to free the people from saddam's army. They don't want to see tanks and bombers 24/7 reminding them that they are under occupation.

This could be a payback from ansar-al-islam. They've been fighting for a long time and the kurds helped killing them all.

[SEALInTheMaking]

Well unfortunately, we dont get to liberate Iraq without occupying it for awhile.