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J-10
10-16-2005, 01:18 PM
By Gretchen Ruethling The New York Times
SUNDAY, OCTOBER 16, 2005

CHICAGO The future of foreign language study in the United States might be glimpsed here at Louisa May Alcott Elementary School, in a classroom where lanterns with cherry blossoms and pandas dangle overhead, and a paper dragon, an American flag and a Chinese flag hang from the wall.

One recent morning, a class of third-graders bowed to one another and introduced themselves in Chinese, and a class of fourth-graders practiced writing numbers in Chinese characters on marker boards.

Chinese classes began at Alcott in February, but more students are already choosing it over Spanish.

"Chinese is our new baby," said David Domovic, the principal at Alcott, on the North Side, one of 20 public schools in the city offering instruction in Mandarin Chinese. "Everybody just wants in."

With encouragement from the Chinese and American governments, schools across the United States are expanding their foreign language offerings to include the world's most spoken tongue, not to mention one of its most difficult to learn.

Last month, the Defense Department gave a $700,000 grant to public schools in Portland, Oregon, to double the number of students studying Chinese in an immersion program.

In May, Senator Joseph Lieberman, Democrat of Connecticut, and Senator Lamar Alexander, Republican of Tennessee, introduced a bill to spend $1.3 billion over five years on Chinese language programs in schools and on cultural exchanges to improve ties between the United States and China. The bill has been referred to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

After 2,400 schools expressed interest, Advanced Placement Chinese classes will be offered in high schools around the country starting next year.

Beijing is paying for half the $1.35 million to develop the classes, including Chinese teachers' scholarships and developing curriculums and examinations, said Trevor Packer, executive director of the Advanced Placement Program at the College Board.

"Many Americans are beginning to realize the importance of speaking Chinese," said Zhu Hongqing, consul at the Chinese Education Consulate in Chicago. "We need to provide as much powerful support as we can."

The number of Chinese language programs around the country, from elementary school through adult programs, has tripled in 10 years, according to Scott McGinnis, an academic adviser at the Defense Language Institute in Washington.

"Chinese is strategic in a way that a lot of other languages aren't," because of China's growth as an economic and military force, McGinnis said. "Whatever tensions lie between us, there is a historical longstanding mutual fascination with each other.

"Planning to be ready to engage with them, rather than only thinking of them in terms of a challenge or a competitor, is the smart thing to do," he said.

Up to 50,000 students are studying Chinese in elementary and secondary schools in the United States, experts estimate. Many are in cities like New York and San Francisco that have large numbers of Chinese-American students, and many take lessons after school or on weekends.

The Chicago program stands out because it is entirely in public schools during the regular school day and primarily serves students who are not of Chinese descent.

Mayor Richard Daley, a vocal supporter of the program, said proficiency in Chinese would be critical in understanding the competition.

"I think there will be two languages in this world," Daley said. "There will be Chinese and English."

From an all-black elementary school on the West Side to a nearly all-Hispanic elementary school on the South Side to more diverse schools throughout the city, about 3,000 students from kindergarten through high school are learning Chinese.

The Chinese Education Ministry has called the program a model for teaching students who are not of Chinese descent. The ministry donated 3,000 textbooks to the school system last year.

The program has expanded from 3 schools in 1999 to 20 this year and is scheduled to add an additional 5 by the end of the school year.

Sevtap Guldur, 31, said she and her daughter Sahire, a fourth-grader at Alcott, looked over the unfamiliar Chinese characters before deciding whether to take the class.

"If you're ready to learn that, go for it," Guldur said she told her daughter.

Sahire, who is fluent in Turkish, said it was her favorite class.

At Alcott, 160 students from kindergarten to fifth grade are studying Spanish, compared with 242 taking Chinese, although not without occasional frustration.

"Do we have to do it in Chinese?" a third-grader asked during a recent exercise, perhaps missing the point of the class.

Raul Freire, 9, a fourth-grader fluent in Spanish, said he taught words to his mother so she can better communicate with Chinese-speaking customers at the bank where she works.

"Mostly everybody in the school wants to take Chinese," Raul said. "I think about being a traveler when I grow up, so I have to learn as many languages as I can."

Adriana Freire, 33, Raul's mother, who is from Ecuador, said the skills would help her son be a better competitor in the job market. "I never thought that he was going to be able to do something like that," Freire said.

Chicago has a waiting list of schools that want to offer Chinese.

A major obstacle is a lack of teachers certified by a college in the United States, a requirement of the No Child Left Behind law.

The shortage of teachers is common throughout the United States, said Michael Levine, executive director of education at the Asia Society in New York.

Six states have signed or plan to sign agreements with the Chinese government to import teachers from China and send teachers from the United States to China for training, said Levine.

"Eventually," he said, "we're going to have to home-grow our own."

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/16/news/chinese.php

2Sheds_Jackson
10-16-2005, 01:32 PM
Last month, the Defense Department gave a $700,000 grant to public schools in Portland, Oregon, to double the number of students studying Chinese in an immersion program.

In May, Senator Joseph Lieberman, Democrat of Connecticut, and Senator Lamar Alexander, Republican of Tennessee, introduced a bill to spend $1.3 billion over five years on Chinese language programs in schools and on cultural exchanges to improve ties between the United States and China. The bill has been referred to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.


Heh heh - yes, we all know the DoD is all about fostering cultural ties. ;-)

gaijinsamurai
10-16-2005, 02:43 PM
In 1941 Japanese linguists and those familiar with that culture suddenly became very valuable. Sounds like there are some people in the DoD who are thinking about the future.
Of course, we all hope the US and China never do get into a conflict.

jtv3062
10-16-2005, 04:37 PM
i didnt read the post but back in the 80s they said we would need to learn japaneese because they would control everything.

Bugalugs
10-16-2005, 04:48 PM
good thing i didnt listen to them

gei wo tou gei wo tou gei wo tou!

Durandal
10-16-2005, 06:37 PM
I took Chinese in high school and my first year in college.

That was back in the late 80s.

Nothing but Mandarin at the time.

We knew back then that the largest spoken language, outside English, was Chinese and that anyone that had a clue knew they were going to be the next big market...regardless of world power status.

Kilgor
10-16-2005, 07:51 PM
its a bloody hard language to learn lah.

RFSU
10-16-2005, 08:17 PM
Back in my day it was all about Latin! comes in handy all the time too :(

Durandal
10-16-2005, 09:14 PM
its a bloody hard language to learn lah.

Actually, the spoken language is quite simple to learn. Far easier than a Western language so long as you get your tones correct...nothing like worse than confusing "ma" with the wrong tone...horse, hemp, mother, or a question ending.

The written language though is a bitch and archaic.

Durandal
10-16-2005, 09:15 PM
Back in my day it was all about Latin! comes in handy all the time too :(

I took latin as well. It was required at my school grades 7 through 9. If you took a 4th year you avoided taking 2 years of another language...I elected Chinese for 3. :)

Omaha
10-16-2005, 09:49 PM
The DoD is just grooming future translators for the inevitable war with China in 20 years.
You watch.

I especially like this quote:

"Everybody just wants in."

They are 3rd and 4th graders...you color a bag of **** well enough they will "want" that as well.

a_very_ex_STAB
10-17-2005, 06:37 AM
Maybe their parents are training up them for lucrative jobs as collaborators when the Chinese call in America's debts and send the PLA over to collect :)

UkrainianAmerican
10-17-2005, 11:55 AM
I dont see the point. So many chinese are learning english anyways. According to my Uncle who often goes there on his business trips from Ukraine, almost everyone conducting any sort of business knows at leat enough english to make business deals.

J-10
10-17-2005, 12:12 PM
I dont see the point. So many chinese are learning english anyways. According to my Uncle who often goes there on his business trips from Ukraine, almost everyone conducting any sort of business knows at leat enough english to make business deals.

Yes. 100% Chinese pupils learn english.

I'm learning Japanese, read Japanese news(video) in internet every day.
http://www.asahi.com/special/space/TKY200510170077.html
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/2005/10/18/k20051017000181.html

UkrainianAmerican
10-17-2005, 03:09 PM
Yes. 100% Chinese pupils learn english.

I'm learning Japanese, read Japanese news(video) in internet every day.
http://www.asahi.com/special/space/TKY200510170077.html
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/2005/10/18/k20051017000181.html
So I suppose I am correct when I say that the only area where US citizens might benefit from being fluent in a particular Chinese dialect is perhaps intelligence-gathering/counter-intelligence. BUt in the business world its almost completely irrelevant.

Omaha
10-17-2005, 03:20 PM
If anyone wants to be successful in any major (or minor for that matter) needs to be well versed in English. Or at least have the assets available to do so.

It is a world language. And even more when it comes to commerce.

miguelhc
10-17-2005, 03:29 PM
Yes. 100% Chinese pupils learn english.

I'm learning Japanese, read Japanese news(video) in internet every day.

As if that were difficult to you, being Chinese!! The Japanese use the Chinese ideograms!

Ok, they added a couple of character sets (alphabets, so to speak) to cope with Western words and names and such, but it is still quite easy for a Chinese to read Japanese (but not to speak it).

Limeyfellow
10-17-2005, 03:46 PM
Latin and French here. Like French translators are ever needed. They surrender to quickly for them to be deployed.

UkrainianAmerican
10-17-2005, 04:44 PM
Honestly, and i am not being ethnocentric, for someone fluent in english one of the most useful languages could actually be russian. The reason for this is that fromer-USSR has perhaps the poorest english skills of any other civilized place in the world. For example an American who doesnt know any russian or other slavic languages might have a hard time making business deals anytwhere outside moscow, and MAYBE kiev. Being fluent, and the ability to read and write on a college level in English in RUssian, is practically a guarantee that I will be able to get around on a professional level in pretty much any country that thinks of itself as being civilized.