SPEC OPS gear

[ScoutSniper85]

Okay this what I need help with. I Know that Special Forces wear what ever they want in combat, but i would like to start a collection of SPEC OPS gear and i would like to start with the most common gear for each of these groups for present day operations, focusing on SPEC OPS troops from OP Enduring Freedom to OP Iraqi Freedom. I would like to know the name of body armor most commonly worn by the members, the most commonly used vest and holsters used by SF troops. The Groups are:

1. Marine Force Recon: Body Armor, Vest, Side Arm holsters any other gear?

2. Army Special Forces: Body Armor, Vest, Side Arm holsters any other gear?

3. Navy SEALs CQB: Body Armor, Vest, Side Arm holsters any other gear?

Any other information would be greatly appreciated :lol:

THANKS,
SCOUTSNIPER85
Scoutsniper85@hotmail.com

[FallenAngel]

damnit....who'd have thought that Adam would actually come in handy someday!?! :cantbeli:

[ScoutSniper85]

HUH? Adam?? im lost :cantbeli:

[Dominique]

Well most US SOF and USMC Force Recon units are wearing ahelmet called the MICH (Multi-use Integrated Communications Helmet). Everone is carrying the M-4 or M-4A1. Some Marines and Army troops are also unisg the Designated Marksman Rifle (DMR). It's basically a modified M-14.

Force Recon is using a set of gear called "Full Spectrum Battle Equipment" (FSBE). As far as their weapons go they were carrying MEU (SOC) .45's in Safariland holsters.

I'll dig around and see what else is in use by other US units (SF, Rangers, PJ/CCT, SOF TACP, etc.)

[captain caveman]

try http://www.specwargear.com/ for what you need ,there are names of the things youre after and theres also a sales and wanted part of the site

[GearGod]

Hahaha how the heck did I miss this? Hold on gentlemen once I get back from the easter service I'll type up my message :D I "cant hardly wait"

[Mal3]

try http://www.specwargear.com/ for what you need ,there are names of the things youre after and theres also a sales and wanted part of the site

Damn, chicks in uniform are sooo hot. Why can't we have like military photos of chicks ready to kick ass with cutting edge weaponry and in smashing uniforms? :lol:

[captain caveman]

try http://www.specwargear.com/ for what you need ,there are names of the things youre after and theres also a sales and wanted part of the site

Damn, chicks in uniform are sooo hot. Why can't we have like military photos of chicks ready to kick ass with cutting edge weaponry and in smashing uniforms? :lol:

i can find that type of site with chicks in uniforms but i think you know them all

[Mal3]

Hehe, not really. I'm meaning real photos. Not some cheap ****o ;)

[Light Fighter]

Heres a "real" photo for you

http://www.cybercomm.net/~nemesis/ukmp1.jpg

Gotta love those Brit MP's :lol:

[Mal3]

Am I being ungrateful if my attention is drawn to the fact that their L85s have iron sights instead of SUSATs? Guess the MP doesn't get the front line stuff... ;)

[stuntman]

you ungreatfull bastard! jk lol

[GearGod]

*****You know, asking for all this information is giving me an information overload.... So I will post awnswers to the questions you specifically asked such as armor and holsters etc. If you have any other "specific" questions, ask..

First and foremost, all special forces and eventually the entire military wer the MICH:

Helmet - MICH

http://special-warfare.net/data_base/303_protective/helm_02/mich_tc_2000_07.jpg

http://special-warfare.net/data_base/303_protective/helm_02/mich_tc_2000_10.jpg

More Info: http://www.sbccom.army.mil/products/cie/SPEAR_MICH.htm
More Photos: http://special-warfare.net/data_base/303_protective/cgf_tc_2000_01.html
Buy: http://www.lightfighter.com/item.html?PRID=1109960

As for holsters, the only government issue holster I can recall is the old Bianchi M12 Holster usually worn on old ALICE gear:

Buy: http://www.uscav.com/shop/uscitemdetail.asp?stk_code=WA2918

However, I think most SF purchase their own holsters.. Any of these will do: http://www.lightfighter.com/generic.jhtml?pid=76

MARINES FORCE RECON

Body Armor/Vest - Full Spectrum Battle Equipment(FSBE):

http://www.pointblankarmor.com/products/military/images/mil_products_large/fsbe.jpg

http://special-warfare.net/data_base/303_protective/fsbe_00/fsbe_04.jpg

More info: http://www.pointblankarmor.com/products/fsbe.asp
More photos: http://special-warfare.net/data_base/303_protective/fsbe_01.html
Buy with armor: http://www.lightfighter.com/generic215.html
Buy without armor: http://www.lightfighter.com/item.html?PRID=1322769

Army SF

A note about the SPEAR BALCS system, like http://www.sbccom.army.mil/products/cie/SPEAR_BALCS.htm says its a joint effort between army/navy/air force SF so branches from all SF units should be using the SPEAR BALCS system:

http://www.special-warfare.net/data_base/305_load_bearing/spear_elcs_00/spear_elcs_vest_01/spear_system_01.jpg

Armor: SPEAR Body Armor

http://www.special-warfare.net/data_base/305_load_bearing/spear_elcs_00/spear_balcs_01/spear_balcs_10.jpg

More photos: http://www.special-warfare.net/data_base/305_load_bearing/spear_elcs_06.html
More info: http://www.sbccom.army.mil/products/cie/SPEAR_BALCS.htm
Buy: YOU CANT! If you know how to get this vest let me know, if you want it for collection purposes, a creation of a REPLICA fake vest(perfect for airsoft) is possible.. It has been done with other vests such as the delta/interceptor/ranger armors: http://www.wargameclub.com/pcart/shopper.php?cat=Vests

Vest: SPEAR ELCS

Worn over the SPEAR Body Armor

http://www.special-warfare.net/data_base/305_load_bearing/spear_elcs_00/spear_elcs_vest_01/spear_elcs_12.jpg

Front panels can be removed and would look like this:

http://www.special-warfare.net/data_base/305_load_bearing/spear_elcs_00/spear_elcs_vest_01/spear_elcs_06.jpg

When over the armor without the front panels:

http://www.special-warfare.net/data_base/305_load_bearing/spear_elcs_00/spear_balcs_01/spear_balcs_02.jpg

Navy SEALs CQB?? Now once again the "wear wahtever they want" may pop up. My guess is that they may be using the SPEAR BALCS system. As for that "Navy SEALs CQB" look, I HAVE NO IDEA-- Check out this photo:

http://www4.aixgaming.com/opend/albums/US_Navy_SEALs/seals2.jpg

http://www4.aixgaming.com/opend/albums/US_Navy_SEALs/seals2.jpg

I see grey nomex flightsuits: http://www.uscav.com/shop/uscitemdetail.asp?stk_code=WA2942

I see black alta buckle knee pads: http://www.lightfighter.com/item.html?PRID=442150

I see a protec skydiving helmet

Well gotta go, any more questions---ask

[RealUltimatePower]

Well actually frontline royal marines were using the iron sights.

[GearGod]

BTW, you can purchase the SPEAR ELCS: https://secure1.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/product_detail.asp?CS=useg&RowID=3&All=Too bad 1)

Too bad its 1)$900 2)Isnt available in desert

I swear someone should make an exact replica to the point that you cant tell the difference, available in woodland/desert, and costs $100 or so

ScoutSniper85: Do you like airsoft?

[ScoutSniper85]

Yes I am interested in Airsoft :lol: Do you play? I have more questions coming so dont overload ;) Thanks for the info

[GearGod]

I have couple of guns: http://adambalhetchet.freeservers.com/images.htm going to get my hicap and camoflauge gear, boots, pads.. However, I need to get a bloody ride to an airsoftohio.com game otherwise im going to end up playing with a bunch of local unmilitary paintballers in the local woods

Whats your "airsoft" status? Are you with a team? I must say if you wanted to collect military gear and play airsoft its going to be difficult becuase of the "price" factor

[ScoutSniper85]

Currently I am not with a team I am most likely going to start playing with Sacairsoft members within the next month or two. I currently have a TM M16a2 but i am selling it for a Custom M4. I know it is going to be expensive but i willing to pay.

[GearGod]

Currently I am not with a team I am most likely going to start playing with Sacairsoft members within the next month or two
Sweet... Is it http://www.socal-airsoft.com/ Their videos are impressive:

http://airsoftextreme.com/videos/FOF_1_6_01_Meeting_Engagement.asx
http://airsoftextreme.com/videos/Nam_12_30_00_Socal.asx

Ever consider playing with the cimmerians.com theyre like the best

Them or the combatenterprises.com scenario games they hold every once in a while.. Definitely quality scenario games right there


I currently have a TM M16a2 but i am selling it for a Custom M4. I know it is going to be expensive but i willing to pay.

Heh yea thats a mistake right there M16A2, although some like it(read http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1780) M4 is definitely the best... How are you having it customized?

Where are the rest of the gear questions you wanted to ask me?

[ScoutSniper85]

I plan on getting the Devgrp. M4 at GunKulture.com with 400 Fps upgrade and metal body.

I found this vest that closely resembles FSBE Armor what do you think?

http://www.uncompany.com/images/g&p-tv-02-camo_big.jpg


My other gear questions are still in the works can i contact you when ever i have a gear question?

[Mal3]

Well actually frontline royal marines were using the iron sights.

I noticed a pic of a RMC using an iron sighted L85 once but shrugged it off as a one off or personal preference. WHY were RMCs using the iron sights. Granted a 4x scope is not the choice optic for all situations but...

[Scrim]

Im not positive on this one, but I believe the newest improved versions of the SA-80 do not come with the susat scope, and the Royal Marines were the first to get them. I dont just mean the L85A2, there has been more done to it since even it came out recently.I guess they are still working out the kinks, but like I said dont quote me on this :)

[Mal3]

OK! This is news to me. I'm an armcair arseh@le but still, iron sights are the most dependable and what what works most of the time. I was still surprised and shocked to see this RMC with an iron sighted L85 (damn fine troops!).

[Chops]

The guy you saw without the SUSAT would have been a member of the RM's supporting arms or their in-house attached arty. All 'infantry' Marines are equipped with the SUSAT. All SA80A2/L85A2 for combat units are equipped with the SUSAT.

rgds

Chops

[Bing]

lol this is now an airsoft topic! yay lol. I play airsoft too...unfortunetly i live in NJ...where they want to ban it...i dunno wut my friends n i r gonna do if that new bill passes...

I currently own a TM m4a1 that's "tricked out". systema metal body, CA reinforced mechbox, systema ftk with an m120 spring, i bought a TM ris unit for it, and i "cannibalized" the TM aimpoint scope for the mp5 ras n put it on the m4. Because of the RIS i have the CA an/peq 2 unit with the laser (lol i bought that before the ris unit, so for a while i had the laser mounted on the flat top receiver w/o the scope :) I plan on getting an sp m203 but as it is now, it's really heavy for an airsoft toy...i'm not even going to talk about the metal barrel for the 203....... oh yea and a sling :) can't forget that...

and i also have a SP M40 (a1, it's still wood so i'll remove the a1 :)) with 3-12X40mm scope...it's fun for plinking, i don't use it much and i've only gotten 3 "eliminations" with it so far...

and then an assortment of pistols...

If the new bill passes, i might have to sell this stuff or put it in a diff state LOL...man i hate NJ sometimes...

I do my own upgrades, i prefer that than letting someone else do it since i know v2 mechboxes so well. I still need to get more used to v3 mechboxes but since v2 is so common (like all the mp5's except the k/pdw and ar-15's lol) i learned with those too. I also know my way around the WA beretta PV's... If any of you airsofters need any help, just ask me and i'll see what i can do for you.

That reminds me (i hope this isn't against the terms and conditons of this forum, sorry in advance hood, if it is, and if it is i'll change it asap). I sell things on ebay and i plan to start auctions where i sell systema parts and labor. Basically i buy systema parts and then you send me your gun for me to upgrade and i charge a small fee for labor and send it back to you. Airsoft extreme does it where you have to mail them your gun and then they mail it back and whatever upgrades you buy, they do it for you. I figured i could do the same but charge less since it's really just to help airsofters, not get their money. What do you guys think of this idea? beleive me the job will be professional. my own M4a1 (customized by me) has been functioning perfectly w/o any problems and whenever i take it apart, it's only to change the grease and inspect to see if any dirt has gone in that i need to remove. I want to use ebay because of their protection policy and because it is a legal binding contract. And i'm also giving a guarantee on the upgrades so that if anything bad happens that is upgrade related, i will fix it free, including s/h to and from your location. Since that's part of the contract, you can hold me to it as well. I just want some feedback on this idea before i start.

[Mal3]

I play airsoft too...unfortunetly i live in NJ...where they want to ban it...i dunno wut my friends n i r gonna do if that new bill passes...

Damn man! It's bad enough not having the freedoms one should have, but losing them? That hurts.

[GearGod]

Bing: New law? Isnt airsoft banned in canada? Check out this video http://www.bcairsoft.com/videos/cbc.mpg

They play anyway regardless of the rules... They also get their guns across the borders by shipping the guns in different parts. How do you think you would "get in trouble" if you have airsoft guns?

About your business idea, how do you plan to get customers? Personally I find it hard to trust retailers.. But trust individual persons? I think it depends on the professionalism of your website and how professional you sound etc.

[ScoutSniper85]

Adam Check out my last post on page 1 whats your thoughts??

[GearGod]

I found this vest that closely resembles FSBE Armor what do you think?
Hmm looks good, a little off-color dont you think?

http://www.uncompany.com/images/g&p-tv-02-camo_big.jpg

http://www.special-warfare.net/data_base/303_protective/fsbe_00/fsbe_14.jpg

As as far as function Im sure pouches could be effectively attached to it


My other gear questions are still in the works can i contact you when ever i have a gear question?
Yea just contact me: http://adambalhetchet.freeservers.com check out the contact sector

[Bing]

actually the legal situation in Canada is, it's illegal to import them, but airsoft itself is not banned in Canada. The new bill that NJ legislators are proposing will have high fines and possibly jail time for posession of an airsoft toy, and even higher fines and jail time for selling them in the state. It's not yet a law, just a proposed bill that i hope will die out. Airsoft is banned in certain cities ie: Philadelphia and NY (i think) but I don't think it's banned in PA as a whole.

anyway as for the idea, i want to use ebay as the selling place which makes everything protected because the auction itself is a contract and the winning bidder basically signs his name to the contract and its conditions. I will have the conditions listed as part of the auction and one of my friends will be helping me with a website and maybe even a flash intro (not sure yet). I think it's a little unfair how professionalism and quality are often times equated with the appearance of the website. I have VERY limited html skills and if i were to make the site, it would probably look like a white background with a few links and paragraphs lol.

Some things i could do would be internal upgrades, metal body installations, kit installations etc. One of my friends wants the m733 and he wants to get it changed to look like the BHD sniper rifle and i already know what i need to get for it. Once he gives me the OK, i buy him the parts and install them for him (including internal upgrades and CA m16 metal body). My skills aren't limited to just the TM armalite guns, i can do mp5's as well and most of TM's non-mp5 HK guns (ie: g3). as for gbb's, I can do basically anything for a WA m9 PV, most of the 1911 versions that they have, and i know the KSC glocks very well. I can do almost all SP m40 upgrades (except for the hop up unit). Since a lot of airsofters like the M4 and the mp5 series, i figure i can just list auctions where I upgrade those and I could accept any special requests as well that i think i can do and post an auction with a buy it now that they could use.

[rangerone]

Bing: What exactly do you need to make the BHD sniper rifle? I want to convert mine as well, but not sure on parts, specifically the silencer. Can you help?

[stoli]

Is that replica Body Armor of actual weight - That crap sucks in real life; why would a person wear it for a game that is intended to be fun?? It is hard enough to get people to wear it when their life is on the line.

[Light Fighter]

Wow, Airsoft is banned in Philly, I didnt know that, I guess the suburbs dont count as one of the people that usually go out in the woods and shoot with is a member of the local SWAT Team.

[EliteWolf]

Mal3, ive emailed some politicians in NJ telling them not to ban the sport, i dont live in NJ or anything, far from it (kansas), but i gotta help my fellow airsofters.

scoutsniper, adam, ive already purchased that woodland camo FSBE replica made by G&P, from uncompany, but they are closed for easter, so it wont be shipped out until tuesday of this week, (go figure, a asian country celebrating a christian holiday, whats up with that!) anyways i should have the vest wednesday or thursday, ill post a review and pics here for you guys...

i asked about those vests on the airsoft zone forums awhile back, a guy told me the webbing was made of elastic strips, not nylon, but oh well they should still hold MOLLE/SPEAR pouches just fine, which ill be buying BHI STRIKE GEN 4 MOLLE pouches from lightfighter.com

anyways ill post a review for ya guys and some pics, so sit tight. woot

[ScoutSniper85]

EliteWolf looking forward to that reveiw and pics! :D I was also looking a buying the BHI STRIKE recon vest. I'm going to go look at one this weekend if i get a chance.

[GearGod]

Is there a reason you choose the BHI Strike Recon over the Government Issue Special Defenses' RACK:

http://www.specialtydefense.com/rack_full.jpg

http://www.lightfighter.com/item.html?PRID=1279843

[Ratamacue]

Adam, you of all people should know that the government-isue RACK is of terrible quality compared to BHI gear.

[EliteWolf]

the nice thing about the BHI STRIKE recon vest is it has padding inside and is comfortable (i think anyways) the when compared to a SDS or BHI RACK, the rack is the better choice because it has more space for pouches, hence it can carry more.

scout sniper, i dont think a STRIKE recon vest is very nessecary if you get the GP FSBE replica, but thats just my opinion...all my pouches will be mounted to my vest.

[GearGod]

I like the woodland/desert camoflauge on the GI RACK.

As for mounting pouches on your Interceptor/SPEAR/FSBE armor, and exellent alternative is Paracletes RAV, which is definitely on my list for future vests I will experiment with:

http://www.special-warfare.net/data_base/303_protective/rav_01/rav_37.jpg

More Photos: http://www.special-warfare.net/data_base/303_protective/paraclete_rav_01.html

Buy without Pouches: http://www.lightfighter.com/item.html?PRID=1356251

[Bootneck]

rofl

[Bing]

rangerone, here's the list of parts that i'm going to buy for him if he gives me the ok.

TM M733

CA m16a2 Metal body (closest thing, trademarks aren't exactly correct)

PDI short barrel piece (when i bought one for myself it came with both + and - 14mm threads that you could choose to install)

Angs 40x245 mm silencer ( i figured this out based on actually measuring the screen and using proportions to a 5.56 mm bullet lol :))
the numbers i got were closer to 40X240mm but since that was the closest one available...

scope mount for the carryhandle

TGS aimpoint replica scope

G&P replica surefire 6p flashlight (in the movie this was duct taped to the foregrip, this presents a problem with charging the battery because you will need to keep removing the tape and putting it back on again to charge the battery so you better have a high mah battery for this gun)

internals will probably be an ftk and a CA reinforced mechbox. up to him.

it's really not a hard gun to upgrade. The only thing stopping me from creating my own is the cost :oops: i spent all my money on the Tim chan m14 :lol:

[rangerone]

Bing: If you do that conversion to his gun, and you have a M14, you two could get some desert camo, the necessary gear and voila! You have yourself a pair of DELTA snipers!

Thanks for the info. :)

[JohnJohn]

oh god this is pathetic. Kiddies running around wearing knee pads, cheap camo and knockoff toy guns pretending to be something they are not.

You want the real stuff? Join the military!

Quit wasting your time playing games.

[Royal]

The guy you saw without the SUSAT would have been a member of the RM's supporting arms or their in-house attached arty. All 'infantry' Marines are equipped with the SUSAT. All SA80A2/L85A2 for combat units are equipped with the SUSAT.

rgds

Chops
Chops hate to correct you, but that's not entirely true...

Iron sights are carried by the rifle troops (usually in the gunners spare parts wallet). They generally used if a SUSAT is damaged. 29 (the arty) are also issued SUSAT. Iron sights are sometimes used by choice (though usually in jungle - where for obvious reasons optics are pretty useless). For CQB/OBUA they are somtimes preferred as you don't get the same 'tunnel vision'.

On balance the guy probabaly just broke his SUSAT (I havn't seen the pic in question).

[tankieboy]

I served with 2RTR for ten years and was issued iron sights. Is someone going to tell me I was not a combat troop?

[Mal3]

I served with 2RTR for ten years and was issued iron sights. Is someone going to tell me I was not a combat troop?

From your other post I'm guessing you were a tanker, right? Obviously that would have made something far bigger than the L85 your primary gun and the L85 a just in case gun? Of course these are something of wild guesses...

[Chops]

Sorry fellas- might have been my phrasing. My understanding is that infantry units including the RMs are issued with the SUSAT. I can certainly understand Royal's point about CQB/FIBUA- irons would be better in some circumstances. Tankieboy- no disrespect intended- I was talking about grunts though not armour.

Rgds

Chops

[Apogee]

oh god this is pathetic. Kiddies running around wearing knee pads, cheap camo and knockoff toy guns pretending to be something they are not.

You want the real stuff? Join the military!

Quit wasting your time playing games.

Amen John, amen.

[tankieboy]

Sorry all I just get a little pissed with "armchair experts".

[GearGod]

Kiddies running around wearing knee pads, cheap camo and knockoff toy guns pretending to be something they are not

Kiddies? Little kids? Your quite humorous. National Level events allow only 18+ participants. Secondly anyone who are under the age of 18 cannot legally purchase airsoft guns.

Pretending to be something theyre not? Tell that to the ex-military who plays airsoft. As for civilians who play, these are the people who already have established careers whos friends tell them hey lets do something fun on the weekend lets play airsoft--- As for me I may/may not join the Army depending on if I get rich/married or not. So if Im not rich/married by the time in a certain age I may join Army Infantry

I think you need more information about airsoft-- BTW, the best host of national-level airsoft events are http://www.combatenterprises.com not the mention the best team that I know http://www.cimmerians.com

Heres a quote from combatenterprises:


What is Airsoft?

Airsoft is a recreational game and collector's hobby.

Airsoft guns are highly detailed replicas of authentic firearms. They are exact in every detail to their real counterparts. They use electric, spring, or gas power to shoot 6mm bb's.

They have an effective range of up to 200' and most are fully automatic. The bb's they shoot weigh only .20 gram so they do not hurt nearly as much as paintball. The bb's leave no mark and calling yourself out is on the honor system. Airsoft is a game of honor.

These realistic looking guns are combined with authentic looking uniforms and scenarios to play live wargames.

Similiar to paintball, players compete in mock combat but with much more attention to theatrics and roleplaying. Airsoft players focus on the fantasy aspect of the game as opposed to the purely competive sport of paintball. Effectively, airsoft players like to 'play army' in a safe and friendly environment.

This exotic hobby is in no way 'militant' except for the looks of the guns and gear. Realistic looking guns and uniforms add to the gaming experience. Just as with video games or war movies, players enjoy the thrill of mock combat to challenging their teamwork and fieldcraft skills. In addition, playing airsoft is great way to excercise, enjoy the outdoors, and camaraderie with fellow players.

Did you say "Kiddies running around wearing knee pads, cheap camo and knockoff toy guns" You are very humorous indeed LOL :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: LOL :

http://www.special-warfare.net/data_base/105_in_action/sfg_01/sfg_05.jpg

http://special-warfare.net/data_base/105_in_action/sfg_01/sfg_02.jpg

http://special-warfare.net/data_base/105_in_action/sfg_01/sfg_29.jpg

http://special-warfare.net/data_base/105_in_action/sfg_01/sfg_04.jpg

http://www.specwargear.com/images/collector%2064-2.jpg

http://www.specwargear.com/images/collector%2064-3.jpg

http://www.specwargear.com/images/collector%2064-4.jpg

http://www.specwargear.com/images/collector101-1.jpg

More Photos: http://special-warfare.net/data_base/105_in_action/action_top.html

More Photos2: http://www.specwargear.com/collectorcorner.html

Dont get me wrong guy, I'll join Army(I worship the Army!) anyday over playing airsoft if it wasnt for the potential comfortable rich family life :lol:

[USAF G]

OK, I gotta chime in here because I made a pro-airsoft comment on another thread. Where I work, we have worked airsoft into our advanced defensive handgun training as a non-livefire option that is not as expensive (or as contravertial) as Simunition Fx, for force on force and senario training. Simunition has a real problem with non police using their products for training. With all that said, and with all of the "over 18" stuff aside, johnjohn is right. And don't tell me that being over 18 makes one grown up. Now, while I think that's fine, to go and play dress up and shoot the s--t out of eachother, where the problem arises is that, like any gamers, these guys take themselves way too seriously. "...get some desert camo, the necessary gear and voila! You have your self a pair of delta snipers!" No, you have two kids playing Delta sniper. Once again age doesn't make one a grownup. I think it's fine for you do do it, lets all just be honest about what you are doing. One last thing, the military, police, and civilians who use airsoft for training are not pretending to be someone who they are not. Airsoft just fits a nitch in the training envronment. They don't run around in DCUs yelling for Air Support and asking "HOOT" for his twenty.

[Mal3]

Rant all you like, but wouldn't mind playing a Delta sniper some weekends. Be a Delta sniper? Not the job for me, thanks.

How about when I play Rogue Spear? Shouldn't I just join the military and stop this stupid playing around?

Oh, Harpoon, I shouldn't play that, I'm pretending I'm some hotshot admiral? That's a no-no...

So, either you join the military or play Super Mario Bros. or football? No wait, we'll probably wear team jerseys when playing football and then we're probably pretending we're something we're not. Sheesh, you know what, I'll just go watch some TV. Will I be offending anyone then?

I sure hope Ultimate Force is on, though...

[Apogee]

I agree with USFA G, its def. just a game for the vast majority of airsoft players. I'm not saying that it doesn't look like fun or that I wouldn't want to play. What I'm saying is that you need to realize that you are not the real deal. It really pisses me off to see guys with an SF patch on who are just some bull**** weekend warrior. Maybe you have no idea the honor and presige and history that goes along with that patch. Then you have guys wearing American flags like they are actually American soldiers. There is a big difference between enjoying airsoft and actually joining the military. I'm not trying to say that I'm some BTDT, b/c I'm not. Just hearing things like "If i don't get rich and famous, then maybe I'll join up" pisses me off.

--SCUBA

[Bootneck]

As hard as it may be it's best to just ignore Adam. It's been proven time and time again that engaging him will just draw him out and prolong the posting. Even airsoft 'posers' are irritated by the guy. The sad fact is that he's not 'just' an airsofter, but actually just an armchair airsofter. Watching him pontificate about high speed gear that he's only seen on the internet is incredibly irritating.

This site is not an airsoft site and I don't want to see it turn into one. There are many other forums for that.

Perhaps a little profanity will drive him away...

[USAF G]

Exactly USMA_SCUBA. It does look like fun, and I might even enjoy playing it. Who wouldn't want to put on all of the cool kit and pretend? However, it is a bit much when they start putting on the official patches and spout off about what gear works or what SOF does. I like to play video games too, although I don't believe I'm in SF or SOF when I finish playing and I don't advertise myself as such.

[Trigger]

"If i don't get rich and famous, then maybe I'll join up" pisses me off.
Amen. It's like he's in the middle of a Monty Python skit...and now for something completely different...If I don't win the lottery, then maybe I'll defect to Mexico. :roll:

[Bing]

Actually I'm an airsofter with prospects of joining USMA (if i can get my nominations). When i play airsoft i use plain BDU's, no patches, no flags, nothing. And when I bought a BDU with an Army patch, I immediately took it off because I knew I wasn't in the Army, nor did i have the honor (yet) of claiming so. There's a reason why people play airsoft. It's because they respect what the real personell do. It's kind of like a little brother emulating his older brother because of respect. What irritates me is that sometimes people don't see that and just openly criticize airsofters. I think its fair to criticize civilian airsofters without prior military experiance if they do claim such things, but if you're going to criticize all airsofters (you know Col. McKnight plays airsoft now in his retirement) then i think you are mistaken. If you had real military training, you of all people would know the difficulty of it, take pride in that and please don't put others down because they can't (or haven't yet) "hack"(ed) it.

[EliteWolf]

johnjohn, i bet your not even in the military, dont talk **** if you dont have room to talk. :fork:

[ScoutSniper85]

Lets Get back on topic about SPEC OPS gear ;)

[stuntman]

I wanted to comment on more airsoft stuff! (Hate is ozzing I know!) I just purchased the new g36c on the left , and its plastic similiar to the real one! I was curious if the pics from previous post are airsoft made of metal or plastic? And if airsoft big players use that? thx!

[GearGod]

"What I'm saying is that you need to realize that you are not the real deal"

I know that. And im sure that most airsofters have the intelligence to figure out that hey theyre not in the US Army. Its called Military Simulations for a reason. People Simulate. Only the people with mental disorders think they are the "real deal" when they play airsoft. So far, Ive not come across 1 person who thinks of himself as a real soldier--- How did you figure that one out?

"It really pisses me off to see guys with an SF patch on who are just some bull**** weekend warrior"

These are the minority of airsoft players who are unknowledgable-- The only knowledgeable airsoft players who wear such insignia are ex-military

"Then you have guys wearing American flags like they are actually American soldiers"

I talked with a bunch of military personell who play airsoft and said that its perfectly fine to wear an american flag---Besides, the US flag is EVERYWHERE

"Just hearing things like "If i don't get rich and famous, then maybe I'll join up" pisses me off"

Why? Id rather live a safe comfortable rich family life playing airsoft with my ultra realistisc military simulations airsoft team-- Call it the "american dream" if you will--But I know achieving such goals are extremely difficult I'll probably get angry and impatient and just join the armys 75th/101st and have the time of my life!

"but actually just an armchair airsofter"

Incorrect. I have several hundred dollars and am going to buy some military gear along with my airsoft M4 http://adambalhetchet.freeservers.com/images.htm to play at an airsoftohio.com game

"Perhaps a little profanity will drive him away"

Perhaps a little profanity may get your message deleted by the administrators :lol:

"and spout off about what gear works"

If I spout of about what gear works... Its from 1)Common Sense... Doenst take a genius to figure out that hey Safarilands SPEAR ELCS Vest beats the GI LC-2 Suspender setup any day 2)Knowledge from real soldiers who've used the gear and said hey this gear right here sucks and this other gear right here you should use it----- Its called a common knowledge.. If there were a bible written about what gear works and what gear doesnt work.. And everyone read that bible.. Everyone would be on that same page.. Its that common knowledge that gear enthusiasts share; And it really doesnt take one to be a real soldier to "access" or "tap" into this knowledge database

"Amen. It's like he's in the middle of a Monty Python skit...and now for something completely different...If I don't win the lottery, then maybe I'll defect to Mexico. "

Ever have goals? Ever have a backup plan? A plan B? US Armys my backup/planb

ScoutSniper85: Thou art right... Any more questions? :lol:

[GearGod]

"I was curious if the pics from previous post are airsoft made of metal or plastic?"

Can be combination of metal and plastic. Can also be all metal. What are you looking for? What information does thou seek? HAHAHA :lol:

"And if airsoft big players use that? thx!"

What do you mean?

[EliteWolf]

ignore johnjohn, id bet alot on the fact that he isnt a special ops member, if anything hes probly a cook or something, or not in the military at all. :lol:

adam, those pics you got from special warefare net database of the spec ops guys, those are airsofters? i know the bazooka guys and FAST guys are, but those first pics you posted i had never seen before.

[Bing]

TM's airsoft are usually mostly plastic with some metal components. Metal bodies are usually upgrade items for both durability and the weight realism. I was forced to buy a metal body because the tabs that the rear pin in my M4 broke off :( but i don't mind the extra weight. There are a few small misc. parts on my m4 that i could make plastic...but it's not really worth the money to upgrade ie: the stock ring or foregrip cap in the front.

[GearGod]

adam, those pics you got from special warefare net database of the spec ops guys, those are airsofters? i know the bazooka guys and FAST guys are, but those first pics you posted i had never seen before

Roger that. These guys are asians in china or japan or Idontknow... Some asian country.. Its hilarious how they wear US insignia and nobody even cares heh heres their site: http://www.special-warfare.net/ But if your talking a UNITED STATES airsoft team which I admire It would have to be the following:

1. Cimmerians.com also produced a number of videos available at combatenterprises.com
2. Green Mountain Rangers http://gmrangers.com/ click on all thier menu links and check out their wallpapers-- They have the "SF Recon" look

[Mal3]

I'm wondering, if airsofters get these kind of greetings here, what do folks think about military re-enactors?

[EliteWolf]

you guys will be delighted to know i got my vest today and so heres the review i promised woot woot woot



Well, after weeks of debate on a spears compatible vest, i decided to go with something i had not even thought about getting, the G&P Modular Vest from UNCompany.Com. She arrived today while i was at school, after only three days from hong kong to here in the damn good USA. i was very excited to find out how well made it was. It went way beyond my expectations.

http://www.redtempest.com/~wolf/pics/fsbe/IM000241.jpghttp://www.redtempest.com/~wolf/pics/fsbe/IM000242.jpg

Wow, it looks awsome!!! the camo pattern is right on key with current US army woodland pattern. It looks so real, just like a real FSBE. I just had to try it on. The first thing i noticed was how tough the material was. a tag was on the vest with a Coredura Nylon label saying it was made of cordura nylon. The material is heavy duty stuff, and im assuming its also water proof.
Well, it could have fit me a little better, it was a tad big for my slender frame, but the averagely built person will have no problems with it. I think it may be too small for some of you really big guys though. The padding inside is pretty thick, and is removeable. The problem with the vest, its gunna be sort of a pain on really hot summer days with its thick nylon material.
The webbing is also made of nylon, not elastic which was what i had heard on the ASZ forums when i asked about the black modular vest made by G&P. Its nice and tight, and heavy duty, it will hold just about any spear/molle compatable pouches you want. I know i cant wait to get mine.

http://www.redtempest.com/~wolf/pics/fsbe/IM000246.jpg

The adjustment and closeure is done by velcro, which is what i prefer more...the vest can be quickly removed. A nylon device down at the bottom of the vest connected to some metal wire inside the vest was a pain in the butt, i immediatly cut it off knowing i wouldnt ever use it.

http://www.redtempest.com/~wolf/pics/fsbe/IM000243.jpghttp://www.redtempest.com/~wolf/pics/fsbe/IM000244.jpghttp://www.redtempest.com/~wolf/pics/fsbe/IM000245.jpg

This is the best vest ive ever had, i think G&P really did well with this vest. i recomend this vest to all those fans of the FSBE/SPEAR/BAS/ELCS. at such a nice price, its a awsome replica and the only FSBE replica ive seen. its worth the money.[/img]

[ScoutSniper85]

I think i'm going to get the G&P Modular Vest to try it out its price is not bad. Where can i get some M4 mag pouches for it? should i get the Guarder mag pouches whats there qauility like?

Adam whats was your question?
Thou art right

[EliteWolf]

Guarder puts high quality in all their products, they are one of the most trusted airsoft gear manufacturers out there. however there M4 mag pouches are 30 bucks a peice. you could get a BHI STRIKE two pouch double mag pouch for 24 bucks at lightfighter.com

get this G&P vest, i garentee you will love it.

[ScoutSniper85]

What do you guys think of this replica SPEAR Vest?
http://airsoftshop.polyactive.net/combatgear/vest/ka/kavest6.jpg

I might buy this along with the G&P FSBE replica :D

[kaninen]

Id just wanted to share my point of view...

Im from Sweden and have played airsoft for one year... im 18years old, soon to be 19.

Airsoft is a realityescape, where pretend to be a real soldier from a movie or something. You are not playing to be the best spec ops there is, we are not practicing for a war, cause in war people die no matter what gear you wear or what country your from.
Almost everyone in sweden would NOT go into war no matter how much gear they buy or how tactical they now may be.
Although many of the airsofters have done military service, and a very few has enlisted for UN peacekeeping missions in bosnia and croatia and other wartorn countries.

What you have to realise is that we are playing a GAME! we go out, have 6-7 hours of plain fun, laughs and adrenalin.. In the military you do it for a living, everyday training and preparations for war (not everyday but you get the point)... You could be shot or killed, in airsoft when you get "hit" you go and eat some food and trashtalk until you can go out and play again.

The line between airsoft and the real deal is fine but rough. We do it for fun, for you its serious. You cannot during a live firefight , crack a joke so everyone starts laughing and forgets to shoot. We can, we can also trip and hurt ourselves, call of the game and get some "medical atention".

And now over to the bragging part :D
I have spent many thousands of swedish kronor on my gear, i have 6-color BDU with american flags and a "delta force body armor" (seen in the movie black hawk down). And on top of that i have a BHI spec ops H-gear harness and a BHI .223 chest pouch ontop of that + a camelback. In the belt i have 2bottles of water, a buttpack, a multi.purpose pouch, i have a leg holster for my KSC sigpro 2340 and a leg-puch for 4 m16 mag.
For weapon I have a CA m-4a1, CA RIS, TCD an/peq2, SF flashlight, leafsight, SP m203, TGS aimpoint.

swedish airsoft sites:
http://sat.airsoft.ac
http://www.teaminfinity.nu
http://www.airsoft.nu

my e-mail is deagleking@hotmail.com if you want to contact me for some reason

[ScoutSniper85]

What do you guys think about that replica SPEARS Vest?? Adam your opinion please?

[MK133]

For those who collect Navy SEAL/combat diver things there is a Secumar TSK 2/42 life vest for the LAR V rebreather on ebay.

http://ebay0.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_36daf7ff8acb3fcca498f625a324c4f0/i-1.JPG

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2171809933&category=36074

[EliteWolf]

buying that spear vest is a waste of money if you get a GP FBSE vest, its just not needed. plus, i wouldnt buy anything made by a company ive never even heard of. :cantbeli:

[fokket]

In the training pic, (seals)

they are wearing MBSS

[GearGod]

You're saying you wanna serve only if you can't make money and play an "ultra realistic sim". Like I said I may get impatient and angry and join the Army only because theres nothing else out there that would pay me to do something I'd love to do-- There are only so many "military" things one can do such as

1)Make military video games(http://www.uat.edu/multimedia/gamedesign/Default.asp?source=overture&bhcp=1 gotta have college money though)

2)Make military movies-- reqiures lots of cash

3)Make airsoft guns and military gear--- requires capital for biz startup

Now lets say Im at some regular job that I hate and am using the money to invest in "income producing assets" richdad.com i.e. real estate/stock market/business ventures etc. I would HATE to be at that job--- And the only fun "military" thing I'll do is 1)Play military PC games 2)Play airsoft every weekend

That may get me so p*sed I'll just join the Army to do fun infantry stuff 24/7


People serve because they want to, it's not a back up plan. Its different things to different people-- Some go for fun, others to pay for college, etc. lots of reasons and factors and combinations of factors not just 1


It's an obligation that certain citizens feel they have to support their nation. That being one of many factors


Soldiers don't do what they do because they couldn't "live a safe comfortable rich family life", Or I'll serve as long as I haven't got rich yet-- Like I hear a standard term is 2 years for infantry.. I may serve several terms until Im rich then Im out-- If I dont get rich then I guess Im in doing the most fun job in the world--


they do what they do because they want to. Really? I want to too

Facts are I dont even have a green card to join the Army. In the event I get one I'd like to try the "safe" civilian life for a bit knowing I can always escape to the heavenly Army to do my dream job-- You have no idea how much I worship the US Army.. All this video games/movies/airsoft BS is entirely based and dependant on the US Military

[Piccolo]

Let me say it is both incredibly sad and disgusting to see such a naive individual caught up in trying to become rich. I think you need to grow up. One other thing, Infantry soldiers aren't where they are because they have to pay for college. By the time a man gets to Airborne or Ranger school/SFAS, he has volentered 2 to 5 or more times (and gone through tons of red tape, at that). He wants to be there, and he is, not for some silly ass reason of yours, but because he likes being a Soldier.

Joing up because there is nothing else, is the wrong reason. They get enough human waste going through Bootcamp as it is, I doubt they really want or need someone of your disposition.

[EliteWolf]

i have to agree adam, wanting to become rich is rather childish im afraid, theres two reasons why im joining special forces, ive always wanted to be in special forces and i love everything about it, and two because i want to defend the freedom of the people of this nation, your children, my children, your family, my family, and everybody in between. i would be in special forces even if i didnt get paided to do so, because thats what ive always dreamed of doing. dedicated soldiers like me dont give a damn about the money, or the benifits, those are the kinds of people i want covering my back, the dedicated few who are there for the fight, not the money.

im sorry but you wont get far in the military with the attitude you have. not everybody is cut out for it ya know. :slap:

[Piccolo]

lol, you speak like you are already in, Wolf. Calm down there abit. Watch with the SF stuff too, while I'm not knocking you, it remains to be seen if you will even get past Basic, much less Airborne/SFAS.

[JohnJohn]

has nothing to do with this guy's attitude bud. That guy will never make it in the military, worthless I tell ya. Go and make your "wealth" elsewhere, our military doesn't want you :bash:

[GearGod]

Let me say it is both incredibly sad and disgusting to see such a naive individual caught up in trying to become rich. Why? Everyone has their own dreams and beliefs you may think its sad/disgusting but thats fine with me because perhaps you truly believe in your cause and dont believe in mine.. Its called conflict of belief you see your job as the best and others as inferior-- I see being a CEO or Soldier to be the best and others as inferior-- I mean hey if I was a soldier like you I'd say the same thing about how I dont need to be rich because Im a soldier etc. etc.
I think you need to grow up. Please dont make this a discussion about maturity
Infantry soldiers aren't where they are because they have to pay for college. By the time a man gets to Airborne or Ranger school/SFAS, he has volentered 2 to 5 or more times (and gone through tons of red tape, at that). They can also be a one-time volunteer for infantry and not go Airborne! and join something like the 3rd ID or something-- Im sure that everyone has their reasons
He wants to be there, and he is, not for some silly ass reason of yours, It may be silly to you but my goals mean something to me just like everyone else's goals mean something to them. Just because they are not in parallel with your goals doenst mean you should critisize my goals
but because he likes being a Soldier. I wouldnt like to be a soldier? Like I said it would be a dream job to me.. Its either Soldier or CEO--
Joing up because there is nothing else, is the wrong reason. Everyone has their own beliefs, and theres nothing wrong with that.

Example 1. I live the civilian life and get rich. Nothings wrong with that.. 10% of Americans are wealthy and provide lots of jobs to the American people.

Example 2. I join the Army and do part-time income producing asset stuff, get rich, and after doing my full term(s) of service I get out. Nothings wrong with that.

Example 3. I join the Army and dont get rich and end up staying there-- which would kick @$$! Whats wrong with that?

I dont think I even need to question if its wrong as if I would need your approval fact of the matter is the only thing thats important is whats important to me-- You get that "center of the universe" mentality-- You may say "gotta be part of something bigger than you are" that may happen if I 1)Join the military 2)Be a CEO


They get enough human waste going through Bootcamp as it is, I doubt they really want or need someone of your disposition. What kinda BS statement is that? You dont know how much I'd like to be a Soldier do you? You obviously dont understand my desire thats involved.


i have to agree adam, wanting to become rich is rather childish im afraid, Tell that to all the Business Owners in america whos responsible for thousands of jobs who keeps the economy up


theres two reasons why im joining special forces, ive always wanted to be in special forces and i love everything about it, Thats my reason too


and two because i want to defend the freedom of the people of this nation, your children, my children, your family, my family, and everybody in between. Regardless if one wants to defend the freedoms of US people or not theyre doing it anyway so its automatic
i would be in special forces even if i didnt get paided to do so Me too
because thats what ive always dreamed of doing. Me too

dedicated soldiers like me dont give a damn about the money, or the benifits, those are the kinds of people i want covering my back, the dedicated few who are there for the fight, not the money. Im there for the fun and excitement-- Now if you say they dont give a damn about the money ask them if they would like a cut on their pay-- First thing Id buy with the money is some new gear instead of the garbage that they issue
im sorry but you wont get far in the military with the attitude you have. not everybody is cut out for it ya know. What attitude? And why wouldnt I get far?

For those who said I wont get in the FACT OF THE MATTER is that you guys cant predict the future, arent mind readers, or mythological fortune tellers. A man once told me to "grow up" I believe that perhaps I should tell you guys to grow up from your mind reading-- No one knows(not even I) whether or not I will get in or not.. And even if I did, there would be nothing wrong with my performance as a soldier-- What does my "rich" plans have anything to do with PERFORMANCE?

[kaninen]

word adam!

I looking at the possibility to move to the US to do military service, im from sweden and the only thing we get to do is helping cats whos stuck in a tree or guard some ****ty outpost in the middle of nothing.

I was told that if you do a minimum of 3years military service you get an american passport.

(no im not a terrorist from sweden trying to take over US by stealing an m16 and go haywire)

[GearGod]

holy crapp dude is that true that if you do 3 years swedish service you get to join US army?? get me the details.. will you get the green card/citizenship and everything?

[Bootneck]

Yes Adam, Sweden is now giving away US citizenship for three years of military service. That's an even better deal than the free Larkks I got for buying an Ingartt at Ikea.

:cantbeli:

OK, how's this for helpful? You must have at least Resident Alien status before you can join the US military. I believe this is true for all branches. Better work on that Green Card.

[GearGod]

Humorous, yet not very helpful

[Beowulf]

What does my "rich" plans have anything to do with PERFORMANCE?

Listen, a person's plans relfect an attitude, and that attitude will reflect a certain personality, characteristics etc.
That is how your plans affect your performance. That is how things are viewed in the military. The guys that run around saying stupid sh*t like they are just here for college money, job experience or fun, aren't gonna be on my team watching my back. If they do end up on my team they're humpng the f'ing loudspeakers and my pogey bait for me.

No one trusts a person like that b/c you can't make money or have fun if you're DEAD. I only want a man on my left and right that will risk his life for me, and for the mission. If you're worried about your bank account you are not going to advance on an enemy position, I guarantee it.

I'm not saying those things can't be one reason in a series of reasons, that college money is coming in handy for me now.
But from my perspective it sounds like all you care about is getting rich or having the "time of my life" i.e. fun in the military. I guarantee you it's not about either one of those things. I can't make it any more straightforward then that. :slap:

[GearGod]

Take a survey of the entire US infantry/SF with the following questions:

Do you love what you do?

Do you consider it fun?

Are you having the "time of your life"?

or something to that extent.. Until you retreive the awnswers of that survey I have yet to trust your unproven opinion

Perhaps YOU dont think it would be fun-- I think it would kick@$$


Listen, a person's plans relfect an attitude, and that attitude will reflect a certain personality, characteristics etc. Not necessarily, its dependant on many factors-- Factors you may not be aware of-- You speak as if your a phsychologist or some sort of professional doctor of mental health-- Truth of the matter is one cannot possibly predict ones attitude-- One can merely guess but cannot say that 100% that guy will do x and y depending on his attitude--


That is how things are viewed in the military. Who made you the spokesman? Show me the facts


The guys that run around saying stupid sh*t like they are just here for college money, job experience or fun, aren't gonna be on my team watching my back. Those are legitimate reasons Id like to see the facts of why infantry/sf soldiers are joined up-- Show me the money


If they do end up on my team they're humpng the f'ing loudspeakers and my pogey bait for me. What? Say again? Please repeat your last? Redefine? Rephrase?


No one trusts a person like that b/c you can't make money or have fun if you're DEAD. One takes that into consideration when one signs the document with his name on there


I only want a man on my left and right that will risk his life for me, and for the mission. If you're worried about your bank account you are not going to advance on an enemy position, I guarantee it. Predictions, guesstimations, mind reading-- You are good at that--- One would get in trouble for insubordination and probably wouldnt be in the military too long with that attitude-- If I joined the Army as what I consider a "heavenly escape" I wouldn't want to escape that heaven only to go back to a hell-like civilian job to do something I hate-- Thats just stupid-- Now this is hilarious.. Watch what Im about to say:

You say that if I have money in my bank account I wouldnt engage the enemy correct? Tell that to the Fathers and Husbands who are out there risking their life-- Tell them they wouldnt engage the enemy because they have family--- I think not-- I dont know about you but family is more important than money and I think perhaps you should have a problem with them than with me

Did you say "No one trusts a person like that b/c you can't make money or have fun if you're DEAD" HAHAHAHAA--- Perhaps you shoudlnt trust fathers or husbands too?? You are quite humorous I must say :lol:


But from my perspective it sounds like all you care about is getting rich or having the "time of my life" i.e. fun in the military. What wrong with having fun as an Soldier? How can that not be fun? Sure the long road marches, PT, and days on the field without comfort may not be that fun-- But there are other aspects that are fun as well--- To me I think that it means different things to different people


I guarantee you it's not about either one of those things You can make all the guarantees in the world I'd like to see that survey you're going to have the soldiers take and I'd like to see what they think its about-- If 100% say its not about fun then I guess Im the only one who thinks that

Theres also the combination factor where one joins for several different reasons mine being because its what Id like to do-- Thats the key in any career-- When selecting a career one should select the career that one feels that theres that calling, that vocation, that desire to pursue that career-- To me its primarily 1)Army 2)Airsoft 3)Military PC Games 4)Military Movies

Now theres this "family" factor-- What if I get married? Will my wife be considered an Army wife fearing my death on some foreign country? NOT!!! A better familiy life would be the one where Im rich and not in the Army. So if I have a family Id like to be safe/rich while pursuing my 2, 3, 4 "military-alternatives" which I would also be fun-- playing airsoft every weekend, possibly making military pc games and military movies-- AND THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT!

[Beowulf]

You say that if I have money in my bank account I wouldnt engage the enemy correct?

-No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying if that's all you care about then there are problems. If you only care about ,money, or you only care about having fun, then you're not gonna make it. There has to be something more substantial than money or having a good time to risk your life or. That's what i'm saying. It seems like that's all u care about

I don't need to take a survey to figure out what people in the military think. You are actually trying to assert that fighting for money is similar to fighting for your family back home. Family is more important than money and that's why it's worth fighting for, money is not. That's what i was saying.

[GearGod]

I'm saying if that's all you care about then there are problems. Negative; most important thing are family/friends


There has to be something more substantial than money or having a good time to risk your life or. That's what i'm saying. It seems like that's all u care about To me it wouldnt sound like risking my life for the country etc. although Im actually really are-- To me its just a dangerous job-- The main thing about it to me is the fun-- And being in the Army to me would make me have more ups than downs-- With that of course automatically comes the patriotism to country and defending its freedoms etc.


I don't need to take a survey to figure out what people in the military think. Why? b/c I'm in, I'm army Special operations, Do they enjoy what they do? Do you enjoy what you do? You make it sound like everyone hates their jobs and does it unwillingly-- As if forced to do so


You are actually trying to assert that fighting for money is similar to fighting for your family back home. No you put those words in my mouth you told me why engage when theres that bank account Im worrying about --Im asking you why engage when theres your family back home to worry about? Id be more worried about my family than some material BS


Family is more important than money and that's why it's worth fighting for, money is not. That's what i was saying. Cool were on the same page


From my perspective you don't know sh*t about sh*t and are just an oxygen thief wannabe airsofter. What can I say Im just a 17 year old teenager in high school LOL :lol:


-Nothing against airsoft but some people take it too far and think they actually know something about what military life is like Hey as long as everyone has fun with fellow friends nothing else matters-- And I like taking it too far-- In fact I want to take it so far airsoft regulars think Im insane--- Why not just join the Army instead? To have a better family life!

[EliteWolf]

piccilo, dont hand me that bull****, im probly the most motivated to get in special forces out of those that try, ill get in, you can bet your life savings on it. :backhand: :slap: :backhand: :slap: :fork: :fork: :fork: :fork:

[GearGod]

Elitewolf: How do you prepare for it? When you do plan on going?

[Piccolo]

Wolf: Hey, whatever man. You can preach all you like, but untill you are in, you have no room to speak as such. Accidents do happen, many good men have discharged from breaking a leg/whatever on a parachute drop.. among numerous other hazzards. It's better to be a has-been, then a wannabe; which is what some of your comments look like.

And Adam, I'm not going to waste my time with you any longer. If you can not see the balatant hypocrisy from which you speak post to post, then you have a horrible case of seeing only what you want to. Funny how you perk right up with some warm questions once you see there is a Real Deal (Beowolf) here, too.

[kaninen]

What i meant was that if you do three years of militery service inte US you become a US citizen. This is just what Ive heard from a friend of mine who has been training with SF for 6months now.. so im not so sure about it beeing true

[GearGod]

LOL So perhaps it applies to SF?? Argh, complicating situation

[kaninen]

*sigh*

[a. enders]

Little cuss gets under your skin don't he?Like the actual living breathing human version of Jim Carey's most annoying sound in the world.

Utterly frightening.

[Trigger]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1435&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

It's old, but still available p-)

[GearGod]

LMAO I only posted one message on that topic.. They started talking about me and claymore then they got into a military branch rivalry flame war :lol:

[Trigger]

I only posted one message on that topic

....that was the goal :slap:

[a. enders]

rofl He don't get it.He's delusional,oblivious,dense,or all of the above.

[Nelson]

Just don't even bother with Adam. He was the same way over at airsoftzone.com. He always had these great dreams that someday when he was rich after starting his own business he would have this magnificent MIL-SIM team. Oh and this team would be fully outfitted in the best and newest military gear. And there would be a selection process for each member. He went on and on about it over and over again finally everyone got pissed at him stopped talking to him.

[GearGod]

Ive learned. Mike Jackson said it best when he said "I changed! I was changing!" :lol:

[Piccolo]

Excuse me if I don't take the word of a man who quotes Michael Jackson (cringe)....

:roll:

[HMMcrewchief]

As a current member of the armed forces and avid airsoft player I really do not see a problem! I find it flattering that a kid walks in wearing a USMC item. As long as they pay it respect!! If somebody including myself wants to live a fantasy of being some high speed soldier with some high speed gear FINE its their right! I have brought several members of the armed forces to play and most have enjoyed. IT IS A GAME! Hey maybe we should start a treaty that all future battles will be fought with airsoft equipment. This way we all go home. A dream, that will never come true.

[EliteWolf]

adam, im a fellow airsofter and im behind you for it, but do me one thing...dont ever quote micheal jackson again, or ill be forced to kill you.

micheal jackson doesnt deserve to be quoted, about all he deserves is a bullet to the back of the head, and a plastic bag to carry his body down river.

[OzMan]

Very nicely done, EliteWolf.

[GearGod]

LMAO I thought it would be humorous; You know plastic surgery wasnt invented for Michael Jackson-- LMAO!! :lol:

[Piccolo]

No.. I think it's fair to say he certainly kept the industry in buissness, however.

[sgtoutback]

Hello,
has anyone actually used SPEAR ELCS i.e. the beltkit/vest versions rather then the body armour with pouches.
What did they think of it?
How reliable was it?
Any better then Molle?
Any replies would be great.
Ex british army myself so only got experience of Arktis, PLCE etc.
Never used the molle type modular stuff. found a safariland medics pouch from spear the other day and was just wondering how good the system was. Have looked around and noticed that the pics of spear stuff seems mostly to be using the vest, i.e. due to ops environment.
Was wondering if it was also due to the nature of the beltkit robustness, Long winded question I know but just thought I would ask. Thanks for any repiles.

[Seraphim]

Hey congrats on reviving a 3year old thread.

[sgtoutback]

Thought it was better to ask, on a relevant thread then try and start up a new one. Is this against SOP? Just a question, am a new member.

[Jippo]

Thought it was better to ask, on a relevant thread then try and start up a new one. Is this against SOP? Just a question, am a new member.

You're correct. Otherwise you would just get use the effing search button comments. :)


-jippo

[Royal]

Thought it was better to ask, on a relevant thread then try and start up a new one. Is this against SOP? Just a question, am a new member.

No you did the right thing.

Anybody actually feel like sharing their experience?

[Sabre]

I know a couple blokes who used the SPEAR beltkit, unfortunately neither are around anymore so I can't ask them what they think. It certainly looks robust enough and fairly comfortable, and the ability to include radio/PRR pouches, 40mm pouches etc when you need to is an advantage. As for the finer bonuses and niggles of actually using the kit, I can't really comment. As for me I just use PLCE because it works and it's free!

[sgtoutback]

Thanks for the feedback. I used plce myself, also lots of arktis and other stuff, custom made from jayjays and hm supplies. found some pouches and wondered if the system was any good, used a ranger rack set and wasnt impressed by the quality, seemed rather flimsy, though some us friends of mine who have used it a lot seem to sing its praises. the spear set I have seen a lot attached to the BALCS and seemed like good set of pouches, but wondered why I rarely have seen the elcs being used.
Thanks

[Catch22]

Hello,
has anyone actually used SPEAR ELCS i.e. the beltkit/vest versions rather then the body armour with pouches.
What did they think of it?
How reliable was it?
Any better then Molle?
Any replies would be great.
Ex british army myself so only got experience of Arktis, PLCE etc.
Never used the molle type modular stuff. found a safariland medics pouch from spear the other day and was just wondering how good the system was. Have looked around and noticed that the pics of spear stuff seems mostly to be using the vest, i.e. due to ops environment.
Was wondering if it was also due to the nature of the beltkit robustness, Long winded question I know but just thought I would ask. Thanks for any repiles.


I've examined ELCS (full "Navy" set with additional MP5 and M14 pouches) quite extensively from geardo POV and here are some of my comments:

- ELCS beltkit is relatively comfortable in both configurations (with large side panels or simple suspenders, although the latter have badly placed attachment points to the belt, so the side panels setup is better, stability-wise), I'd say on par with PLCE+hippo (comfort) pad

- the robustness and quality is mediocre - there are certain surprising design flaws overcomplicating the design, numerous stress points which lack proper reinforcing etc (esp. drag handle).

- Pouches generally suck (lack of direct action pouches), medical and canteen pouches are only decent ones. Compared to modern MOLLE pouches from Eagle and other renowned brands whole pouch kit is rather passe.

- If you compare it to the standard MOLLE (I understand we're talking FLC2 here) it is more comfortable and versatile + plus it has flotation inserts, but comparing it to the better platform it has its drawbacks, both in quality and especially in design of the pouches.

Id stick to the PLCE If I were you.

Some photos:
Full set
http://images14.fotosik.pl/18/45599a202aebad06m.jpg (http://www.fotosik.pl/pokaz_obrazek/45599a202aebad06.html)
Beltkit (the black thingies are MOLLE/ALICE adapters attached):
http://images14.fotosik.pl/18/e92de9f51b9ee55fm.jpg (http://www.fotosik.pl/pokaz_obrazek/e92de9f51b9ee55f.html)
Side panels:
http://images12.fotosik.pl/13/d84d19ec4bf3b4f0m.jpg (http://www.fotosik.pl/pokaz_obrazek/d84d19ec4bf3b4f0.html)

[trey40]

i wear an special operations technologies "falcon rig" (MOLLE system) with bib attached over my SPEAR vest to great effect.
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/treycross/armorvest-spear20armor20desert-3.jpghttp://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/treycross/armorvest-spear20armor20desert-1.jpghttp://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/treycross/FCH_2.gifhttp://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/treycross/FCH_1.gifhttp://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/treycross/jollyroger.jpg

[sgtoutback]

Thanks very much for the reply, Nice summation. I will stick to my PLCE

[Yankee_Delta]

Two words:

CHECK WIKIPEDIA!

[Kilo Golf]

Two words:

CHECK WIKIPEDIA!

Dude, why did you bring this thread back?

[Andreas]

Dude, why did you bring this thread back?

X2

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