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ogukuo72
10-17-2005, 02:43 AM
We Won Again!

by Peter Schwartz

We won again! For a second time, the Iraqi people proved the Western mainstream media, Islamist radicals, self-righteous and nihilistic war protestors, disaffected Democrats, and neo-isolationists wrong: the referendum on the new constitution was successful. The Sunni minority participated in the polling and those among them voting "no" were swamped by the positive outcome.

Iraq will have its new constitution. The transforming intervention led by President George W. Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair will succeed. The global sweep of bourgeois revolution will continue, centering on Iraq's neighbors: monarchical Saudi Arabia, statist Syria, and theocratic Iran.



But how long will the Western media get the post-9/11 story wrong before they understand that they, the MSM, are a major part of the problem?



For many months, the MSM and their assorted political allies have indoctrinated the world in despicable lies:



· That the Wahhabi terror in Iraq, financed by and recruited among radical Saudis, was an "insurgency" or "resistance" caused by the actions of President Bush.



· That the Sunni Arabs in Iraq backed the alleged insurgency, were uniformly opposed to the constitutional process, and would prevent its completion.



· That anti-Shia blandishments by Saudi and other Sunni rulers would seal Sunni opposition to the new reality in Iraq.



In recent weeks heightened discussion in Washington, and in centers of Islamic debate I visited, such as Jakarta, focused on these claims. Muslims knew the Sunnis would prefer to take advantage of their new right to vote, and would favor a constitutional order in Iraq rather than continued violence. The meddling of the Saudis was considered gross and embarrassing. Muslim leaders I met were more interested in the future of the "Shia-con" phenomenon, i.e. of Iraqi Shias aligned with the U.S. neoconservatives.



What does it mean to be a "Shia-con?" Nothing very different from what it means to be an ordinary neoconservative: bedrock belief in governmental and personal accountability, entrepreneurship, popular sovereignty, and a place for religion in public life. Sunni intellectuals with whom I met pointed out that "neocon" has become a term of abuse in the Muslim world no less than in the West. But when exposed to the foundations of neoconservative thought, they expressed approval.



Nonetheless, moderate Sunni Muslims who tried to tell Western media and government the facts about the probable outcome in the Iraqi constitutional election were ignored. Instead, numerous MSM reporters applied the practice they have pursued since the Sandinista era in Nicaragua: they found radicals and marginal, anonymous grumblers, and presented their clichés as the voice of all Iraqi Sunnis.



Egregious, incorrigible examples of the Stalinist dialectic in the MSM continue even after the Iraq vote. The London Guardian, on Sunday, October 16, published a "news salad," tossed and retossed with vinegar and oil: a sequence of paragraphs seeking to perpetuate the Sunni issue as the sole topic of interest in Iraq. It tried to portray the Sunni vote for the constitution as contributing to further violence in Iraq. The argument, as convoluted as a tantric Yoga exercise, went like this: Sunnis voted, but against the constitution (actually, only some of them voted that way); although they voted in a process to accept the constitution they will not accept it; supposedly, all Sunnis are aggrieved about the share-out of petroleum revenues? blah, blah, blah. A "news salad" is the journalistic equivalent of "word salad:" according to a dictionary, "a jumble of extremely incoherent speech as sometimes observed in schizophrenia."



The pattern is no different from the nonsense reported about Nicaragua, which was supposed to vote for Sandinismo in 1990 but didn't; about Milosevic and his Serbian thugs, who purportedly would fight to the end if confronted by NATO forces, but also didn't; about Saudi women, who supposedly are happy not to drive cars, but aren't.



Regarding the Saudi/Wahhabi utopia, the kingdom south of Iraq still harbors hundreds of clerics inciting violence on the northern side of the border. The sermons of these clerics are posted on websites daily. Some are made public by Western-based Saudi dissidents. But they are mainly ignored by the MSM.



To put it more bluntly, how long will the devotion to disinformation of the MSM continue? Will MSM "journalists" ever be called to account for their consistent misrepresentations?



In dealing with the constitutional process in Iraq, and many other aspects of the present global crisis, Western reporters and commentators should moderate their tendencies towards complicated predictions, especially when they know so little about the religion and culture with which they are dealing. Islam and the Islamic world are much simpler than they think:



· Muslims have middle-class values. Even those who are refugees because of war and terror maintain such attitudes.



· Those who are frustrated in their middle-class ambitions, in such countries as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, may turn to radicalism.



· Most, however, will repudiate extremism in the interest of personal security, which happens to be a fundamental principle of Islamic governance.



These are the lessons of the Iraqi constitutional vote. Now let's have some reporters and commentators put aside their prejudices and start with such simple matters, and learn what they can about them. The result would be no news for Muslims, but might be Pulitzer Prize material in the West.



An interesting article. I've read Peter Schwartz's book "The Two Faces of Islam". He's a Muslim as well.

Hawaii_Light
10-17-2005, 04:46 AM
im happy that came together, people seem to think that liberals don't want to succed or something, well their wrong: Gods/Allahs speed, Iraq.

stephane from Paris
10-17-2005, 05:50 AM
The result will be show in 10 years not before, but at this time the future isn't great with a Shia part friendly with Iran, a kurdish part who wants his homeland (turkey will appreciate) and a sunni part who will be the poor of the bag!
The only thing that count is that everywhere in muslim community, the hate is stronger now!

The only good thing in this article is that the author discovered that Saudi arabia is a big , if not the big, problem! but no problem for them they are so friendly with Bush administration what they don't risk something specially when you knows that the Mecque is on this holly land!

ogukuo72
10-17-2005, 08:07 AM
The result will be show in 10 years not before, but at this time the future isn't great with a Shia part friendly with Iran, a kurdish part who wants his homeland (turkey will appreciate) and a sunni part who will be the poor of the bag!
The only thing that count is that everywhere in muslim community, the hate is stronger now!

The only good thing in this article is that the author discovered that Saudi arabia is a big , if not the big, problem! but no problem for them they are so friendly with Bush administration what they don't risk something specially when you knows that the Mecque is on this holly land!

And you base this critique upon ... what? Your indepth knowledge of Middle Eastern politics? Your personal experience living in Iraq? Or is it based on what you read in the European media?

I have heard him speak before. He strikes me as thoughtful and knowledgeable about Middle Eastern politics. I believe he has lived and worked in the Middle East for many years. He is also a Sunni Muslim, if you must know. Don't take my word for it. Google.

By the way, Iranian shias are mostly Persians, while Iraqi shias are mostly Arabs. Perhaps you can tell me whether Iranian Arabs, even if they are shias, are looked down upon by the Iranian Persians?

khukuri
10-17-2005, 05:29 PM
did the results come? I dontbelive so, theyre still counting. god I hope its a yes! thats all I need to hear now!

Skeletor
10-17-2005, 06:48 PM
And you base this critique upon ... what? Your indepth knowledge of Middle Eastern politics? Your personal experience living in Iraq? Or is it based on what you read in the European media?

I have heard him speak before. He strikes me as thoughtful and knowledgeable about Middle Eastern politics. I believe he has lived and worked in the Middle East for many years. He is also a Sunni Muslim, if you must know. Don't take my word for it. Google.

By the way, Iranian shias are mostly Persians, while Iraqi shias are mostly Arabs. Perhaps you can tell me whether Iranian Arabs, even if they are shias, are looked down upon by the Iranian Persians?

To be precise he is a Sufi, therefore his sphere of interests directly opposes that of Wahhabi Saudi Arabia. In his book Sword of Dishonor (I think thats it, Ive only read some of it) he rants on and on about how evil the Wahhabi are and likening them to a virus. But he comes across as an intelligent man. One thing he seems to have missed however is the importance of tribal allegiances for many of these Middle-Eastern nations and how this often hinders central Governmental authority.

khukuri
10-17-2005, 08:00 PM
To be precise he is a Sufi, therefore his sphere of interests directly opposes that of Wahhabi Saudi Arabia. In his book Sword of Dishonor (I think thats it, Ive only read some of it) he rants on and on about how evil the Wahhabi are and likening them to a virus. But he comes across as an intelligent man. One thing he seems to have missed however is the importance of tribal allegiances for many of these Middle-Eastern nations and how this often hinders central Governmental authority.

tribal alliance importance differs from country to country, area to area and time to time.

Before in Iraq, my parents generation tribes was less important than today. The role of the tribe came back when the state couldnt fit the security the tribe gave ya...

stephane from Paris
10-18-2005, 05:37 AM
And you base this critique upon ... what? Your indepth knowledge of Middle Eastern politics? Your personal experience living in Iraq? Or is it based on what you read in the European media?
By the way, Iranian shias are mostly Persians, while Iraqi shias are mostly Arabs. Perhaps you can tell me whether Iranian Arabs, even if they are shias, are looked down upon by the Iranian Persians?


Speaking about biaised media when you knows where you takes your sources from is a joke!
Sorry but there's a big difference between me and you! I had a look to internationnal press (US, UK and more important the english and french languages muslims press from all over the world)! I had the voice from each sides when you heard only the voice of your neocon and their powerfull medias (Murdock medias+ thousand of conservative medias and internets site).

You should have a look on muslims medias (and notice that generally the ones using our languages are the most proWest) to understand how they feel since OIF and how they see the future.
BTW i knows plenty of moderate muslims and their point of view about OIF, US, West, terrorism are the sign that despite Bush tells you: islamist terrorism (integrist feeling but now nationnalistic muslims feeling) will have more and more supporters!
Irak was a wrong thread in a war against terrorism, we just have to hope that it will be a democratic country but i feel it bad with the rise of cleric here.

Zoomie
10-18-2005, 08:22 AM
Blah blah...Neocons are brainwashing you...blah blah blah, I've never been to Iraq, so I've got no clue what's going on.

Ya, the Neocons are are behind all the news now.rofl Is this the next step up from those evil zionists who control it all in the first place? Also, have you personally spoken to any Iraqis on how they feel about the insurgency yet?

Skeletor
10-18-2005, 04:48 PM
tribal alliance importance differs from country to country, area to area and time to time.

Before in Iraq, my parents generation tribes was less important than today. The role of the tribe came back when the state couldnt fit the security the tribe gave ya...

Wow really? thats pretty interesting thanks. I would have thought that it would be the opposite with tribal link becoming less important.

stephane from Paris
10-19-2005, 06:36 AM
bla bla bla we are freedom fighters bla bla bla you knows nothing bla bla bla?

Do what i did (learn how 1 billion muslims thinks, and make your own opinion about "war against terror tactics uses by Bush", that said to be the real goal of OIF.
BTW they notice that the real thread Bin laden is still safe and that you , freedom fighters, still supports non democratics countries in muslims World...

Bla bla bla ... enought spoke