Conflicts: Images of the Falklands War

[Skaman]

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HMS Coventry shrouded in smoke after being bombed by Argentine aircraft, 25 May 1982

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Burial of British dead after the capture of Goose Green on 28 May 1982.



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Argentine prisoners under guard at Port Stanley, June 1982.

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Argentine officer taken prisoner after he was found observing British warship movements, 27 May 1982.



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The original Royal Marine garrison pose with the Falkland Island's flag outside Government House, Port Stanley, after the Argentine surrender, June 1982.

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Royal Navy Sea Harriers in flight.


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A dead Argentine soldier at his position in the hills above Port Stanley, June 1982.



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HMS Sheffield on fire after being struck by an Exocet missile, 4 May 1982.



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A British paratrooper on Sussex Mountain prior to the attack on Goose Green, May 1982

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A casualty evacuated from HMS SHEFFIELD is rushed to the sick bay of HMS HERMES, 4 May 1982.



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Royal Marines captured by Argentine Special Forces during the invasion of the Falkland Islands, 2 April 1982

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Paratroops waiting on board the ferry Norland before the assault on Goose Green, 21 May 1982.

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Damage control parties at work on HMS Glamorgan following an Exocet missile attack, 12 June 1982.

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Royal Marines marching toward Port Stanley, June 1982

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HMS Conqueror, the submarine which sank the Argentine cruiser General Belgrano, with the frigate HMS Penelope.



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Royal Navy Sea Harrier of No. 800 Naval Air Squadron taking off from HMS Hermes, 21 May 1982.

[Skaman]

*Should read: Falklands war

[Javehn]

Cool pictures !! I am actually researching a bit now about the last combat marine landings in the war history , interesting if the Royal Marines in Port-Stanley landed under fire .
And on other note , pretty impressive to fight and win 10,000 km from the house ,when the other side has the privilage of home court with limited battle group , and to perform landing on enemy shore .

[elguapo]

great photos

[elguapo]

anyway I was thinking if any mechanized units took part in either sides. I haven't seen any vehicle's photos besides those of a weird argentinean amphibious vehicle

[Skaman]

anyway I was thinking if any mechanized units took part in either sides. I haven't seen any vehicle's photos besides those of a weird argentinean amphibious vehicle

I could not find any. I imagine the conflict was dominated by sea and air units predominately. I will look for some though.

[mustamato]

One of the leading actors in the Falklands war:

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/bgr0404l.jpg

It was to my knowledge this war that was the real debut for missile
warfare, atleast in this scale and effectiveness. Often launched from
argentinian Super Etendards:

http://www.naval-history.net/FpAaCANAEtendard.jpg

[LJK]

Nice pics. woot

[Dave the Dawg]

anyway I was thinking if any mechanized units took part in either sides. I haven't seen any vehicle's photos besides those of a weird argentinean amphibious vehicle
You mean something like this:

http://www.fotovirtual.ejercito.mil.ar/fotovirtual/SISFOTO/72DPI/808.jpg

This is an AML-90 from the Escuadrón de Exploración de Caballería Blindada 1, or 1st Armored Cavalry Reconnaissance Squadron. From a short unit history, "A raíz de la guerra con el Reino Unido de Gran Bretaña se trasladó a las Islas Malvinas llegando a Puerto Argentino el 17 Abr 82. Permaneció en las Islas durante toda la campaña y participó en los duros combates de la defensa de Puerto Argentino, regresando al continente el 20 Jun 82." Translated loosely, that means that "as a result of the war with Great Britain it was transferred to the Malvinas, arriving in Puerto Argentino on April 17, 1982. It remained on the islands throughout the entire campaign and participated in the hard combat in defense of Puerto Argentino, returning to the continent on June 20, 1982.

Regards,
Dave

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Royal Marines captured by Argentine Special Forces during the invasion of the Falkland Islands, 2 April 1982

Whoa does anyone know how these guys got captured?

(I know its a stupid question but I'll ask it anyways...) What was the main combat rifle for the British? In some pictures it kinda looks like an Mp5

thanks

[mocking_loudly_died]

Royal Marines captured by Argentine Special Forces during the invasion of the Falkland Islands, 2 April 1982

Whoa does anyone know how these guys got captured?

(I know its a stupid question but I'll ask it anyways...) What was the main combat rifle for the British? In some pictures it kinda looks like an Mp5

thanks

The capture of the Royal Marines would have happened at the initial invasion of the Island.

The Brit rifle was the Belgian FN Fal otherwise known as the L1A1 SLR (what ever you wish to call it)

[mustamato]

Royal Marines captured by Argentine Special Forces during the invasion of the Falkland Islands, 2 April 1982

Whoa does anyone know how these guys got captured?

(I know its a stupid question but I'll ask it anyways...) What was the main combat rifle for the British? In some pictures it kinda looks like an Mp5

thanks

They were captured during the beginning of the war when the argentinians
made a landing with a superior force. The brits shot until their ammo ran
out and then they surrended.

As for the rifle it´s the british version of FN FAL. The brits obviously sent
their rifles to places like Sierra Leone once they got their new ones.

http://www.ciriello.com/site/pix/56/56276.jpg

[vitiaz]

>What was the main combat rifle for the British?

Both sides used the FN FAL as their main rifle. The British 'inch' version is known as the L1A1(also referred to as the SLR), the Argentinians licensed produced a metric version. Both fire 7.62x51 ammunition.

[mustamato]

>What was the main combat rifle for the British?

Both sides used the FN FAL as their main rifle. The British 'inch' version is known as the L1A1(also referred to as the SLR), the Argentinians licensed produced a metric version. Both fire 7.62x51 ammunition.

Quite ideal really, I´ve read reports of that the british soldiers that ran
out of ammo during a assault simply could take the killed argentian
soldiers magazines and continue the assault without the need for stopping
and getting more ammo from behind/refilling magazines. I guess it´s the
same in most countries where both sides has Kalashnikovs though.

[Skaman]

Can anyone clarify casualties in the conflict?

Was it not 700 Argentine and 260 British?

[Dave the Dawg]

The following Argentine Army units took part in the war:

IIIra Brigada de Infantería (General de Brigada Omar Parada)
- Comando de IIIra Brigada de Infantería
- Regimiento de Infantería 4
- Regimiento de Infantería 5, reinforced with 2 sections from the Compañía de Ingenieros de Combate 3
- Regimiento de Infantería 12, reinforced by Company C of the Regimiento de Infantería 25
- Grupo de Artillería 3, reinforced with 3 CITEFA 81 155 mm howitzers
- Compañía de Comunicaciones 3 (reduced)
- Compañía de Sanidad 3 (reduced)

IXna Brigada de Infantería (General de Brigada Américo Daher)
- Comando de IXna Brigada de Infantería
- Regimiento de Infantería 8
- Regimiento de Infantería 25 (less the company with RI 12 noted above)
- Batallón Logístico 9 (reduced)
- Compañía de Ingenieros 9
- 1 section from the Grupo de Artillería 9
- 1 signals group from the Compañía de Comunicaciones 9

Xma Brigada de Infantería (General de Brigada Oscar Luis Jofre)
- Comando de Xma Brigada de Infantería
- Regimiento de Infantería Mecanizada 3
- Regimiento de Infantería Mecanizada 6, reinforced with 1 company from Regimiento de Infantería 1
- Regimiento de Infantería Mecanizada 7
- Escuadrón de Exploración de Caballería Blindada 10 (without its organic combat vehicles, but reinforced with 2 sections from the Destacamento 181 de Exploración de Caballería Blindada)
- Compañía de Ingenieros Mecanizada 10
- Batallón Logístico 10 (reduced)
- Compañía de Comunicaciones 10

Other units:
- Centro de Operaciones Logístico
- Compañía de Comandos 601
- Compañía de Comandos 602
- Sección de Fuerzas Especiales de Gendarmería Nacional
- Grupo de Artillería Aerotransportada 4 (reduced)
- Grupo de Artillería de Defensa Aérea 601
- Battery B of the Grupo de Artillería de Defensa Aérea 101
- Batallón de Aviación de Combate 601 (reduced)
- Compañía de Policía Militar 181
- Compañía de Ingenieros de Combate 601
- Section of the Batallón de Inteligencia 601
- Section of the Batallón de Comunicaciones Comando 181
- Section of the Agrupación de Comunicaciones 601
- Centro de Comunicaciones Fijo
- Sección de Operaciones Electrónicas 602
- Hospital Militar Comodoro Rivadavia (functioning as a Joint Miltary Hospital)

The islands had been seized using mainly professional and special operations units, mainly from the Argentinean Marines (the Infantería de Marina), most of whom were rotated out and replaced by the three-brigade force listed above (most of whose troops were conscripts).

The initial seizure had been by the batallón de Infantería de Marina Nº 2 and the Agrupación de comandos anfibios, while a reinforced section of the batallón de Infantería de Marina Nº 1 had seized South Georgia. The following Marine units participated in the defense of the islands:

- Batallón de Infantería de Marina Nº 5 Escuela
- Batallón Antiaéreo
- 1 rifle company of the Batallón de Infantería de Marina Nº 3
- logistics elements
- 1 field artillery battery
- 1 amphibious engineer company
- 1 anti-aicraft MG section

Official casualty totals were:

Argentina:
KIA and MIA: 635
WIA: 1,068
Total: 1,703

UK:
KIA and MIA: 255
WIA: 777
Total: 1,032

[Dave the Dawg]

This is an AML-90 from the Escuadrón de Exploración de Caballería Blindada 1, or 1st Armored Cavalry Reconnaissance Squadron.

In case anyone is confused as to why the Escuadrón de Exploración de Caballería Blindada 1 isn't on the list above, the unit was renamed from the 10th to the 1st Squadron sometime after the war.

[Kaos]

>What was the main combat rifle for the British?

Both sides used the FN FAL as their main rifle. The British 'inch' version is known as the L1A1(also referred to as the SLR), the Argentinians licensed produced a metric version. Both fire 7.62x51 ammunition.

Quite ideal really, I´ve read reports of that the british soldiers that ran
out of ammo during a assault simply could take the killed argentian
soldiers magazines and continue the assault without the need for stopping
and getting more ammo from behind/refilling magazines. I guess it´s the
same in most countries where both sides has Kalashnikovs though.
The Self-Loading Rifle main difference with the FN-FAL was that the former couldn't fire on automatic, and I've read that British soldiers were not only interrested by the magazines from dead Argentines soldiers, but by their guns too.
;)

[Kaos]

anyway I was thinking if any mechanized units took part in either sides. I haven't seen any vehicle's photos besides those of a weird argentinean amphibious vehicle
On the British side, there were two troops from B squadron The Blues and Royals, ex-Royal horse guards and Royal dragoons, equipped with Scorpions and Scimitars light tank.

[hank]

I am sorry to say that I remember reading about the Falklands invasion in Newsweek when it happened. I was in grade school and I remember that I saw a trakced vehicle that resembled a USMC amphibious assault vehicle being used by somebody the day the Argentinians took over the island. I also remember that picture of the Argentinian escorting the Royal Marines who have their hands on their heads.

Does anybody else remember that picture of the amphibious assault vehicle? I imagine that it must have belonged to the Argentinians b/c I don't remember ever seeing the British using them. Just curious.

hank

[jamesp]

I saw a trakced vehicle that resembled a USMC amphibious assault vehicle being used by somebody the day the Argentinians took over the island.


http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Falklands/Argentineweapons.htm#LVTP



That's a pretty good site for anyone interested in researching the Falklands.

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Falklands/index.html

[Dave the Dawg]

I am sorry to say that I remember reading about the Falklands invasion in Newsweek when it happened. I was in grade school and I remember that I saw a trakced vehicle that resembled a USMC amphibious assault vehicle being used by somebody the day the Argentinians took over the island. I also remember that picture of the Argentinian escorting the Royal Marines who have their hands on their heads.

Does anybody else remember that picture of the amphibious assault vehicle? I imagine that it must have belonged to the Argentinians b/c I don't remember ever seeing the British using them. Just curious.

hank

LVTP-7s of the Infantería de Marina:
http://www.ara.mil.ar/La_Armada/MediosyCapacidades/Infanteria_de_Marina/imagenes/image16.gif

[anonymous individual]

Nice photos. woot

[PongoLogs]

Can anyone clarify casualties in the conflict?

Was it not 700 Argentine and 260 British?

255 British (252 British servicemen & 3 Falkland Islanders)
635 Argentine

[mack pl]

3 Falkland islanders :( Its very very bad :(

[2RHPZ]

These two pictures are from recently updated webpage, allegedly never posted before:


These were provided by Mark Price who served on HMS Intrepid. A local firm printed these from my photos, the negs were loaned 20 years ago and never returned.

http://www.falklandswar.org.uk/images/Price_193163_16.jpg
Intrepid took the surrender of East Falkland after it was over.

http://www.falklandswar.org.uk/images/Price_193163_32.jpg
Antelope with the hole in her sailing up San Carlos water.

[Durandal]

*Should read: Falklands war

You CAN edit the title you know. ;)

[LordHalbert]

I remember when the Falklands war was news. I was a teenager then - barely - I'm older than most here ;)

Seemed like a lot of people died over a scrappy little island. It seems hardly worth it to me.

[Mark Sman]

Side note, Inch and Metric magazines for the FAL are different.

In general the UK soldiers probably could use the Argentinian mags. But the Argentinians would have had a heck of time using UK mags.

Thats all variable depending on the exact way/who/where the FALs were made. But in general it applies.

Always liked the FAL family of rifles.

[b.scheller]

*Should read: Falklands war

click edit... ;)

[Vance]

Can anyone summarize or give me a link on why the Falklands War happened? What was its purpose?

[b.scheller]

google it (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&q=Falkland+War&btnG=Search)

[Vance]

I Was Too Lazy (http://www.iwastoolazy.net) ;)

[DeltaWhisky58]

War was technically never declared - it was effectively a police action against Argentine troops who were in the Falklands - i.e. British Sovereign Territory - unlawfully.

[Digital Marine]

The pics ain't working for me? :roll:

[king_nothing100]

Well they were posted in Feburary likely the host is dead or they've been removed.

[Bombtrack]

cant get the pics to work but i really want to see them

[Durandal]

This is one of the less photographed conflicts in my lifetime I believe.

I remember sending a letter to Alexander Haig telling him that I highly approved of supporting the British forces in retaking the island.

I think I was 6th grade then...

[Durandal]

Ok, I'll contribute some to this thread. I found some neat ones.

What I always found fascinating about the entire operation is the amount of effort it took to get the Vulcan bombers down there. The Black Buck raids, which involved a single bomber on various mission would fly the 3900 miles with a massive redundancy and tanker squadron, Each raid, including back-ups for both the bomber and the tankers took a total of 13 aircraft to get a single Vulcan over the islands for its mission.

7 missions were flown. 4 were bombing and 3 were anti-radar. All focused on the runways and radar installations.

http://www.naval-history.net/FpRAFWithersBlackBuck.JPG
Flt Lt W F M Withers RAF,
Vulcan pilot on return from the 1st May 1982 "Black Buck 1" bombing raid on Stanley

http://www.raf.mod.uk/falklands/images/bb1asipan.jpg
The airfield at the Accention Islands.

There are some really good photos of the naval landing and air attacks as well.

http://www.raf.mod.uk/falklands/images/daggerbedivere.jpg

http://www.raf.mod.uk/falklands/images/ddfearlessmirage.jpg
If you look to the right of the main radar mast you can see an Argentine Mirage behind the ship after its initial attack run.

A great resource site for the entire Falkland's campaign: http://www.raf.mod.uk/falklands/battles.html

They have it broken down by sections within the campaign. You click on the section and you get a click by click progress of that portion of the conflict followed by a text and pictorial description of the event.

[ronin2172]

This is one of the less photographed conflicts in my lifetime I believe.

I remember sending a letter to Alexander Haig telling him that I highly approved of supporting the British forces in retaking the island.

I think I was 6th grade then...
ooohhh....what a dork....

















just kidding! p-) Did he write back?

[Thucydides]

Little known fact:

Due to the Falklands War, the Harrier has the most air-to-air kills of any aircraft TYPE currently in use by US Forces.

[ronin2172]

Little known fact:

Due to the Falklands War, the Harrier has the most air-to-air kills of any aircraft TYPE currently in use by US Forces.
u sure about that? considering that the F 15 and F16 have a bunch of kills in Israeli service (mainly during the invasion of Lebanon, but Israeli F 15s got several kills on Mig 25s previous to that) add to that the kills they have in gulf war 1, and the pakistani's got some kills during the afghan conflict using f 16s.

I think u need to redo your math.

[fantassin]

quote:

you can see an Argentine Mirage


it could also be one of the 35 israeli made IAI Dagger A delivered in 1978, 11 of which were shot down during the war including 2 by air defence.

Argentina received 17 Mirage III E in 1979, 3 Mirage IIIBJ (sold by Israel), 2 Mirage IIIBE and 4 Mirage IIIDA.

[Phil642]

For those who canot see the pics you can find them on : http://www.iwm.org.uk/

[Fenna]

One of the Argentine squadron still carries markings for sinking HMS Invincible :cantbeli:

[zulu27]

Here are the pics of Argentinian aircraft destroyed by SAS and Harriers if someone's interested:

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[Uncle Sam]

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Some British Ships

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Argentinians

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British POW's

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British POW's

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[IMARA]

fenna, were did you see that pic? maybe you are right, but I find it really difficult ´cause all argentinians know invincible was not sunk. What we do know is that it was attacked, but not sunk. So I think that what you saw is a killmark of another ship

talking about reasons, the most important one was that president Videla was making a disaster and wanted people to stop paying atention to economical and social problems, so he decided to invade falklands and drive people´s atention to the war. (This ****ing idiot was a murderer)
But the sovereignity (like this?) was in diplomatic dispute at the moment of the war, and had been since 1833.

There were argentine mechanized units in the islands, but their vehicles were not transported (regimiento de infantería mecanizado 8, which uses M-113). The only armoured vehicles were panhard AML-90

[IMARA]

another one little thing. What Kaos says it's right. We have a model of FN FAL (made in Argentina) which english aprecciated a lot. It was the PARA (for paratroopers and special forces). Is now the standard rifle of the army.

[EsoognomEhT]

argh! cant get away from the Falklands, Im currently writing a dissertation on it :0

Argentina still believes to this day that they attack and damaged HMS Invincible;


The Argentine version said that the last Exocet missile was perfectly locked-on to the target (a big ship) by the Super Etendard pilot, who fired it and turned back to Río Grande without troubles. The four A-4C Skyhawks of 4th Group followed the trail of the missile and finally saw in the distance a big column of black smoke, possibly the place where the missile impacted. Two of them were shot down, but the survivors confirmed that they saw a carrier, and specifically the HMS Invincible with a thick black smoke column coming out of it. They attacked it, firing their cannons and dropping their bombs, without confirming any results. After avoiding all the SAMs fired against them, the Skyhawks met their tanker and returned home.

The British version of this incident exposed that the Exocet failed its mark, the HMS Invincible, due to it being downed by a 114 mm shell from the frigate HMS Avenger, or due to it being neutralized by decoys. Additionally, they asserted that the ship attacked by the A-4C Skyhawks was the HMS Avenger, which was deploying a curtain of white smoke to hide the carrier from any attacker. Many specialists said that the Argentine pilots misidentified the small flight deck of the anti-submarine helicopter with the flight deck of the carrier, and wrongly thought that the smoke of the curtain was cause by the Exocet hit.

But from the Argentine point of view, the problems with such versions are:

1) it is highly unlikely that a 114 mm shell could actually destroy a sea-skimming missile flying at 10 metres high at 1,000 km/h.

2) the decoys fully failed only five days before, when the MV Atlantic Conveyor was sunk, and why should they work that day?

3) the smoke seen by the Argentine Skyhawk pilots was not white, but black.

4) Even in a stress situation like being attacked with AAA and SAM fire, it is hard to mis-identify the big, lateral flight deck of a carrier with the small helicopter flight deck of a frigate.

5) Besides all that, HMS Invincible did not appear in Port Stanley until late July 1982, and when she returned to England in September 1982, it looked like a big stripe on the port side (the side attacked by the Exocet and the Skyhawks) recently painted.

^ Argies version of events

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Falklands/Exocet.html

[MrTangerineSpeedo]

Has the true account of this ever been settled?

[EsoognomEhT]

Not really, but try getting several hundred British Seamen (who would have seen the incident) to keep quiet about the Invincible being hit for over 20 years..... aint gonna happen

[Fenna]

Re the delayed return of Invincible:

This ship had suffered engine troubles on the way to the Falklands, couldn't they account for the delay?
The ship would also surely have to remain on station for a while to deter the Argentines from attempting a second invasion.

If the Invincible had taken a full exocet hit, surely it would be decommissioned by now. The cost of repairing the damage done by exocet would be seen to be too great considering the trend in decreasing defence spending at that time. The government would surely prefer to scrap her.

Well, those are the arguments I would put forward in an essay to say Invincible was not damaged.


Mongoose, what degree are you studying at the moment?

[IMARA]

It was hit with an exocet, that´s sure because: 1) the big damage in the invincible was the consecuence of a misile of that shape, of that type.
2) It was the last AM-39 we had, and we know we use it against the Hermes. It was also attacked with 30 mm cannons and bombs.
Fenna, the english government obviously repaired the boat, ´cause it would have been really embarrasing that their boat called "invincible" had been defeated (or seriously damaged).

[Pooga]

I thought the Skyhawk pilots mistook the Invincible for another ship with smokestacks or something—just from the top of my head, sorry.

[Fenna]

It was hit with an exocet, that´s sure because: 1) the big damage in the invincible was the consecuence of a misile of that shape, of that type.
2) It was the last AM-39 we had, and we know we use it against the Hermes. It was also attacked with 30 mm cannons and bombs.
Fenna, the english government obviously repaired the boat, ´cause it would have been really embarrasing that their boat called "invincible" had been defeated (or seriously damaged).

Which big damage is that exactly?

[Dusty Miller]

The invincible was so far away from the action that the argies didn't have a missile with the range to hit it. :D

[IMARA]

I don´t know EXACTLY because I wasn´t there, but there was lot of smoke. But I don´t know what damage, now one knows, the pilots were under attack so they got out of there (they were also running out of fuel). So they couldn´t pay much attention to the damage they caused.

Dusty miller, Invincible was not far away from the action. It was there, and, as Pooga says, it was confused with another ship. In fact, it was not confused, I mean, the real objective was this ship (now I can´t remember it´s name), not the hermes. This ship shot down 2 of 4 planes we sent. The other two were the ones that attack this one and the hermes, with 3 bombs of 250 Kg and one exocet.

[Stolly]

I don´t know EXACTLY because I wasn´t there, but there was lot of smoke. But I don´t know what damage, now one knows, the pilots were under attack so they got out of there (they were also running out of fuel). So they couldn´t pay much attention to the damage they caused.

Dusty miller, Invincible was not far away from the action. It was there, and, as Pooga says, it was confused with another ship. In fact, it was not confused, I mean, the real objective was this ship (now I can´t remember it´s name), not the hermes. This ship shot down 2 of 4 planes we sent. The other two were the ones that attack this one and the hermes, with 3 bombs of 250 Kg and one exocet.

With respect, both carriers had members of the media on board, as well as thousands of servicemen on the carriers and surrounding vessels. If she had been hit by an Exocet, wouldn't you expect that at least some of them would have seen it, and perhaps would have been killed or wounded ?

Every item of damage to every other vessel was filmed by the media and was shown on the TV news that very day, its strange that this one was not.

[SHAM]

There is a good double dvd available from amazon, has all the media footage from the time. Its quite interesting.

[IMARA]

Have you seen a video which shows that invincible was not attacked?
And if the boat was attacked but the reprters were not allowed to show and publicate what they filmed? Remember that in war many, many things are not shown, so one never knows about them.
But, maybe you are right, and our exocet just sunk in the sea. The question I make myself is, what happened with the misile? It didn´t use to sink, and it didn´t hit the first boat we attack, but it was for sure launched, so what hapened what the misile? As I said before, maybe this one was not good, and it sunk.

[Stolly]

Have you seen a video which shows that invincible was not attacked?
And if the boat was attacked but the reprters were not allowed to show and publicate what they filmed? Remember that in war many, many things are not shown, so one never knows about them.
But, maybe you are right, and our exocet just sunk in the sea. The question I make myself is, what happened with the misile? It didn´t use to sink, and it didn´t hit the first boat we attack, but it was for sure launched, so what hapened what the misile? As I said before, maybe this one was not good, and it sunk.

Yes, i watched reports from the Invincible on a daily basis.

Honestly, if it was just servicemen on there it is *possible*, but very improbable that they could have been told to keep quiet. Members of the media however as a rule have not signed the official secrets act and cannot be forced to keep quiet, certainly not for 23 years.

I just cannot understand how nobody got killed or wounded either. Above anything else, that must throw doubt on any claim of the Invincible being hit by an Exocet.

[IMARA]

Ok. This can be a very enduring discussion. I say that maybe reporters were not allowed to make public what they saw, and that the personnel killed was maybe kept a secret, and you say that you believe that nobody was killed, and (obviously) you can´t understand how this can be possible.
It´s a matter of opinions. Thanks for answering

[EsoognomEhT]

Mongoose, what degree are you studying at the moment?


sorry mate didnt see this, BA (hons) history

Dissertation where I get to choose want I want has been the only interesting bit in the whole 3 years :lol: :lol: :lol:

[SK2]

Ok. This can be a very enduring discussion. I say that maybe reporters were not allowed to make public what they saw, and that the personnel killed was maybe kept a secret, and you say that you believe that nobody was killed, and (obviously) you can´t understand how this can be possible.
It´s a matter of opinions. Thanks for answering

Press control? but the British Army (or Royal Marines) got trouble when BBC broadcasted their planned attack route shows that the control was not very effective......