Israel makes official release of gruesome bomb video footage

[obd]

The Israeli government has release a 5 minute videomade of the last suicide bus bombing in order to give the world a less sanitizedand more relaistic portrayal of what is going on in Israel today. They feel as if they are lossing the "propaganda war" to the Palestinains who regularly release footage of the aftermaths of Israeli raids to condemnation and outrage in Europe and quite feelings of sadness in the United States.

Victims family's have supported this move in order to make the world understand that "we are not simply having our peace of mind at morning coffee in trendy bars taken away. Our lives are being blown to pieces every day". I downloaded the video and it is indeed quite graphic. I would not recomend it to anyone here who regularly complains when a dead body is shown from 100 yards in low resolution and from a bad angle!

In my opinion it is a good move because I agree that the world is given an all to sanitized idea of what is going in in Israel and we are desensitized to seeing women and children crying and maybe a burned bus. We are never shown the cold hard bloody reality of what the Palestinians are doing in Israel yet we are given footage of the aftermath of Israeli raids. I think it definately hurts Israel to have the world blind to thier sufferings while having the Palestinain suffering shown so graphically. It almost creates a subconcious feeling of sorrow for the Palestinians even if you disagree with HAMAS and the PLO etc... I think both should be shown honestly because both sides are essentially implacable foes and will never ever stop fighting.

Hell even to this very day radical zionists are taking more palestinain land and radical HAMAS are plotting mortar,sniper, and suicide bomb attacks. I do agree with the quote many Israeli's have as their "avatar" which goes something like this : "If we dropped all our arms today, then we would be dead within a few days. If the Palestianians dropped all thier arms than there would be peace within a few days". Anyway, I do see both sides as being guilty however and I see radicals on both sides which are causing the problems. It isnt ALL the Palestinaians fault as they have legitimate greivances and it isnt all the Israeli's fault as they,and the state of Israel, have a right to exist. I do worry about terrorists downloading the footage and reproducing it for thier own propaganda though..........

Here is the link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3448377.stm

[George W. Bush]

The kids at ****** and rotten are going to be very happy!

[SeanAshi]

****** and rotten are going to be very happy!
They have some ****ed up **** on ******, I just viewd the suicide pictures of Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, the guys from Columbine. Eric was missing half of his head, he put his sawed off 12 gauge shotgun in his mouth, totaly gross

[Kenshin]

when in israel do not ride the bus..
when in israel do not ride the bus..
when in israel do not ride the bus..
when in israel do not ride the bus..
when in israel do not ride the bus..
when in israel do not ride the bus..
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[gilgoul]

when in israel do not ride the bus..
when in israel do not ride the bus..
when in israel do not ride the bus..
when in israel do not ride the bus..
when in israel do not ride the bus..
when in israel do not ride the bus..
whe..

Believe me, I wish i didn`t have to
Believe me, I wish my girl friend didn`t have to, ,
Believe me, when driving next to a bus, i try not to stand too f..... close.
But BELIEVE ME, IF THE ****ERS THINK THEY LL MAKE ME CONCEDE ANYTHING UNDER THEIR SICK "POLITICAL" STATEMENTS, I LL PROVE THEM WRONG, AND THE MORE THEY LL TRY TO DO ME OR MY FELLOWS HARM, THE MORE THEY LL SEE MY STEADFASTNESS, I LL NOT GIVE AMYTHING TO THE TERRORISTS AND THEIR SUPPORTERS.
And you know wat`s funny, i`m considered a leftie :lol:

[Mr. Nielsen]

In my opinion it is a good move because I agree that the world is given an all to sanitized idea of what is going in in Israel and we are desensitized to seeing women and children crying and maybe a burned bus. We are never shown the cold hard bloody reality of what the Palestinians are doing in Israel yet we are given footage of the aftermath of Israeli raids.


It's not my impression that Israeli victim's are not given prominent time in the news. I believe that everytime a bus has been blown up, pictures or live footage from the scene have been shown. Though not with as much graphic content as this one, but that goes for coverage from the palestinian side too. In the contrary I would say that it is the daily palestinian casualties that goes unnoticed.

[Javehn]

What da f.... ?? What ????? You wanna play the game , i can play the game . That one big pile of bull**** i ever heard someone says . I can't take that ****ing **** anymore . Your impression are made directly from the asshole , that about your impressions Nielsen . And i am ready to waste some of my time on this .

Let's start talking about the PR and media war . It's all different , and opposite type of war to conventional. While in conventional war , the one with tanks , the planes , bigger number of soldier wins . In media war , the little kid bits the hell of trained soldier , and a tank looses to a stone . There is no army in the world , that was considered so much how it will look on media , and restrained itself in so massive way , until redicoul (3 hours anounce before attack on targets , planes circuiling over the targets - to warning and allow everybody escape ) - IDF wanted to throw from him the Goliath vs. David image , but without success . Palestinians very much love that image , and they tried numerous times by many means stop the video of Soldier linch in Rammalah (like sewing all the Italian crew that filmed that moment , and then warning that they can't air the video , and so on ) .

After watching foreign network station , it's obvios that somehow the world view of them , and Israeli press is very different . There are 2 options . Or the media publicly lies to Israeli nation , or the foreign networks are pretty much twisting the information . After feeling that on my experience , i can very much say , that the blame falls on foreign networks , that only look out for media scoopes , and twisting peaces of information , that it lookes like everything , except the truth .

The wrong interpritation of soldier deads is also taking places . Civilians , and cameraman are always somehow shure , that all the deads soldiers doing , consirn directly to those civilians , and done by soldiers to make them suffer . This way , simple military drill that soldier doing , becomes to this civilian / cameraman as a personal threat on him . Example : Italian (again them) TV crue infiltrated the city of Beith Lehem during the operation "Defence Wall" . They pooled up on 3 roadside charges , that was placed by Pal. fighters again IDF APC's , and cought up in the middle of firefight between IDF and Pal. fighter . The TV crue was so shure that - a) Road side charges - Israeli tank fired on them in purpose to kill the TV crue . b) The firefight-IDF soldiers shoted at them , trying to kill again the TV , sence they didn't secceded before . They formed they opinions very quickly on the matter, one of them published book on that matter , and later it became a Italian movie "Borned in Beith Lehem" .

Now , about PA media . As someone that had the look to watch perversive pile of crap that they produced (i bellieve some clips from it possible to see in this forum , in "Real Terrorism" thread) , i can tell that it's perhaps the most biased , most idiotic , most uninformative piss of Media in the world . It's also make one wonder, do we have real partners to peace , while they National TV and Media look like that ? The propaganda level on the National PA TV was in so high levels , that they actually integrated Propaganda pisses in the news , making every action of IDF on territories look like another massacre of thousand inoccent Palestinians , killed by Shaytan himself in the form of evil devil IDF soldiers . It didn't took much to convince people , that it was actually footages of IDF in action .

Ad now about foreign press . One of the things , that made our position looked so ****ed up , is unwillingness of Israeli figures to debate on foreign press , or to participate on it , while Palestinian figures do it regulary . CNN - on 12/10 P.M Barak was on CNN . In the bottom of the creen were so typical subtitles , superficial , the fact theat they haven't understand half of what Barak said - in the bottom was written : Barak said that Palestinians are the initiators of violence in the West bank . 'Barak opposes an international inquiry by the UN' . But the message was instant , and cachy , making people to form immidiate view . When Saib Arikat was interviewed later , again his words take so simpliffied meaning , making the whole conflict sounds like scattering between 2 boys in the naighbourhood . The CNN didn't wanted to bring some order in the info , and didn't asked for CIA advisors that visited in Israel that time , because it would bring some order in chaos . They didn't wanted to .

On 11/10/00 Ted Copel maded his "Nightline" show in Jerusalem . It was debate between dr. Hanan Ashrawi , Saib Arikat , and Azmi Bshara from one side , and from another side Ehud Olmert , Efraim Sne , and Naomi Hazan . This program became so ****ed up entirely , and had very strong pro-Palestinian side during all of the show . Why ? Copel wanted to air the show on West Jerusalem , and the jews crowd was affraid to get there (Yes , that's right . What , never heard that Palestinians intimidating Israelies ? Can it be you don't know half of the **** ? Can it be , Nielsen ?? ) . The crowd that did got there - Palestinian and Jewish Pro -Palestinian crowd (i don't remember hearing of any strong Arab pro Israeli side those days . No , no , don't remember . Do you remember , Nielsen ? ) . Copel was criticized over and over again , he was asked to do the show East Jerusalem , where both Palestinians and Jews were welcome (Yes , what a surprize , Nielsen . Palestinians don't afraid to come on Jewish side . Interesting , ha ? ) . But he turned down the proposition over and over again . He aired the show there . The Israeli side recieved a strong "Boo" , while Palestinian side with a smile explaining the bruthality of Israelies , the IDF . During the show , 2 girls stoud up from the crowd , Israeli Pro-Arab , and Palestinian girl . Jewish girl asked : - "Mr. Efraim Sne , how the hell in the world can you explain the death of innoccent Palestinian child on Nezarim ?? How ?? " . They failed to ask , or critisize the smilling Palies side. The Pali side smiled again , from ear to ear , and began to spread the propaganda **** - "The boy was cought by Israeli troops , entering the Nezarim . They cought him , cough his hands , blindfalled him , shoot him couple times in the head after . " , and so on and so on , Zionists are satan , IDF are satan .
Israeli side was so embarrased - no home court , no home audience (Israeli audience is preaching to it's own politics !! At list preach something to other "Angel side" !! ) . They were so embarrased , that they started to mamble some regrets , sorries , the boys wasn't suppose to get there , and we sorry that he did , and so on ...
Everybody were pleased in audience . Pali side infront of cameras were pleased . Ted Copel were mighty pleased . Next day , suicide kill ...

CNN went to families of wictoms , and the suicide terrorist (that was a girl ) family , to interview they feallings . Apparantly they liked so much the suicide girl family , that they aired only the interview of suicide bomber family , while the head of the family gloriffying stories of her deeds , and telling the atroccities done by IDF .

After linch in Rammalah , Palestinian side tried to stop in every way possible the airing of the video tape . Israeli side helped them with that . Government decided , that perhaps it can help the PA side of Israel , but to show the type is just to much disrespectfull to the soldiers , and they families . Apparantly PA didn't had that stopings . Good for them ..

And we can talk and talk and talk and talk , Mr. Nielsen , about how media likes the poor Palestinians . But unfortunatly , the truth or the objectivy isn't needed product this days . I must run cose i wasted to much time writting here . Wish me luck on my exams ...

[SeanAshi]

In the contrary I would say that it is the daily palestinian casualties that goes unnoticed.
Palestinians always complain that America is biased on Israels behalf, which we are, and always will be, all the Arab countires are biased on the Palestinians. Do you think the Palestinians and Arabs give a damn about the Israelis? So why should we Americans give a damn about the Palestinians?

[Truthsayer]

In the contrary I would say that it is the daily palestinian casualties that goes unnoticed.
Palestinians always complain that America is biased on Israels behalf, which we are, and always will be, all the Arab countires are biased on the Palestinians. Do you think the Palestinians and Arabs give a damn about the Israelis? So why should we Americans give a damn about the Palestinians?

Because your supposed to be better?

[hood]

Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs website:

http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/home.asp

[OldRecon]

In the contrary I would say that it is the daily palestinian casualties that goes unnoticed.
Palestinians always complain that America is biased on Israels behalf, which we are, and always will be, all the Arab countires are biased on the Palestinians. Do you think the Palestinians and Arabs give a damn about the Israelis? So why should we Americans give a damn about the Palestinians?

Why should you care about any of them? :).

As for biased media, cannot say there is much bias this or that way in the reporting I have access to from national media here up north.
Though i guess people tend to side with the underdog.
Back in '48 the jews were the underdogs, but ironicaly with their string of victories from the 56 campaign to the early part of the invasion in Lebanon i 82, I guess they lost that image along the way.
Having "the best army in the world" (not my opinion though) isn't allways advantageous it seems.
Though with the constant drip of casualties this or that way, who cares anymore, except those who live there in the midst of the ****?
As good old Mr. X-ray used to say: "Just another dead dog".
(Though I guess he's one of those living in the midst of the **** down there nowdays, unless he's allready snorted his last lines in this world :), at least doubt if he's still the "king of Hasbaya" :D).