Don't deal drugs in Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia...

[Pulsar]

Those countries take their anti-drug laws seriously:


Australian to be executed in Singapore

CANBERRA - An Australian man convicted of drugs charges in Singapore has lost his final appeal for clemency and will be executed, Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said on Friday.

Nguyen Tuong Van, 25, was sentenced to death in March 2004 after being convicted for smuggling almost 400 grams (0.9 lb) of heroin from Vietnam. He was arrested at Singapore's Changi Airport in December 2002, where he was in transit for Australia.

Downer, Prime Minister John Howard and Governor-General Michael Jeffery had all pleaded for clemency for Nguyen, who will become the first Australian to be executed for drugs charges in Southeast Asia since 1993.

"We are very sad that this has happened. We have done our best, we have done everything we can to save his life," Downer told reporters in Adelaide. "The execution is expected to be carried out fairly quickly, which is the custom in Singapore."

Australia is a staunch opponent of the death penalty but Singapore, known for its tough stand against crime, mandates the death penalty for murder and drug trafficking.

Nguyen's Melbourne-based lawyer Lex Lasry said the Singapore decision was devastating for Nguyen, his family and "anyone who values humane treatment of their fellow human beings."

"Death by hanging is hideous. Further, it is grossly out of proportion to the crime committed," he said in a statement, adding that Nguyen had admitted his guilt and cooperated with authorities.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=19748

[sir-chimp]

We are very sad that this has happened. We have done our best, we have done everything we can to save his life," Downer told reporters in Adelaide. "The execution is expected to be carried out fairly quickly, which is the custom in Singapore."



Its funny how some dirt bag smuggling drugs, who should be an embarrassment to his country, is made out to be the poor victim. I would commend Singapore if it was an American that got caught doing the same thing.

[Kilgor]

Moron....

Trying to get herion through airports in certain asian capitals is asking for death.

He might as well just threw himself off a bridge, its that certain.

[Hanism]

**** him. Kill his drug dealing ass slowly and painfully.

[StukaJr]

They only tell that when you get on the plane, while on the plane, when you get off the plane...

His crime is grossly dispraportioned to the crime comitted? Ha! Whomever said that should be dragged through the pits of humanity that has ever touched herroine, crack or other hard addictive drugs...

[dacanadianbomb]

There you go gentleman , kiss your life goodbye for a lousy 400 grams of heroin.

I understand that they want to get a handle on drug smuggling, but the punishment by far outweighs the crime in this case.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Well to every ****face who has called him a dirtbag ect ect.

Bare in mind that in Australia we have safe injecting rooms, free methodone treatment programs and for this amount of heroin you would more then likely get off on a warning.

So you lot can get ****ed before you start opening your mouth and realise that different countries have different laws with regards to drugs.

Opening your mouth as usual before knowing what goes on.

[BarkingSquirrel]

I see, if it's okay to do it in your country, then it's perfectly okay to do it in some other country... Sweep the problem under the rug instead of actually dealing with it. You're still as idiotic as ever.

You pretend as though its a little known fact - when they've already executed atleast one australian before for the same thing. The dirtbag knew what he was doing and the risk involved. The dirtbag gambled and he lost. Game over man.

The dirtbag is getting what he and every other drug dealing sleazy dirtbag deserves. My only hope is that they put the knot in the wrong place, so the dirtbag gets a nice, long strangulation.

[dacanadianbomb]

I dont know what your talking about minard. I think everyone knows whats going on.He smuggled drugs , was caught and now the countries harsch laws are coming down on him. Just because he gets a free ride in aussieland doesnt mean we should show mercy does it ?

Its your own problem to find out what laws apply, and you might wanna be smart and figure that out first. then he could have saved his own life and flown somewhere else. or flown clean.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

For sure I agree that the guy is an failed to use proper judgement and deserves to spend some time in gaol. But I am against the death penelty period and I'm also trying to point out why he is looked at as being the victim as opposed to being a criminal.

[Pulsar]

Well to every ****face who has called him a dirtbag ect ect.

Bare in mind that in Australia we have safe injecting rooms, free methodone treatment programs and for this amount of heroin you would more then likely get off on a warning.

So you lot can get ****ed before you start opening your mouth and realise that different countries have different laws with regards to drugs.

Opening your mouth as usual before knowing what goes on.

Nice minard, but your compatriot should have done his thing in Australia, not in Singapore where even spitting your gum in the wrong places can earn you an extremely painful punishment.

[DarkCypher]

And why is he a victim?
Sorry, but it’s their country and their rules. If no one can accept that and would rather abuse them then you disserve a bullet for shear stupidity.
I hope the stupid **** suffers.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

I cant believe how low you people consider a life to be worth.

Very suprised.

[TheBelgian]

What scares me is the fact that with such swift use of the death penalty, there is no room for error. You always hear stories about how tourists get duped into taking a package with them from some native, or about how they get drugs planted in their bags, which will then be stolen on arrival. I'd sure hate to be exectued because some drug dealer stashed a package of dope in my bag when i wasnt looking.

Sure, this guy might just have been a drug dealer, but i think that having de facto capital punishment for all aprehened drug dealers, even foreign nationals, and then executing it quickly, before an appeal or further investigation can be made, is wrong, and beneath a civilised country.

[BarkingSquirrel]

I cant believe how low you people consider a life to be worth.

Very suprised.
Yeah, because we all know drug peddlers value human life sooooooo much more. Don't like the punishment then don't do the crime, simple as that. Making excuses for monsters will not make them go away. Hanging them from the nearest tree however, does.

[danmuzi]

But he broke the law. He smuggled drugs into a country with strict laws against it. I heard US Coast Guard just seized a ship full with 11 tons of cocaine in CNN (with street value appr. 3/4 billion). Should people involved with 11-ton cocaine smuggling get death penalty? I think so. With that much coke, they would have turned so many people into addicts. But they probably aren't gonna get the needle because it's not the maximum penalty for it (at least I don't think it is). Different countries have different views/rules. People have to respect rules and be ready for consequences if one ever decides to break it.

[catalyst]

DO THE CRIME DO THE TIME!

and what about the human life he valued by trying to transport (maybe not deal) his drugs.....a ODing crack addict is less of a value of human life

[futurepilot2004]

Meh. Everyone knows about the strict drug laws in those countries. If your stupid enough to take/smuggle etc drugs there, then you deserve what you get.

[WarriorMonk]

I cant believe how low you people consider a life to be worth.

Very suprised.

Tough world, haven't you realized it yet?

[wiking]

Their country, their laws. And if you're stupid enough to try and smuggle allmost a pound of Heroine through a airport in a country like that......well, there's something called calculated risk, you'd do it in australia and a few other countries, but trying it there, that's just f*cking stupid.

But still, hanging is a shyte way to go, atleast if the executioner isn't skilled.

[Omaha]

This is a well known fact. Hell they made a movie about it like 5 years ago. A couple of girls from California go to Thialand for there graduation present type deal. A smuggler uses them as drug mules, and they get cuaght. Now they pleaded down to life in prison..but that is still a giant kick in the ass.


Onlything I can see wrong with this is if they didn't let the Australians investigate as well. If the country did it all on their own. If that happened, then I would feel for the guy.

[Roids]

Minardiau is only sticking up for this guy because hes a damn drug addict himself.

This is what I love about singapore, they dont fool around with ****tags. Lots of people may not agree with the laws there but look they have created, nothing into something very prosperous.

This ****tag knew what he was getting into and deserves every oz. of suffering.

[sir-chimp]

Well to every ****face who has called him a dirtbag ect ect.

Bare in mind that in Australia we have safe injecting rooms, free methodone treatment programs and for this amount of heroin you would more then likely get off on a warning.

So you lot can get ****ed before you start opening your mouth and realise that different countries have different laws with regards to drugs.

Opening your mouth as usual before knowing what goes on.


simply amazing and quite sad


So you lot can get ****ed before you start opening your mouth and realise that different countries have different laws with regards to drugs.


I guess you really have no room to be critical of Singapor then.

Your defending some low life dirt bag drug smuggler bringing what is the cause for so much misery and despair in western countries - and where the f uck faces? Ok pal, you believe what ever you wish.

[sct1886]

LIFE IS VERY PRECIOUS!! That is why drug dealing is INTOLERABLE. Meth, heroin and crack SENTENCE the individual to a slow agonizing death. Drugs permanently alter ones mind and physiology. They cause ruination to all they come into contact with, children, families and communities. Drugs tie up resources of the community greatly needed elswhere. Addictive drugs raise crime rates dramatically. In Kansas City, Missouri a son killed his mother for $20 and cut her up and buried her in a suitcase. An elderly man killed his 22 year old son whom was going to murder him over a few dollars for more crack. China had the answer in 1949 to drugs, they killed all of the dealers and many of the users. It stopped for many years. My wife would jog alone in downtown Beijing. I would not even consider letting her do that in most of my community. The death sentence is a harsh punishment to a hard crime. Liberal thinking worldwide has lead to increased crime and decreased rights. Australia is another good example of a country ruined by LIBERAL thinking. Mine the USA is another example. Go whine about harsh punishment somewhere else, your arguement is illogical. Scott Battles

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Australia ruined by liberal thinking?

Haha good one.

[sickofpretenders]

LIFE IS VERY PRECIOUS!! That is why drug dealing is INTOLERABLE. Meth, heroin and crack SENTENCE the individual to a slow Scott Battles

Meth? Come on man that stuff it tame compared to the other two. Are you the scott battles of the infamous custer battles?


Onlything I can see wrong with this is if they didn't let the Australians investigate as well. If the country did it all on their own. If that happened, then I would feel for the guy.

So you would be cool with mexico doing the investigation if some mexican drug lord came into the US and got caught running drugs? And if they found no evidence setting him free?

Every Australian (I cant speak for all countries) knows the penalties for running drugs in asia. If they decide to run drugs anyway and get caught? too bad. I personally will spare my sympathy for those that deserve it.


So you lot can get ****ed before you start opening your mouth and realise that different countries have different laws with regards to drugs.
We do realise that, and we are the ones respecting that. The guys caught should have respected that also. The is a reason for the high penalties: Those countries dont want drug running.

Also 400grams is a lot of hammer, its far from insignifcant and would put the owner away in Aus.

[Omaha]

So you would be cool with mexico doing the investigation if some mexican drug lord came into the US and got caught running drugs? And if they found no evidence setting him free?

If America was all but a third world country, yes.

Would you take a conviction of an Australian in some crappy African country, Iran, or China at face value? I wouldn't.

If they simply did not allow any involvement at all, I am not saying they should run or even have a hand in prosecution. Just to make sure that an over zealous prosecutor (or what ever they have in that country) doesn't forget to cross a few "t"s and dot the "i"s and doesn't care because he is a foreigner.

That is all I was saying.

[sir-chimp]

Meth is easily in the same class as heroin or crack. I live in a city with in the meth belt, there is no dobut in my mind about the dangers of meth or the amount of destruction in ones life of those who chooses to use it. And any one who spends more than 1/2 hour on the internet - if even that - can easily get how to on making it. A drug which unlike crack or heroin - doesnt require the smugling of a base drug across the borders. Everything you need is at you local farm and drug store. There are a lot of problems with people who get the chemicals in there eyes and go to the emergency room and wont tell the dr what they got in there eyes because they were making meth - by the time the drs figure out what the chemicals were - it is often too late and the person ends up blinded - and its not isolated - it happens all the time in emergency rooms across the meth belt. There have been an increasing out break of meth lab fires in homes, and its only going to get worse as the drug spreads. And its spreading from the countryside to the cities - competing with crack for the junkies fix.

[Wodan]

I live in Würzburg, a town with 140,000 citizens, many people here smoke weed, but thats all, I know a few people that sometimes take speed, cocaine or psilosibilin, but thats all, never seen a junky on the street.

[wiking]

Meth is easily in the same class as heroin or crack. I live in a city with in the meth belt, there is no dobut in my mind about the dangers of meth or the amount of destruction in ones life of those who chooses to use it. And any one who spends more than 1/2 hour on the internet - if even that - can easily get how to on making it. A drug which unlike crack or heroin - doesnt require the smugling of a base drug across the borders. Everything you need is at you local farm and drug store. There are a lot of problems with people who get the chemicals in there eyes and go to the emergency room and wont tell the dr what they got in there eyes because they were making meth - by the time the drs figure out what the chemicals were - it is often too late and the person ends up blinded - and its not isolated - it happens all the time in emergency rooms across the meth belt. There have been an increasing out break of meth lab fires in homes, and its only going to get worse as the drug spreads. And its spreading from the countryside to the cities - competing with crack for the junkies fix.

meth is some bad ****, and the labs are just bleeding bombs waiting to blow. with the ease of manufacture and availability of the ingredients, it must be the worst and most dangerous "hard" drug there is.

Cocaine is grown and made in south america, heroine requires opium from the middle of far east, made into morphine on site and then smuggled into what ever country they are going to as morphine, or made into heroine first and then smuggled. (it takes a ratio of 10:1 to make morphine\heroin. ie. 10kg of opium to make 1kg morphine\heroine, so it's never or rarely smuggled in it's original form since it's considerably more weight and space consuming. Morphine to heroin is fairly simple, and there is no or little loss off amount in the prosess, therefore wether it's morphine or heroin when its smuggled doesn't really matter. But i'm not an expert, and i might be somewhat off on my knowledge)

[Resurrection]

The death sentence in my opinion is one of the biggest reasons why it's so damn safe to live in Singapore. I don't know how they do it but the government puts this fear into the people living there. Practically no one is willing to challenge the Singapore law system (in lack of better words) by committing a crime. You can virtually go anywhere (well almost anywhere) in Singapore at any time all alone and not have even the slightest thought of getting mugged or robbed. Trust me, I should know after having lived in Singapore for more than 10 years. I once even saw on Orchard Rd., which is one of the most popular areas in Singapore, this guy throw something I think it was a can or a bottle on the ground and these two undercover cops from behind tackled and arrested him. No joke, I'm dead serious.

Now about this Australian guy, he was given a second chance - although maybe not directly. After vacation when I'm on the flight back home to Singapore, before landing the flight stewardess would go on the cabin phone and remind all the passengers that smuggling in drugs is a serious offence in Singapore and can be punished by the death penalty. But for all I know these reminders may only be on Singapore Airline flights cuz we only flew with them. Personally I feel really sorry for him, and while I do think what he did was stupid and foolish, I don't think he should have been given the death penalty. Possibly jail, but definately not the death penalty.

[Lokos]

There are good reasons to uphold the death penalty here. Fair reasons. But I can't support this. I can't do anything about it, either.

Let's just hope that this monstrosity of an incident influences young Australian tourists to not leave their brains back in Oz when travelling.

Bloody hell, though... Makes me not want to go to Indonesia/Malaysia.

Lokos

[Hawaii_Light]

"Whomever said that should be dragged through the pits of humanity that has ever touched herroine, crack or other hard addictive drugs..."

I was addicted to herroine, and morphine, and its ****ing hell to get off that **** but i don't wish death on someone just because he tried to smuggle some in. It was a pretty ****ing risky thing to do, but that crap probably goes for a ****load of money there.

[Hawaii_Light]

pardon my swearing :-)

[BarkingSquirrel]

We're back to making excuses for the inexcusable already?

[Hawaii_Light]

no, im just saying that you shouldn't spend your life wishing death upon others.

[BarkingSquirrel]

No, you clearly tried to make an excuse for it with the last sentence of your post right above mine. If you want the lowest scum of humanity to go free, then just say it. Don't hide behind the "Well it's a bad thing to do, but -" **** like all the antiwar nuts do when they say they support the troops.

Have some guts and stand for what you believe in, instead of trying to have it both ways. Any person with even an ounce of morals knows he deserves to die.

[Hawaii_Light]

well you obviously didn't get that the part of my post that says
"but that crap probably goes for a ****load of money there."

what i ment was thats why he probably did it. not as an excuse to do it.

im sorry i didn't make it clearer.

[Hawaii_Light]

And no i don't think he should, die, which i obviously explained in my other post. so i guess i don't have any morals.

[Hawaii_Light]

and to make this clearer:"what i ment was thats why he probably did it"

drug dealers sell drugs for money, not to make some sorta stupid political statement. so he did it for capitalist reasons. which means he would make more money out of that shipment, then he would if he had sold it in Australia.

its purely a speculation on reason, not an excuse.

[Zorro C9]

400g of heroin can turn into a lot of lesser quality H.

**** him.

[wiking]

400g of heroin can turn into a lot of lesser quality H.

**** him.

if it was completely pure stuff, and not cut to distributor level, you could make even as much as 10kg of the stuff on street level purity. Depending on where in the world it was going of course, diffrent countrys has diffrent average purity of the street stuff.

[DPGLAW]

The punishment for this crime is grossly dispoportionate to the crime committed. He should have gotten NO more than say 5 yeas in prison for this and I think the fact that this gov't would execute someone for drug possession, etc. and execute them just goes to show how barbaric and ass backwards they are and these countries, like this one, are just ruining the worlds percetion of themselves and they are asking for it.

Dan

[toki]

I live in Würzburg, a town with 140,000 citizens, many people here smoke weed, but thats all, I know a few people that sometimes take speed, cocaine or psilosibilin, but thats all, never seen a junky on the street.
And your point is? I'd say you'll probably notice later that hard drugs are used virtually everywhere. Just because you don't see junkies on the streets in a small town it doesn't say they're not there.

Unfortunately i see too many of them around here. I think Heroine and crack are mostly in use. I saw a tv documentary that showed that Meth is widespread in east germany, but not so much in the west, for some strange reason.

On topic: Even though i live in a country with quite mild punishment on drug offenses i agree that this guy choose his fate. Damn if you really wanna get into a world of **** then traffic drugs to south east asia or saudi arabia and end on chop chop square. No pitty. Even i can understand his family struggleing. I'm not pro death penalty btw.

[sickofpretenders]

I think the argument that the punishment is to big for the crime is a seperate issue. The dealers know the punishment and ignore it at their own peril. Spare some empathy for the people whos lives are ruined or ended by the drug the dealers seek to profit from importing.

How many of you who feel sorry the drug dealers feel sorry for people who make into the darwin awards?

Also: Those calling singapore backwards and third world, think again. Its more sophisticated and civilised you think.

Hey and one more thing? How do people rate coke on the scale of hardness?

[toki]

The punishment for this crime is grossly dispoportionate to the crime committed. He should have gotten NO more than say 5 yeas in prison for this and I think the fact that this gov't would execute someone for drug possession, etc. and execute them just goes to show how barbaric and ass backwards they are and these countries, like this one, are just ruining the worlds percetion of themselves and they are asking for it.
Dan
Even i'm against death penalty i'd say drug trafficking should be punished among the harshest available sentences. And every country has the right to choose it's penal codes. Especially small countries tend to be strict to make a stance. That's the way it is. You also have the death penalty and europe doesn't. It's another philosphy but don't start pointing your finger at a small coubtry and call it backwards because the way they use the death penalty.


How do people rate coke on the scale of hardness?
Bad bad drug. Know some people who do it. Underrated, because it really changes people and wrecks them, and they would never even realize it. And is still somehow 'chic' It basicly makes assholes out of people. I sometimes call it the asshole drug.

[BarkingSquirrel]

and to make this clearer:"what i ment was thats why he probably did it"

drug dealers sell drugs for money, not to make some sorta stupid political statement. so he did it for capitalist reasons. which means he would make more money out of that shipment, then he would if he had sold it in Australia.

its purely a speculation on reason, not an excuse.Yes it is an excuse. Why he did it has no bearing on the fact that he did do it. His motivations mean jack ****. All saying that does is try to conjure up a victim sentiment on part of that monster. You are dispicable.

[walford]

I have sympathy for the families of the condemned, but the death penalty-for-drug-smuggling etc. laws have notoriously existed in Singapore since before many of you were born. There are other countries where summary trials and long sentences for minor [or non-existent] offenses are commonplace. That's why I highly recommend against even GOING to such places. Actually committing a crime in such a country is...a poor choice.

[sct1886]

Toki : You need to see firsthand the epidemic of Methamphetimine here in the USA. Missouri is one of the leading producers and abusers. Meth abusers are unpredictable rabid dogs. Many producers set up shop with thier own children in the meth lab/home. I have no mercy for these manufactures and dealers. Kill them as they do to others. It is the ruination of too many an individual. Scott

[Omaha]

Toki : You need to see firsthand the epidemic of Methamphetimine here in the USA. Missouri is one of the leading producers and abusers. Meth abusers are unpredictable rabid dogs. Many producers set up shop with thier own children in the meth lab/home. I have no mercy for these manufactures and dealers. Kill them as they do to others. It is the ruination of too many an individual. Scott


Pieces of **** make it in the very bathtub their children bathe. I'd support anything that gets trash like this either clean, and if not gone. And you can take "gone" any way you choose.

[Hawaii_Light]

"Yes it is an excuse. Why he did it has no bearing on the fact that he did do it. His motivations mean jack ****. All saying that does is try to conjure up a victim sentiment on part of that monster. You are dispicable.

what the hell are you talking about, seriously i have no clue what your problem is. THE FACT IS THAT ALOT OF MONEY MAKES PEOPLE DO STUPID THINGS, I JUST POINTED THAT OUT NOT MADE HIM A VICTIM, IT WAS HIS OWN ****ING FAULT.
why are you making an ant hill into a moll hill. :-!

[sickofpretenders]

Whoa buddy. Soundls like you need a fix. He wasnt bringing your supply over when he got caught was he?

[Hawaii_Light]

"Whoa buddy. Soundls like you need a fix. He wasnt bringing your supply over when he got caught was he?"

not cool dude. this is serious **** that i delt with, not something to joke about.

I have been clean for a year and 8 months, something im particuarly proud of. Drugs are a bitch, but people who know nothing about what its like and then make fun of someone who struggled with them is an asshole.

*im making the asumption that you have never been an addict, if your have or where then im sorry but you should know better.

*i editted it, it usto say go **** yourself, but i decided to cut down on the swearing.

[oldsoak]

I'm sorry for people that get into drug abuse, and I'm sorry for those around them that love them and have to deal with what it does to that person. I dont feel sorry for those that traffic in drugs. Singapore makes no secret about what happens to those caught with drugs - it never has, and neither has Malaysia. Some people just wont take the risk seriously enough - whose fault is that ? I feel sorry for this young mans family and it must be the most painful thing on earth to know that a son or brother is going to die a long way from home. Its academic to argue for or against the death penalty in this case - its the law of a country, - if you dont like the law and you qualify, dont go there.

[sickofpretenders]

Me addict? Never, I can control my habits. If I feel anything from coffee to cocain getting a hold on me I stop.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Meh.

soooo any of ya all wanna get high?

[Hawaii_Light]

you don't need much heroin to get caught up in it, its one of the most addictive drugs in the world, and if your not careful you can become addicted to it in a week, easily. although i was addicted i wasn't a junkie if thats what you mean, i could control my addiction, it didn't get in the way of my life to much, but it was a bad thing, so it took it into my own hands and got off.

so Mr. Angel who dosn't get addicted, i guess no apology is coming my way for your sick joke so ill just add to your little shameless behavior rating. ;-)

[sickofpretenders]

you don't need much heroin to get caught up in it, its one of the most addictive drugs in the world, and if your not careful you can become addicted to it in a week, easily. although i was addicted i wasn't a junkie if thats what you mean, i could control my addiction, it didn't get in the way of my life to much, but it was a bad thing, so it took it into my own hands and got off.

so Mr. Angel who dosn't get addicted, i guess no apology is coming my way for your sick joke so ill just add to your little shameless behavior rating. ;-)

Well I had morphine in hospital enough to know to stay the hell away from herion.

As for the apology, well you are what you are, I dont go around demanding apologies for every comment that offends me, like when people call everyone in my job an out of control cowboy. Despite that I would consider apologising but from memory you have attacked my posts over some petty crap and never apologised so you just take a big breath, hold it, and wait for my apology wich will be coming shortly. In the meantime hit that negative feedback button some more, I want to know what colour it turns next.

[Hawaii_Light]

"In the meantime hit that negative feedback button some more, I want to know what colour it turns next."

done and done. :-)

its still red as far as i see, maybe it will turn the color of satans ass after a little while.

I wonder what color satans ass is.......

[miguelhc]

Wasn't in Singapore where an American punk vandalized several cars and was sentenced to flogging? I think the US Secretary of State had to intervene to save him.

I guess the bastard will think it twice before even looking bad at someone else's property.

My kind of place.

[toki]

Toki : You need to see firsthand the epidemic of Methamphetimine here in the USA. Missouri is one of the leading producers and abusers. Meth abusers are unpredictable rabid dogs. Many producers set up shop with thier own children in the meth lab/home. I have no mercy for these manufactures and dealers. Kill them as they do to others. It is the ruination of too many an individual. Scott

I can't see where i posted Meth isn't a dangerous drug? I just said it's widespread in the eastern part in our country (why? i don't know!) and here it's more crack and heroin. I also said drug trafficking should be punished with the harshest sentence available.

[Bluezoo]

Tough luck! Dura lex sed lex.

[ed316]

Meth is the poor man's cocaine. Fraction of the price and more intense high

[toki]

Meth is the poor man's cocaine. Fraction of the price and more intense high
and Meth users look like vampires after a while. Cocaine users... ok don't look like 'fresh' but can go unnoticed for years. Meth users have a pretty fast obvious physical damage.

[ed316]

and Meth users look like vampires after a while. Cocaine users... ok don't look like 'fresh' but can go unnoticed for years. Meth users have a pretty fast obvious physical damage.

First to go is the teeth

[toki]

First to go is the teeth
ha i found it... though a bit small

http://desmoinesregister.com/graphics/meth/methuse_thumb.jpg

[ed316]

ha i found it... though a bit small

http://desmoinesregister.com/graphics/meth/methuse_thumb.jpg

A fvucking shame

[toki]

A fvucking shame

but when i look at her i think she could also be a heroine addict. They look the same. And have this weird absolutely typical filthy greedy nasal voice...

[wiking]

First to go is the teeth

heroin to. You can spot an adict forever even if they kicked it 20 years ago. Teeth just go to hell, it's like the whole mouth is deformed.

Drugs is some bad sh*t. But the story about men like Liston and other men who broke ground to find the perfect drug for medical use is damend interesting. (Scream - The History Of Anaesthetics at www.digitaldristractions.org , worth the watch)

[ed316]

but when i look at her i think she could also be a heroine addict. They look the same. And have this weird absolutely typical filthy greedy nasal voice...

I saw this same picture years back, meth is so bad. Saw it first hand while I was Bartending to get some money for college

[walford]

heroin to. You can spot an adict forever even if they kicked it 20 years ago. Teeth just go to hell, it's like the whole mouth is deformed.Actually, any major addiction will age a person if it lasts very long -- even alcohol -- but the stimulants and narcotics have the quickest effect. They just flush the vitamins right out of your body, including the calcium in your bones and teeth.

I 've known someone since childhood who is about 4 years younger than me. I look about 10 years younger than my age, he looks about 10 years older.

[Pulsar]

Wasn't in Singapore where an American punk vandalized several cars and was sentenced to flogging? I think the US Secretary of State had to intervene to save him.

I guess the bastard will think it twice before even looking bad at someone else's property.

My kind of place.

He was still flogged.

[walford]

He was still flogged.Interesting news analysis from an Asian perspective on the incident -- and the comparative legal systems -- here: http://www.corpun.com/awfay9405.htm

[Resurrection]

Wasn't in Singapore where an American punk vandalized several cars and was sentenced to flogging? I think the US Secretary of State had to intervene to save him.

I guess the bastard will think it twice before even looking bad at someone else's property.

My kind of place.

Even President Clinton pleaded. After the caning his family was then deported from Singapore.

[Ea$y-8]

LIFE IS VERY PRECIOUS!! That is why drug dealing is INTOLERABLE. Meth, heroin and crack SENTENCE the individual to a slow agonizing death. Drugs permanently alter ones mind and physiology. They cause ruination to all they come into contact with, children, families and communities. .

*Cough* But you see the users have a choice, th drug dealer just sold them the stuff they did not force it on them.

[Lerclair]

Resurrection Wrote

Originally Posted by miguelhc
Wasn't in Singapore where an American punk vandalized several cars and was sentenced to flogging? I think the US Secretary of State had to intervene to save him.

I guess the bastard will think it twice before even looking bad at someone else's property.

My kind of place.


Even President Clinton pleaded. After the caning his family was then deported from Singapore.

His family was deported with what charges... pls explain. Did they left by themselves, or are hooded, handcuffed, stuffed and dumped on the earliest flight out. If so, the media would have a field day.. wouldn't it.

[sickofpretenders]

*Cough* But you see the users have a choice, th drug dealer just sold them the stuff they did not force it on them.

yeah and the drug dealers have a choice too, they dont have to go to smuggle drugs through a country with the death penalty for profit

[catalyst]

This guy was from Glen Waverley....i lived right near it....

the asian population in this area now is heavily involved in drugs, organised crime, protection money and so on....his brotehr was caught up in this and he made a effort to get his brother out of the crap with the triads.....do i feel sorry for him?

yes and no!

yes beacuse he was compeled to help his brother.

no because he should have kept his brother out of it in the first place....

so....deal the drugs....screw with the mafia/triads/gangs.....travel thru Singapore....have high purity heroin....GET HUNG HIGH FOR THE CRIME YOU COMMITED.....easy as that....

[saline]

well... from the papers, it was reported that 400g of heroin = more than 26,000 doses to drug users. True ?
hmm.... lots isn't it for 400g?

[Omaha]

When is this guy scheduled to swing from a rope? Any news on the date?

[walford]

...his brotehr was caught up in this and he made a effort to get his brother out of the crap with the triads.....do i feel sorry for him?

yes and no!

yes beacuse he was compeled to help his brother.

no because he should have kept his brother out of it in the first place...If you've ever had someone close to you with a major substance abuse problem, you'd know that you cannot keep an adult out of anything that they are hell-bent to do. All you can do is minimize the effect it has upon you, because they'll drag you down with them in a heartbeat -- close friend/relative or no.

[Ericsson]

if he called the guy names the guy got arrested for trafficking Heroin !!!
not marijuana Heroin ..that DRUG is lethal.. and I have been to Singapore one of the nicest city in the world by the way !! it clean, compare to the US which i have been may times the US citys look like **** sometimes ..Even south boston looks BAD..yes i know it's poor but no need to be animals..
anyway!!!! on the Singapore Immigration papers it's says drug trafficker will be punish by death. So !!! he new it
I remember when the singapore officials beat some foolish american
whit a stick

[walford]

^^^ You might want to read over the discussion that has occurred already a bit more closely.

[kineret]

would they kill you for pot. i mean its just pot. surely you people dont think a person should be killed for smoking a joint.

[walford]

would they kill you for pot. i mean its just pot. surely you people dont think a person should be killed for smoking a joint.I think that if you are stupid/compulsive enough to smoke a joint in a place where it is well-known that they execute people for doing so, it is likely that the gene pool would do well enough without you.

[sickofpretenders]

I think that if you are stupid/compulsive enough to smoke a joint in a place where it is well-known that they execute people for doing so, it is likely that the gene pool would do well enough without you.

And therin lies the crux of this debate. Do you feel sorry for a guy offered money to play russian roulette with 5 in the chamber? No. Do you feel sorry for the people who make the darwin awards? No.

Good post walford.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Did you see that the Leslie chick looks like getting out of it because she was with a government ministers son at the time.

:)

[Zorro C9]

Hahahaha. That makes me smile.

[walford]

And therin lies the crux of this debate. Do you feel sorry for a guy offered money to play russian roulette with 5 in the chamber? No. Do you feel sorry for the people who make the darwin awards? No.

Good post walford.Having been close to some f*ck-ups over the years, I am sincerely sympathetic toward the family and friends though. They suffer the most -- and tend to second guess/blame themselves.

[BarkingSquirrel]

So, have they put this mutt to sleep yet or what?

[Flagg]

This situation reminds me of that American kid living in Singapore in the 90's who got busted for spray painting a car.

A very minor offense in most western countries worthy of a slap on the wrist.

But in Singapore.....where the cost of car ownership is staggering and even petty crime has a zero tolerance policy the kid had a date with a rattan cane.

Major news story......but at the end of the day, after all the protests, he got the cane...their country, their rules.

I place a high value on human life and think it's unfortunate this Aussie is going to die......

BUT having been through Singapore on a number of occasions it is IMPOSSIBLE to miss the signs that display the severity of committing certain criminal acts....and opportunities are available to dump smuggled goods prior to customs screening.

The moron made an extremely high risk, low reward gamble with his life and rolled F'n snake-eyes.

No one gives a poop about someone from China getting executed for drug smuggling in Singapore or Malaysia...why should I care just because the fella happens to be white like me?

[ogukuo72]

I believe his name was Michael Fay. And he did more than just spray painting cars. He and his friends - all from privileged expatriate background - tore down public phone booths, broke windows, and - yes - damaged cars.

If it was truly a simple air brushing of the car, a single incident might have been over looked, but an organised group of foreign teenagers going around destroying public and private properties of the country hosting them was another thing.

On top of that, President Bill Clinton had to personally intervene. What was a small country to do? Let the teenagers go because the US told us to? To apply a different standard of the law just because these teenagers were the kids of rich foreigners?

[Playtime]

Pretty much sums up the mood of the populance in the region. The vast majority of whom do not speak/write english or access the internet, thus their opinions are unheard by the Australian people/govt.

Some Aussie politicians are threatening punitive diplomatic/political actions to "save" the mules. If that happens, I'd bet the Indonesian govt would hang the Bali 9 earlier just to make a point.

http://littlespeck.com/region/CForeign-AustNZ-051120.htm

Australia's
Unceasing drug flow
Trick is to stop its citizens bringing drugs into our region and then protesting about tough punishment when they're caught. By Seah Chiang Nee.
Nov 20, 2005
Unless the trend is reversed, Canberra could one day become a major supplier of drug traffickers for Southeast Asia that even its mandatory death sentence could not stop.
In the same way that Pakistan or Saudi Arabia are considered to be a source to produce Islamic militants to the world.
And heavens forbid if that should happen, Australian leaders would then have a busy time running around persuading the region's governments to go easy on criminals.
More important is the potential friction between Canberra, which bars capital punishment and countries like Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand etc, which have tough lasw against drugs, including mandatory death for trafficking.
Two facts make it a potentially explosive issue if the two sides were to handle it wrongly.
1. Many Australians have little faith in the courts and the administration of justice in Southeast Asia, and
2. They passionately believe that Australians should not be 'humiliated" or punished by developing countries who may be corrupt or inefficient. There is a widespread denial mood, arguing the accused are somehow the victims of circumstances.
Besides, the Canberra government and the people do not regard drug taking or trafficking as seriously as the their counterparts in Southeast Asia.

Explaining Australia's concerns, one Australian wrote:

"A factor contributing to concern about the death penalty in ASEAN is the failure of ASEAN governments to release information about judicial executions carried out in their countries. In several of the countries executions have been carried out in secret. The lack of official statistics means that the true number of executions remains unknown. There is also very little public information about prisoners currently on death row in the majority of the countries."
Ultimately, the problem lies in the rising number of Australians who deal in drugs or use them in the region. They are available and cheap. Some resort to traffic them in Australia or Europe.
One of them, naturalised Australian Nguyen Tuong Van, was caught in Singapore, admitted to the crime and was sentenced to be hanged on Dec 2.
Earlier a group known as the 'Bali Nine' was charged (with three facing death sentence) in Indonesia while two other Australian drug traffickers are on death row in Vietnam.
Other recent cases:
* A Bali court found Australian model Michelle Leslie guilty of using ecstasy and sentenced her to three months jail, a period of custody she has already served.
* Another Australian lady Schapelle Corby is serving a 20-year jail term for drug smuggling.
* Australian mine worker, John Michael Kelly, 45, arrested in East Kalimantan in September for allegedly using methamphetamine could spend the next five years in jail.
* Australian nurse has been arrested after allegedly trying to carry 3.2kg of heroin across the Swiss-Italian border.
* Former school teacher Graham Clifford Payne, 20, Adelaide, was arrested in Medan in August with a pouch full of methaphetamines and could be jailed for 20 years.
* A Sydney man, 30 arrived in Italy from Venezuela reported with 10 kg of high-quality cocaine hidden in false bottoms of his luggage. He was arrested while preparing to board a flight to Turkey and faces 20 years in prison

At the moment 11 Australians are languishing in Bali jails on drug charges, yet as an Australian blogger says they are still doing it. He adds:-

"Any Australian who gets arrested in another country on drug related charges now, after the goings on in Indonesia in the past year, would have to be pretty damned stupid, and totally blind to the world happening around them, more specifically, the perils of being a drug-trafficker or user. It's ridiculous for anybody to think that Australian travellers aren't being scrutinised or singled-out by Customs in other countries.."

In a letter to Jakarta Post, Indonesian Y.Saputra said he hoped "the Australian government should do more to prevent its citizens from trafficking drugs to Indonesia".

Other, he added, Australians would continue to remain in jail or face the death sentence.
By Seah Chiang Nee

[Zorro C9]

I'm a bit pissed off at the Aussie government over their continued intrusions into other country's internal affairs. It's quite frankly none of their business.

If a Singaporean tried to smuggle drugs in Sydney, I'm 100% sure there wouldn't be this "outrage".

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

You can be pissed off all you want.

It is a governments responsibility to look after it's citizens.

As for intrusions. Give me a legitimate case of Australia interfering in the internal going on's in another country?

[Zorro C9]

Singapore, Indonesia. John Howard putting the word on these respective countries.

When the leader of another nation tries to convince another leader to let someone go, even when that person has clearly broken laws, it's interferance.

I'll tell you what. The next time I hear of a Kiwi being arrested in Australia I'll make a big fuss on here and see if I can't get the PM involved.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

You be suprised what goes on behind the doors in the world of foreign relations. Back door deals, you scratch my back I'll scratch yours.

It's been going on since the dawn of time.

And as I said. It's a countries responsibility to look after it's citizens who have found themselves in trouble in foreign lands. Our nation opposes all instances of the death penelty. An Australian faces execution next week.

As for interfering in the internal going on's in another country. Should I point out that many of the countries in the region are propped up by Australia?

East Timor, Vanauatu, Solomon Islands, PNG, Nauru, New Caladonia, Indonesia are all benefactors of Australian good will. Even New Zealand would struggle without Australian help. I highly doubt you could handle the massive influx of unemployed kiwis that reside here if we kicked them out.

[Zorro C9]

That's a cheap shot.

I could take about your unemployed trophy cabinets, but I won't.

[sickofpretenders]

You can be pissed off all you want.

It is a governments responsibility to look after it's citizens.

Steady on there tiger. Are you sure that you personally have never bitched about the US government doing just that?

[dacanadianbomb]

And its ultimately the citizens responsibility to make sure they dont break the law.

[catalyst]

It is a governments responsibility to look after it's citizens.

and


And its ultimately the citizens responsibility to make sure they dont break the law.
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Clearly they broke the law and should have to sit out what is handed to them...or in this Glen Waverley gentlemans issue....he will have to hang it out....you see.....we 'visit' these nations.....we dont merely go to them!