Some GROM (Polish Special Forces Unit) Photos

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http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_01.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_02.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_06.jpg
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http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_08.jpg

Courtesy of Andrzej

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http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_03.jpg
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http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_05.jpg

Courtesy of Andrzej

[Seoulstriker]

those GROM forces are so damn hardcore.


thanks, REMOV!!! woot woot woot woot woot

[intelligenzija]

thank you Remov ! :hug:

[Kitsune]

Yeah, Remov, cool !!! woot

[wholagun]

hey remov whats happening with the new Grom leader. I know the old one Polko (spelling0 resigned becausae of differences over training and where the unit was heading etc. Is this good or bad for Grom?

[Marmot1]

hey remov whats happening with the new Grom leader. I know the old one Polko (spelling0 resigned becausae of differences over training and where the unit was heading etc. Is this good or bad for Grom?
I would say bad very bad.... many comanders left grom... very bad to polish SF... very....

Yoda say Polko good was...

[wholagun]

****...I knew it. only when things were getting good something has to go wrong.

[Marmot1]

****...I knew it. only when things were getting good something has to go wrong.

Politicians Yoda say, Polko was to young and to dangerous to "old" generals so they needed to kick him to save their positions... Polko not first and not last.....
Many would be kick just observe situation in next months...

[Nizark]

awesome pics!

[REMOV]

whats happening with the new Grom leader.Nothing, Col. Tadeusz Sapierzyński, as far as I know is OK.

I know the old one Polko (spelling0 resigned becausae of differences over training and where the unit was heading etc.This is only Col. Polko's unofficial statement.

Is this good or bad for Grom?I'm not a clairvoyant, I'm afraid. Every change in well known unit like GROM is cause for the media speculations, lots of opinions, rumors etc. And every leader has its own vision of his unit. Sometimes the vision is accepted sometimes not.

[REMOV]

Polko was to young and to dangerous to "old" generals so they needed to kick him to save their positions...Don't you think this is a very childish explanation? The conspiracy theory, "bad generals" and "good colonel", the young and the old etc. Yes I know, this naturally explains everything is simple, cathy etc.

[4_tune]

thanx man, great photos! :hug:

[perdurabo]

there is an iterviev with him in polish edition of Playboy and in few months will be interviev with mr.Kossek (russians !NOT AGAIN!)

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http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_10.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_11.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_12.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_13.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_20.jpg

Courtesy of Andrzej

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http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_14.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_15.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_16.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_17.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_18.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_19.jpg

Courtesy of Andrzej

[perdurabo]

front grip on PK and non metal ammo box i heard about this but never before seen pics.

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http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_21.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_22.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_23.jpg
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http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_28.jpg
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http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_30.jpg

Courtesy of Andrzej

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http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_31.jpg
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http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_33.jpg
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http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_35.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_36.jpg

Courtesy of Andrzej

[Russian Texan]

there is an iterviev with him in polish edition of Playboy and in few months will be interviev with mr.Kossek (russians !NOT AGAIN!)

Actually me and Tony6 had this issue clarified and resolved through PM so you can relax. From what I understand he is rather odd figure in Polish SF and sort of a "freelancer" with lots of good friends around the world.
Interview with a "Playboy", wow, that is definitely the way to educate the world bout polish SF :)
Is it going to be "local" Playboy or the American one?

[perdurabo]

there is an iterviev with him in polish edition of Playboy and in few months will be interviev with mr.Kossek (russians !NOT AGAIN!)

Actually me and Tony6 had this issue clarified and resolved through PM so you can relax. From what I understand he is rather odd figure in Polish SF and sort of a "freelancer" with lots of good friends around the world.
Interview with a "Playboy", wow, that is definitely the way to educate the world bout polish SF :)
Is it going to be "local" Playboy or the American one?
happy to hear that. local one. (misa thinking WTF two "big polish komando rambo supa supa in playboy...) I will buy both and try to translate it and post it here of coz without any copyrights :D

[Sorbas2000]

Does Poland only has GROM as a SF unit? How about Police, Land Forces and Naval Forces? Is GROM also for SO within Poland responsible? Actually I see them in Anti-Terror (Police) action, in assault action and in naval operations!

For example Bulgaria has following SOF:

Ministry of Inferior:
- COBT (400 men, Anti-Terror, Anti-Drug-Anti-Crime)
- 28 SWAT units for police operations (each 12-18 members)
- Anti-Terror units of national Gendarmerie

Land Forces:
- SOF unit of Military Police
- Special Operations Battalion 500 men (Commandos, Anti-Terror, Sabotage)
- Paratrooper Recce Regiment

Naval Forces:
- Combat Divers 50 men ("Black Sea Sharks") for Anti-Terror, Sabotage, Hostage rescue [equivalent to Navy SEALS]

[perdurabo]

no Grom is the biggest and moust known but there is Formoza witch is navy unit moustly combat divers. ther are police swat teams caled SPAT and comand of swat BOA (snake but also Biuro Operacji Antyterrorystycznych -Antiterror Operations Office)
and there is Rangers unit - 1PSK from lubliniec...
Other units: border guard has one unit for "special operations", ABW witch is polish conterinteligence agency has one to high risk arrestments, also polish railway police made one but from this unit only border guard is enought good rest are only litle better than normal police:)

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Sorbas2000:

Do you have any pics of Bulgarian SOF ?

[Sorbas2000]

Sorbas2000:

Do you have any pics of Bulgarian SOF ?

Pictures and information about bulgarian SOF are very very rare. Attached you will find fome pictures from naval SOF, I have found on military newspaper. but these are all "official" pictures...nothing really interesting. As far as I know, they use Glock and SIG pistols, AK-47, M4A1, Steyr sniper rifles, 5.56mm AR-M4SF (bulgarian sub-MG in 5.56mm) and so on.

http://www.bgarmy.eamci.bg/Scripts/isapiVWB.dll/docpic?PICID=14013
http://www.bgarmy.eamci.bg/Scripts/isapiVWB.dll/docpic?PICID=12624
http://www.bgarmy.eamci.bg/Scripts/isapiVWB.dll/docpic?PICID=14302
http://www.bgarmy.eamci.bg/Scripts/isapiVWB.dll/docpic?PICID=8568
http://www.bgarmy.eamci.bg/Scripts/isapiVWB.dll/docpic?PICID=8569
http://www.bgarmy.eamci.bg/Scripts/isapiVWB.dll/docpic?PICID=9858
http://www.bgarmy.eamci.bg/Scripts/isapiVWB.dll/docpic?PICID=6040

There are also some pictures from Special Forces of land forces, which are actually in Iraq:

http://bgarmy.eamci.bg/Scripts/isapiVWB.dll/docpic?PICID=15767
http://bgarmy.eamci.bg/Scripts/isapiVWB.dll/docpic?PICID=15768
http://bgarmy.eamci.bg/Scripts/isapiVWB.dll/docpic?PICID=15770

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Thanks... :)

[tony6]

Actually me and Tony6 had this issue clarified and resolved through PM so you can relax. From what I understand he is rather odd figure in Polish SF and sort of a "freelancer" with lots of good friends around the world.
Interview with a "Playboy", wow, that is definitely the way to educate the world bout polish SF
Is it going to be "local" Playboy or the American one?
I told You-guy is controversial but You have to admit he's got good Public Relations :D
I think it will be only in "local" playboy (if it's true).

[Russian Texan]

Anyone who is featured in Playboy is good at something ;)

You guys should definitely post the article here, with cenetfold pictures :lol:

From what I understand the reason he is so controversial is because he advocates some russian techniques while all of the Poland, including its military, moves into western direction, righ?

[tony6]

You guys should definitely post the article here, with cenetfold pictures
Particulary photos! Maybe some CQB training with some hot SWAT babes?:)


From what I understand the reason he is so controversial is because he advocates some russian techniques while all of the Poland, including its military, moves into western direction, righ?
That also but he generally critisize SPAT (police) units training method and organisation. He is more like police instructor-his military experience is rather poor (as far as I know).

[tony6]

Calling him a "freelancer" is a good way to put it.

[perdurabo]

Anyone who is featured in Playboy is good at something ;)

You guys should definitely post the article here, with cenetfold pictures :lol:

From what I understand the reason he is so controversial is because he advocates some russian techniques while all of the Poland, including its military, moves into western direction, righ?
yes also he takes everything what is good and makes "shake" frome it :P he isn't liked because our govt said "we are so super and we could du dubrovka beter blahblahblah" and he said that no we couldn't we aren't prepared and we should do lot's of hard work to be and we also should train alongside with russian and izraelis counter terrorism units, you know our gov still tells us how GROM is great etc. but they dont do CT inside and they are military SF unit besides we don't have enough transportation capability....
as for the playboy if i buy it (i'm little short of money) you will have both interviev and pics :P

[tony6]

http://www.sail-ho.pl/~wizal/GROM/grom_2.jpg
http://www.sail-ho.pl/~wizal/GROM/grom_16.jpg

[tony6]

yes also he takes everything what is good and makes "shake" frome it he isn't liked because our govt said "we are so super and we could du dubrovka beter blahblahblah" and he said that no we couldn't we aren't prepared and we should do lot's of hard work to be and we also should train alongside with russian and izraelis counter terrorism units, you know our gov still tells us how GROM is great etc. but they dont do CT inside and they are military SF unit besides we don't have enough transportation capability....
GROM is doing CT inside! (for example Warsaw subway)
What he critisize is that there was no big complicated exercise after Dubrovka (in theatre etc.) and government keeps tellin' that "there is no risk of terrorist attacks in Poland" and bull**** like this.
Also Polish SF units don't have proper support (for example special air unit with helispoters for extractions) - they have to use common air cavalry helos. And he is right about it.

[perdurabo]

GROM is doing CT inside! (for example Warsaw subway)
What he critisize is that there was no big complicated exercise after Dubrovka (in theatre etc.) and government keeps tellin' that "there is no risk of terrorist attacks in Poland" and bull**** like this.
Also Polish SF units don't have proper support (for example special air unit with helispoters for extractions) - they have to use common air cavalry helos. And he is right about it.
they train inside :) but CT job inside country belongs to SPAT units (BOA) :) and about rest you have right sadly:(

[tony6]

they train inside but CT job inside country belongs to SPAT units (BOA) and about rest you have right sadly:(
Yeah-but newest government document "national security strategy" allows military units to react inside the country in special cases.

[Marmot1]

Polko was to young and to dangerous to "old" generals so they needed to kick him to save their positions...Don't you think this is a very childish explanation? The conspiracy theory, "bad generals" and "good colonel", the young and the old etc. Yes I know, this naturally explains everything is simple, cathy etc.
Childish... well i know a lot of oficers from our army from leutenants to generals so don't say that it's childish... "old" oficers are afraid of young ones especialy those educatwd in the west... one of my relatives who was colonel was dismised from army becouse some stupid reason(oficialy) and unoficialy his comander say to him something like : "you hoped to take my position???" its polish army "old guards" are afraid of young wolves... we need couple of years to change it... remember all except one of our generals AFAIK finished military studies in moscow or western block countries...

[Argo AdAm]

[...]and there is Rangers unit - 1PSK from lubliniec...

1 PSK is not like 75th Rangers Rgt. but rather like US Special Forces Group. Commandos from Lubliniec operate in 6-men special teams.

I found something about how they were organized in Al Kut in Iraq ( I know that part of them were stationed in Al Hilla also)
(http://orbat.com/site/agtwopen/iraq_mndsouthcenter.pdf.)


"Special forces coy from 1 Special Commandos Reg. from Lubliniec.
TO&E: 56 troops, 10 Honker utility trucks
HQ: commander and deputy commander with Honker utility truck
3x SF platoon of 18 soldiers (3x 6 person SF team)
SF team:
- leader assault rifle mod. 96,
- sniper SAKO TRG 21 sniper rifle,
- scout/RATELO assault rifle mod. 96 with 40mm under barrel Pallad grenade launcher,
- sapper assault rifle mod. 96 with NV sight PCS 5 Gabro,
- machine gunner MMG PK,
- driver SMG PM84P Glauberyt and RPG7N with NV sight;
Team has 3 VHF radios 1 RRC 9200, 2 Radmor 3501, one GPS, 1 Honker utility truck all team members has 9mm para pistol WIST94/L 4"

[Dave the Dawg]

Somewhat ironic, considering the thread's twists, here is a picture of the outgoing and incoming GROM commanders, taken from the online journal, "Bulgarian Army", and an article, in Bulgarian, on GROM: http://bgarmy.eamci.bg/Scripts/isapiVWB.dll/doc?THEMEID=31692

http://bgarmy.eamci.bg/Scripts/isapiVWB.dll/docpic?PICID=15898

[wholagun]

man Grom needs to get new gear, its looking pretty old.

[Russian Texan]

man Grom needs to get new gear, its looking pretty old.

Since when does a gear make a soldier?
Like for example: some complete moron, just like yourself (sorry couldn't resist :) ) can get the latest gear and still be a looser...
What don't you like about their gear anyways?

[wholagun]

man Grom needs to get new gear, its looking pretty old.

Since when does a gear make a soldier?
Like for example: some complete moron, just like yourself (sorry couldn't resist :) ) can get the latest gear and still be a looser...
What don't you like about their gear anyways?

Ok several reasons 1) have you seen the Polish Police anti terror's equipment?
2) Whats wrong with wanting new gear, unlike you I can resist, why do you assume that I think that gear makes the soldier. I don't see the worlds best forces use cheap crappy weapons. Grom uses good weapons no doubt about that but I would like to see them get a decent chopper.
3)googles are abit old though ;) Look kinda funny.. I don't like it when I see police having better gear then Grom a military unit. Now I do understand that bought equipment recently, and that this years military budget is for special forces (someone here told me that) so they will get more equipment sooner.
Remeber the weight of the equipment your carrying is cubed by the amount of time you've been carrying it. (or somehting like that)

I really like how you assumed alot in your post above p-)

ah yes one last thing. Actually I don't buy military equipment, why? Because I choose to spend it on univerity tuition, so that I can prove to people like you that I am not a moron. ;)

[tony6]

Since when does a gear make a soldier?
I agree with that.
Besides-don't You just love those PKMs with foregrip? :D

[volfram]

[quote="REMOV"]
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_19.jpg

As you talking about foregrip,guy in a midle has m4 with two foregrip.Rather rare.

[CX20]

Would this be controllable when firing from this position?? Surely the recoil would knock him over. I've never used the PKM, is it light enough to be used in this way?

http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_13.jpg

[Royal]

Would this be controllable when firing from this position?? Surely the recoil would knock him over. I've never used the PKM, is it light enough to be used in this way?

http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_13.jpg

I've seen Gimpy's and M60's fired this way from the standing position - but you've got to be pretty strong to do it ;)

[Chmiel]

I've been using PKM in that position few times. It's very controlable and easy to aim during shooting - by it's weight. But during my service this style of PKM's shooting wasn't so popular... because all PKM - soldiers in my company were midget - size. :D

[Dominique]

[...]and there is Rangers unit - 1PSK from lubliniec...

1 PSK is not like 75th Rangers Rgt. but rather like US Special Forces Group. Commandos from Lubliniec operate in 6-men special teams.
"[/quote]

I'm not Polish nor I'm am very familiar with the 1 PSK, but from what I've read, the unit is very similar to the old LRRP/Ranger companies and performs missions that would be conducted by either the 75th Ranger Regiment or a LRSU.

US Army Special Forces not really raider or commando units, their primary function is to conduct unconventional warfare (organizing resistance groups, guerillas, counter insurgency, etc.). They can and do perfrom direct action and recon missions, but its not their primary job.

[mack pl]

I think US RANGERS(75th Regiment) are only better infantry, they aren't special forces.1 Special Commando Regiment is something more than only infantry. They are similar to US Green Berrets.Sorry for my english.It's my first post on this forum woot Pozdrawiam rodaków :D

[Dominique]

No need to apologize, English is my native language and I still screw it up :lol:.

The reason I say they are more like the older Ranger/LRRP units of the Vietnam era is this. LRRP/Ranger companies perfromed reconnaissance missions, raids, prisoner snatches, etc. in small 6-8 man teams. Some of the European based LRRP teams were even trained to parachute in and plant SADM nuclear devices (Army SF "Green Light" teams were alos trained along with Navy SEALs, UDT, and SDV teams).

From the info I gathered up for my little profile of the unit, the comparison with the 75th Ranger Regiment, LRSU, and Pathfinders seems to fit. I could be wrong.

Remov?

[mack pl]

Ranger's and 1 Special Commando Regiment are 2 different units. Why? Hmm. I think, 75th Regiment is for direct action's, air landing(like in Kandahar 2001), and this is theirs primary job in battlefield. They could be used like a LRRP , but it's not theirs primary rule. I guess our 1 Regiment could working only in 6 person teams, so they couldnt fight like Rangers in all members squad( i mean 1000 soldiers for example). I could be wrong in my opinion, no ones perfect. I dont trying tell you are wrong, but my opinion about 1Reg. is very simple-they arent like rangers.Its too many (maybe not many, few)differents.The biggest differents is style of fighting. maybe in vietnam rangers are like LRRP, and fighting in 6-8 person teams, but it was in vietnam. Now, they are different unit. OK. I hope, i dont talk nonsense :|

[wholagun]

witam do forum.

[mack pl]

Witam na forum.Hello woot

[wholagun]

Witam na forum.Hello woot

oh jezu, :cantbeli: na nie do... :oops: I live in Canada, speak Polish just fine, but writing / reading, well that a differnt matter.

[tony6]

oh jezu, na nie do... I live in Canada, speak Polish just fine, but writing / reading, well that a differnt matter.
Well-Polish language is supposed to be one of the 10 most difficult languages in the world-so relax:)

[mack pl]

Yeah, relax :lol:

[Argo AdAm]

I'm not Polish nor I'm am very familiar with the 1 PSK, but from what I've read, the unit is very similar to the old LRRP/Ranger companies and performs missions that would be conducted by either the 75th Ranger Regiment or a LRSU.
From what I know about 1 PSK, the main tasks for this unit are: direct action, special reconnaisance, unconventional warfare, sabotage, CSAR , supporting hostage rescue actions (or doing it on their own) and underwater actions (combat divers company). It may be interesting that from time to time they perform special exercises wearing even civilian clothes, when on the specified area the police, military police and other soldiers are searching for them and trying to catch them.

Info from Polish Ministry Of Defence site (www.mil.wp.pl):


COMMANDOS FROM LUBLINIEC

1st Special Regiment from Lubliniec refers with its traditions to the history of the 2nd Commando Battalion of the Special Motorized Battalion and "Parasol" [eng. umbrella] and "Zoska" Sabotage Battalion ["underground" Homeland Army during W.W. II]. The unit is characterized by very high training levels owing to the special training system introduced in Polish units for several years now. Typical activities the the 1st Commando Regiment soldiers are trained in: group landing from a helicopter, reconnaissance activities, ambushes, attack and retreat, camouflage, frogmen attack and parachuting, unarmed and armed combat, 40-kilometer marches in full gear. The unit aims to become fully profession. Soldiers of the 1st Regiment are also trained in activities behind the front line, espionage data collection, reconnaissance, defensive raids and hostage rescue.

Candidates first go through [selection and] basic training and then a 3-month school for young specialists. Later 6-person special groups are created.
Regards ;)

[mack pl]

So, our 1SCR isn't like rangers. I hope they will have better weapons than now. I guess M4 A1RIS or HK G36K, are better than ours wz.96 Beryl.

[wholagun]

So, our 1SCR isn't like rangers. I hope they will have better weapons than now. I guess M4 A1RIS or HK G36K, are better than ours wz.96 Beryl.

What so they are getting new wepaons and gear is that right? I heard that 2004 for year of the speical forces in the military budget.

wz 96 Beryl....I don't know much about it how good/bad is it really? I heard it is the same thing my dad shot the Onyks (spelling) when he was in the army expcet a differnt caliber, is that true?

[mack pl]

Onyks wz.89 -5,45 mm(its like russian AKSU74). Onyks wz.89 is shorter version of Tantal wz.88(like russian AK74). The were made in latest 80's. We made those rifles in kaliber 5,56 mm NATO, it was Tantal wz.89, an Onyks wz.91(or 93, i dont remember). Now Polish Army using Beryl wz.96-5,56mm NATo, and shorter version of it Mini-Beryl wz.96. Those guns are only little modification of AK47. They have different caliber, colour(black),bulb(im not sure of this word). So, this wepons arent good for special force, but our 1 Regiment still using it. You could show many pics of this rifles in Polish army in Iraq gallery, on this forum.About budget, i know only how many money have GROM. In one year they have something about 45 milions PLN(its 10 milions USD, maybe little more, im not economy student,hahah).The biggest problem of 1 Regiment is that, they dont buying theirs weapons by self, like GROM, i think.Maybe in future its changed.I like 1 Reg. because many of theirs soldiers studying in my univercity, they are from Lubliniec, near of my town, Czestochowa.So, Beryl is good for regular sunits, but is not a M4 or G36. :(

[Marmot1]

Beryl
http://www.fabrykabroni.pl/Foto/beryl.gif
Beryl in camo
http://www.fabrykabroni.pl/Foto/beryl_kam.gif
Mini-Beryl
http://www.fabrykabroni.pl/Foto/mini-beryl.gif
Mini-Beryl in camo
http://www.fabrykabroni.pl/Foto/mini_beryl_kam1.gif
Radom-Sport(civilian version single fire cal 223 Remington
http://www.fabrykabroni.pl/Foto/radom_sport.gif
PM-98/98s
http://www.fabrykabroni.pl/Foto/PM-98.gif

[wholagun]

Three questions:

1) what is that thing extending above the handel of the gun?
2) there isn't any vision/plan for getting new guns in the near future is there (we got alot of new stuff which cost alot of money F16, Patria etc) so Im guessing there isn't any hope for new guns for reguular army
3) is the 1st Special regiment getting new weapons like you said G36 or M4s ?

[mack pl]

Question No.2- i think polish army buying in every year Beryl wz.96(few thousand in year). But we have no plans to buy any new rifle, only GROM have new weapons, like M4, G36, SIG550 etc. So, i think 1 Reg. will not have new guns soon, its very sad.I think Beryl is good for regular troops(infantry) but not for SF. Better rifles are M4 or G36.Maybe US SF using AK47 in A-satan, but not always. I guess they are doing that because they could get ammo from killed enemys.

[Marmot1]

Three questions:

1) what is that thing extending above the handel of the gun?
2) there isn't any vision/plan for getting new guns in the near future is there (we got alot of new stuff which cost alot of money F16, Patria etc) so Im guessing there isn't any hope for new guns for reguular army
3) is the 1st Special regiment getting new weapons like you said G36 or M4s ?
1]wchich one on wchich gun?
2/3]for whole army AFAIK no, for SF maybe, grom for sure, 1PSK probably no, since beryl is quite good construction easy to maintain and since it's a AK clone it's also reliable and now it uses standard NATO amunition and standard nato mounting rail so why change it? even US SF and regulars use some AK in afganistan (not oficially)... I can provide you photos if you want but not today..

[wholagun]

http://www.imageshack.us/files/beryl_kam%20edit.GIF
http://www.imageshack.us/files/mini_beryl_kam1edit.GIF
this is what I am talking about. That thing sticking out, that is what Im talking about. looks like a sight, but Im not sure.

Buying Beryls every year 1000s of them :( ****. Oh well, guess we'll have to wait longer for newer guns. My only concern about Beryl is that is not as comfortable for the soldiers out in the field. But I don't know too much guns so I can't really judge beryl to another gun.

What about GPM general purpose machine gun in the Polish army, are those any good, compared to wetestern guns for example MG3 or M240.

[Herrmannek]

You are right....Those are iron sights...

[mack pl]

We have new UKM2000, its modernised PKM. PKM-7,62mm its russian type of ammo, now in UKM2000 we have 7,62x51 NATO caliber.This gun is good like M240 or M60(maybe better than last one).ukm2000D(desant) Iits version for paratroopers.

[REMOV]

http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_38.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/GROM/_GROM_37.jpg
Col. Polko (ex-unit leader) and GROM

[wholagun]

We have new UKM2000, its modernised PKM. PKM-7,62mm its russian type of ammo, now in UKM2000 we have 7,62x51 NATO caliber.This gun is good like M240 or M60(maybe better than last one).ukm2000D(desant) Iits version for paratroopers.

Hey you got any pics of the gun?

Remov nice pics, those guys kinda look like SAS guys. Where is this photo taken Iraq or Afghanistan?

[admar2]

GROM look like some serious warriors!

glad they're on our side.

[mack pl]

I dont have any pics of UKM2000, maybe Remov have, but i think is very similar(almost the same) to PKM.

[madmike]

Beryl's mounting rail isn't NATO standard; there's no possibility to use any standard aiming devices with this rail. And the main problem of this construction is that you have to calibrate your NV every time you take mounting rail out for cleaning the rifle for example.

[Argo AdAm]

Polish GROM in Iraq

These photos are from someone's private collection and were published in Polish magazine "Nowa Technika Wojskowa" (New Military Technics) nr 3/2004.
I put them to http://www.imageshack.us then here. Enjoy ;)

http://www.imageshack.us/img2/7645/GROM1Iraq.jpg
- after action on Mukarayin Dam in Iraq

http://www.imageshack.us/img2/5176/GROM2Iraq.jpg
- second from the right is col. Polko, GROM ex-commander

http://www.imageshack.us/img1/5323/GROM3Iraq.jpg

http://www.imageshack.us/img2/7554/GROM4Iraq.jpg

[dobi]

You can find many intresting photos on this site :
http://www.grom.tgw.com.pl/galeria_pliki/GALERIA.HTM