german WW2 battlefront pics

[sgtfcm]

original pics from Atlantic Pressebilderdienst - private collection.

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[towelie]

nice pictures

[V/E]

Very nice pictures, never seen any of them before !
woot woot woot

[larryzou]

Very nice pictures . thinks .

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

According to Stuka we should not post such pics.

Ze Germans were the bad guys.

But nice pics.

[HUAH]

I enjoy pictures of the the losing side. It makes me wonder how many survived.

[squarehead]

I enjoy pictures of the the losing side. It makes me wonder how many survived.

Both my grandfathers survived. Both fought in North Africa.

[un_swe]

Great pics, its this kind of pics from private collections that i like the most.
Never seen before.

un_swe

[sgtfcm]

Great pics, its this kind of pics from private collections that i like the most.
Never seen before.

un_swe

I do have the originals,although official propaganda pics,i think they are unpublished and though rare. They are military pics, but seems that many people here dont see the difference from military and political. Since they attract gross remarks (see also my other post on italian WW2 paratroopers) I am not willing to post more.

[Esszett]

One of my grandfathers survived the eastern front.
He jumped off a train after being captured by the Russians and fled. On an adventurous journey he made it back to Germany.
After the war he researched about his comrades of his company, captured togehter with him.
None of them seems to have come back from Russian prisonship.

[Conga]

I enjoy pictures of the the losing side. It makes me wonder how many survived.

It weren't that many.
My grandfather was a sergeant in the infantry and was shot in Warsaw by partisans but survived, my other grandfather wasn't drafted because he worked for a company that built the ventilations for u-boat bunkers.
One of my granduncles was shot by a sniper in Leningrad, my other granduncle served in the Waffen-SS and was on his way home when the russians stopped the train and arrested everyone with a blood type tattoo on the arm. He spent five years in a POW camp in Azerbaijan, but he survived.
Most weren't that lucky.

[Kitsune]

I enjoy pictures of the the losing side. It makes me wonder how many survived.

According to Overmans numbers roughly about 75 million Germans survived WWII.

:P

[Marmot1]

I do have the originals,although official propaganda pics,i think they are unpublished and though rare. They are military pics, but seems that many people here dont see the difference from military and political. Since they attract gross remarks (see also my other post on italian WW2 paratroopers) I am not willing to post more.

Don't do this, many ppl enjoy those pictures. My grandfathers fought against germans during WW2 yet I find it completly OK to see pictures, pictures don't kill, politics do.

[socom6]

No problems with pics of Wehrmacht or even SS units from WW2. We should avoid dictatorial tendencies here.

[towelie]

my paternal grandfather was an officer in the wehrmacht. He fought in poland, france, North Africa, and Russia. He survived just fine, and was taken prisoner by the british.

[chomstein]

Nice pixs.

But they're Nazi's...the whole lot of 'em. Jew hating bastards. The one's that were lucky, were the one's that were killed while they were young. I'm assuming (hoping) the older one's had to go to sleep every night thinking about what they did with their lives.

Scratch a German/Pole and not very far underneathe you'll find an anti-Semite.

[Backwoodshunter]

Wow, you're a genius arent you?

[VanLeeuwen]

Nice pixs.

But they're Nazi's...the whole lot of 'em. Jew hating bastards. The one's that were lucky, were the one's that were killed while they were young. I'm assuming (hoping) the older one's had to go to sleep every night thinking about what they did with their lives.

Scratch a German/Pole and not very far underneathe you'll find an anti-Semite.

What the **** man!!
You are a f***ing moron, those soldiers (not nazi's!!!) had to fight for their government, like every other soldier, even though their government had wrong ideals.
The ideals their leaders had are not per se the ideals the soldiers had!

It's not like every US Soldier in Iraq thinks he should be there too, think about it..

P.S.

I say again, I say again!! You are DUMB, D-u-m-b! December, uniform, mike, bravo.
Do you understand?

[chomstein]

Wow, your a genius arent you?

Intelligent yes, not a genius. Quite simple actually. You have enough family who lived in Poland pre-WW2...they tell stories. And then of course there's the family who I never really got a chance to speak to, because of the folks in these pixs.

Anyway, hate to ruin the nazi *** fest. Please continue.

[chomstein]

What the **** man!!
You are a f***ing moron, those soldiers (not nazi's!!!) had to fight for their government, like every other soldier, even though their government had wrong ideals.
The ideals their leaders had are not per se the ideals the soldiers had!

It's not like every US Soldier in Iraq thinks he should be there too, think about it..

P.S.

I say again, I say again!! You are DUMB, D-u-m-b! December, uniform, mike, bravo.
Do you understand?

What an idiot. Speak to Jews who lived in Germany/Poland before WW2. For the most part, the non-Jewish folks hated Jews. So I'm assuming that if your avg citizen hated Jews, they probably didn't love 'em much once they picked up a rifle. NAZIS!!!

[chomstein]

even though their government had wrong ideals.


That's good **** man. Do you even read what you post? "Wrong ideals?". Is that how you refer to what the Germans did for 7 f'ing years? You sound like a stormfront member. It takes more than a leader and his party to do the things that Germany did. Think about that.

[VanLeeuwen]

What an idiot. Speak to Jews who lived in Germany/Poland before WW2. For the most part, the non-Jewish folks hated Jews. So I'm assuming that if your avg citizen hated Jews, they probably didn't love 'em much once they picked up a rifle. NAZIS!!!

blablablablablablablablabla
you were saying?

[chomstein]

blablablablablablablablabla
you were saying?

Judging by your LACK of response, I came in loud and clear.

[beyond_the_silence]

German or not, they were all human, and they all suffered. They were all decent soldiers. That is what we need to remember when we see these pictures.

I believe that every soldier that fought in a honourable manner deserves respect on this fact alone.

Just my opinion.

[Jippo]

Scratch a German/Pole and not very far underneathe you'll find an anti-Semite.


I hope you earn a ban for that idiotism.

- jippo

[VanLeeuwen]

I just hate people like you who still act like you were there and like you are the victim.
No I am not a StormFront member, No I am not German, No I have no affinities for Nazi's what so ever.
Yes it happened, yes it is very sad, but you act like it is the fault of the germans who live in this era..
I don't know how much you've learned about history, but no-one knew about the mass murder of the jews untill the Allies found the deathcamps.
How the hell should the germans back then have known.
You act like they could have, but really they couldn't have..

addition:
Actually; Allied Intelligence found out, but they didn't do **** to help the jews, are you going to hold them responsible too? Or are you ok with them for buying of their guilt by giving the Jews the state Israel?

[chomstein]

I believe that every soldier that fought in a honourable manner deserves respect on this fact alone.

Just my opinion.

No. Not all soldiers fight with honor. Some do things (perhaps because of what they've been trained to do) that are akin to what sociopaths do. And soldiers aren't all cut from the same cloth. I see differences between an American soldier (upbringing re: family, country, etc) and a soldier enlisting in the German army during the '30's.

[VanLeeuwen]

No. Not all soldiers fight with honor. Some do things (perhaps because of what they've been trained to do) that are akin to what sociopaths do. And soldiers aren't all cut from the same cloth. I see differences between an American soldier (upbringing re: family, country, etc) and a soldier enlisting in the German army during the '30's.

From your perspective, which is forgetting that people have patriotic feelings, forgetting it was a time of economic distress and the army is a good way of making money and forgetting that not even Hitler knew he would destroy the jews 10 years later, you are 100% correct.

summarised: You have no idea, what you're on about.

[chomstein]

I don't know how much you've learned about history, but no-one knew about the mass murder of the jews untill the Allies found the deathcamps.

Wow, people like this really do exist. Amazing.


Or are you ok with them for buying of their guilt by giving the Jews the state Israel?

So VanLeeuwen...you don't hate Jews right? Nah, just Israel. So you visit Stormfront...what, 5...10 times per day?

[beyond_the_silence]

No. Not all soldiers fight with honor. Some do things (perhaps because of what they've been trained to do) that are akin to what sociopaths do. And soldiers aren't all cut from the same cloth. I see differences between an American soldier (upbringing re: family, country, etc) and a soldier enlisting in the German army during the '30's.

I did not say all fought with honour, I said all that did, deserve respect.

[chomstein]

From your perspective, which is forgetting that people have patriotic feelings, forgetting it was a time of economic distress and the army is a good way of making money and forgetting that not even Hitler knew he would destroy the jews 10 years later, you are 100% correct.

summarised: You have no idea, what you're on about.

And the anti-Jewish sentiments pre-1939 had no effect on a Germany's murderous actions? Uh huh. I'm sure the 9-11 had nothing to do with anti-American sentiments. Y'know...it's was merely economics and the lack of playstations in the Middle East that caused so much anger.

[VanLeeuwen]

Wow, people like this really do exist. Amazing.



So VanLeeuwen...you don't hate Jews right? Nah, just Israel. So you visit Stormfront...what, 5...10 times per day?


Wow, it's amazing, you really take everything out of it's context..
Hmm.. wait...
Let me think...
I can think about two political groups who liked taking things out of context to enforce their view on others..
The Commie's and the Nazi's
So what are you?

[sgtfcm]

German or not, they were all human, and they all suffered. They were all decent soldiers. That is what we need to remember when we see these pictures.

I believe that every soldier that fought in a honourable manner deserves respect on this fact alone.

Just my opinion.

which is also my opinion. This is a military forum, and political estremisms should should find a place elsewhere. Offending all the germans is not really a good sign of democracy or a balanced personality.

[minimus]

WWII German soldiers were responsible for many crimes. Vast majority of them behaved that way in the east. The chances are that the guys on the pics were in that majority.
Hitler, and what he stood for, had genuine popular support (decreasing towards the end of the war). Vast majority of German soldiers were doing what they were doing with great enthusiasm. It is therefore they who are also responsible (directly or indirectly) for the crimes committed in concentration camps, murdering civilians, etc by the people they were ultimately protecting and fighting for.

Therefore I would never pay any respect to a German soldier of WWII, unless he clearly and actively opposed Hitler and his cronies. Please note it does not mean that they all deserve to die.

Having said all this please remember that was two generations ago. Being anti German now because of the past is a little over the top. The same actually goes for your (chomstein) statement regarding all Poles being anti semites because of your relatives experiences pre WWII.

Peace

EDIT:
Oh yeah, one more thing: a lot of them (also civilians) new what was happening with the Jews, Russians, Poles, etc.

[Morboute]

And the anti-Jewish sentiments pre-1939 had no effect on a Germany's murderous actions? Uh huh. I'm sure the 9-11 had nothing to do with anti-American sentiments. Y'know...it's was merely economics and the lack of playstations in the Middle East that caused so much anger.

Maybe you should think of what caused those anti-American sentiments?
and just for the hell of it after 9-11 there was a mass hysteria of anti Arab/muslim sentiments, blaming them all for the actions of a few asshats.

If memory serves me right, USA had concentration camps during ww2 (under a more fancy name i asume), they didnt slaughter a group of people tho.
Used to concentrate Japanese-American's during WW2.

My guess is that they belived that the camps were there for the same reason USA had them, to concentrate a group of people that was concidered to be an enemy of the state.


*Edit* Great pictures btw, to bad that this asshat will probably cause this thread to be locked. :(

[toki]

I see differences between an American soldier (upbringing re: family, country, etc) and a soldier enlisting in the German army during the '30's.
enlisting sounds good. Many were ambitious, but no healthy young guy had a chance to avoid "enlisting".


Scratch a German/Pole and not very far underneathe you'll find an anti-Semite.
btw i just scratched myself... i couldn't find the antisemite.

I'm out of this thread... no need to respond.

[hammerlock]

WWII German soldiers were responsible for many crimes. Vast majority of them behaved that way in the east. The chances are that the guys on the pics were in that majority.
Hitler, and what he stood for, had genuine popular support (decreasing towards the end of the war). Vast majority of German soldiers were doing what they were doing with great enthusiasm. It is therefore they who are also responsible (directly or indirectly) for the crimes committed in concentration camps, murdering civilians, etc by the people they were ultimately protecting and fighting for..


Prove it. Where is your prove that majority of german soldiers comminted war crimes inthe east. If your talking about anti-Jewish sentiments they were world wide. People of all walks of life had those feeling in the US, Canada, the UK most of Europe, this just wasn't a German thing. But minimus if your going to claim that majority german soldiers acted this way prove it. give fact to back up your oponion. the war in the east was dirty from the get go on both sides. Most Germans had choice but to serve, and choice where they went and did what they were told to do. Just look at the balkens, its easy for normal aveage men be ordered to things only a few month before they would never do.


PS... to all this is not a defence of real german war crimes... but blanket statments prove nothing

[ABNINF]

Therefore I would never pay any respect to a German soldier of WWII, unless he clearly and actively opposed Hitler and his cronies. Please note it does not mean that they all deserve to die.

But the problem with that was, that if you actively opposed Hitler, you didn't live very long........ so not too many people openly opposed the government.

[minimus]

Prove it. Where is your prove that majority of german soldiers comminted war crimes inthe east. If your talking about anti-Jewish sentiments they were world wide. People of all walks of life had those feeling in the US, Canada, the UK most of Europe, this just wasn't a German thing. But minimus if your going to claim that majority german soldiers acted this way prove it. give fact to back up your oponion. the war in the east was dirty from the get go on both sides. Most Germans had choice but to serve, and choice where they went and did what they were told to do. Just look at the balkens, its easy for normal aveage men be ordered to things only a few month before they would never do.


PS... to all this is not a defence of real german war crimes... but blanket statments prove nothing

I don't have to prove nothing! WWII itself is a proof and the crimes committed thare are well documented.

Anti Jewish sentiments world wide??!! So how many concentration camps in the US, Canada, UK can you name.

Saying that the war in the east was a dirty thing is just a pathetic excuse. It was Hitler who was the author of the holocaust and the planned enslavement and extermination of slavs. He started the war. And had millions of supporters and followers defending his ideas with great beleif and enthusiasm.

[minimus]

But the problem with that was, that if you actively opposed Hitler, you didn't live very long........ so not too many people openly opposed the government.
Because too few opposed him. If the opposition to him was wide, WWII perhaps would never happen, or it would miss some elements which caused deaths of millions.

[sgtfcm]

WWII German soldiers were responsible for many crimes. Vast majority of them behaved that way in the east. The chances are that the guys on the pics were in that majority.
Hitler, and what he stood for, had genuine popular support (decreasing towards the end of the war). Vast majority of German soldiers were doing what they were doing with great enthusiasm. It is therefore they who are also responsible (directly or indirectly) for the crimes committed in concentration camps, murdering civilians, etc by the people they were ultimately protecting and fighting for.

Therefore I would never pay any respect to a German soldier of WWII, unless he clearly and actively opposed Hitler and his cronies. Please note it does not mean that they all deserve to die.

Having said all this please remember that was two generations ago. Being anti German now because of the past is a little over the top. The same actually goes for your (chomstein) statement regarding all Poles being anti semites because of your relatives experiences pre WWII.

Peace

EDIT:
Oh yeah, one more thing: a lot of them (also civilians) new what was happening with the Jews, Russians, Poles, etc.

nobody is trying to do an apology of WW2 Germany or deny the well known and documented crimes committed. But stating that "the majority" of german soldiers were natural born killers slaughtering unarmed civilians at the first chance is more or less the same of saying that every american soldier in Vietnam behaved like those in My Lai or in Iraq at Abu Greib. Its a gross generalization. What is disturbing is that in the name of "shot the nazi", every german becomes an executioner/war criminal.I saw this in my country too, anybody that wasnt a communist partisan was automatically labeled as "fascist" (there are well documented cases of mass killings, Partisan Brigade osoppo, catholic and non communist was ambushed and brutallyexecuted by red partisans of partisan Brigade Garibaldi, when the war was over.).

[Kitsune]

@chomstein:

Believe it or not. But the Nazi "era" is actually quite some exception in German history. During the 19th century or even the early 20th century including the 20ties, Germany was actually considered to be a very good place to live in as a Jew. (And you learn this if you talk with Jews who lived at the time).
So "scratch a German and you find an anti semite underneath" is quite some overstatement.

The real problem is this overall, lump sum evaluation of a people with complete disregard for individuality. "They are all like this...".
It does not matter wether its "scratch a Jew and you will find a greedy bloodsucker underneath " or "scratch a German and you will find a Nazi"...this way thinking is the same. (That leaves even out the possibility that one could be both, German and Jew at the same time.)

Have you ever thought about the question what one would find if you were scratched?

[v-twin]

Anti Jewish sentiments world wide??!! So how many concentration camps in the US, Canada, UK can you name.


Do you know that case of the Jews that tried to came to the Americas(their both was refused entry in both North and South America) but were sent back and no one cared about them?

It was a bad time in the human history, but why do Jews keep reviving it over and over again? Get over it people, no one hates you anymore, but if you keep crying about it(and I'm talking about people in their 20s and teenage years) you won't make that many friends either.

[DrMom]

Your inability to appreciate the sheer value and beauty of these pictures is obviously due to your anger towards the germans. You shoudlnt look at this picture as "Fvcking Krauts, they murdered people i didnt even know but are jewish so im using it as an excuse to vent my anger!" but look at it more as souvenirs from the last great war this world will ever see. A look back into the past, and you kind of feel like you are there. Fact is yes, most germans were and still are anti-semetic, as are most americans, most arabics, and mostly everyone who has been in contact with them. You can't tear this thread apart because these people "might" have taken part in killing jews, its just not fair to people who want to respond in a constructive way, yet are forced to comply with you blind rage. I feel the German army was one of the best armies ever known, and their soldiers were envied by all. War brings out the worst, and the best in men, and in a failing depressed Germany at the time, a very charasmatic man came along and pursuaded a very weak minded people. Is that wrong? I could come up with many different arguements agaisnt you, but just have respect for the people who come here to enjoy threads just to have it ruined by you. Thank you.

[v-twin]

And another thing: whenever there are pictures of German soldiere posted here, there's always a flame, and it's always either Russians or the Jews. Can you people shut up for once and just admire the photos? Yeah, you won the fvcking war, we know it, there's no need for you to yell it out on every thread.

[un_swe]

Thought this was militaryphotos.net not political bla bla .net
Im here for the pics.

un_swe

[hammerlock]

"I don't have to prove nothing! WWII itself is a proof and the crimes committed there are well documented."

true is well documented and the crimes were commitment, but your statement was the fast majority of Germans commitment these acts... that is not well documented. There is little proof the heer soldier did these acts, and was aware of any of the camps. If your better prove it, if not your full crap.

Anti Jewish sentiments world wide??!! So how many concentration camps in the US, Canada, UK can you name.

Anti-Jewish sentiments doesn't just mean concentration camps it mean much more than that. In North American Jews were barred from golf clubs, good jobs, looked on beaten up. That is all racist behavior by the way. I believe it was in 1938/39 when q Jewish ship escaping Germany was trying to find safe a port it was refused by both the US and Canada. ( king the Canadian PM at the time said there were already too many Jews in neigbourhood) If you want to be taken seriously back up your claims.

saying the majority of Germans commitment these is the same as saying majority of Russian want and have killed Chechens and commitment crimes.. which of course is just crap, much like your statements.