Req: Coastal artillery / fixed land artillery [Archive]

kinghk

10-28-2005, 04:13 PM

The coastal artillery:

http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/9846/360672813gp.jpg

Dunno what the English model description is, it was never exported to anyone except Norway. We refers to it as 75mm turret canon, the Swedish description is 75/57.

http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/5166/hemso397nm.jpg

Ditto.

http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/4602/940209553vp.jpg

This is the bigger brother, the 120mm turret canon or 12/70.

http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/7816/120mmnes33jr.jpg

Get some.

http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/9628/237361544lc.jpg

The candy store. Each grenade weights 46 kg, the grenade istelf weights 24 kg. Maximum range is 25000 meter, the batteries usally have 2 or 3 canons each, the canons is able to fire about 28 grenades a minute. The watercooled barrels is able to fire atleast 200 rounds without stop. The canons are 18 meter tall and weights 65000 kg. It's built on huge springs to be able to survice a nuclear attack.

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5770/stabsplatsnodutgang9oc.jpg

Emergency exit straight ahead.

http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/6100/237705275gl.jpg

Observation cupola.

http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/9589/341759973kx.jpg

Command central on 120mm turret canon.

http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/7236/560536104iv.jpg

Some older stuff, this is a 150mm Skoda built SKC/32

http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/3999/59139192pk.jpg

Torpedo in the water.

http://img498.imageshack.us/img498/4762/824338549ll.jpg

Hellfire missil used for mobile coastal artillery.

http://img498.imageshack.us/img498/6023/824376952wl.jpg

Hellfire missil, this pic was taken when the Norwegian Coastal Artillery were testing it out at Grøtavær fort.

http://img491.imageshack.us/img491/9807/bolarne8fy.jpg

127mm canon at Bolærne fort. Used for training after the 75mm turret canons was installed.

http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/7411/brettingen20dc.jpg

150mm SKC/28 canon at Brettingen fort.

http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/4778/brettingen49ly.jpg

ditto

http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/487/fjoloy4wf.jpg

127mm SKC/32 canon at Fjøløy fort

http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/2614/fjl18847ee.jpg

Ditto I believe.

http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/7088/grotevaer7lu.jpg

A couple 150mm SKC/28 canon at Grøtavær fort.

]http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/2302/krossodden3vi.jpg

105mm SKC/32L canon at Krossodden fort.

http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/6218/skrolsvik16ya.jpg

Yet another pic from Skrolvik fort.

http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/4328/sp0696da9tu.jpg

Opening for torpedo in an underground torpedo fortress.
http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/3728/sp0bf2bf9mn.jpg

ditto.

http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/4524/sp0bf2bc9bi.jpg
http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/4861/sp0bf2bd4py.jpg
http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/531/sp0bf2c05la.jpg
3 pics from the entrance to a torpedo fort at an undisclosed location in Norway.

If know that atleast you Swiss and Finnish guys got a lot of similar stuff, show me the pics.

sir-chimp

10-28-2005, 04:22 PM

That is awsome thank you for posting it.

Hrvoje

10-28-2005, 04:27 PM

Great pics!!!

Lazarou

10-28-2005, 05:34 PM

Impressive pics, thanks for posting them.

If know you Swiss and Finnish guys got a lot of similar stuff, show me the pics.

For some reason Finnish coastal arty pics are hard to find, but I found some pics from the coastal artillery museum in Kuivasaari near Helsinki:
http://www.hannulat.net/sakari/kuvia/Kuivasaari/kuvat.html

A few examples of the currently operational systems:

http://www.mil.fi/merivoimat/esikunta/toim_kalu_13053tk.jpg
130 53 TK (130 mm turret gun)

http://www.rannikonpuolustaja.fi/kuvat/100tk.jpg
100 56 TK (100 mm turret gun, made of a T-54/T-55 turret)

http://www.mil.fi/merivoimat/esikunta/toim_kalu_mto-85.jpg
MTO-85 (anti-ship missile m/85, aka RBS-15)

http://img498.imageshack.us/img498/1936/thumbnailphp3uh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
The new coastal missile Eurospike ER.
Note: the old people are not its operators, the guy in the uniform is.

Morboute

10-28-2005, 05:37 PM

the old ones are actually OMFG DELTAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!11

and great pictures btw. :D

afrographX

10-28-2005, 05:39 PM

really nice stuff, would like to see more of it :D

1Cie GevGn

10-28-2005, 06:37 PM

Fixed defenses; a monument to the stupidity of men. Who knows where's its from? :)

I visited the Belgian fortress of Ebel-Emael several times. A huge fortress, with massive coupola's, overlapping machinegun turrets,anti armour defenses and miles and miles of underground corridors. A complete city underground. 1200 men operated it. On the 9th of May 1940 they were attacked by 2 officers and 98 men. 3 days later the fort was surrendered. Belgian commanders called artillery from other forts down on their own fort, counterattacks were made, but nothing helped. And it was just the beginning. Great place to visit.

Lazarou

10-28-2005, 07:00 PM

Fixed defenses; a monument to the stupidity of men. Who knows where's its from? :)

I agree.
I'm amazed how the Norwegians seem to still have fixed artillery and fortifications in extensive use when the Swedish and Finnish defence forces are trying to get rid of them. The're too inflexible as weapon systems and easy targets for precision-guided weapons and other tools of modern warfare.

attackong

10-28-2005, 07:01 PM

Kick Ass Photos !

Kekkonen

10-28-2005, 07:09 PM

I agree.
I'm amazed how the Norwegians seem to still have fixed artillery and fortifications in extensive use when the Swedish and Finnish defence forces are trying to get rid of them. The're too inflexible as weapon systems and easy targets for precision-guided weapons and other tools of modern warfare.

During the Winter they were used quite successfully, except the battles in the quoted text belove they safeguarded the southern coast from an amphibious Soviet landing from Estonia/soutern Karelia. During the continuation war they were not used that much due to the Gulf of Finland being blocked for the Leningrad Navy. The success however was probably the reason why they kept the fixed coastal artillery system in the cold war. I´m sure heavy anti-shipping missiles available from the 1950´s would have been prefered, but no money for that. But noteworthy is that they already in 1939 got quite heavy damages and casualties, and of course would be totally slaughtered with modern guided precision-munitions.

- 1 December 1939 a short firefight between the Russarö fort (6 * 254 mm/50-BS , 6 * 75 mm/50-CM) and a soviet Task Force of cruiser Kirov accompanied by two class G destroyers. One of the destroyers was damaged and the soviet forces withdrew.

- 14 December 1939 a short firefight between the Utö fort (4 * 152 mm/45-C) and two soviet class G destroyers, which ended when a hit was spotted and the destroyers withdrew behind a smokescreen. Through the smoke explosions were seen and heard , and after the smoke dissipated only one destroyer was seen afloat.

- on 18 and 19 December 1939, a strong Soviet Task Forces led by battleships Marat and Oktjabrskaja Revolutsija bombarded the Saarenpää fort (6 * 254 mm/45-D , 2 * 152 mm/45-C) with the help of dozens of fighters and bombers. The Oktjabrskaja Revolutsija attacked on 18 December and Marat on the next day. The bombardment on the second day ended at 12.55 A.M., when a hit was seen on Marat's stern and it stopped firing and withdrew.
The Finnish fort suffered heavy material damage and some personnel casualties, but it was not knocked out.

Maskirovka

10-28-2005, 07:18 PM

Kekkonen

10-28-2005, 07:28 PM

However, I´m amazed that the finns still are fixed on mobile coastal artillery and have´nt got rid of it all together. Do the finnish politicians really see the russians attack them from the sea in a 10 year period from now?

The training for conscript crews to mobile coastal artillery, as in Russian 130 mm M-46 cannons, has recently been stopped and the cannons will be withdrawn from service, Finnish Navy´s Nylands brigade had a field artillery regiment with 36 of them. If you are referring to the MtO-85 missiles (SAAB Rbs 15) mounted on trucks they recently got an upgrade to boost their range, accuracy, resistance to jamming signals, and service life. The newly purchased Eurospike ER (that was bought to replace the cannons btw) will be in service for many years to come and are more flexible than the old cannons, meaning that they can bring them with them on missions abroad and so forth.

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/kalustoesittely/media/1082964740_130_K_54.jpg
130 K 54 aka M-46

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/kalustoesittely/media/1082964697_130_K_54_Amptar.jpg

Lazarou

10-28-2005, 07:57 PM

However, I´m amazed that the finns still are fixed on mobile coastal artillery and have´nt got rid of it all together. Do the finnish politicians really see the russians attack them from the sea in a 10 year period from now?

Well, they have attacked us during the last 1000 years... how many times? I believe that's a reason good enough to be ready for anything and anytime, whether it will happen an hour/month/year/decade/century from now.
And a 10-year time span isn't long enough when planning tactics, strategy or arms purchases.

TuNeRsHaRk

10-28-2005, 08:02 PM

Awsome Pictures, I was at the Old coastal artillery base at Oscarsborg, where the german Ship Blucher was sunk. and to my suprise they still had Modern artillery batteries there

These are the Old cannons that Sunk the german Ship Blucher during ww2

http://www.palmerstonforts.org.uk/gall/gallery21/large/nor19.jpg

http://www.spangsberg.esenet.dk/billeder/Oscarsborg/Oscarsborg5.jpg

http://www.fb1860.no/Bilder/Haaoya/Oscarsborg4.jpg

pretty interesting place to visit

V/E

10-28-2005, 08:03 PM

Tons of pictures of Coastal artillery in this thread http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=50016

Michael RVR

10-28-2005, 10:20 PM

great thread, thanks guys.

woot

larryzou

10-29-2005, 12:05 AM

Great pics, really nice would like to see more of it .

kinghk

10-29-2005, 07:29 AM

I agree.
I'm amazed how the Norwegians seem to still have fixed artillery and fortifications in extensive use when the Swedish and Finnish defence forces are trying to get rid of them.

They are all mothballed and the coastal artillery are trying to get rid of them.

The're too inflexible as weapon systems and easy targets for precision-guided weapons and other tools of modern warfare.
The torpedo batteries are not vulnerable for precision-guided weapons, they are built some hundred meters into the ground.

kinghk

10-29-2005, 07:33 AM

Awsome Pictures, I was at the Old coastal artillery base at Oscarsborg, where the german Ship Blucher was sunk. and to my suprise they still had Modern artillery batteries there

WTF are you talking about? There is no modern artillery at Oscarsborg, there is a canon there for training purposes for the NCO school, that's it. The torpedo battery was operative until late 90-ies thought.

These are the Old cannons that Sunk the german Ship Blucher during ww2

Along with the torpedo batteri and some other canons on the mainland.

U-S-S-R

10-29-2005, 07:44 AM

Very interesting. I think that huge fixed positions will make a comeback in a couple of decades after lasers/railguns etc improves.

Lazarou

10-29-2005, 07:47 AM

Very interesting. I think that huge fixed positions will make a comeback in a couple of decades after lasers/railguns etc improves.

That one made my day.

rofl

U-S-S-R

10-29-2005, 07:50 AM

That one made my day.

rofl

Yes I have a rich fantasy... :oops:

p-)

Imagine huge military installations in deserts power by the sun only needing elektricity to defend themselved.. Nothing being able to harm them thanks to supercomputers using lasers as countermeasures against everything, rockets, missiles, bullets, arty.

kinghk

10-29-2005, 08:08 AM

Article and a lot of pics regarding the 75 mm turret canon / 75/57.

http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/sites/f/femore_fort/index1.html

kinghk

10-29-2005, 09:11 AM

From the Swedish military hardware thread.

Those pictures are from a costalartillery fortress south of Stockholm (Femöre, Oxelösund).
http://www.oxelosund.net/femore/femorefortet/Bilder/image003.JPG
http://www.oxelosund.net/femore/femorefortet/Bilder/163-26.jpg
http://www.oxelosund.net/femore/femorefortet/Bilder/radar-rp.jpg
http://www.oxelosund.net/femore/femorefortet/Bilder/050612-sk10.jpg[/img ]
[IMG]http://www.oxelosund.net/femore/femorefortet/Bilder/image009.JPG
http://www.oxelosund.net/femore/femorefortet/Bilder/image013.JPG
The entrance to the fortress
http://www.oxelosund.net/femore/femorefortet/Bilder/image007.JPG
http://www.oxelosund.net/femore/femorefortet/Bilder/image011.JPG
http://www.oxelosund.net/femore/femorefortet/Bilder/163-34.jpg
http://www.oxelosund.net/femore/femorefortet/Bilder/Quarters.jpg
http://www.oxelosund.net/femore/femorefortet/Bilder/165-27.jpg
http://www.oxelosund.net/femore/femorefortet/Bilder/165-32.jpg

To big to post
http://web.telia.com/~u40803634/slaksnabel.jpg (http://web.telia.com/%7Eu40803634/slaksnabel.jpg)

columbie1

11-09-2005, 06:52 PM

Wow!! Nice pictures!! But some of them are actually military secrets!!I can see there is critisizm of the stationery coast artillery...... Well I think that can be discussed!! All talk of mobile units and preciseguided weapons are a little bit too much positive.Taking out a stationary artillery are not so easy it can seems. And it will cost the enemy a lot of resource. A ship is a easy target,and is finish with one shot!! Plane is also easy to take out!Theres all a matter of resource!!Ps: It is now a new museum nearby Brettingen fortress.A 105 cm gun, with command center!! Worth a visit!!I also miss a picture of the Austaat canon here!! (Trippelgun from the battleship Gneisenau)

larryzou

11-09-2005, 07:15 PM

really nice stuff,I sow the befor,thinks man.

Bulabash

11-10-2005, 04:16 AM

Maskirovka

11-10-2005, 05:03 AM

AFAIK coastal batteries shouldve gone out of fashion after WWII as it was proven at D-Day that they are largely ineffective and can be taken out quite easily, usually a combination of Large Shipborne weapon systems and direct assault by Commando's Para's etc. Go have a look at the remnants at the Normandy Beaches if u ever get the chance, very very interesting.

But you can´t compare the beaches of normandie with the archipelogy outside lets say Stockholm. Thousands and thousands of islands in various sizes scattered around and the oceanfloor looks the same, undersea rocks everywhere just beneath the surface. There are only so many passages were you can safely go with a large amphibious ship and you need a experienced navigator and a really good map to avoid running aground.

If you to those conditions add thousands of swedish elite coastal rangers (with Hellfire ASM), dozens of fixed and mobile coastal batteries, land-based ASM (RBS-15), controlled mines everywhere, fast FAC (missileboats) armed with RBS-15 or Penguin, the threat of enemy fighters (Viggen) armed with RBS-15 and enemy submarines, all of whom knows the area as the pawn of their own hand, you´ll see its a very special environment. :)

http://www.turist.aland.fi/gallery/temp/05032113191683.jpg
http://www.fango-taxibatar.valdemarsvik.nu/bilder/fangotaxi1.jpg
http://www.bioresurs.uu.se/myller/hav/hav_bild/skargard.jpg
http://www.vobam.se/images/Klint.JPG

konkurs

11-10-2005, 06:23 AM

Here is some pic. of the Yugoslavian coastal guns and fortification

http://community.webshots.com/album/73302784mwwHUU

http://community.webshots.com/album/86887046mzeAAR

http://community.webshots.com/album/94084888DooyhA

kinghk

11-10-2005, 06:47 AM

Wow!! Nice pictures!! But some of them are actually military secrets!!

Not really. TV2 showed some photos from Kråkvåg some months ago.
Both the position and the outside look of these spots are public info.

I also miss a picture of the Austaat canon here!! (Trippelgun from the battleship Gneisenau)
You live nearby, take a råne-trip out and shoot some pics :). Kråkvåg too, if the area is open for public access.

kinghk

11-10-2005, 07:54 AM

But you can´t compare the beaches of normandie with the archipelogy outside lets say Stockholm. Thousands and thousands of islands in various sizes scattered around and the oceanfloor looks the same, undersea rocks everywhere just beneath the surface.

Norway is even easier to defend, most towns are usally located at the end of some long thin fjord with countless good spots for artillery or torpedo batteries.

tenda

11-10-2005, 08:11 AM

really impressive costal defence system...!!!!!!!!!!woot

Maskirovka

11-10-2005, 08:12 AM

As late as in 1990-2000 Sweden had hundreds of fixed coastal/land battaries. Now they are all being scrapped.

In the fixed coastal artillery the most modern and lethal was the Bofors 12 cm m/70 ERSTA. Sweden built 18 of these, 18 more were planned but those were instead sold to norway (in the 80´s?)

http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload5/LO30.jpg
http://www.beredskapsmuseet.com/12700.JPG
http://www.beredskapsmuseet.com/127003.JPG
http://www.beredskapsmuseet.com/127010.JPG
http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload3/5-oja.JPG
http://hpbimg.artilleribatteriet.com/Tornpj.jpg

The most common fixed coastal artillery was the Bofors 7,5 cm m/57 "Femöresfortet". 90 was built between 1961-64 and they were last modernized in the late 80´s.
http://hpbimg.artilleribatteriet.com/Tornpjas%20sida.jpg
http://www.oxelosund.net/femore/femorefortet/Bilder/163-34.jpg
http://www.oxelosund.net/femore/femorefortet/Bilder/050521-skenkanon.jpg
http://www.oxelosund.net/femore/femorefortet/Bilder/image003.JPG
http://hpbimg.artilleribatteriet.com/Tornpjas%20front.jpg

These underground fortresses were built to sustain tactical nuclear/chemical attacks and were completely self-sufficient (in water, power, air, repair, support and so on). They were supported by other units from the army/marine when it came to minelaying, air-defence, ground-defence and similar things.

Other older fixed artillery were used both on land and in coastal areas. With guns often taken from navalships.

http://hpbimg.artilleribatteriet.com/TP50.jpg
http://hpbimg.artilleribatteriet.com/Quiz1_2.jpg
http://hpbimg.artilleribatteriet.com/LR1.jpg
http://hpbimg.artilleribatteriet.com/maja.jpg

The mobile coastal artillery consisted of 3 battalions of the modern Bofors 12 cm 12/80 KARIN. It was a developed version of the famous Bofors Howitz FH/77. Built in the 80´s it was scrapped only 15 years later.

http://hpbimg.artilleribatteriet.com/Kanon2.jpg
http://hpbimg.artilleribatteriet.com/LR.bmp
Another mobile gun was the 7,5 cm m/65.

And offcourse you had the ASM´s (land-ship missile actually) mounted on a truck (as the SAAB RBS-15) or standing alone (as the Hellfire or RBS-08)

Another fixed artillery that were very common was the "värnkanon". It was basicly a 7,5 cm or 3,7 cm gunturret that came from a tank. These were often manned by "2nd hand crew" like the homeguard or other army units. They were placed all over Sweden, to protect harbours, airfields and locations like that.
http://hpbimg.artilleribatteriet.com/Vkan.jpg

:)

tenda

11-10-2005, 08:35 AM

impressive...!!!
we use to have something similar in italy on the mountain and somewhere on the coast too...!!!!!!!:)

Maskirovka

11-10-2005, 08:49 AM

impressive...!!!
we use to have something similar in italy on the mountain and somewhere on the coast too...!!!!!!!:)

Many billions US$ were spent building these fortresses during the cold war. And now Sweden has to pay billions to scrap them :/

Another 7,5 cm.
http://my.tele2.ee/urki/berg01.jpg

and a 12cm KARIN
http://my.tele2.ee/urki/23_1_stor.jpg

12 cm ERSTA
http://my.tele2.ee/urki/23_2_stor.jpg

RBS 15 launched from a truck
http://my.tele2.ee/urki/toim_kalu_mto-85.jpg

a pic of the older missile RBS 08
http://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/img/arbm03/arbm_0307-d.jpg

and finally a weapon that actually isn´t scrapped yet, RBS 17 Hellfire
http://www.soldf.com/images/s_rb17skarp.jpg
http://www.soldf.com/images/s_rb17fire.jpg

corporal punishment

11-10-2005, 09:32 AM

great post kinghk...... thanks....

kinghk

11-10-2005, 09:48 AM

impressive...!!!
we use to have something similar in italy on the mountain and somewhere on the coast too...!!!!!!!:)

Where's the pics?

EsoognomEhT

11-10-2005, 09:56 AM

Ours all rusted away years ago hehe

variable

11-10-2005, 11:24 AM

Great pics, thanks a bunch for sharing!

Are any of these still operational and in service? I mean it's not like the russians have no fleet any more :-P

columbie1

11-10-2005, 12:05 PM

Regarding the Normandie,its understandible that the defence failed there! In Norway we have a totally different costal structure!! Many of the Norwegian fjords are small birth, so ship will be unable of any tactical manoevering there. Many cliffs and mountains goes "right down" into the sea,so its impossible to get soldiers onshore. Also the fortress are heavily armed with computerized rockets and machine canons.So its not so easy for planes to do damage! Also we have airbases near this fortresses.These fortress can also handle a nuclear bomb 300 metres away,without getting destroyed!!! That tells a little bit of the strenght!! Also they are ABC-proof, with overpressure!Regarding precission weapons,we have always seen in tv,the direct hits!But these weapons do actually miss time to time!The problem is that all the miss is not shown at tv, OFCOURSE!In a fight, all depends of recources!Battleships is gone with one hit! Thats not the same for a artillery!

columbie1

11-10-2005, 12:44 PM

One more thing: After the americans "blew up" the Brettingen fortress (exersise to blast mountain tunnels with nuclear weapons) , they concluted with that the fortress was like "unbeatible"!! Something to think about, when its said from the "master of modern warfere"!!!!!!!!!!!!!Everyone forget the 3 "roules" when we talk about warfere:1-economy 2- the will of fighting 3- The recourses avalible. And remember: Norways defence is only to protect us from the enemy untill the help from our allied comes (NATO)

Juusto

11-16-2005, 04:19 PM

Photos taken by my friend during his military service in Finnish defence forces.

http://www.q-elements.com/militaryphotos/tykki001.jpg
152/50 T (152 millimeter, 50 caliber coastalgun, model Canet, barrell from Tampella) Length of barrel is 7,6 meters, maximum range about 25 kilometers, practical rate of fire 4-6 grenades per minute. Crew: 1 non-commissioned officer and 12 privates. Not in use anymore.

http://www.q-elements.com/militaryphotos/tykki002.jpg
Model 130 TK. The turret's automatic reloading system is located in "tykkipiha" ("cannon yard"), an underground space right below the turret. The grenades, a dozen if I recall correctly, would be placed to a rotating carousel. Unfortunately the system is rather unreliable, and especially in show firings, reloading is done manually. Tools and other maintenance equipment is also stored there. Practice shell below carousel.

http://www.q-elements.com/militaryphotos/tykki003.jpg
Various electronic devides related to the guidance and aligning inside the turret. Earphones or -plugs are not needed while firing.

http://www.q-elements.com/militaryphotos/tykki004.jpg

http://www.q-elements.com/militaryphotos/tykki005.jpg

http://www.q-elements.com/militaryphotos/tykki006.jpg
The manufacturing year (1984) and number are engraved in the lock under Tampella logo.

http://www.q-elements.com/militaryphotos/tykki007.jpg
Rifles inside the barrel

http://www.q-elements.com/militaryphotos/tykki008.jpg
130 TK in standby mode. Apparently because of negligence by previous caretakers this turret was left "unlocked" and could be rotated manually by pushing the barrel. This would, of course, set off the motion detectors inside.

http://www.q-elements.com/militaryphotos/tykki009.jpg
When the turrets are in standby mode, the barrels are protected with fiberglass covers and turned towards the mainland.

http://koti.mbnet.fi/tuomasro/jotain/intti/P6140008.jpg
100 TK, grenade containers and come gunners seen trough a laser rangemeter.

http://koti.mbnet.fi/tuomasro/jotain/intti/P6160031.jpg
the LASU 2000 system, which consists of HALEM 2PA laser rangemeter, MATIS handheld thermal imaging device and SG-12F goniometer on a tripod by Nokia is connected to TUMILA (tulenjohdon ja mittauksen laskin, computer for fire control and metering), which will provide target information for main computer and finally to the turrets.

http://koti.mbnet.fi/tuomasro/jotain/intti/P6160018.jpg
An uncamouflaged fire control position on a small, rocky island some 15 km's from the main battery.

http://koti.mbnet.fi/tuomasro/jotain/intti/P6160033.jpg
The fire control positions are usually located far away from the turret batteries on small, bare rock islands.

http://koti.mbnet.fi/tuomasro/jotain/intti/P4270187.jpg
Typical finnish outer archipelago

http://koti.mbnet.fi/tuomasro/jotain/intti/P6160013.jpg
Fire control's mascot, lieutenant's little dog ;)

tenda

11-16-2005, 04:29 PM

very nice pic's....all looks in goo conditions...!!!p-)
....and nice dog too...!!!!!!!:hug:

houdakye

11-16-2005, 04:50 PM

My home away from home.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/31522196/31522196khkLLiGjHH
http://community.webshots.com/photo/118128326/118128326uTlpgl
http://community.webshots.com/photo/2390115/2390115zojmrFLCJA
http://community.webshots.com/photo/2390175/2390175wOwyVhXuIe
http://community.webshots.com/photo/2390236/2390236XfAfmLKjrS
http://community.webshots.com/photo/2390244/2390244PFpnlXgeco
http://community.webshots.com/photo/76152947/76152947kTdQQc
http://community.webshots.com/photo/55099360/55099360WuecIg
http://community.webshots.com/photo/55099363/55099363lCcdoM
http://community.webshots.com/photo/196277014/196277014WGnddG
http://community.webshots.com/photo/196277092/196277092xWDWOj

http://community.webshots.com/photo/117280183/118128479wBzzxZ

kinghk

11-16-2005, 05:38 PM

Excellent pics, Juusto.

Some more.

http://www.adressa.no/multimedia/archive/00610/_235_SKC32_Munkholm_610827b.jpg

Authentic ww2 photo from Munkholmen outside Trondheim in Norway. The Germans used this 10,5 cm SKC/32 cannon as an aa-gun, but the Norwegian armed forces used it as coastal artillery after ww2.

A week ago the canon was put back were it originally stood.

http://www.adressa.no/multimedia/archive/00610/Kanon_20Munkholmen__610828b.jpg
http://www.adressa.no/multimedia/archive/00610/Kanon_20Munkholmen__610829b.jpg

Huge-ass crane they used to lift the sucker. This canon weights "only" 14500 kg, this is the smallest coastal artillery cannon used in modern times in Norway.

Article http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/trondheim/article589084.ece#

kinghk

12-19-2005, 04:02 PM

http://tinypic.com/ivibec.jpg
Mine is bigger than yours.
http://tinypic.com/ivield.jpg
http://tinypic.com/ivif6b.jpg
http://tinypic.com/ivig43.jpg
http://tinypic.com/ivihqx.jpg
http://www.haraldsvik.no/images/austratt_fort.jpg

Gun commander

01-20-2006, 06:43 AM

Coastal artillery was obsolete after WW2? Bullsh*t! The allied had a rough time on those landing beaches. So the tank is obsolete because the americans made Saddams fleet of T55s to junk in the Gulf war? And, as have been written here before, the swedish archipelago is hard to force, with coastal defence mines, artillery- and missilebatteries as well as naval wessels, submarines and aircrafts. The modern batteries had a high level of protection, computorized fire-direction and a surprisingly high degree of accuracy. The 12/80 (never refered to as "Karin" by "us" crew) was able to hit a target 3 x 5 meter at a distance exceeding 25 km. I know, because I have done it several times. Each battery of four guns had two 40 mm anti-aircraft guns as well, a modern version of the famous "Bofors". So, taking out a KA-batteri m/80 with helicopters had not been a favourite task for the pilots.

Maskirovka

02-01-2006, 09:26 AM

At this page http://www.transit.se/~carlerk/ there are some pics of the swedish fixed coastal artillery wich I don´t think have been posted.

http://www.transit.se/~carlerk/img/EN_01.jpg

A 7,5/57 built 1972 and scrapped 2000 .

http://www.transit.se/~carlerk/img/BN_02.jpg

15,2/51 1958--2000.

http://www.transit.se/~carlerk/img/LN_01.jpg

7,5/57 1961--2000.

http://www.transit.se/~carlerk/img/OD_01.jpg

7,5/57 1964--1997.

http://www.transit.se/~carlerk/img/KO_01.jpg

15,2/98-36 1937/42--1992

http://www.transit.se/~carlerk/img/GE3_01.jpg

7,5/05-10 1957--1983

http://www.transit.se/~carlerk/img/HU_01.jpg

7,5/57 1963--1994

7,5/57
http://www.transit.se/~carlerk/img/75_57_1.jpg

http://www.transit.se/~carlerk/img/75_57_2.jpg

http://www.transit.se/~carlerk/img/75_57_3.jpg

http://www.transit.se/~carlerk/img/75_57_4.jpg

http://www.transit.se/~carlerk/img/75_57_in1.jpg

http://www.transit.se/~carlerk/img/75_57_in2.jpg

http://www.transit.se/~carlerk/img/75_57_in4.jpg

http://www.transit.se/~carlerk/img/75_57_in3.jpg

12/70 ERSTA

http://www.transit.se/~carlerk/img/12_70.jpg

Maskirovka

02-17-2006, 01:58 PM

A few picture from http://www.e.kth.se/~eskil/photos/utflykter/femores/ taken during a guided tour of the Bofors 7,5cm m/57.

30 of these fortresses were built, each fortress has three 7,5 cm guns and they are protected from nuclear or chemical attacks.

This fortress is now a museum.

Forward fire control periscope. The fire commandcentre is eight metres below in the mountain.
http://www.e.kth.se/~eskil/photos/utflykter/femores/img_0679.jpg

http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/sites/f/femore_fort/femore_fort65.jpg

A radar inside this cupola
http://www.e.kth.se/~eskil/photos/utflykter/femores/img_0680.jpg

One of the guns
http://www.e.kth.se/~eskil/photos/utflykter/femores/img_0681.jpg
http://www.e.kth.se/~eskil/photos/utflykter/femores/img_0682.jpg

Another one
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/sites/f/femore_fort/femore_fort28.jpg

Laser rangefinder
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/sites/f/femore_fort/femore_fort30.jpg

The entrance to the fort was disguised as a ordinary house. Entrance trough the house´s "garage"
http://www.e.kth.se/~eskil/photos/utflykter/femores/img_0684.jpg
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/sites/f/femore_fort/femore_fort75.jpg

A fake gun
http://www.e.kth.se/~eskil/photos/utflykter/femores/img_0685.jpg

Allso visit http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/sites/f/femore_fort/index1.html for some info (in english)

columbie1

02-17-2006, 02:04 PM

nice pic!! The only thing I dont like with this fortesses, is that the radar system is too wounerable

Maskirovka

02-17-2006, 03:02 PM

nice pic!! The only thing I dont like with this fortesses, is that the radar system is too wounerable

How do you mean? I´m not a coastal artillery guy but I believe they had several countermeasures against that. Fake radars, radar guidance from others sources , waterfog* against laserguided weapons, triple-A/ SAM´s and last but not least the ability to replace a broken radardome (the crew and commandcentre was protected under a mountain). I don´t see how the radarsystem is so vulnerable compared to other systems in the fortress. And if the radar is out the gunners just have to rely on laser rangefinders and direct fire, the ships have to pass trough their range anyway...
And radar-jamming/naval warfare I have no idea about.

*Water fog. Described in thread http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=60341&page=4. Tiny waterdrops sprayed in air creating a "fog" wich laser can´t penitrate or lock on to. Tested and used for over 10 years in Sweden mostly at fixed locations such as bridges and coastal artillery but allso on combat vehicles.

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/4120/cv90120f8si.jpg

el_kab0ng

02-17-2006, 04:44 PM

Who needs lasers with GPS guided warheads becoming so prolific?

columbie1

02-17-2006, 05:39 PM

How do you mean? I´m not a coastal artillery guy but I believe they had several countermeasures against that. Fake radars, radar guidance from others sources , waterfog* against laserguided weapons, triple-A/ SAM´s and last but not least the ability to replace a broken radardome (the crew and commandcentre was protected under a mountain). I don´t see how the radarsystem is so vulnerable compared to other systems in the fortress. And if the radar is out the gunners just have to rely on laser rangefinders and direct fire, the ships have to pass trough their range anyway...
And radar-jamming/naval warfare I have no idea about.

*Water fog. Described in thread http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=60341&page=4. Tiny waterdrops sprayed in air creating a "fog" wich laser can´t penitrate or lock on to. Tested and used for over 10 years in Sweden mostly at fixed locations such as bridges and coastal artillery but allso on combat vehicles.

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/4120/cv90120f8si.jpg
Well, radar beams is actually radiosignals, so they are easy to jam, and also easy targets for rockets. Without no plotting radars, the fix coastartillery batterys are almoust blind, but they do ofcourse have small ships in the the fjords to observe and guide the artillery, so they can have sucessfully hits. In the new fortresses they have radars who easily can be remotet up and down from the ground. Also they have many trick to fool the smart rockets there is so much fuzz about these days. Ps:excuse my bad english!!

columbie1

02-17-2006, 05:43 PM

I forgot to say they also have lasers to lock on the targets......

columbie1

02-17-2006, 05:46 PM

Who needs lasers with GPS guided warheads becoming so prolific?
You mean that everybody knows where the fixed artillery bases are lokated??

JoaMei

02-17-2006, 05:58 PM

You mean that everybody knows where the fixed artillery bases are lokated??

You always need lasers, even if you want to find out a targets location to call a GPS guided weapon.

kinghk

02-17-2006, 06:13 PM

Who needs lasers with GPS guided warheads becoming so prolific?

You need to hit straigh at the target, if you miss by 5 meters you'll make an expensive hole in the ground rather than destroying the canon.

kinghk

02-17-2006, 06:14 PM

You mean that everybody knows where the fixed artillery bases are lokated??

Ivan sure does, it's hard to disguise a coastal artillery battery - particullary during the construction process.

Maskirovka

02-17-2006, 06:27 PM

Ivan sure does, it's hard to disguise a coastal artillery battery - particullary during the construction process.

What about waterfog (multispektral vattendimma) that makes laserguided weapons useless?

kinghk

02-17-2006, 06:46 PM

What about waterfog (multispektral vattendimma) that makes laserguided weapons useless?

Waterfog will separate the laser beam and thus make the missile miss the target. In addition to this option, there is also possible to install Phalanx CIWS to shoot down incoming missiles.

Maskirovka

02-17-2006, 07:33 PM

Waterfog will separate the laser beam and thus make the missile miss the target. In addition to this option, there is also possible to install Phalanx CIWS to shoot down incoming missiles.

Yeah, but Phalanx CIWS werent really considered in the protection againt enemy fire in Sweden. At most we had some Bofors 40mm and RBS70.

But even againt a top notch foe like the us I still think the coastal artillery would stand a chance. (remember Kosova/Serbia). It´s hard to hit a building with LGB, its even harder to hit a single gun. And if your laser is jammed off it´s pretty darn impossible.