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Pille1234
10-31-2005, 09:56 AM
Berlusconi 'tried to dissuade Bush on Iraq'
Italy PM: Never convinced military force was best option
From CNN's Rome Bureau chief Alessio Vinci


Monday, October 31, 2005; Posted: 9:28 a.m. EST (14:28 GMT)

ROME, Italy (CNN) -- Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, a staunch U.S. ally on the war with Iraq, says he tried to steer U.S. President George W. Bush away from war with Iraq, saying he was "never convinced that war was the best way to succeed in bringing democracy to a country."

Berlusconi made his comments in an interview with Italian television LA7 on the eve of his trip to Washington. The two leaders are to meet in the Oval Office Monday.

"I was never convinced that war was the best way to succeed in bringing democracy to a country and in leading it out of a bloody dictatorship," Berlusconi said in the interview.

"On the contrary, I tried on numerous occasions to convince the American president not to go to war. I did what was within my capabilities to avoid that happening."

Berlusconi, who remained a staunch Bush supporter at a time when European leaders in France and Germany were outwardly criticizing the administration's Iraq policy, said he tried to contact leaders in the Middle East, including Libya's Moammar Gadhafi, in an effort to avoid war with Iraq.

"We did not succeed and war followed," he said.

Berlusconi is one of the few leaders who has met with Bush at both Camp David and Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas.

But Berlusconi's comments come at a time when he is facing a tough re-election battle next year, and his remarks are clearly aimed at domestic consumption back home where most Italians have opposed thw war.

Italy did not participate in the war with Iraq -- and Berlusconi reminded the audience of that in the interview. However, Italy did send some 3,000 troops there after the United Nations voted a mandate for reconstruction. Berlusconi earlier this year said Italy should begin a gradual withdrawal.

His opponent in next year's election, Romano Prodi, has always maintained war was the wrong approach, and that he would withdraw Italian troops should he win the elections.



Out of a sudden everyone was against the war! That is embarrassing how he is trying to wriggle out of this. If you're losing the office, at least leave with honor. And people called Chirac a worm...

Rantanplan
10-31-2005, 10:20 AM
wh0es teh w3asel n0w m0therfukka!!!

Tsunami
10-31-2005, 11:13 AM
:slap:...no comment about Berlusconi' words......

Count Lippe
10-31-2005, 11:47 AM
Adriano Celentano 4 Prez!woot

Rantanplan
10-31-2005, 11:58 AM
Adriano Celentano 4 Prez!woot


x2000000000

Icarus1
10-31-2005, 12:32 PM
Wouldn't believe a guy who is one of the most corrupt presidents of the world. One who ownes all the major TV stations in his o****ry and uses them for his own propoganda. Sorry, but i live in a neighbourstate of Italy, and the italians are really nice people, but their president sucks and it wouldn't be the first time he lies to get votes in his country...

ed316
10-31-2005, 12:33 PM
Election ploy pandering for Votes...pure and simple.

Freibier
10-31-2005, 01:08 PM
Berlusconi is such a sleazy bastard rofl rofl

Oh and a face-lifting fag aswell rofl

thibaud
10-31-2005, 01:33 PM
Berlusconi is such a sleazy bastard rofl rofl

Oh and a face-lifting fag aswell rofl


the joke i'm waiting is the bliar one

Solo
10-31-2005, 01:47 PM
Wouldn't believe a guy who is one of the most corrupt presidents of the world. One who ownes all the major TV stations in his o****ry and uses them for his own propoganda. Sorry, but i live in a neighbourstate of Italy, and the italians are really nice people, but their president sucks and it wouldn't be the first time he lies to get votes in his country...
Berlusconi is Italian, and he represents the Italians in many ways. I do thank you for saying that Italians are nice people, but it has to be said that they actually chose their prime minister. To not keep this in mind would be either irrealistic or hipocrite.
Italy is weird. And the more time goes by, the clownier it gets. I am rather sick to be here. It is a country I no longer fit in, or don't want to fit in.

Omaha
10-31-2005, 03:18 PM
Berlusconi is Italian, and he represents the Italians in many ways. I do thank you for saying that Italians are nice people, but it has to be said that they actually chose their prime minister. To not keep this in mind would be either irrealistic or hipocrite.
Italy is weird. And the more time goes by, the clownier it gets. I am rather sick to be here. It is a country I no longer fit in, or don't want to fit in.


Italy is like an old run down house. Has lots of potential, just needs to be cleaned out.

Isn't it common place for upwards of 5 people running for Prime minister??

Red
10-31-2005, 04:20 PM
You guys on this site are so funny.Now Italy and Berlusconi are bad guys because the are not saying things you like.G'damn

Solo
10-31-2005, 04:39 PM
Red,
no. My vision - living here in Italy - is a bit more complex than that.
Apart from Berlusconi and his latest declarations - which may remind though of sudden changes of the past, in which Italy has never clearly taken a position and stuck with it for good - it is the general situation here that I - frankly - dislike. I had a chance to live abroad for some periods of my life, and I am ending up missing some aspects of the life that I enjoyed elsewhere.

I share the view of Omaha, it is truly and old and run down house.
I am currently visiting southern Italy these days, we have had 4 days of holidays (aren't we famous for our holidays, too) and I decided I'd come down here. Broken roads, old buildings and inefficiency is to say the least, common here. And not only in the south anymore, for the last few years.

Omaha
10-31-2005, 04:56 PM
Red,
I am currently visiting southern Italy these days, we have had 4 days of holidays (aren't we famous for our holidays, too) and I decided I'd come down here. Broken roads, old buildings and inefficiency is to say the least, common here. And not only in the south anymore, for the last few years.

I vacationed in Sicily and the Salerno/Naples regions a few years ago. Some parts were....rustic to say the least.

Solo
10-31-2005, 05:05 PM
I vacationed in Sicily and the Salerno/Naples regions a few years ago. Some parts were....rustic to say the least.

I seem to know that too well already. Like you said, big potential.




But that's about it, apart from scarce exceptions.

I am looking to get me a getaway in California, maybe San Diego. Soon.

Lt-Col A. Tack
10-31-2005, 05:11 PM
Would any of the Italian forum members here say some of the problems in Italy are related to illegal immigration?

Solo
10-31-2005, 05:24 PM
Would any of the Italian forum members here say some of the problems in Italy are related to illegal immigration?
Hard to say if it is a cause - the immigration - or an effect of some of the many problems we are facing.
Some crime, still minor, is definitely due to that. We don't seem to be able to stop the illegal immigration. By minor I still include whole prostitution and drug chains where Albanians, Rumeni, north Africans and the like hold the game. Still minor comapred to our 'Ndrangheta (Mafia-like) level of organization.
If I had to categorize our problems, I'd end up tomorrow. Trying to summurize it up, the mind of the people here (everywhere, north to south) is still too narrow. Just like we have too many old houses around, we don't seem to be able to abruptly break with huge portions of our past and move on.

This ends up being bad on all accounts for us, always.
Makes sense?

Lt-Col A. Tack
10-31-2005, 06:19 PM
Hard to say if it is a cause - the immigration - or an effect of some of the many problems we are facing.
Some crime, still minor, is definitely due to that. We don't seem to be able to stop the illegal immigration. By minor I still include whole prostitution and drug chains where Albanians, Rumeni, north Africans and the like hold the game. Still minor comapred to our 'Ndrangheta (Mafia-like) level of organization.
If I had to categorize our problems, I'd end up tomorrow. Trying to summurize it up, the mind of the people here (everywhere, north to south) is still too narrow. Just like we have too many old houses around, we don't seem to be able to abruptly break with huge portions of our past and move on.

This ends up being bad on all accounts for us, always.
Makes sense?
Actually, that does help. Thanks for the reply :)

I was just curious. I had the impression Italy was one of the gateways into Europe. Illegal immigration in the US is a problem, although I think most simply want a job and aren't likely to cause problems.

Solo
11-01-2005, 10:29 AM
Actually, that does help. Thanks for the reply :)

I was just curious. I had the impression Italy was one of the gateways into Europe. Illegal immigration in the US is a problem, although I think most simply want a job and aren't likely to cause problems.

My pleasure, talking to you guys helped me to vent a little.
Yes Italy is indeed one of the gates to EU, and I too think most of the immigrants would just want a job (especially the north Africans).
Sadly, many of them won't find any job and will just fall to the darkside.