Rifle

[cchccrowder]

Ok, so im turning 18 this november and i would like to purchase a rifle. I would like something that i can plink with and hunt with, but also be in a caliber that is cheap and widely available. I do not want a .22 but maybe something like a .308 or .223 or even a 30'06 . I was thinking something along the lines of a Mini-14 or 30 or possibly something like a remington or savage bolt action? many suggestions are welcome. thanks for your time.

[Limeyfellow]

Ok, so im turning 18 this november and i would like to purchase a rifle. I would like something that i can plink with and hunt with, but also be in a caliber that is cheap and widely available. I do not want a .22 but maybe something like a .308 or .223 or even a 30'06 . I was thinking something along the lines of a Mini-14 or 30 or possibly something like a remington or savage bolt action? many suggestions are welcome. thanks for your time.

If you are hunting, I wouldn't get something in .223 since its not a legal hunting caliber in most states.

Since cost seems a big thing I would look at an SKS, and that will let you hunt small deer and on down, 8-10cent a round ammo and a rifle that will cost you under a $100. Depending on what you want to hunt you will probrobly need something with a bit more stopping power however.

[GreatWarAZUS]

I agree. An SKS would be an excellent choice. Affordable weapon, affordable ammo. Not much more you can ask for.

-GreatWarAZUS

[cchccrowder]

thanks guys

[ramy]

How about a Bushmaster M4gery ?
:D

RRA is good stuff too !

[dangerdan87]

How about a Bushmaster M4gery ?
:D

RRA is good stuff too !

In some states, it's illegal to hunt with an AR. If if it is legal, the gun must not hold more than 11 rnds, so that limits you to a 10rd mag.

I hear good things about 22-250's and .243's.

I own a .243 and made great shots with it. I now use a .308 that I use for hunting and long range shooting.

The 308 I have is a Remington VS with a Harris bipod and a Simmons 44 Mag scope. It's pretty much an all-round purpose rifle. I can hit spent rifle casings at 100 yards with ease and coke cans at 600 yards like a piece of cake.

Pic of my .308:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/Dope%20and%20Beer/015.jpg

And my AR (waiting for the carry handle to come in):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/Dope%20and%20Beer/005.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/Dope%20and%20Beer/006.jpg
I now have a Surfire clamp-on red filter on my light now.

[TuNeRsHaRk]

http://www.mossberg.com/atr/100_atr.htm

you should check out the Mossberg ATR100
it comes in .270 WIN as well as 30-06, i bought mine in.270 WIN for only like 280$ new
and for that price i thought it was going to be crap but this thing is awsome, Shoots great. i dont think it could perform any better

[cchccrowder]

oh trust me if i was older i would get an M4 preferrably one of those Bushmaster lowers with an LMT upper... or maybe one of those MRPs that everyones drooling over.. maybe something like... http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/7995/145mrpsmgleeclttactical0of.th.jpg (http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=145mrpsmgleeclttactical0of.jpg)

^the 14.5 inch mrp from SMGlee (CLtactical)

oooorr a 14.5 mrp from MSTN or !!
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/9523/105mrpmstnminihogueovera2grip4.th.jpg (http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=105mrpmstnminihogueovera2grip4.jpg)

my personal favorite
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/4989/105lmtupperolympiclowerjpsingl.th.jpg (http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=105lmtupperolympiclowerjpsingl.jpg)
im not sure whos this is... but if you see this picture.. YES i like your AR its awesome. lmt upper, olympic lower, with tigger kit and the works.. NICE.

haha yeah that be sweet.. but considering im applying to a military college and stuff, i dont think theyd let me carry around anything like that so i figured i can get a cheap rifle to shoot with before and maybe during and after get a nice one like that.. : )

besides ill only be 18.. ; )

*edited because its late, im studying for physics and grammer can be gay.*

[cchccrowder]

http://www.mossberg.com/atr/100_atr.htm

you should check out the Mossberg ATR100
it comes in .270 WIN as well as 30-06, i bought mine in.270 WIN for only like 280$ new
and for that price i thought it was going to be crap but this thing is awsome, Shoots great. i dont think it could perform any better

that mossberg looks nice price and ammo wise.. ill definitly check it out.

i think it will be between that one and a savage in .308 with the "accu" trigger

[dangerdan87]

oh trust me if i was older i would get an M4 preferrably one of those Bushmaster lowers with an LMT upper... or maybe one of those MRPs that everyones drooling over.. maybe something like... http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/7995/145mrpsmgleeclttactical0of.th.jpg (http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=145mrpsmgleeclttactical0of.jpg)

^the 14.5 inch mrp from SMGlee (CLtactical)

oooorr a 14.5 mrp from MSTN or !!
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/9523/105mrpmstnminihogueovera2grip4.th.jpg (http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=105mrpmstnminihogueovera2grip4.jpg)

my personal favorite
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/4989/105lmtupperolympiclowerjpsingl.th.jpg (http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=105lmtupperolympiclowerjpsingl.jpg)
im not sure whos this is... but if you see this picture.. YES i like your AR its awesome. lmt upper, olympic lower, with tigger kit and the works.. NICE.

haha yeah that be sweet.. but considering im applying to a military college and stuff, i dont think theyd let me carry around anything like that so i figured i can get a cheap rifle to shoot with before and maybe during and after get a nice one like that.. : )

besides ill only be 18.. ; )

*edited because its late, im studying for physics and grammer can be gay.*

I wouldnt even count on getting a 14.5" barreled (or shorter) M4.
14.5" (and shorter) AR's (AK's too etc) are SBR's and you need a Class 3 or a SBR license to own legally. The license is a $200 tax fee and a few month wait (on average). Not to mention, you have to be 21 years of age to qualify for the Class 3 and SBR license from the ATF.
Aslo, 99.9% of anybody that sells guns, wont sell SBR's and Class 3 weapons without the buyer having the propper license.

The shortest AR barrel you can have legally w/o license, is a 14.7" barrel w/ a permanent A2 flashhider or a 14.5" barrel with a permantant phantom flash hider, or a 11.5" barrel w/ a permanant 5.5" flash hider.

The barrel length has be 16" or more w/o having to pay the ATF tax fee.


ASLO: Those rifle pics you posted....are no where near cheap....

[cchccrowder]

I wouldnt even count on getting a 14.5" barreled (or shorter) M4.
14.5" (and shorter) AR's (AK's too etc) are SBR's and you need a Class 3 or a SBR license to own legally. The license is a $200 tax fee and a few month wait (on average). Not to mention, you have to be 21 years of age to qualify for the Class 3 and SBR license from the ATF.
Aslo, 99.9% of anybody that sells guns, wont sell SBR's and Class 3 weapons without the buyer having the propper license.

The shortest AR barrel you can have legally w/o license, is a 14.7" barrel w/ a permanent A2 flashhider or a 14.5" barrel with a permantant phantom flash hider, or a 11.5" barrel w/ a permanant 5.5" flash hider.

The barrel length has be 16" or more w/o having to pay the ATF tax fee.


ASLO: Those rifle pics you posted....are no where near cheap....


i know thats why i said...
"oh trust me if i was older i would get...."
by then ill have enough money and ill be old enough.. i was just responding to the post about the RRA

[CLB]

Either an SKS or Mosin Nagant I would suggest. Cheap guns that can work wonders and cheap rounds that also works wonders.

[Delta11]

I KNOW I KNOW!!! go get a british PIPE GUN!!!!1 the Sten gun from world war II. u can just wastes a whole clip on the animal or beat it to death n u wont loose a fortune since u can repair it in ur garage with just a couple of pipes.

[Major Maxillary]

http://upload.localnetsys.com/upload/october05/m1-398.jpg

the rounds can be made into hollowpoints with sandpaper and a drill.

or you can load your own .30 rounds.

failing that, a Mosin Nagant.

[Zamboni]

My first rifle was a Swedish Mauser 6.5x55mm for a little over $100.

I have heard that Mini-14s and -30s are fun to shoot at the range but not much good for anything else, but I have never shot one.

SKSs are cheap and fun and very sturdy. But if you have the cash, I say go for the best of the AK knockoffs that you can afford; you probably can't hunt with them, but its good for everything else.

[dangerdan87]

So...if he's going to be hunting....then why is everyone posting military rifles?

Just get a bolt action 22-250. Those things are awsome, or a bolt action .308 rifle from Remington, or Winchester.

There's an abundant amount of .308 out there. Cabelas has 200 linked 150gr 7.62X51 FMJ NATO (L21A2) rounds for like $60 I think. Those are great for plinking.

Although, I dont recommend tracers, but they are fun.

[thunderw]

Yugo M48A Mauser

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/thunderw21/memauseredited.jpg

[crinkler]

Whats your budget? If $1k or over go with the ar-15. If under go with a nice bolt action rifle. The mini is fine and dandy for screwing around but anything beyond that it just doesnt cut it.

And if you need cheap ammo stay away from the 30.06 most of the surplus 30.06 the korean crap and so on I have shot was just that crap. Your looking at around $.40 a shot with the 30.06 for cheap ammo.

[St Fubar]

the rounds can be made into hollowpoints with sandpaper and a drill.

Something I would never suggest doing. In the good old days, people managed to kill themselves by doing just that.

[Major Maxillary]

Something I would never suggest doing. In the good old days, people managed to kill themselves by doing just that.

you make it sound like they would still be loaded on the case.

it's really easy to do; pull the bullet, put the bullet in a vice, then sand away the copper on the nose, then drill a little hole in it, and if you want cut the hollow with a knife, then you reload the round.

or you could just buy ready-made hollow points and load them.

.30 bullets aren't hard to come by.