Chinese Soldier

[West]

http://img.bbs4.tom.com/army/upload_img/1/200308/pic_1062321457.jpg

[Seraphim]

Tiananmen Square right?

[erazer76]

hey its frosty!

[Marmot1]

I wonder how he looked next hour and then 2 hours later :lol:

[erazer76]

sorry

[Tengu]

hahahah rofl

[West]

haha
like this?


I take it as a personal injury to every solder.

[Seraphim]

Just like the guards in the US who guards the unknown soldier. All you noobs stfu.

[erazer76]

im in the service also
dutch corporal
but it was a little joke :hug:

[BlackRain]

Victims of Tiananmen Massacre ~ Beijing, June 4th, 1989

http://www.cnd.org/HYPLAN/yawei/june4th/wwb5.jpg
Recovering Civilian victims

http://www.cnd.org/HYPLAN/yawei/june4th/wmr1a.jpg
Crushed by Red Army Tank Tread - Graphic Image Warning for Panty Wastes

http://www.cnd.org/June4th/photos/mascr015.gif
PLA soldiers, with guns pointing at the students on TAM, stand in front of the Great Hall of the People. The gun fire from one of the guns can be seen in the picture.

http://www.cnd.org/June4th/photos/mascr016.gif
Tiananmen Square, and the area of Chang'an Boulevard in front of it, became an armed camp after more than 200 tanks came into the city overnight.

http://www.cnd.org/June4th/photos/mascr017.gif
Ten armed soldiers beating a student to death in TAM Square during the massacre .

http://museums.cnd.org/June4th/photos/mascr018.gif
Beijing citizens show bullets and shells to news reporters.

[Seraphim]

Hey thats great you idiot...its against forums rules to post graphic photos without discretion...Im eating a pizza pop right now, looks the same.

Edited for typo

[NcDeuce]

Remove that image, that's some graphic stuff. Post a warning and a link. :cantbeli:

[BlackRain]

Fast Forward to Present Day Tiananmen Square

Surely, oppression of freedom, state-sactioned murder, and intimidation doesn't still continue in Tiananmen Square?

http://www.faluninfo.net/gallery/images/PersecutionMeetsPrinciple/FootOnHead_medium.jpg
Plainclothes police hold a knife to a Falun Gong practitioner's throat on Tiananmen Square

http://museums.cnd.org/June4th/photos/mascr003.gif
Tanks and a dead body on Tiananmen Square at dawn of June 4th


List of Known Victims

http://perso.club-internet.fr/ebellefr/victim.htm

[BlackRain]

Hey thats great you idiot...its against forums rules to post graphic photos without discretion...Im eating a pizza pop right now, looks the same.

Edited for typo


I am just curious Seraphim?

Why did you object to a historical photo documenting the injuries inflicted on civilians in China but did not say anything about the giant ***** photo posted by erazer76?

Surely, that would constitute a "graphic photo" to most men?

[Seraphim]

What are your points of these photos? Stop trolling...

*cough* Kent State U *cough*

http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/05/04/kent.state.revisit/story.famous.kent.st.gif

[Seraphim]

Hey thats great you idiot...its against forums rules to post graphic photos without discretion...Im eating a pizza pop right now, looks the same.

Edited for typo


I am just curious Seraphim?

Why did you object to a historical photo documenting the injuries inflicted on civilians in China but did not say anything about the giant ***** photo posted by erazer76?

Surely, that would constitute a "graphic photo" to most men?

Me telling them to all stfu...does that count? Look up and read. And calling us panty "wastes"...discussion of graphic photos have been over and done with...Administrator doesnt like it, so you have to follow the rules if you want to be on the board. If not..get the **** out.

[erazer76]

i want to apolligize for that pic
i didnt mean to create this mess
i just thought this topic whas created about a soldier that has snow on him
not knowing the it whas about that political event
for that i apolligize
and sorry for the english
:(

[NOKIA--G21]

sorry rofl rofl LOL

[Jack Mehoff]

Communist sucks

[[AFSOC]]

Holla

[SFontaine]

What are your points of these photos? Stop trolling...

*cough* Kent State U *cough*

http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/05/04/kent.state.revisit/story.famous.kent.st.gif

Yeah too bad the US doesn't regularly shoot protestors. That's the one time it happened.

[non-zero possibility]

Thank god its only happend once right...

[Haiw]

Yeah too bad the US doesn't regularly shoot protestors. That's the one time it happened.
Yeah...it's about time we get ourselves a nice bloody saturday so U2 can make another nice song... :roll:

[duck]

Yup, the Dutch colonial wars and the accompanying slaughter in Indonesia were not limited to a Saturday.

[Haiw]

:roll:
Thanks for bringing up something that was so incredibly related to the debate...

You might wanna read up on your history though...it wasn't a civie slaughterfest.

[duck]

Always glad to shock the militaryphotos monkey. BTW, I wouldn't have known of the whole thing if a Dutch friend had not taken up the subject over beer once. Do you have any good sources?

[Seraphim]

What are your points of these photos? Stop trolling...

*cough* Kent State U *cough*

http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/05/04/kent.state.revisit/story.famous.kent.st.gif

Yeah too bad the US doesn't regularly shoot protestors. That's the one time it happened.


1969 New York
Does the LA riots count?

[Haiw]

Always glad to shock the militaryphotos monkey. BTW, I wouldn't have known of the whole thing if a Dutch friend had not taken up the subject over beer once. Do you have any good sources?
Not really...most of the stuff I know about it is from what my old neighbour told me. He fought there (and got shot like 5 or 6 times, he has a scar on his nose from a bullet that scratched him there...lucky guy :D)

BTW I thought budanski and Trigger were the forum monkeys? :P

[Jack Mehoff]

Let me get this straight

Chinese govt=a bullet in your brain if you ever protest against their suppressive government.

LA riot=a bunch of cops with itchy finger. They are individuals and they don't represent this country? Until George Bush order the National Guard to open fire on hippy protesters then we will talk.

If you ****face like communism too much. MOVE

I think i've had enough of communism for a whole year over there.

[memphiz]

man some protesters piss me off, only the ones that protest war andstuff, its a huge waist of police time

[catchv22]

I have nothing wrong with protestors, they have a right to voice their opinions. It's rioters who destroy property that waste the police's time.

[SFontaine]

Not that I'm sayin Kent State was a good thing I'm just saying that in the US you can voice your opinion without being locked up and shot, like in China.
Like the other guy said "Until President Bush orders the national guard to open fire on any sign of anti-Bush protest STFU" or something like that.

[FallenAngel]

Does the LA riots count?

If you're refering to the one in the early 90s, those weren't peaceful hippie antiwar kids.

I would probably react the same way if I was a lone white cop and found myself surrounded by hundreds of rampaging black guys burning and looting everything they can. :\

[DELTAFORCELEADER]

i want to apolligize for that pic
i didnt mean to create this mess
i just thought this topic whas created about a soldier that has snow on him
not knowing the it whas about that political event
for that i apolligize
and sorry for the english
:(

hahahahaaaaa...........

[Seraphim]

i want to apolligize for that pic
i didnt mean to create this mess
i just thought this topic whas created about a soldier that has snow on him
not knowing the it whas about that political event
for that i apolligize
and sorry for the english
:(

hahahahaaaaa...........

Please dont make things worse.

[Haiw]

What do you expect from a morron with such a name... :roll:

[Seraphim]

What do you expect from a morron with such a name... :roll:

You mean hes not a delta force team leader???!!!

[DELTAFORCELEADER]

i want to apolligize for that pic
i didnt mean to create this mess
i just thought this topic whas created about a soldier that has snow on him
not knowing the it whas about that political event
for that i apolligize
and sorry for the english
:(

hahahahaaaaa...........

Please dont make things worse.

OK! :P

[BlackRain]

For those unfamiliar with the "riots" mentioned in earlier posts, here is historical context and stats.

1992 Los Angles California

On April 29, 1992, immediately following and in response to the acquittal of four white police officers charged with the use of excessive force in their beating of black motorist Rodney King, thousands of people in Los Angeles took part in mass law-breaking, including taking goods from stores, and setting fires. These acts, most commonly characterized as riots, though characterized as an uprising, rebellion, or insurrection by some, lasted about four days.

Estimates of the number of lives lost during the unrest vary between 50 and 60, and estimates of the material damage done vary between about $800 million and $1 billion. Approximately 600 fires were set, and about 10,000 people were arrested.

In addition to the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD), about 10,000 soldiers from the California National Guard, and thousands of soldiers from the United States Army and Marines were deployed to suppress the crowds. Smaller, concommitant riots occurred in other United States cities, including San Francisco, New York, Seattle, and Chicago.

Of those arrested, about 42% were African-American, 44% Latino, 9% White, and 2% other. These numbers are proportionate to the number of residents in the areas of Los Angeles where the events occurred, although they are not proportional to the racial make-up of Los Angeles as a whole. Stores owned by Korean immigrants were widely targeted, although stores owned by whites and blacks were also targeted.

Deaths: At least 58

Injuries: 2,383 (228 critical)

Arrests: 12,111

Fires: 7,000

Estimated damages: $717 million; 3,100 businesses affected by rioting or looting

In the months ahead, some deaths will be found not to be riot-related and the death toll will be adjusted to 54. The damage estimate will be adjusted to nearly $1 billion.

What was the Cause of Death in Los Angeles?

Not one of the estimated 54 deaths was caused by police or military action. The Los Angeles County Medical Examiner classified 82% (42) of the deaths as being homicides, 16 % (8) accidental, and 1 % (1) by natural causes. The following table reports this data.

Injuries occurred in one of three ways during the civil disturbance:
(1) injured while participating in looting or rioting or were injured by someone participating in these activities;
(2) automobile related; or
(3) injured indirectly from the loss of primary care, dialysis, in-home care or other community medical services. There is no information available about the third method of injury or data on the number of people affected.

A number of riot and looting related actions caused injuries. These include shooting by hand guns and rifles; beatings, including use of a tire iron or other means; broken glass; stabbing; and burns. Persons drinking alcohol probably inflicted a number of injuries (EMSA EMT survey, comments by eye witnesses, and observations by emergency department staff.). In some cases the civil disturbance caused extreme stress in individuals, aggravating preexisting illness (chest pains, heart attack, seizures). This profile is similar to that seen in riots in the 1960s (Kentucky, 1968).

Timeline of Events: http://www.lafire.com/famous_fires/920429_LA-Riots/LATimes-2002-0429-0501/2002-0429_latimes_ChartingTheHoursofChaos.htm

Riot Injury and Death Data: http://www.usc.edu/isd/archives/cityinstress/medical/part22.html

There is no similarity in deaths and injuries between state sponsored military action in China and the riots that occurred in Los Angeles in 1992.

[BlackRain]

In reference to the riots also mentioned above


1969 New York

Being born in NY, the only one I can recall would have been the infamous June 28, 1969 'Stonewall' gay riots were four policemen were injured. Surely, this not the one you were referencing?



Last Friday the privacy of the Stonewall was invaded by police from the First Division. It was a raid. They had a warrant. After two years, police said they had been informed that liquor was being served on the premises. Since the Stonewall was without a license, the place was being closed. It was the law. Source: New York Daily News

For more reading on this dubious topic: http://www.trikkx.com/history2.html

[Seraphim]

http://www.yorkdispatch.com/Stories/0,1413,138%257E10014%257E253574,00.html

[BlackRain]

http://www.yorkdispatch.com/Stories/0,1413,138%257E10014%257E253574,00.html

I don't understand you post. Are you suggesting that a police office was responsible for a riot related murder in 1969. That is false.

The police officer that was brought to trial for the 1969 "murder" was acquitted by a jury in October 19, 2002. It turns out two gang members were convicted for the crime!


York Mayor Charles Robertson, was was a police officer in 1969.
Robertson, who sat stone-faced during the four-week trial, cried and hugged his lawyers when his not-guilty verdict was read shortly after 6 p.m.

You should really check your facts before you post items!

Source: http://www.yorkdispatch.com/Stories/0,1413,138~10014~936512,00.html

[Nizark]

One thing about tienimen square that was smart on the Chinese gov't part, they used garrisons from way outside the city to put down the uprising instead of local troops who may have refused the orders, and thus joined with the students to create a possible civil war.