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Jeremiah
11-01-2005, 09:13 AM
Human nature can be tragic !


The new colour of British racism


http://observer.guardian.co.uk/focus/story/0,6903,1604591,00.html

Behind the riots lies vicious hostility between the Asian and African-Caribbean communities in Birmingham, reports crime correspondent Mark Townsend

Sunday October 30, 2005
The Observer


Maybe his compassion was exhausted, but the reality suggests that Makaveli had always disliked black people. Either way, within hours of arriving from Pakistan after helping survivors of the Asian earthquake, he was brawling with African-Caribbeans on the streets of Birmingham. It felt natural; all his friends agreed with him that these people were the lowest form of humanity.
'They come in our shops, but can't stop stealing something. ******s can't help it, they have a dirty gene. They are the lowest of the low,' hissed Makaveli. The 26-year-old spat furiously at the pavement and nodded east along Lozells Road, beyond the huddle of Asian-owned shops, to where the Rastafarians sometimes gathered.

Inside Simply Veg, a group stood beside huge spears of sugarcane, papaya and jars of Ethiopian myrrh. The mood was tense, the talk of slavery, oppression, of a black community without hope. But their stories suddenly sounded different. Their oppressors were no longer solely white. Now they felt subjugated by another race; the Asians.

'We've had centuries of slavery. Now the Asians want to take over here,' said Rob, a Jamaican, slamming the grocery counter. 'Black people need a break, but things are getting bad.' Outside, across the bustling Lozells Road, down into the red-bricked terracing of the local estates, lies a reminder of what bad can actually mean. On the doorstep of 59 Carlyle Road, lilies and carnations smother a plastic sheet weighed down with bricks.

Here, 23-year-old Isiah Young-Sam was stabbed to death during last Saturday's race riots as he wandered home; the yellow petals are a dark pointer to the new reality of race crime in Britain. The worst riots to afflict Britain's second city for 20 years challenge the most fundamental assumption of multicultural Britain - that racism is principally a white vice. Almost 40 years after Enoch Powell talked of 'rivers of blood' just two miles from where Young-Sam was murdered, a community has broken down. Powell's inflammatory rhetoric warned that immigration would inspire strife, but few predicted that the immigrants would turn on each other.

Only a few experts had observed that the scramble for the scant resources of Britain's deprived inner cities was a catalyst for conflict between competing communities. For the vast majority, particularly the government, racism remained a strictly black and white issue. Even the Commission for Racial Equality has failed to research the issue of inter-ethnic racism. For its part, the Home Office is accused of ignoring repeated warnings of conflict between black and Asian communities from its most senior strategist into race relations.

Marian Fitzgerald, now a criminologist at the University of Kent, identified the fracture lines that led to last weekend's clashes, not just in Birmingham, but throughout the UK. The rioting around Lozells Road, which left two dead in more than 200 separate violent incidents, followed a single, still unsubstantiated, rumour that 18 Asian men had gang-raped a 14-year-old black girl in a beauty parlour.

The allegation may have been the catalyst, but in Lozells Road they had been predicting a bloody night for years. Thirteen months ago a message that appeared on a black website warned that 'Birmingham's Asian and ethnic African are becoming increasingly polarised'. The author felt Asians were becoming 'more aggressive' and that the 'daily spiritual, and sometimes physical, face-offs' between the two communities had left 'indelible scars on the soul'. Violence, the emailer concluded, was inevitable. For years Lozells had been hailed as a vibrant example of the melting pot that defines urban Britain. Yet for many who lived in the tight terracing north of Birmingham's bright new centre, the area had become a racial tinderbox.

As with most previous riots, the tension had its roots in the trivial. For the black community of north Birmingham it was the manner in which Asian shopkeepers handed back their change. Already smarting over the fact that most local businesses had been snapped up by Asian entrepreneurs, a common complaint among African-Caribbeans was the treatment by shopkeepers.

'They throw the change at us as if we're lower-class citizens'. Rob raised his left arm above his head and flung a 10p into his right palm. 'Like that. They won't even touch us.'

Those beside him in Simply Veg nodded. To the Asian community, such complaints are mired in envy. 'We can work 16-hour days. We pay tax. We own the shops. They're jealous,' Makaveli said.

That the everyday rituals of capitalism became such a source of discontent is apt; experts agree that the rioting stemmed from the economics of inequality. For decades, the African-Caribbean community watched as the Asian community bettered itself. Of the 50 or so stores on Lozells Road, 90 per cent are Asian-owned. But the competition runs deeper. Amid the deprivation of Lozells, the two communities scrap for dwindling government support in housing, jobs and community projects. Asian shopkeepers rarely employ blacks; similarly, the few African storeowners can wait days for the next Pakistani patron.

In response, the African-Caribbean community of Lozells is calling for a total boycott of Asian shops. Dani arrived in Birmingham from Jamaica in 1960. He remembers when he had Asian friends. 'They became millionaires, we became beggars,' the 65-year-old said wearily.

That community elders are encouraging tension is no surprise to those monitoring the situation. Frank Reeves, of Race Equality West Midlands, describes a meeting between community leaders last week that was riven by self-interest rather than reconciliation. A cycle of rumour, bigotry and suspicion has intensified in the wake of the riots. For every story of a black schoolboy beaten by 20 Asians there is one such as that from Makaveli's best friend, Abdul, whose brother was killed two years ago; caught in the crossfire of a shoot-out between black gangs in the nearby streets.

So endemic is gangland culture that when several doctors from the nearest hospital were required for front-line medical duty during the Iraq war, they already possessed the skills required for treating gunshot wounds.

Further violence appears a question of when, not if. 'I get the impression people are getting tooled up,' Reeves admits. The police presence suggests as much. Around 600 police a day have been drafted in to keep order on the maze of streets around Lozells Road. Recent website postings earmark Eid, the Asian festival this Friday that signals the end of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, as a flashpoint.

One entrant on a black power website reads: 'Pakistanis are marked for death. The blacks have had enough of Pakistanis running things up there.' The bigotry is never exclusive. One Asian site glorifies the alleged rape: 'Big up the Pakis dat tapped the ****** bitch in Brumland. We had the upper hand on them ever since the abolishment of slavery.'

Even now, it is unclear where the rape allegation originated from. Suggestions that it was concocted by the black community are unconfirmed. What is certain is that the rumour was perfect for a riot; a poisonous Chinese whisper that gained horror and currency with every repeat. Reeves describes the allegation as a 'textbook classic' and that it was no accident it centred around a shop run by Asians selling black beauty products.

The supposed victim was an illegal immigrant who will not come forward, a detail that also tapped into African-Caribbeans disquiet over immigration laws. 'The British took us as slaves to the Caribbean and now they won't even let us in,' said Paul, 40.

Similarly, the allegation seemed to corroborate a long-standing suspicion among the black community that Asian men gang-rape their women. 'They have been raping black girls for centuries,' said Maxine Goldman, 28. 'They make them wear hijabs, wrapping them up to their eyeballs.'

Despite a police investigation finding no evidence of the rape, the black community is adamant it is true. In turn, the Asian community believes the 'rape' was conceived as an excuse to attack their shops.

Whatever proves true, half the community is complaining that its traditional voice - pirate radio - is being persecuted. DJ Warren G made the mistake of broadcasting the rape allegations he had heard in a barber's shop. The price would be personal - within days his former schoolfriend Young-Sam was dead - and professional as police continue to investigate claims that his repeating of a rumour was incitement to disorder.

But little may change; the 1985 riots in Handsworth proved that. The people of Lozells agree that the carnations of Carlyle Road will not be the last.

b.scheller
11-01-2005, 11:20 AM
It seems, that xenophobia and discrimination, is particularly strong within Europe.

It's tragic, how there is such a strong, xenophobia and discrimination. The immigrants, themselves are afraid of other immigrants, particularly the ones that are not of the same nationality as them. This, is not only found in Europe but here in North America as well. Usually the biggest bigots, are the immigrants themselves.

To get back, the white Europeans blame, their governments, for doing too much, and allowing all these 'foreigners' in. European governments, attempt to block, European migrant workers from entering their countries, because they might 'steal' their jobs, and might 'bring' crime. At the same time, they boast how much more tollerant Europe truly is, from, North America, particularly the United States.

At the same time, it seems, to me, that prejudice in Europe is stronger than here in Canada, especially amongst the general populace. At least, from what the media portrays and my own personal experiences.

-b.scheller

a_very_ex_STAB
11-01-2005, 12:23 PM
It seems, that xenophobia and discrimination, is particularly strong within Europe.

It's tragic, how there is such a strong, xenophobia and discrimination. The immigrants, themselves are afraid of other immigrants, particularly the ones that are not of the same nationality as them. This, is not only found in Europe but here in North America as well. Usually the biggest bigots, are the immigrants themselves.

To get back, the white Europeans blame, their governments, for doing too much, and allowing all these 'foreigners' in. European governments, attempt to block, European migrant workers from entering their countries, because they might 'steal' their jobs, and might 'bring' crime. At the same time, they boast how much more tollerant Europe truly is, from, North America, particularly the United States.

At the same time, it seems, to me, that prejudice in Europe is stronger than here in Canada, especially amongst the general populace. At least, from what the media portrays and my own personal experiences.

-b.scheller


It seems that Canada is a veritable Earthly paradise where inner city deprivation is unknown :roll:

b.scheller
11-01-2005, 01:33 PM
I never claimed that prejudice, does not exist within Canada. In fact, it does exist, and is prevalent all over, although stronger in some regions more than others, Quebec or the Prairie provinces. With that, having been said, the Government of Canada, does practice a huge implimentation of multi-culturalism, through different programming. The education system, promotes multi-culture within schools.

Thus, the government cannot be blamed for not being tollerant of other cultures. While in Europe, governments of Germany, France and Great Britain, are attempting to bar, new E.U states, from being allowed to work within their states.

-b.scheller

Zarathustra
11-01-2005, 02:17 PM
Racism is a way bigger problem in Russia.

a_very_ex_STAB
11-01-2005, 02:36 PM
I never claimed that prejudice, does not exist within Canada. In fact, it does exist, and is prevalent all over, although stronger in some regions more than others, Quebec or the Prairie provinces. With that, having been said, the Government of Canada, does practice a huge implimentation of multi-culturalism, through different programming. The education system, promotes multi-culture within schools.

Thus, the government cannot be blamed for not being tollerant of other cultures. While in Europe, governments of Germany, France and Great Britain, are attempting to bar, new E.U states, from being allowed to work within their states.

-b.scheller

Are you seriously saying that multiculturalism isn't a major feature of the British education system?????
As for East European EU citizens not being allowed to work here in the UK. I can assure you there are loads of them here. I'm glad they are here at least they're prepared to work unlike a large number of native British oxygen thieves.

Belrick
11-01-2005, 03:35 PM
Since all humans are the same im really realy confused that anyone then had the gall to claim racism is merely a white-black issue. Not only self contradictory but illogical, its obvious that racism is a homo sapien issue.

Also when the liberals pushed across multi-culturalism what historical precidence did they draw there experience from? Austria-hungary empire? Yugoslavia?

Multi-culturalism defies human nature AND logic. The thing is we can have different cultures on this earth co-existing peacefully, there known as countries so why the huge effort to try and force 2 different cultures to live the same way but not the same way????!?.

Afterall you cannot drive on both sides of the road, you cannot have a nation advocating freedom of speech and banning 'hate' speech. ie: in case you wernt aware culture is a way of life and laws are just official and enforced cultural rules.

rajkhalsa
11-01-2005, 03:42 PM
Why the **** do the british insist on labelling everyone brown as "Asian."

These Birminghamistan racists and rioters are not Sikh, not Hindu not Sri Lankan, not Nepalese, not Indian, not Indian Muslim... but PAKISTANI.


Those radicalized 3rd gen UK Paks are the prime funders of terrorism in Kashmir in the West.

Calling them Asian implies to the general public that non-Pakistanis are involved. And allows the Pakistani community the veneer of credibility that our hard-earned reputation provides. There has never been any racial or ethnic tension or rioting between the Indian community and others, including the Afro Caribbean. (Many Indo Caribbean Guyanese and Trinidadians also are in these Afro Carib communities)

It's absurd lumping these two seperate communities, the victim and the victimizer, together. Its like calling nazis and Jews "the white community" in a sentence describing racial hatred. :cantbeli:

Pindeho
11-01-2005, 04:20 PM
Well. Near where I live there are a lot of Asylum seekers and illigal imigs. They are really not nice people. Kosovoan pimps plague the streets. generally a lot of people can't speak english at all or bad enough that they understand but accent is atrocious. Then we wonder why crime and other ****e is gowing up.

a_very_ex_STAB
11-01-2005, 04:31 PM
Why the **** do the british insist on labelling everyone brown as "Asian."

Probably for the same reasons as Indians referring to English, French, Germans etc as Europeans - it saves time. But if it helps I agree it is annoying.

These Birminghamistan racists and rioters are not Sikh, not Hindu not Sri Lankan, not Nepalese, not Indian, not Indian Muslim... but PAKISTANI.

In this case yes but Sikhs have also been rioting recently in Birmingham as well (irt a separate issue).

km5
11-01-2005, 04:41 PM
ive never heard of Indians rioting. Not in UK not in US, nor anywhere else. Indians and probably Thai are the friendliest and most non-violent people ive met. I cant say the same of Pakistanis. Lets not be PC here.

UkrainianAmerican
11-01-2005, 05:15 PM
Yea nto to generalize, but the vast majority of Indians (muslim and hindu) that i ahve come accross seem to be laid-nack (not too hot-blooded) The again I ahvent really met a lto of violent Pakis either, so its weird. Its hard for me to imagine a group of pakis going into Harlem and starting ****..

rajkhalsa
11-01-2005, 05:17 PM
a_very_ex_STAB,

When a specific ethnic/cultural group does something specifically affecting their community in a specific incident, most people don't use the generalized term... except to be pseudo-PC and whitewash or dismiss the actions of that specific group.

And besides, a scuffle by some morons protesting outside and breaking a couple windows in a movie theater is hardly rioting. Nothing more than what happens when any group of idiots get together in any similar protest.

However, even if minor, it is an extremely isolated incident, one that by and far does not have community support, affect the community, or even concerns the community. And is certainly completely relatively non-existant as an incident compared to the weekly black/BNP/Paki race riots in Birmingham and other cities by the usual suspects.


RussianAmerican,
I've generally found most Pakistani-Americans, especially 2nd generation ones, to be agreeable, forward thinking types. Because, really, they haven't grown in an enviroment that fosters radical religionism, aggression and xenophobia.

When it comes down to it, when you take the 'Pakiness' -- lit. the sense of 'Pureness' and militant ethno-religious supremecy -- out of of the Pakistani, the rabid ideologies and hatreds that seperates them from others of their cultural group, you are left with a cultural Indian of a different nationality who just happens to be Muslim.

It's to be noted that there are more Indian Muslims than there are even Pakistanis, and this community is fully integrated with the Indian population and completely secular, non-radicalized, and yet very religiously devout, like other Indians. (You never heard of the Indian Muslim terrorist or al Queda member, despite the fact that their community is the 2nd largest Muslim community in the world.)


There is a reason that in mixed communities, Pakistanis congregate with only Pakistanis, and other south Asians, Indians, Bangladeshis, Lankans, Nepalese, Bhutanese, etc. stick together and get along great with other racial and ethnic groups.

The Pak ghettos in the UK are infamously racially segregated from the outside world. They import radical clerics who come to take advantage of their socio-economic position and radicalize the population. This radicalization then feeds into greater xenophobia and racial/religious hatred, which in turn further radicalizes the population.

It is a sick cycle of hatred that is self-proprogating and self-whips up the community into greater hysteria. Yet this whole racial thing is only one ramification of a greater social problem.


It is a fact that Indians are the highest income and education group in the UK and in Europe wherever there is a community of them, despite them being just as large a community as the Paks, despite them also being 2nd, 3rd generations (with the drive for education and their success statistically not stopping or mitigating after the first generation), and despite the 1st generation Indians, etc. being just as poor on average as the 1st generation Pak... despite them being from the same geographic region. This is repeated all over Europe, and includes Indians from the Carribean, South America, Southeast Asia and the Pacific.

It is why it is so irksome to see so many people trying to really 'bring down' or saturate, willingly or not, the failures of the Pak community by lumping them together with Britian and Europes arguably most succsesful immigrant group.

Heck, even the Afro-Caribbeans mince no words about the culture (not race) of the Paks they are against, who, as one said in that article who mentioned that Paks (i.e. Islamists -- not Indians) had practiced slavery against the Africans for centuries.


The problem is a social problem that only Pakistanis themselves can solve. Unless the media and the commoner doesn't try to hide the issue, though they know full well who the culprits are, the Pakistani community will not have any external impetus or realization out of their groupthink to say 'damn... we really got to fix what we broke'

Making excuses by affixing the 'Asian' misnomer to the community only furthers the malcontentment, and only ends up hurting the feelings and reputation of maligned communities who actually contribute to the country, economically, educationally, and socially speaking.

-Raj

DOOMSDAYDEXTER
11-01-2005, 06:22 PM
"ive never heard of Indians rioting"

Try 'Gujarat' & 'Rioting' in google. A sleepy little Indian state to begin with. The whole sub continent is a mass of sectarian violence and what appears to the outsider petty demonstration in the name of either Ram/Allah/Buddha. Seems the Mughals upset a few people.

Sri Lanka if you remember has had the occaisonal problem with sectarian violence over the last 30 years...

Regards

Oddbod
11-01-2005, 09:34 PM
One day, people will realise that the great experiment of multiculturalism is a failure.
Human nature being what it is, people will invariably support their own tribe/ethnicity/religion/locality, when they feel threatened by outside influences.
Homo Sapiens may well be the most advanced organism on the planet but that doesn't stop primordial instincts from coming to the fore when the adrenalin starts to flow.
Best we all live separate lives.

a_very_ex_STAB
11-02-2005, 10:20 AM
ive never heard of Indians rioting. Not in UK not in US, nor anywhere else. Indians and probably Thai are the friendliest and most non-violent people ive met. I cant say the same of Pakistanis. Lets not be PC here.

Then you obviously haven't been following Indian politics very closely - intercommunal violence including large scale massacres have occurred fairly frequently in India since independence (most recently in Gujarat).

Don't get me wrong though India is a great place. My wife is of Indian origin and I go there every year for a holiday. I love it there but it's not perfect.

DOOMSDAYDEXTER
11-02-2005, 05:10 PM
"One day, people will realise that the great experiment of multiculturalism is a failure.
Human nature being what it is, people will invariably support their own tribe/ethnicity/religion/locality, when they feel threatened by outside influences.
Homo Sapiens may well be the most advanced organism on the planet but that doesn't stop primordial instincts from coming to the fore when the adrenalin starts to flow.
Best we all live separate lives."

Yeah? I for one will be glad to be leading a life well out of the way of someone who could write such complete piffle. Unfortunately I can't. It's a round world, filled with all kinds of creatures. Even ones who take the Daily Mail in the morning and believe the s@@t scrawled across it's pages.

GET USED TO IT!

Regards

Laworkerbee
11-02-2005, 06:32 PM
One day, people will realise that the great experiment of multiculturalism is a failure.
Human nature being what it is, people will invariably support their own tribe/ethnicity/religion/locality, when they feel threatened by outside influences.
Homo Sapiens may well be the most advanced organism on the planet but that doesn't stop primordial instincts from coming to the fore when the adrenalin starts to flow.
Best we all live separate lives.

It works pretty good here man, I'm assuming we have a leg up since we are a nation of immigrants so assimilation here is widespread.

rajkhalsa
11-02-2005, 06:45 PM
It works pretty damn well in the UK as well, despite the Pak exception.

km5
11-02-2005, 07:11 PM
Then you obviously haven't been following Indian politics very closely - intercommunal violence including large scale massacres have occurred fairly frequently in India since independence (most recently in Gujarat).

Don't get me wrong though India is a great place. My wife is of Indian origin and I go there every year for a holiday. I love it there but it's not perfect.


werent the gujarat riots religion based? muslims vs hindus?

im just saying in general, from personal experiences, i find Indians as a whole (considering all the castes, sub ethnicities, etc), are very friendly and non violent people as opposed to other ethnic groups. You seldom hear of a crime or violence committed by an indian, while terrorism is daily on the news and in 99% (at least in the past 5 years) is committed by a muslim, or someone claiming to be a muslim. i know im generalizing, but lets not be p.c. here in our perceptions.

ed316
11-02-2005, 07:15 PM
One day, people will realise that the great experiment of multiculturalism is a failure.
Human nature being what it is, people will invariably support their own tribe/ethnicity/religion/locality, when they feel threatened by outside influences.
Homo Sapiens may well be the most advanced organism on the planet but that doesn't stop primordial instincts from coming to the fore when the adrenalin starts to flow.
Best we all live separate lives.

Seems to do well here in the US

rajkhalsa
11-02-2005, 07:55 PM
The Gujarat riots were terrible but it must be taken in full perspective. The rioting was limited in extremely localized geographic areas, were more because of local political issues than religious extremist (on both sides), and had a distinctly criminal undertone (majority of rioters were funded and ordered by underworld gangs in a mafia war -- destruction of rival properties, hits, etc.)

When you consider the size and population density of the areas affected by the riots, they have comparable numbers of people who participated in, and a similar relative damage and casualty rates to the 1992 LA riots.

All in all, it is a non-issue in terms of communal relations in India. It was however, an explosive political football (I'm mixing analogies, I know) that got national political play, something the LA riots did not get, despite similarly extensive coverage in the media.

However, that's an issue irrelevant to this particular case -- i.e. the whys massed populations of Pakistani origin people tend to radicalize and ghettoize themselves, leading to such social problems, moreso than other s. Asian communities.

DOOMSDAYDEXTER
11-02-2005, 07:59 PM
"You seldom hear of a crime or violence committed by an indian, while terrorism is daily on the news and in 99% (at least in the past 5 years) is committed by a muslim, or someone claiming to be a muslim. i know im generalizing, but lets not be p.c. here in our perceptions"

Well in India an awful lot of crime is perpetuated by Indians. Plenty of it white collar as well. It's just that you don't read about it because we're not at war with Hindoos or Sikhs or Buddists. It simply feeds peoples already primed imaginations that the muslim hordes are dirty and degenerate and getting ready to rape your sister. We are at war with an ideology, remember at the back of the class?

"Where the hindu bitches at?"

Indians in the U.K. now mostly of 2nd & 3rd generation are well educated, integrated and successful either in buisness or professional careers. There exists in the U.K. a far greater % of disaffected, mainly Pakistani 2nd and 3rd generations. But look at the areas where they live - their parents came & grandparents came to work in industries which died in the 70's and 80's - these towns are unspeakably bleak and depressed where the crime rate and other measures of deprivation are also high for all sections of the community. It's no surprise that rampant islamic fundamentalism exists here. But having lived in a few of these places myself I have to say thats its not the only practice of islam thats exists in these towns.


Regards

Omaha
11-02-2005, 09:41 PM
Yea nto to generalize, but the vast majority of Indians (muslim and hindu) that i ahve come accross seem to be laid-nack (not too hot-blooded) The again I ahvent really met a lto of violent Pakis either, so its weird. Its hard for me to imagine a group of pakis going into Harlem and starting ****..


Haha...watch a black guy walk into one of their convince stores and not buy anything within 10 mins....hot as it gets, also, nice lunch time entertainment. :D

Oddbod
11-02-2005, 10:18 PM
Seems to do well here in the US

Not from what I see in the News & elsewhere it doesn't.

RAA_GnrCheck
11-02-2005, 11:04 PM
One day, people will realise that the great experiment of multiculturalism is a failure.
Human nature being what it is, people will invariably support their own tribe/ethnicity/religion/locality, when they feel threatened by outside influences.
Homo Sapiens may well be the most advanced organism on the planet but that doesn't stop primordial instincts from coming to the fore when the adrenalin starts to flow.
Best we all live separate lives.

sometime people become bored of their own tribe/ethnicity/religion/locality and want to explore to try new things. There is more to the world than just your neighbourhood

Omaha
11-02-2005, 11:59 PM
Not from what I see in the News & elsewhere it doesn't.


Ahh that is where you fall short. Racism isn’t a large problem here. Now, there will be people like Jesse Jackson and Rev Al Sharpton that will say the opposite till the day they die, but it is all bunch of crap. If you want to succeeded, work hard, and do a good job, I don't care if you are green, you are gonna be something.

rajkhalsa
11-03-2005, 12:14 AM
Not from what I see in the News & elsewhere it doesn't.
Sorry, but then you are quite blind.

Oddbod
11-03-2005, 08:38 AM
Sorry, but then you are quite blind.

So the huge increase in attacks on Muslims & those who look like arabs since 2001 is a myth?

UkrainianAmerican
11-03-2005, 11:07 AM
So the huge increase in attacks on Muslims & those who look like arabs since 2001 is a myth?
Yes.





(the minimum words limits is really ****ing gey)

ed316
11-03-2005, 11:34 AM
Not from what I see in the News & elsewhere it doesn't.

don't believe everything you see or hear in the news. If thats the case than in your view the gangs have taken over the streets and every American lives in a rap video. From what I see on British News channels it seems bias and has a negative slant toward anything US.

Enigma
11-03-2005, 08:02 PM
Why the **** do the british insist on labelling everyone brown as "Asian."


Yeah well I agree with you and it’s kind of the same thing with religion. When a sect of corrupted regime tries to behead people in the name of Islam the entire religion including the 73 different sects within Islam have to take the blame for it. When a bad driver drives a nice car no one blames the car!