Polish Police unit (SPAT/BOA) training

[tony6]

Check out the movie file on that site:
http://tvp.pl/120,2004020579344.strona

Those guys are SPAT officers from BOA - Bureau of Counterterrorist Operations.
They had a training last night in Warsaw subway-this is just a little "show" for media:)

[REMOV]

http://ww2.tvp.pl/tvppl/images/2004/02/05/77797/img500.jpg
http://ww2.tvp.pl/tvppl/images/2004/02/05/77796/img500.jpg

And direct link to the movie: http://tvp.pl/video/2004/02/05/11566/film.asf

[wholagun]

man i was on TVP site last night and I didn't see it, thanks for posting.

Was the one guy in the begginging carrying a G 36?

[tony6]

Was the one guy in the begginging carrying a G 36?
Yep! SPAT's got some new toys lately:)

[Marmot1]

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ENJOY :lol:

[tony6]

EOTech sights rule!
:D

[wholagun]

**** they look better equiped then GROM. LOL. aaahhh **** :cantbeli:

Are they allowed to shoot through glass? Say the terrorist guy saw the police and began poping the hostages right away, would the Police shoot through the windows or would they have to wait till the dude breaks the windows? Also, how would they open the subway doors, or whats to stop him from no moving the subway train to a tunnel area where the Police can't enter the subway train as easily but have only two ways of entering the subway (front and back) easy to pick off police then no?

[tony6]

What do You mean "Are they allowed to shoot through glass?"?
You shoot to got the man down-if the man is behind the glass-You shoot through the glass.
I told You-this was just a "show" for media (don't You see photo-reporters?:)
It had to look good in the evening news:)

[wholagun]

yeah. true i was a media show. No but say the bad guy sees the cops comming through the window and the police see that the bad guy is about to shoot the hostage will the cop fire a burst through the window shattering the glass making it go everywhere, or wll he wait for the door to be open then pop the bad guy with a burst?

[Marmot1]

and how do you think??? of cours he will shoot thru the glass... warsaw subway is constucted in such a maner that from one window you can clear whole inside there is nowhere to hide... :-)

[mack pl]

They arent better equipment than GROM. I think they have the same level of equipment. GROM using nomex suit, etc. So what you mean's better equiped ???

[wholagun]

Looks newer. MP5, googles, helmet etc just look newer. :oops:

[REMOV]

they look better equiped then GROM.But only for you. Tell me, you just compare old GROM's photos with new BOA's? ;)

[mack pl]

So, BOA and GROM looks cool. But its not important for this units, do they looks the same. Most important is the same level of skills. They should cooperate and started training together. If they dont, it will be(or could be) very bad for polish citizens. I hope they started soon. I have a dream, they started tomorrow, hahaha. :lol:

[wholagun]

they look better equiped then GROM.But only for you. Tell me, you just compare old GROM's photos with new BOA's? ;)

Old photos :cantbeli:

I will shut up now :oops:

[REMOV]

Old photosMhm, from 2002. But AFAIK in 2003 the new equipment was bought for GROM ;)

[Uninen]

http://foto.pap.com.pl/midi_galerie/0793/gal_0793_0031.jpg
Sako TRG.

:hug:

But then again.. not really a surprice..

Almost all CT units use it.. Globaly..

:hug:

[Shrap]

The question is...what is he doing with a sniper rifle in a subway?

[wholagun]

The question is...what is he doing with a sniper rifle in a subway?

It was a show for the media to show the media the units capabilities and weapons. That said I imagine it was just out on display for the media and didn't have any tactical role.

[mack pl]

Why you thinking , he cannot use sniper rifle in subway?? I think in some situations its possible. If sniper want to kill the driver for example, haha. Or, he cover his comrades from assault squad when they are attacking, or something like that. But maybe the primary reason why he(sniper) is there is this show for press. BTW my dream about BOA and GROM was stupid,ehhh. I guess they never will training together. Its very bad. Hasta la vista amigos :(

[tony6]

Like I said it (twice already)-it was just a show for media to show new equipment, etc.
They have been training for the couple of hours (different variants of assault). This media story was after the whole exercise.
As for the guy with a sniper rifle-I guess it can be usefull in subway-those tunnels are pretty long:)

[mack pl]

Yeah, its only show. But it was very cool:)

[Dominique]

Gent's who does BOA work for and what is their specific function? And could someone (REMOV, mack pl, Kruglerek) kind enough to give me a breakdown of the various Polish law enforcement agencies (police, border guards, treasury/customs, etc.).

[perdurabo]

Gent's who does BOA work for and what is their specific function? And could someone (REMOV, mack pl, Kruglerek) kind enough to give me a breakdown of the various Polish law enforcement agencies (police, border guards, treasury/customs, etc.).
Well it WAS department in Police but it was just disbanded :( two months ago they changed them into normal section in police :(
BOA was central unit for CT job in police.
Also from older times we have SPAT wich are regional CT units in every region there is one unit...
now there is a big chaos in "masked" units in Poland even railway security has own "anti-terririst group" witch is veeeery weak with very old equipment and without proper training they made fashion for SF units so every one wants to be cool and have one :)

[Groove]

What kind of special forces (police and army) poland had during PRL?

(Sorry i couldnt resist to write PRL :) )

Groove

[REMOV]

Gent's who does BOA work for and what is their specific function?The BOA (acronym for Biuro Operacji Antyterrorystycznych which means Bureau of AT Operations) is the central Polish Police SPAT (= Samodzielny Pododdzial Antyterrorystyczny = SWAT) Unit (in fact is an ex-Warsaw SPAT Unit) connected with CBS (=Centralne Biuro Sledcze, Central Investigation Bureau, created in February 2000). Hmm... the CBS is something like FBI in the USA, and the BOA is CBS's fighting arm like FBI SWAT Unit.

The BOA was created after the 11st September, because Polish Police hadn't a central SWAT Unit, the all 10 main SPAT teams were indepenent and not connected each other.

give me a breakdown of the various Polish law enforcement agencies (police, border guards, treasury/customs, etc.).Ufff...

http://policja.sztab.org/policja_b.gifhttp://cbs.sztab.org/cbs-logo.jpg
- Policja (Police) with CBS (Centralne Biuro Sledcze), created to fighting with organized crime and terrorists. The Police SWAT units are called SPAT (Samodzielny Pododdzial Antyterrorystyczny) or SPAP (Samodzielny Pododdzial Antyterrorystyczny Policji).

http://bor.sztab.org/bor.gif
- BOR (=Biuro Ochrony Rzadu) it is Polish equivalent of US Special Service, which goal is to protect VIPs. In fact is a ca. 1000 person military unit subordinate to the Polish Ministry of the Interior (or MSW in Polish).

http://abw.sztab.org/abw-logo.jpg
- ABW (=Agencja Bezpieczenstwa Wewnetrznego), counter-intelligence and counter-espionage agency. Also has it own special units.

http://sg.sztab.org/sg_b.gif
- Straz Graniczna (Border Guard)

[REMOV]

Well it WAS department in Police but it was just disbanded two months ago they changed them into normal section in policeWho told you that? The BOA still exists, just two days ago they conducted large AT training in Warsaw at the PKiN.

now there is a big chaos in "masked" units in Poland even railway security has own "anti-terririst group" witch is veeeery weak with very old equipment and without proper training they made fashion for SF units so every one wants to be cool and have oneEkhm... I suggest you to tell about facts not spread rumors, ok? This is also not true. There isn't ANY AT group in the SOK and never was.

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

About SOK AT units- I've heard that there are 4-5 such groups (one in each DOKP), but they aren't AT or CT units, they were created to fight with drug dealers/mafia on the railway stations and smugglers in trains. Whey are better equipped and trained than normal SOK units.

[Kruglerek]

Railway security have special unit. I don't remember their name (must check at home) but they are training with police SWAT units (for example storming of a railway coaches). They have worse equipment than police SWAT units (Glauberyt smg's, and P83 hundguns) but it may change in near future.
Police have SPAT units and one central BOA unit.
BOR have one tactical unit - Grupa Wsparcia Taktycznego - Tactical Support Group. They tacticly support the close protection agents.
ABW (=Agencja Bezpieczenstwa Wewnetrznego) Internal Security Agency have one special unit - V Counter-terrorist Activities and Realization's Safety Department of Internal Security Agency (V WYdzial Zebezpieczenia Realizacji i Dzialan Antyterrorystycznych Agencji Bezpieczenstwa Wewnetrznego) (translation could be wrong) - one of the most secretive units in Poland. When spy from other countries are localize in Poland this unit will be responsible for detaining them.
Straz Graniczna (Border Guard) - Activities Safety Department of Polish Border Guard (Wydzial Zabezpieczenia Dzialan Strazy Granicznej) - main special unit of Polish Border Guard. And couple of local special platoons.
Bureu of tresury have one central unit (Grupa Realizacyjna Biura Dokumentacji Skarbowej) and couple of small units in major cities.
Regards ;)

[perdurabo]

Well it WAS department in Police but it was just disbanded two months ago they changed them into normal section in policeWho told you that? The BOA still exists, just two days ago they conducted large AT training in Warsaw at the PKiN.

now there is a big chaos in "masked" units in Poland even railway security has own "anti-terririst group" witch is veeeery weak with very old equipment and without proper training they made fashion for SF units so every one wants to be cool and have oneEkhm... I suggest you to tell about facts not spread rumors, ok? This is also not true. There isn't ANY AT group in the SOK and never was.
BOAfew months ago was independent yes? and now its part of cbś... :]
so you never seen pics of them?:) i saw sok masked with tactical vests and urban grey cammo they where doing excercizes taking over railway cart(? wagon? how this thing is caled in english...) they where using old rak and old guns even no glocks no H&K only stuff from 60-80' :) thats why they are big joke to made impresion how super they are even security officers now try to look like SF thoguh mofos it's fashion :)

[Kruglerek]

Warsaw SPAT (now BOA)
http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v102/Samael77/21.jpg
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[Kruglerek]

Warsaw SPAT (now BOA)
http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v102/Samael77/21.jpg
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[Kruglerek]

One of border guard special platoons
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[Kruglerek]

Activities Safety Department of Polish Border Guard
http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v102/Samael77/44.jpg

[REMOV]

BOAfew months ago was independent yes? and now its part of cbś... Nope. BOA and CBS are always parts of KGP i.e. Polish Police. So, there were and are just parts of Police.

i saw sok masked with tactical vests and urban grey cammo they where doing excercizes taking over railway cart(? wagon? how this thing is caled in english...) A car in the American English or a carriage/coach in British English.

The SOK (=Sluzba Ochrony Kolei, Railway Security Service) never has AT units and also has own uniforms different than AT metro or green BDUs. Despite what you've seen there isn't any AT unit inside SOK. They can train with SPAT units but it means nothing.

[Kruglerek]

I didn't write that this unit is AT unit. It's special unit tasked with special misions other than misions of regular SOK officers.

[mack pl]

About this SOK unit-if i remember,mjr.Kups was instructor in this unit(maybe im wrong).BTW this BOR special unit is former Kompania Manewrowa NJW(1 Warszawska brygada zmotoryzowana)?Regards :)

[REMOV]

http://www.polska-zbrojna.pl/img/artykul/1060.jpg
Common AT training:
the Katowice's SPAT Unit and soldiers from 18. bdsz of the 6. BDSz (18th Assault Battalion of 6th Air Assault Brigade).

[REMOV]

http://www.imageshack.us/files2/sniper3.jpg
The Police sharpshooter and a observer... somewhere in Poland (yes, it is 7,62mm SVD rifle) ;)

[mack pl]

[quote="REMOV"]http://www.polska-zbrojna.pl/img/artykul/1060.jpg
This soldiers are from Recon platoon-18 BDSz.Regards :)

[REMOV]

I didn't write that this unit is AT unit. It's special unit tasked with special misions other than misions of regular SOK officers.It didn't write it to you, right? ;)

But, I checked this out. In the SOK there is newly created SGI (=Specjalna Grupa Interwencyjna, Special Intervetion Group), but there are not old guys, and it is just something like a little bit better armored, trained and equiped part of this state security agency.

[BiZ]

No idea who these guys except that they're Polish and they're Police..

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/4458/poland78za.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/241/poland68gq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/8232/poland44yu.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/9500/poland22rb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/1624/poland13fl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Catch22]

Subway pics are older material from ZOA training. Others are some SPAP (SWAT) local detachments, most probably. Kruglerek will know. ;)

[Kruglerek]

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/9500/poland22rb.jpg
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/1624/poland13fl.jpg
part time tac team from Poznań

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/4458/poland78za.jpg
Antiterrorist Section (Sekcja Antyterrorystyczna - SAT) from Kielce

[Kruglerek]

Some new pics of ZOA:

http://ww2.tvp.pl/tvppl/images/2005/08/25/274388/img500.jpg
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[Blackburn]

Hey, I found my car in this Pic! rofl
But...but why in Poland? :cantbeli:

:D

Joke!


Great Pic's!

[Blackburn]

Hey, I found my car in this Pic! rofl
But...but why in Poland? :cantbeli:

:D

Joke!


Great Pic's!

Edit: Sorry 4 double post, amigos!
...pls delete this one.
Thx

[Chrobry]

Hey, I found my car in this Pic! ROFL
But...but why in Poland?

Blackburn
Location Germany