Some pictures of Pales. fighters [Archive]

Javehn

02-05-2004, 05:26 PM

Allrighty then , here you have some picture of Pali fighters from last Intifada .

http://images1.fotki.com/v1/photos/6/6059/103216/capt.1017336163-vi.jpg

http://images2.fotki.com/v2/photos/6/6059/103216/capt.1017395339-vi.jpg
Perhaps some back problems ? Try Ben Gay .. ;)

http://images2.fotki.com/v2/photos/6/6059/103216/capt.1017437253-vi.jpg

http://images1.fotki.com/v1/photos/6/6059/103216/1016820839-vi.jpg

http://images1.fotki.com/v3/photos/6/6059/103216/4420029-vi.jpg
This one taken in Nablus .

http://images1.fotki.com/v5/photos/6/6059/103216/417022-vi.jpg
Planting explosives .

http://images1.fotki.com/v4/photos/6/6059/103216/511021-vi.jpg
Airsoft Gaza .

http://images1.fotki.com/v4/photos/6/6059/103216/5110202-vi.jpg

http://images1.fotki.com/v5/photos/6/6059/103216/65021-vi.jpg

http://images1.fotki.com/v4/photos/6/6059/103216/65023-vi.jpg
Young enough , Nielsen ?

http://images1.fotki.com/v3/photos/6/6059/103216/617021-vi.jpg
Da gang from da hood , ya

http://images1.fotki.com/v1/photos/6/6059/103216/813025-vi.jpg

http://images1.fotki.com/v1/photos/6/6059/103216/813024-vi.jpg

http://images1.fotki.com/v1/photos/6/6059/103216/813023-vi.jpg

http://images1.fotki.com/v1/photos/6/6059/103216/813021-vi.jpg

http://images1.fotki.com/v1/photos/6/6059/103216/813022-vi.jpg
I think that's PA police post in Gaza . They often shooted at IDF patrols , cand suddenly they started to desappear ...

http://images1.fotki.com/v1/photos/6/6059/103216/81302-vi.jpg

http://images1.fotki.com/v8/photos/6/6059/103216/926023-vi.jpg

http://images1.fotki.com/v9/photos/6/6059/103216/92802-vi.jpg

UkrainianAmerican

02-05-2004, 05:35 PM

Could you clarify please if this is from first intifada or the current one?
Thanks

Javehn

02-05-2004, 05:36 PM

this one .

One?

02-05-2004, 05:50 PM

Could you clarify please if this is from first intifada or the current one?
Thanks

RPG = this intifada, more like this year. I wonder how these things made it inside without detection.

Those look more like posers for cameras. But ya they remind of the lebanese civil war. They used to stand around corners and take turns shooting. And everyone once in a while they would start swearing at eachother then shoot a bit more.

ExtraT

02-05-2004, 07:16 PM

They are just a bunch of pathetic scarecrows. :)

This picture has a funny conclusion:

http://images2.fotki.com/v2/photos/6/6059/103216/capt.1017437253-vi.jpg

http://images2.fotki.com/v2/photos/6/6059/103216/1017400911-vi.jpg
http://images1.fotki.com/v3/photos/6/6059/103216/capt.1017437462-vi.jpg
http://images1.fotki.com/v1/photos/6/6059/103216/capt.1017437458-vi.jpg
http://images1.fotki.com/v3/photos/6/6059/103216/capt.1017437597-vi.jpg

cut

02-05-2004, 07:21 PM

that's fuicking great that is :roll:

ExtraT

02-05-2004, 07:31 PM

Of course it is. It's a cheap fake :)

el_kab0ng

02-05-2004, 11:36 PM

That last series of shots where the Palestinian was shot was actually published in Time magazine.

The guy was tagged by an Israeli sniper. All dressed up, and tagged in the first 30 seconds.... Seems like what happens to me in Socom II alot... :cantbeli:

Jack Mehoff

02-05-2004, 11:50 PM

The pictures are either fake or the photographer got balls and talent

ExtraT

02-06-2004, 12:27 AM

The pictures are either fake or the photographer got balls and talent

He has neither - look at the "blood" trail on the last picture.

Generally speaking, the media rarely has balls. They usually prefer to pay for a show, than to shoot real action. And the fact that these pictures were in Time magazine is no proof of anything. Time magazine has a track record for extremely low quality material.

Uninen

02-06-2004, 12:56 AM

Well..

i would think that..

http://images1.fotki.com/v1/photos/6/6059/103216/capt.1017437458-vi.jpg

AT this point the mess should already be quite ugly..

But.. never say ever..

But this man was supposedly shot to the head.. theres no mess.. no blood or brains..

http://www.isayeret.com/units/land/special/217/gallery1.htm

http://www.isayeret.com/units/land/special/217/217d.jpg

http://www.isayeret.com/units/land/special/217/217c.jpg

These 2 are positively after head shot(s)..

Look the link i gave for more info.

Dalleer

02-06-2004, 12:59 AM

http://images1.fotki.com/v1/photos/6/6059/103216/813025-vi.jpg

Airsoft Gaza .

Yeah, AST Gaza has some cool kit, apparently.

Uninen

02-06-2004, 01:14 AM

Oh,

Just newermind what i just said..

As Israelis use .22 LR to snipe also..

http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/sws/ruger/ruger-2.jpg
Operator armed with the Ruger 10/22 Suppressed sniper rifle during the Israeli-Palestinian clashes in the Territories,
October 2000.

He must have been killed with one of these..

Thats why all of them just stand there unalarmed..

As they didnt hear **** happen..

Also,

Using .22 LR very much explains the relatively 'clean' outcome..

(no massive exit wounds..)

:cantbeli:

soma

02-06-2004, 01:32 AM

The equipment seems to be modern, and well kempt. Especially those assualt vests.

ExtraT

02-06-2004, 02:10 AM

Oh,

Just newermind what i just said..

As Israelis use .22 LR to snipe also..

He must have been killed with one of these..

.22 LR is used very rarely nowadays, but I wasn't talking about the amount of blood, although you are correct - there is too little of it. I was talking about the way it was spread on the pavement. SUpposedly, the guy collapsed on the pavement, and the blood dripped on it, and then his friends started dragging him. If so, then why is the smear going BEYOND the guy? Did they drag him once, then return him and then started dragging him again? :)
Combine this with an uncharacterstically brave photographer, lack of any fire from the bad guys, the studio-perfect quality of the photographs and the guy's hand stuck in the air (he is, supposedly, unconscious.) - and you get the idea.

Uninen

02-06-2004, 02:24 AM

The another guy dragging the corpse stepped into that blood?

:|

Hard to say..

SeanAshi

02-06-2004, 05:20 AM

http://www.isayeret.com/units/land/special/217/564.jpg
I like this picture ;)

Steve Andrews

02-06-2004, 06:07 AM

http://images1.fotki.com/v1/photos/6/6059/103216/81302-vi.jpg

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

SeanAshi

02-06-2004, 10:56 PM

http://images1.fotki.com/v3/photos/6/6059/103216/capt.1017437597-vi.jpg
He's faking it. Those pictures were taken by PBS They were filming for Battle for the Holy Land. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/holy/
It has video clips of the guy getting shot by IDF Soldiers.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/siege/

wholagun

02-06-2004, 11:10 PM

how is the resistence to the IDF. Is it well organized? Do they really offer stiff resistence or is it chaotic and they Palesitinians are running around like chickens with thier heads cut off?f Just wondering

usa320

02-06-2004, 11:28 PM

Its for the most part organized chaos. No central structure, just thugs with guns shooting at anything Israeli. Only the major Terrorist groups (Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad) have figures of authority- most of the resistance is just street fighters and gunmen. They lack proper training, and in most cases equipment, and they tactically are far behind the IDF.

SeanAshi

02-06-2004, 11:45 PM

Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas on Earth, so the Palestinians would be more organized there, then in the West Bank, but that is one of the reasons for the constants raids, travel restrictions, and curfews, keep arresting terrorist taking what arms they have, don't give them a chance to organize or plan attacks, but you can't stop them all, and sometimes some will slip into Israel.

One?

02-06-2004, 11:48 PM

IMO while fighting in urban areas anyone with a gun can kill regardless of training, technology or weapons. ****y trapping houses, road bombs, sewers, etc...

how is the resistence to the IDF. Is it well organized? Do they really offer stiff resistence or is it chaotic and they Palesitinians are running around like chickens with thier heads cut off?f Just wondering

It took the IDF more days to take the Jenin Camp (or the old city in nablus?) than it took to defeat the arabs in the six day war. So I guess the palastinians managed to resist.

SeanAshi

02-06-2004, 11:59 PM

One tell us, how many were killed in Jenin?

el_kab0ng

02-07-2004, 12:57 AM

mustamato

02-07-2004, 01:05 AM

And besides, in the PBS clip they said that he was hit in the neck, and
not in the head.

SeanAshi

02-07-2004, 02:55 AM

You know....if "not enough blood" is what you call "fake", think about this medical wonder
He died from the neck shot, I was just being a smartass when I said he is faking it.

Nizark

02-07-2004, 02:56 AM

http://images1.fotki.com/v4/photos/6/6059/103216/511021-vi.jpg

Looks like Fidel Castro...or maybe a darker Steven Spilsberg

Anyone know what kind of projectile/launcher those guys are carrying?

Javehn

02-07-2004, 04:55 AM

You know....if "not enough blood" is what you call "fake", think about this medical wonder. When your heart stops pumping, you stop bleeding. If he was killed outright, there would be no blood beyond what was spurted out as his heart beated one or two more times before death.
This picture is so fake , and just because even they aren't so stupid to stand in the middle of the street together like this . You obviosly offcorse don't know how shooted man looks like , but for that i can forgive you . There are no single shell case near them , there should be some sort of smoke near they guns (if they are so stupid to stand this way , that it can be only if they firing , and there will be always sort of smoke from the weapon) . This all picture is looking to clean to be real , not mentioning the fact that rarely cameramen are in the middle of real firefights .

.22LR is not a "thing of the past" for the Israeli's. They actively use them for suppressing barking dogs before an incursion, and have been known to knee-cap rock throwers.
What the hell you talking about ?? Show me your sources . Why you inventing stuff up ?

Anyone know what kind of projectile/launcher those guys are carrying?
The launcher called "Albana" , Palestinian self made Propelled rocket .

One tell us, how many were killed in Jenin?

22 IDF soldiers and 56 Palestinians (Even thow Palestinian managed to claim genocide and killing over thousand people there in mass murder ) .
The battle was the most hardest in operation of "defence wall" .

how is the resistence to the IDF. Is it well organized? Do they really offer stiff resistence or is it chaotic and they Palesitinians are running around like chickens with thier heads cut off?f Just wondering

It has different structuries . Inside the cities you have some local small gangs that posses some firearms (mostly those gangs also connected to crime) , you have individual people that have firearms , and then you have the millitant part of different organisation , like Fatah , Hamas , Palestinian Jihad . Those organisations worked in military style , with "ranks" , one combined headquearters with head "officer" , that was responcible to entire city .The HQ controlled every fighters from every groops , with different styles of groop , while every groop is responsible to different sector , communication with cell phones , and walky talkies . Those organisation suffered badly in operation "defence wall" , and they almost lack the previous order that had . Bad , yes , the millitant organisation had pretty well organised millitary structure .

SeanAshi

02-07-2004, 05:10 AM

What steps are taken when wanted Palestinians take cover in Hospitals, schools, mosque?

mustamato

02-07-2004, 05:21 AM

Anyone know what kind of projectile/launcher those guys are carrying?
The launcher called "Albana" , Palestinian self made Propelled rocket .

Do you have any specifications on it?

Loco

02-07-2004, 05:43 AM

Generally speaking, the media rarely has balls. They usually prefer to pay for a show, than to shoot real action. And the fact that these pictures were in Time magazine is no proof of anything. Time magazine has a track record for extremely low quality material.
I don´t know what media do you look or read at, but the newspapers I usually read and the tv channels I look at have lot at least 1 journalist in every big, or not so big like in Sierra Leona, conflict, including Palestina, not to talk the ones who has been directly killed by terrorists in Spain for simply having balls. May be you should buy better press.

bluered12

02-07-2004, 08:43 AM

The launcher called "Albana" , Palestinian self made Propelled rocket

This seems to be a quite interesting topic! Do you have some more information about Palestinian homemade weapons? The only other Palstinian homemade weapons I know are the Kassam 2 rocket and some crude selfmade submachineguns using Uzi-magazins which appearded during the first fights in Jenin about 2 years ago. Unfortunately I deleted the pictures of these strange smgs. Thx in advance.

bluered12

02-07-2004, 08:44 AM

ExtraT

02-07-2004, 04:14 PM

Generally speaking, the media rarely has balls. They usually prefer to pay for a show, than to shoot real action.
I don´t know what media do you look or read at, but the newspapers I usually read and the tv channels I look at have lot at least 1 journalist in every big, or not so big like in Sierra Leona, conflict, including Palestina, not to talk the ones who has been directly killed by terrorists in Spain for simply having balls. May be you should buy better press.

"Better press"? Isn't that an oximoron? ;)

Media posing on "occupied terrirtories" is common. I think any IDF soldier that served ther can tell of at least a couple of cases he/she witnessed.

Generally, journalism is one of the worst professions in existance. "Second most ancient", as they call it in Russian, with the most ancient being prostitution. An "objective journalist" is, pretty much, a non-existant animal.

As for those reporters that go into hot places - they are the worst, because for their safety they choose sides in a conflict they know nothing about. They are like voltures, feeding on dead people to build their careers, and when some of them get killed - I say it's obviously not enough, because others keep coming.

ExtraT

02-07-2004, 04:23 PM

You know....if "not enough blood" is what you call "fake", think about this medical wonder...

You are correct. However, this wasn't the indication I used to determine these pics to be fake, it was suggested by somebody else. The far better indication is that the photographer put himself on a line of fire. I'm sorry to shatter your myths about "fearless journalists", but in reality this simply doesn't happen.

ExtraT

02-07-2004, 04:28 PM

http://images1.fotki.com/v4/photos/6/6059/103216/511021-vi.jpg

Looks like Fidel Castro...or maybe a darker Steven Spilsberg

Anyone know what kind of projectile/launcher those guys are carrying?

A fake most probably. Just as fake as this whole photograph :) I especially like how the "RPG guy" has people standing right behind him, while he is ready to fire his "RPG". And the fearless photographer is looking right into it! :lol:

Uninen

02-07-2004, 04:42 PM

.22LR is not a "thing of the past"

:roll:

It isnt..

Both Russian and Chechens have used these in fighting in Grozny..

.22 LR proved lethal up to 100m when used by marksman to shoot to head and neck..

It was also very, very silent as you know..

Chechens even used commercial TOZ rim-rifles with plastic bottle as silencer..

Those too were effective.. and silent!

:cantbeli:

And Russians now have purpose build .22 LR sniper rifle.. SV-99..

;)

http://club.guns.ru/images/sv99/sv99-3.jpg
Valery Shilin with SV-99 .22 LR snipers rifle.

ExtraT

02-07-2004, 04:50 PM

They actively use them for suppressing barking dogs...

Tell me, what are you smoking? What dogs are you talking about???

SeanAshi

02-07-2004, 04:52 PM

Those are real weapons, it looks like one of those qassim missiles (don't think I spelled that correctly) Palestinians are constantly shooting those and mortars at settlements.

A fake most probably. Just as fake as this whole photograph I especially like how the "RPG guy" has people standing right behind him, while he is ready to fire his "RPG
If he was going to fire that then the guy wouldn't be standing behind him, they are probably on there way to attack or on there way to a rally and showing off for the camera

Uninen

02-07-2004, 04:53 PM

Guard dogs..

You have heard of those have you?

;)

ExtraT

02-07-2004, 05:00 PM

IMO while fighting in urban areas anyone with a gun can kill regardless of training...

Especially is he/she is a suicidal fanatic with complete disregard for the lives of the poeple he/she is supposedly fighing for. Which is the usual modus operandi of "palestinian" terrorists. In fact, they go to great lengths to try and maximize civilan casualties. And their spokesmen routinely falsify them.

BTW, I never could understand why does the media routinely allow recognised terrorist organizations to dissiminate their statements? Don't they understand that by doing so they facilitate the terrorists?

ExtraT

02-07-2004, 05:07 PM

Guard dogs.. You have heard of those have you? ;)

Of course I know what a guard dog is. My question wasn't to you - it was to el_kab0ng, so stay out of it for now ;).

Uninen

02-07-2004, 05:07 PM

Freedom of knowledge has something to do with it..

In USSR and in DDR there was no terrorists or opposition.. and see what happened..

;)

(They did however have secret CT units.. so..)

:cantbeli:

ExtraT

02-07-2004, 05:12 PM

Freedom of knowledge has something to do with it..

Unfortunetely, media statements after the fact are part of the terrorist act. More so, the terrorist act is just a prelude, a means to get attention - the main part are the subsequent public statements.

ExtraT

02-07-2004, 05:16 PM

Those are real weapons, it looks like one of those qassim missiles

No. Qassam is a completely defferent kind of missile. A pretty pathetic, BTW :)

they are probably ... on there way to a rally and showing off for the camera

Exactly my point. Only you usually don't have rallies AT NIGHT. :)

If I wanted to show off for the camer, I would at least set it up to look alittle more realistic. They can't do even that, which proves that they are just as fake as this suicide-bomber-bitch that was all dressed up before the camera, showing off her kid, an M-16 and a vest full of grenades.

Uninen

02-07-2004, 05:17 PM

The whole point of terrorism is to get attention..

:cantbeli:

From the media and from the Enemy..

ExtraT

02-07-2004, 05:23 PM

The whole point of terrorism is to get attention..

:cantbeli:

From the media and from the Enemy..

Of course. So, to make the terrosists' work harder, we have to limit the media's ability to facilitate them. This, BTW, doesn't go against the free press right, on the contrary.

Javehn

02-07-2004, 05:59 PM

IDF stoped using Roger long time ago , because it's prooved that its bullets could be letal in some impacts . This days mostly border Police and Special units use it , it's long time ago isn't non-lethal rifle , and isn't used for long time . So if el kaboong trying to rewrite history books , he isn't doing it good . The dog part is really dellirios .

Journalists ussually not present near the firefight, so the ones that coverage it for them are the Palestinian reporters .It's also been prooven that Palestinian reports and reallity do ocassionaly meet in hollidays ...
IDF preventing reporters into the firing zone , just because they can get killed in cross fire , or reveal unnecesary information . From what i saw , genneraly TV crews are affraid from good nice firefight , and as soon as one is starting , they make nice U turn on 80 km/h.

Albana (not Kassam , Albana !! ) is one of Palestinian self producted weapons . It's a cross between RPG and LAW . They have also many weapons , that are self produced from simple pipes .

One?

02-07-2004, 06:05 PM

No. Qassam is a completely defferent kind of missile. A pretty pathetic, BTW

at least they came up with a rocket what did you invent?

Kellhound

02-07-2004, 06:17 PM

Everithing in the Spanish press is clearly pro-palestinian.
No wonder, knowing the news agency that brings news for most papers and tvs is french owned. :roll:

Operation Ivy

02-07-2004, 06:20 PM

Off topic question for Javehn

Why is that on the Merk4 you got 3 7.62 mgs on there, how come you dont have like at least one bigger caliber like 12.7?( or is my info false?)

SeanAshi

02-07-2004, 06:22 PM

Journalists ussually not present near the firefight, so the ones that coverage it for them are the Palestinian reporters .It's also been prooven that Palestinian reports and reallity do ocassionaly meet in hollidays
On *******.com they show videos of their reporters with Palestinian terrorist shooting it out with IDF troops, they usually have good footage

AirZone

02-07-2004, 06:45 PM

No. Qassam is a completely defferent kind of missile. A pretty pathetic, BTW

at least they came up with a rocket what did you invent?

Well one.. all i can say that hey if the pales made a missile and didnt got it from iran like the hizzbala.. it says some thing no ? (even if it cant hit a damn house that is only 2 kms near it rofl)

p.s.

if you really want to laugh try to look for a Qassam lunch.. its just funny when the operator light it up and runs away and then jump on the ground like a dumb ass and than the missile flys to the air and blows up some poor tree rofl

SeanAshi

02-07-2004, 07:14 PM

than the missile flys to the air and blows up some poor tree
How about when their own bombs go off at the wrong time and kill them ;)

Mr. Nielsen

02-07-2004, 07:25 PM

than the missile flys to the air and blows up some poor tree
How about when their own bombs go off at the wrong time and kill them ;)

And this is fun too?

http://www.isayeret.com/units/land/special/217/217c.jpg

Mr. Nielsen

02-07-2004, 07:30 PM

Off topic question for Javehn

Why is that on the Merk4 you got 3 7.62 mgs on there, how come you dont have like at least one bigger caliber like 12.7?( or is my info false?)

Could be based on earlier experiences from Libanon or the 1973 war. Good for supressing AT-teams, but Javehn probably knows if that is the reason.

Javehn

02-07-2004, 07:37 PM

http://www.waronline.org/IDF/pictures/Army/Magach-7/images/504.JPG

It's not Merkava , but the prinsiple is the same . If you look what is mounted on top of the gun , you will see on your surprise Brouning . Multyplay Mg's helps to find infantry in close ranges .

0.5 prooved to be worthless as a machine gun for tank . It had a little or none effect as AA gun , it's fire rate was just to slow for needed to machine gun , and it was worthless on tank , and 3 mg's operate as succesfully . They were used mainly for trainings , and those days they also mounted for operations , when adittional fire power needed , stronger then MG bullets , but not strong as main gun fire power .

Uninen

02-07-2004, 07:47 PM

:roll:

My god thats rusty!

Russian almost take better care of their hardware these days..

;)

Javehn

02-07-2004, 07:54 PM

Are you kidding ?? What is rusty ? IDF tankers are probably the biggest take cares of they equipment . We got laughed from infantry , when we took care on our weapons on dayly basis , even if we almost haven't used it . Tankers maintanance (both personal , and machinery) is the hardest discipline in the IDF . You probably reffering to the sand stripe on the hatch , that not rust , guy ! That's a sand .

SeanAshi , you probably talking about reporters in Gaza , where they drive freely more or less . Yes indeed they have good footage more or less , but most of it in "respectable " distances , when they feeling safe . Trust me , they don't want to die , just like every body else .

Uninen

02-07-2004, 10:41 PM

:roll:

I know what like rusted metal looks alike..

Paint or no paint..

But whatever..

Its not like its my MBT, or anything..

;)

Peace out..

ExtraT

02-07-2004, 10:44 PM

than the missile flys to the air and blows up some poor tree
How about when their own bombs go off at the wrong time and kill them ;)

Not to mention when their cell-phones blow up in mid phone call :lol:

ExtraT

02-07-2004, 10:48 PM

No. Qassam is a completely defferent kind of missile. A pretty pathetic, BTW

at least they came up with a rocket what did you invent?

It's an interesting invention to be proud of - a weapon that is effective (marginally) only against civilian targets. Personally, If I were to invent something like that I wouldn't be proud. You, however, are another story. What are you doing in Canada, I wonder? Laundering money for Hisballah?

And, BTW, Qassam wasn't invented by "pals" - it was designed in Iran, if I remember correctly.

ExtraT

02-07-2004, 10:54 PM

:roll:

I know what like rusted metal looks alike..

I have to agree with you - it's definetly rust. This is a MAGACH, though, and with some of these tanks it's a wonder they still work at all.

Operation Ivy

02-07-2004, 10:57 PM

Thanks for the info Javhen (dont worry bout Uninen if its not Russian its crap ;) )

ExtraT

02-07-2004, 11:00 PM

Mr. Nielsen

02-08-2004, 10:57 AM

And this is fun too?

http://www.isayeret.com/units/land/special/217/217c.jpg

And why exactly would that be fun? More to the point, though, Why are you, Mr. Nielsen, asking stupid questions like that? Even more to the point, what would that have to do with anything?

You seem to find palestinian killing themselves in accidents very amusing.
The picture above shows the leftover of three Israeli soldiers accidentially killed by their own colleagues. In trained and organised armies such accidents happens, so its hardly surprising the palestinians too will have accidents.