PDA

View Full Version : Vatican: Faithful Should Listen to Science



J-10
11-04-2005, 01:02 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051104/ap_on_sc/vatican_science;_ylt=Akk0RgjtEWC0yuKr_KJTzqqs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-
Vatican: Faithful Should Listen to Science
By NICOLE WINFIELD, Associated Press Writer
Thu Nov 3, 2005 7:46 PM ET

VATICAN CITY - A Vatican cardinal said Thursday the faithful should listen to what secular modern science has to offer, warning that religion risks turning into "fundamentalism" if it ignores scientific reason.

Cardinal Paul Poupard, who heads the Pontifical Council for Culture, made the comments at a news conference on a Vatican project to help end the "mutual prejudice" between religion and science that has long bedeviled the Roman Catholic Church and is part of the evolution debate in the United States.

The Vatican project was inspired by Pope John Paul II's 1992 declaration that the church's 17th-century denunciation of Galileo was an error resulting from "tragic mutual incomprehension." Galileo was condemned for supporting Nicolaus Copernicus' discovery that the Earth revolved around the sun; church teaching at the time placed Earth at the center of the universe.

"The permanent lesson that the Galileo case represents pushes us to keep alive the dialogue between the various disciplines, and in particular between theology and the natural sciences, if we want to prevent similar episodes from repeating themselves in the future," Poupard said.

But he said science, too, should listen to religion.

"We know where scientific reason can end up by itself: the atomic bomb and the possibility of cloning human beings are fruit of a reason that wants to free itself from every ethical or religious link," he said.

"But we also know the dangers of a religion that severs its links with reason and becomes prey to fundamentalism," he said.

"The faithful have the obligation to listen to that which secular modern science has to offer, just as we ask that knowledge of the faith be taken in consideration as an expert voice in humanity."

Poupard and others at the news conference were asked about the religion-science debate raging in the United States over evolution and "intelligent design."

Intelligent design's supporters argue that natural selection, an element of evolutionary theory, cannot fully explain the origin of life or the emergence of highly complex life forms.

Monsignor Gianfranco Basti, director of the Vatican project STOQ, or Science, Theology and Ontological Quest, reaffirmed John Paul's 1996 statement that evolution was "more than just a hypothesis."

"A hypothesis asks whether something is true or false," he said. "(Evolution) is more than a hypothesis because there is proof."

He was asked about comments made in July by Austrian Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn, who dismissed in a New York Times article the 1996 statement by John Paul as "rather vague and unimportant" and seemed to back intelligent design.

Basti concurred that John Paul's 1996 letter "is not a very clear expression from a definition point of view," but he said evolution was assuming ever more authority as scientific proof develops.

Poupard, for his part, stressed that what was important was that "the universe wasn't made by itself, but has a creator." But he added, "It's important for the faithful to know how science views things to understand better."

The Vatican project STOQ has organized academic courses and conferences on the relationship between science and religion and is hosting its first international conference on "the infinity in science, philosophy and theology," next week.

ArmedPacifist
11-04-2005, 01:06 AM
right on!

That was very big of them.

EvanL
11-04-2005, 01:07 AM
About time someone spoke up and came to their senses.

hughdotoh
11-04-2005, 01:23 AM
About time someone spoke up and came to their senses.

Bleh. The catholics have always been into science, albeit overtly creationist. it's the bible-banging Jimmy Swaggart-type christians that have to read more secular stuff.

WKD
11-04-2005, 01:35 AM
Many of the Roman clergy are well educated men, so this is no real suprise I guess. A liberation of the stance on birth control would be a real suprise.

WKD

RAA_GnrCheck
11-04-2005, 02:25 AM
its a good idea but i dont think it will ever happen. there alot of skeptics and religious zealots out there.

Inquisitor
11-04-2005, 08:35 AM
good for them

Durandal
11-04-2005, 08:36 AM
"The faithful have the obligation to listen to that which secular modern science has to offer, just as we ask that knowledge of the faith be taken in consideration as an expert voice in humanity."

I guess I should be thankful that he did not say "THE expert voice in humanity".
:roll:

Herrmannek
11-04-2005, 08:41 AM
Birth control? Do you mean abortion or anticonception? Anyway both are against our faiht, one against decalog and one against Jesus order that said: Go and reproduce yourself :). There is not much place left to change an opinion my dear firends :) . And Catholics wer always "scientificaly fit", sometimes they weren't persuaded to one or another valid theory, but we were always close to science and we never turned back to it.

Durandal
11-04-2005, 08:46 AM
Birth control? Do you mean abortion or anticonception? Anyway both are against our faiht, one against decalog and one against Jesus order that said: Go and reproduce yourself :). There is not much place left to change an opinion my dear firends :) . And Catholics wer always "scientificaly fit", sometimes they weren't persuaded to one or another valid theory, but we were always close to science and we never turned back to it.

They did do some pretty massive R&D on burning people at the stake and getting confessions before the pressed them to death.
p-)

Herrmannek
11-04-2005, 09:00 AM
They did do some pretty massive R&D on burning people at the stake and getting confessions before the pressed them to death.
p-)

This wasn't catholic only methodology in the science of the time :).

vryhpyammoadded
11-04-2005, 09:00 AM
Funny, just last weekend some of my friends and I were just talking about science and religion and how the major religions need to make some announcements accepting scientific reason. We figured religion needs to incorporate scientific changes lest it become detrimental to human progress as has happened so often in the past when it rejected reason. Religion that doesn’t accept science is doomed to being detrimental to the public health by way of going down kicking and screaming.
Glad to hear the big man was listening.

Durandal
11-04-2005, 09:21 AM
This wasn't catholic only methodology in the science of the time :).

Well true, I guess they were also VERY open minded then.
:)

Warlord
11-04-2005, 10:18 AM
Birth control? Do you mean abortion or anticonception? Anyway both are against our faiht, one against decalog and one against Jesus order that said: Go and reproduce yourself :). There is not much place left to change an opinion my dear firends :) . And Catholics wer always "scientificaly fit", sometimes they weren't persuaded to one or another valid theory, but we were always close to science and we never turned back to it.

"Go forth and multiply". I think that is the one you're looking for. "Go and reproduce yourself" kinda makes me feel like a gremlin.

I'm catholic, educated in Catholic schools from kindergarten through college. In fact, almost half of the colleges/universities in my country are owned by the catholic church. The preists and nuns I had as teachers/professors, especially in the maths and sciences were very dedicated to their field. Not to mention very strict. They even thought us *** ed in the fourth grade. "Boys have a ***** and girls have a ******" thing. There was even a cut section of the penetration. I guess that was my first **** ever.

uhramechi
11-04-2005, 11:59 AM
WARLORD you make me laugh. and also make me remenber my time of students is mean like 1 years ago. (is mean i and graduated from high school of secondary school the last year)

My first ****o was in a catholic school, but was in third grade lol.

About science and religion , (in my case th ecatholic religion) the science and religions are brothers, the religion is the older brother and the science is the younger, but the science is to rebel to accept it, and the religion too proud to accept a rebel brother.

and really in my personal opinion, i think the science is too proud about hintgs they dont invented, is mean, for exemple, Isaac Newton when the apple fall in his hed and called that force that push the apple to the ground gravity, but he invented not, that was god that created tthat force, is mean, all the natural things and the natural world are made by god, maybe dont exactly the bible say, but really i think was made for god.

but the problem, i see is the science, give names and study all the fact and thing of the natural world, and development the knowledges and with knowledgesd evelopmet the scientic method ( ithink the started the scientifiv method was Descartes) and with tthat appears several science like biology, maths, chemestry, social science, even the democracy was creatde for the knowlegde, the aplication of the knowledge and using the scientific method.

but for that god things the science made give the right to reject god, deny him and deny the religion, i think not, the science give name, definition, and maths simbol of number but all the things of the natural world was creatde by god, no for the science

so that is the mistake of the science, deny god only for give names to the things that god creatde, and sadly that mistake is make for the atheism, the leftish and socialist believeing that mistake only are building the road to the selfdestruction.

by the way i am not anti science, i am favour or pro the science, but i am not agree to deny god for the proud of sme scientific and some "iluminated" people, and also i will study engineering in computer science so i will scientif lol so i can be anti science is would study science. bye god bless you