No more bs on the thread "Chinese soldier"

[mlgbwk]

I am so sad about what you said in that thread.

Some of you just behave like ****in stupid kids, such as
"I wonder how he looked next hour and then 2 hours later "
and
"Surely, oppression of freedom, state-sactioned murder, and intimidation doesn't still continue in Tiananmen Square? "
"Communist sucks"...

Most of you NEVER been to TAM and maybe you NEVER been to China, you were NOT there at June 4th 1989, so plz shut -the-****-up and stop
bitching like ignorant kids.

If sum1 say : "Look at that stupid soldier guarding the unknown soldiers, he sucks, I wonder why so many americans came to Euro and died there w/o any sense in WARII, although they claimed they won! lol", it's not even funny, right?

The soldier in this pic has not do anything wrong and he never hurt you guys, he is just on his duty, it's a shame of you who laughing at such a soldier, I mean it.

I know some of you, not most, will start bitching, but I will stop here, coz
it is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.

muhahahaha

[Maverick77]

why do you care what people say on an internet forum

[Seraphim]

Alot of people care.

[Uninen]

I dont think that nobody actually cares..

But those American kids he was talking about..

(Or Canadian adults.. that think that they are Americans.. :lol: )

Can sometimes be so ignorant that they actually get on ones nerves..

:petting:

[Maverick77]

Alot of people care.

why

[Seraphim]

That question should be answered by yourself.

[Maverick77]

No I dont understand why people would care about something so insignificant.

therefore i cant answer it myself

[soma]

It's funny how people say others should have no right to say something if they weren't there, and then that person themselves wasn't their either ;D

[Jack Mehoff]

No, i never been to China. But i do know that communist do sucks.

[Seraphim]

No, i never been to China. But i do know that communist do sucks.

Me love you long time GI
Sucky sucky fi dolla

[Uninen]

No, i never been to China. But i do know that communist do sucks.

:roll:

Capitalists arent any better,

Actually they are even worse.. if you just would stop and think for a second you would realize that..

:petting:

[usa320]

your candied ass wouldnt last an hour under communism.

Anyone who thinks communism is better than capitalism has been a damn good subject of brainwashing.

On paper, in theory, in the perfect society, Communism works- but when applied it doesnt. It fails. It leads to corruption, violence, abuses and human rights violations.

[Falco]

No, i never been to China. But i do know that communist do sucks.

:roll:

Capitalists arent any better,

Actually they are even worse.. if you just would stop and think for a second you would realize that..

:petting:


That's arguable look at the living conditions in canada compared to China, Cuba, North Korea or Vietnam.

[Salty Dog]

Most of you NEVER been to TAM and maybe you NEVER been to China, you were NOT there at June 4th 1989, so plz shut -the-f***-up and stop
bitching like ignorant kids.

the only one here bitching is you.

[Jack Mehoff]

No, i never been to China. But i do know that communist do sucks.

:roll:

Capitalists arent any better,

Actually they are even worse.. if you just would stop and think for a second you would realize that..

:petting:

Really? :lol: How often do you see people from communist countries flee away communism, especially educated people?

I don't need to think about it. Why? My dad and one million of his countrymen flee Vietnam since the fall of Saigon and I spent one whole year in Vietnam for my LDS mission.

Communism will never work as long as the human greed exists

[duck]

Seraphim's satirical(?) view of Asia is one that a lot of western guys believe in. I've had so many encounters where Australian, American and British guys only refer to Asian girls as a "good f*ck" or "easy lay" that I tend to believe this is not a minority view but a mainstream thing. The same guys wouldn't often dare to approach a "white"/western girl with the same attitude but show a different character when roaming the bars in Roppongi or the seedy quarters of Seoul and Pusan.

This phenomenon has interesting follow-ups when you do business with Asian companies. When you have your first dinners/drinking partys with Asian guys they are often quiten tense on the subject and only straight and honest talk can build up trust. Not that they wouldn't like to hit on some blonde girls... ;)

[Seraphim]

Seraphim's satirical(?) view of Asia is one that a lot of western guys believe in. I've had so many encounters where Australian, American and British guys only refer to Asian girls as a "good f*ck" or "easy lay" that I tend to believe this is not a minority view but a mainstream thing. The same guys wouldn't often dare to approach a "white"/western girl with the same attitude but show a different character when roaming the bars in Roppongi or the seedy quarters of Seoul and Pusan.

This phenomenon has interesting follow-ups when you do business with Asian companies. When you have your first dinners/drinking partys with Asian guys they are often quiten tense on the subject and only straight and honest talk can build up trust. Not that they wouldn't like to hit on some blonde girls... ;)


I only posted that to coincide with jacks "communist sucks" comment. I didnt mean to offend anyone if I did.

[catchv22]

Remember, that hooker was a south vietnamese hooker. So it was democracy giving the blowjob that time.

[Jack Mehoff]

It's real easy to get lay in most Asian countries. Trust me, i would know.

[Jack Mehoff]

Remember, that hooker was a south vietnamese hooker. So it was democracy giving the blowjob that time.

Come again?

[Seraphim]

It's real easy to get lay in most Asian countries. Trust me, i would know.

You can say that in any country though.

[duck]

Jackstud, I was offered the chance with a beautful femme in Korea once, but she ended up doing my bachelor quarter's dishes once we arrived there. We had a 4a.m chicken dinner in a nearby diner afterwards and it was enough to see her hearty appetite to understand I could never satisfy her. The hangover the next morning was...something to experience.

[mocking_loudly_died]

Asian fetishes are my business.

P.S Commies suck

[AFACadet]

P.S Commies suck

x2

[LeMat]

Guys. How many of you lived in socialistic country? Just few of you. And I see, that the most loud of you are from US, Canada and other capitalistic countries. Sorry guys but you don`t know absolutely nothing about life in socialistic country. So please SHUT UP! When Poland was socialistic country there were many bad thing and many good. Of course - people were much poorer, there weren`t free press and so on. But everyone had jod, crime was terribly low and so on. So you can`t say it was worse - it was different. Other rules, other profits. I don`t want it back, but I see light and dark sides of socialism. So please - don`t judge things which you don`t know. OK?
And one more thing - communism will be paradise on earth. Communism in not socialism. Remember that.

[volfram]

Guys. How many of you lived in socialistic country? Just few of you. And I see, that the most loud of you are from US, Canada and other capitalistic countries. Sorry guys but you don`t know absolutely nothing about life in socialistic country. So please SHUT UP! When Poland was socialistic country there were many bad thing and many good. Of course - people were much poorer, there weren`t free press and so on. But everyone had jod, crime was terribly low and so on. So you can`t say it was worse - it was different. Other rules, other profits. I don`t want it back, but I see light and dark sides of socialism. So please - don`t judge things which you don`t know. OK?
And one more thing - communism will be paradise on earth. Communism in not socialism. Remember that.
Except movies there was no good think in our country at that time.

[mustamato]

Communism works. Just look at Sweden :)

[LeMat]

Except movies there was no good think in our country at that time.

I`m not so sure. Crime was lower, unemployment was lower, my father being 17 years old could buy himself a motorbike (was able to earn enought money during hollidays). And now? Do you know any 17 years old boy who can earn (during hollidays) enought money to buy himself new motor? Sorry not all was bad also not all was good.

[Jack Mehoff]

Socialism would never work as long as the human greed exists

[Herrmannek]

Except movies there was no good think in our country at that time.

I`m not so sure. Crime was lower, unemployment was lower, my father being 17 years old could buy himself a motorbike (was able to earn enought money during hollidays). And now? Do you know any 17 years old boy who can earn (during hollidays) enought money to buy himself new motor? Sorry not all was bad also not all was good.

:petting:

-Crime was lower-because you could steal not breaking the law. Additionally communists didn't want to reveal real crime level so official data from that time isn't reliable...

-Yeah you could buy motorbike...you mean moped :), if you got luck and won lotery with allowed you to buy it. People were spending whole life savings to buy this...
http://adamooo.w.interia.pl/a/maluch.jpg
Almost everything was worse back then than now, people who say that was better, were young then and don't remember or knew **** about things happening around them....

[AFACadet]

If Communism is 'not that bad' they why:

--Do thousands of people in Cuba try to come over to the US every year. No one goes the other way

--A booming industry in China exists to smuggle people into the US and Canada. No one goes the other way.

--Vietnam is now reforming itself to be more like the West

--China is becoming more and more capitalist every day

--South Korea has a booming economey and a good standard of living, while just a few miles away, North Korea does not even have many lights on at night.

And During the Cold War

--60,000 NK POWs didn't want to return back north. It was one of the reasons the war lasted 2 more years than it had to and the communists were so shocked at the numbers that they started sending hardcore communists to be caputerd so they could try and slowly change those people's minds from inside the POW camps.

--thousands upon thousands of people left NK after it became communist, but the same thing didn't happen to the South

--The population of East Berlin started leaving to go West--until the Berlin Wall was built--and even then, people still continued to go West. No one went the other way.

--Tens upon Tens upon Tens of MILLIONS have died under communist 'purges' throughout the world and in famine since 1917 (not counting war related stuff), But at the same time (not counting war related stuff), the West (and many countries in the EAST) have not even experenced something remotely similar

--there are only 4 main communist countries left in the world and only one of them can compete on the international scene.

--when the Iron Curten fell, I seem to remember Europe dancing in the streets. What kind of governemnt system forces people to stay inside a group of countries with landmines, machine guns, and huge walls or fences



Just some basic things I don't understand

[Jack Mehoff]

That's why commy like LeMat still has his head up and his ass and doesn't know it

[mustamato]

If Communism is 'not that bad' they why:

--Do thousands of people in Cuba try to come over to the US every year. No one goes the other way

Perhaps because the illegal US sanctions have ruined Cuba?


--A booming industry in China exists to smuggle people into the US and Canada. No one goes the other way.

Really?


--Vietnam is now reforming itself to be more like the West

Really?


--China is becoming more and more capitalist every day

Yeah, they are obviously communistic by name only.


--South Korea has a booming economey and a good standard of living, while just a few miles away, North Korea does not even have many lights on at night.

They are communistic by name only. Marx would have teared his hair off
if he saw what Il-Jong did. I would rather say Orwellian. And I wouldn´t
really call the dictatorship in South Korea during the 80´s a paradise either.
The South Korean workers of today don´t seem to have many rights either.

[Falco]

--A booming industry in China exists to smuggle people into the US and Canada. No one goes the other way.


Really?


Yeah we have them coming to Vancouver in containers or old ships that are barely sea-worthy.[/quote]

[Jack Mehoff]

musthaveforgotmymedication,

Have you even been to Asia at all? Any of your parents risk their life to flee the commy? Do you even know any political refugees from commy country?

Take a ****ing trip to southern California and you see a million of them over here.

[mustamato]

musthaveforgotmymedication,

Have you even been to Asia at all? Any of your parents risk their life to flee the commy? Do you even know any political refugees from commy country?

Take a f*** trip to southern California and you see a million of them over here.

Ah, people that benefited from Batistuta I guess.

Did you pay for your asian lay or did you get it for free? Just curious.

[Jack Mehoff]

musthaveforgotmymedication,

Have you even been to Asia at all? Any of your parents risk their life to flee the commy? Do you even know any political refugees from commy country?

Take a f*** trip to southern California and you see a million of them over here.

Ah, people that benefited from Batistuta I guess.

Did you pay for your asian lay or did you get it for free? Just curious.

You don't even know what people would do to get out of Vietnam. The girls there just love anyone with a title "Viet Kieu"

[AFACadet]

--A booming industry in China exists to smuggle people into the US and Canada. No one goes the other way.


Really?


Yeah we have them coming to Vancouver in containers or old ships that are barely sea-worthy.[/quote]

Yup, it happens all along the West Coast of North America.


I don't know about Canada, but usually the ones the Port Authorities of Seattle actually find are dead. They are not sure how many get through as well.

[Falco]

--A booming industry in China exists to smuggle people into the US and Canada. No one goes the other way.


Really?


Yeah we have them coming to Vancouver in containers or old ships that are barely sea-worthy.

Yup, it happens all along the West Coast of North America.


I don't know about Canada, but usually the ones the Port Authorities of Seattle actually find are dead. They are not sure how many get through as well.[/quote]

Especially the ones in containers, Usually they're just starving because they havent eatenin a few days.

[LeMat]

Sorry Guys - I`m not communist. I`m liberal. But I try to look on life from both sides. Socialism wasn`t bad in 100%. Capitalism also isn`t good in 100%. There were better and worse things in socialism. Just compare number of murderers in Poland in 1979 and 1999. Compare unemployments and so on. Try to understand - world isn`t black and white. World has billions versions of grey.
And to Herrmannek - it wasn`t moped it was WSK (if I remember correctly).

[Jack Mehoff]

Try to look life on both sides :lol: How about try to LIVE on both sides??

[epc]

--A booming industry in China exists to smuggle people into the US and Canada. No one goes the other way.

Really?



Yes. And it's not just North America. People-smuggling into Europe is also a big problem. Recall what happened 1 or 2 years ago when snakeheads smuggled Chinese in a refrigerated container from Amsterdam to Dover, England. The refrigeration/ventilation unit was not working and ten's of people in the container died of asphyxiaton.

And people who get offended when the Chinese soldiers were viewed less than admirably because of Tian An Men Square Massacre/Incident have no one to blame but the Chinese People's Liberation Army soldiers themselves. One does not have to be there in person to be shocked by photos of tank/APC columns, battles, and rows of dead civilians, some of whom had obviously been rolled over by "something heavy." PLA was famous for its absolute obediance, iron discipline and its close association to the common people (read, the students, workers and peasants during the revolutionary days). Unfortunately, during the period leading up to June 4th, 1989 and on that very day, the PLA chose to put its obediance to the Chinese Communist Party and discipline ahead of its association with the people, and turned its mechanized units on students and workers.

However indignant you might be when people speak of PLA and TAM in one breath, you cannot say they were wrong or ignorant. To try to then associate TAM and Kent State together in an attempt to bring the US Army down to the same level of PLA in terms of brutality to its own citizens is merely a sleight of hand that ignores the scope and background of both tragedies. Less than 1 platoon of National Guardsmen (read, part-time soldiers) in momentary panic during a firing incident that lasted seconds does not equate to several best divisions in PLA equipped with tanks and APC's that concentrated and marched under a plan devised by its highest command authority during an operation that lasted at least days perhaps weeks.

[Mark Sman]

Perhaps because the illegal US sanctions have ruined Cuba?

1. Whats illegal about them? Please site the specific code and authority or I'm going to assume that is not the case.

2. Cuba can do business with everyone else but the U.S.

Canada, South American countries, Eurpoean countries all do business with Cuba. If the Cubans can't get things going, with 99% of the world, its not the 1% they don't do business with's fault.

3. Communism sucks. The mounatious piles of corpses this insipid little mental jerkoff of an idea has brought to the world are enough to wake up most folks. Anyone who still doesn't get it is mentally suspect to say the least. Either brainwashed by some system of BS, or incapable of measuring fact and faction.

4. People flee from communist countries to capatilist ones. Cold hard fact. They don't go the other direction. But that's something I'm willing to change. We should start a group of good capatilists that are willing to buy one-way plane tickets to Pyonyang for any nimrod that wants one.

5. "Its easy to get laid in Asia." Its easy to get laid anywhere, but thats just personal experience. Your actual mileage may vary.

[German_American]

Why would you want any form of communism. You don't really own anything and your pretty much poor because you live off of everyone. I never lived under communisim but I love living under capitalism. I don't get how anyone wouldn't want nice homes to live in, nice cars, the chance from being poor to working your ass off and becomming rich. I just dont understand how you would want to work your ass off for nothing. Call me ignorant to the subject but communism sounds like a scary thing, sounds worse then any type of government I have ever heard of. People who like communism, are you really willing to live a life of poverty just so everyone lives equal and in harmony. That just sounds ridiculous to me.

[LeMat]

Try to look life on both sides :lol: How about try to LIVE on both sides??

I`ve tried - Poland beetween 1944 and 1989 was socialistic country but since 1989 is capitalistic country. So I`ve tried both. I prefer capitalism, but some things in socialism were better than now (some - not all).

To German_American
Socialism in`t communism. In communism everyone will be good guys, everyone will help you for free, everyone will be extreme rich - you will have everything. No crimes, no money - you will have everything you want. Communism is a kind of Utopia - something impossible - a paradise on earth. Socialism is something different. Remember socialism isn`t communism. Socialism was a "chapter" - a part of way to communism. Remember that.

[Herrmannek]

Socialism in`t communism. In communism everyone will be good guys, everyone will help you for free, everyone will be extreme rich - you will have everything. No crimes, no money - you will have everything you want. Communism is a kind of Utopia - something impossible - a paradise on earth. Socialism is something different. Remember socialism isn`t communism. Socialism was a "chapter" - a part of way to communism. Remember that.

Communism isn't about having everything it's about having nothing because idea of possesion doesn't exist in communism, so it's rather crapy from definition and far away from Utopia...
Here you have paraphrase of old saying:
If something is for everybody it is for nobody....

[TriggerPuller]

Mustamato, I really hope that one day we can meet in person!!!!!!!

TP

[Jack Mehoff]

How would you like it if the computer you bought with your own money is also a possession of a lazy ass guy next door?

[UoUo]

I whould more then happy to move into a cumonist "kibuz".

[IDFM203]

I whould more then happy to move into a cumonist "kibuz".Sorry to say, but not me !!.....except for a couple, most of them have failed.

Yeah they worked great in the beginning, for those times, but that was it.

Shalom :D

[UoUo]

I whould more then happy to move into a cumonist "kibuz".Sorry to say, but not me !!.....except for a couple, most of them have failed.

Yeah they worked great in the beginning, for those times, but that was it.

Shalom :D

Hmm....what about "yutvata" and "sfahim" and "mshabey sadhe" in those days those "kibuzim" are great place to live in...at least in my opinian.

sabat shalom. :hug:

BTW : just to add...great people came out from the "kibuzim" alot of pilots...and SP units. woot

[IDFM203]

I whould more then happy to move into a cumonist "kibuz".Sorry to say, but not me !!.....except for a couple, most of them have failed.

Yeah they worked great in the beginning, for those times, but that was it.

Shalom :D

Hmm....what about "yutvata" and "sfahim" and "mshabey sadhe" in those days those "kibuzim" are great place to live in...at least in my opinian. True that’s why I said except for a couple.

And yes in those days, they worked but Israel has advanced much further since those days :D

BTW : just to add...great people came out from the "kibuzim" alot of pilots...and SP units. Woot True indeed…though that was alot more in the past…today a lot of the good SF units are made of a lot of “Mitnachalim” and people from the “shtachim”



sabat shalom. :hug: Shabbat shalom to you as well :hug: :D

[AFACadet]

So there was this girl in college. Lets call her Jill. She liked Socialism (the 'communist' kind). In fact, she and all her teachers like Socialism--a lot. They tried to get everyone else around to also embrace the ideology. Socialism would keep crime down, rid the world of needy people and keep crooks like Bill Gates from having so much money. No one would ever have to be jobless and prices for goods would stay low.

Jill was a good student and worked EXTREMELY hard all the time. She never went out because she was always working on schoolwork. Although it was tough, she was earning a 4.0 GPA.




Meet Anne. She was a friend of Jill. Anne on the other hand never worked. She was always gone talking with friends and was haveing a very good time at college. She had a constant hangover from the parties she was at the night before. Even though she was having a lot of fun, she had a 2.0 GPA.



Jill went home for the Summer. While at home, she was talking to her dad and telling him the merits of Socialism.

Jill's dad sat there quietly. Somewhere during a sentence about "empowering the masses," Jill's dad got up and went to the phone.

As he started dialing, Jill asked him what he was doing in the middle of her talk.


He responded, "I'm calling the Dean of your college."


"Why?" she asked.




"Well," he responded, "I always hear you talking about your friend Anne and how she parties all the time and how she only has a 2.0 GPA. I'm calling the Dean and asking him to give 1.0 of your GPA and give it to Anne. That way, both of you will have 3.0 GPA and everyone will be equal."


Jill yelled, "WHAT?????!!!! THAT'S NOT FAIR!!!! I worked HARD for my grade. Anne just parties all the time. She does not deserve a 3.0 GPA and especially not part of mine. HOW CAN YOU EVEN SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT!!!! I'm so Angery at you now!"


Jill's dad slowly put down the phone under her screams.


He just looked at her and smiled. "Jill, I see you've learned an important lesson today."


Jill stopped her yelling and wiped away her tears. She stood there for a couple minutes, then slowly went to her room.











After the summer break, Jill returned to college. Her elderly teachers--who had never left the college campus since their voice finished changing--could never figure out why Jill never talked about Socialism again.

[TALOS]

So there was this girl in college. Lets call her Jill. She liked Socialism (the 'communist' kind). In fact, she and all her teachers like Socialism--a lot. They tried to get everyone else around to also embrace the ideology. Socialism would keep crime down, rid the world of needy people and keep crooks like Bill Gates from having so much money. No one would ever have to be jobless and prices for goods would stay low.

Jill was a good student and worked EXTREMELY hard all the time. She never went out because she was always working on schoolwork. Although it was tough, she was earning a 4.0 GPA.




Meet Anne. She was a friend of Jill. Anne on the other hand never worked. She was always gone talking with friends and was haveing a very good time at college. She had a constant hangover from the parties she was at the night before. Even though she was having a lot of fun, she had a 2.0 GPA.



Jill went home for the Summer. While at home, she was talking to her dad and telling him the merits of Socialism.

Jill's dad sat there quietly. Somewhere during a sentence about "empowering the masses," Jill's dad got up and went to the phone.

As he started dialing, Jill asked him what he was doing in the middle of her talk.


He responded, "I'm calling the Dean of your college."


"Why?" she asked.




"Well," he responded, "I always hear you talking about your friend Anne and how she parties all the time and how she only has a 2.0 GPA. I'm calling the Dean and asking him to give 1.0 of your GPA and give it to Anne. That way, both of you will have 3.0 GPA and everyone will be equal."


Jill yelled, "WHAT?????!!!! THAT'S NOT FAIR!!!! I worked HARD for my grade. Anne just parties all the time. She does not deserve a 3.0 GPA and especially not part of mine. HOW CAN YOU EVEN SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT!!!! I'm so Angery at you now!"


Jill's dad slowly put down the phone under her screams.


He just looked at her and smiled. "Jill, I see you've learned an important lesson today."


Jill stopped her yelling and wiped away her tears. She stood there for a couple minutes, then slowly went to her room.



After the summer break, Jill returned to college. Her elderly teachers--who had never left the college campus since their voice finished changing--could never figure out why Jill never talked about Socialism again.

Very interesting, good point isnt it.

[Damn]

Just a thought:

Ideologically-corrupt communism is the tyranny of the state.
Ideologically-corrupt capitalism is the tyranny of the corporation.

:fork:

[Vintendo]

No, most of us have not been in Tianamen Square. But you see, we have this thing called the "Free Press". A lot of Chinese know very little about the Tianemen Square massacre. I know because my mother's hair salon is run by Chinese immigrants.

And Communism is a huge failed experiment. Don't tell me it's better than Capitalism. Ask any Chinese if he would want to go back to the way it was 10 years ago. Hell no.

[El'Potato]

I see that almost everyone here knows nothing or very little about socialism and communism at all.

First of all try to read "Das Kapital" by Marx.

Second: Marxism and socialism is the same thing, communism is something that Lenin invented.



And the example AFA Cadet took was by the least pathetic.
Anyone who has knowledge in socialism knows that it is not about it being equal in pay etc.

It's about distributing all the assets equally.
The slogan for socialism is: "After each and everyones cabability - To each and everyones needs"

So, if you work hard, you will obviously need more resources to take care of yourself and your body than someone who doesn't work as hard.
But the thing is, everyone will have more than enough to go around, but some will need more to go around then/than (god damnit, I can't tell the difference between then/than anymore :| ) others.

And if you are willing to tell me that this system is anywhere near to the systems that Stalin, Mao, Castro and others have used I will kind of laugh at you, then try to see if you are serious, if you are I will laugh even more and then try to find a link to "Das kapital" for you so you can read it yourself!


I think a good phrase would be when facing new, to you ideologies, would be to not facing it with hostility but rather curiosity so you can learn somethings from it and taking the good parts of that into your own system improving it.

Yeah well, this is what I got to say about this.


Edit: Spelling and missing word

[Herrmannek]

I see that almost everyone here knows nothing or very little about socialism and communism at all.

First of all try to read "Das Kapital" by Marx.

Second: Marxism and socialism is the same thing, communism is something that Lenin invented.



And the example AFA Cadet took was by the least pathetic.
Anyone who has knowledge in socialism knows that it is not about it being equal in pay etc.

It's about distributing all the assets equally.
The slogan for socialism is: "After each and everyones cabability - To each and everyones needs"

So, if you work hard, you will obviously need more resources to take care of yourself and your body than someone who doesn't work as hard.
But the thing is, everyone will have more than enough to go around, but some will need more to go around then/than (god damnit, I can't tell the difference between then/than anymore :| ) others.

And if you are willing to tell me that this system is anywhere near to the systems that Stalin, Mao, Castro and others have used I will kind of laugh at you, then try to see if you are serious, if you are I will laugh even more and then try to find a link to "Das kapital" for you so you can read it yourself!


I think a good phrase would be when facing new, to you ideologies, would be to not facing it with hostility but rather curiosity so you can learn somethings from it and taking the good parts of that into your own system improving it.

Yeah well, this is what I got to say about this.


Edit: Spelling and missing word

I'll bring you two popular sayings of socialists:
"Capitalism is on edge of collapse"
"Socialism is always one step further than Capitalism"
:)

[LeMat]

How would you like it if the computer you bought with your own money is also a possession of a lazy ass guy next door?

In real COMMUISM there won`t be money and lazy guys. It is kind of Utopia - place where everyone will be good, hard-working et cetera. Can`t you understand it? Communism isn`t possible - it is just theory about ideal world. Have you ever read book of Thomas Morus about Utopia? Read it. It is about different theory of ideal world - then probably you will understand what I want to explain. Remember communism is just theory - it is not possible to make it real.

[volfram]

Even idealistic comunism deprive people basic rights like freedom and possesion.Generaly there is no freedom without right to possesion.

[DPGLAW]

Damn Communists....I am bored so I figued I would add some fuel to the fire...lol woot

[El'Potato]

Even idealistic comunism deprive people basic rights like freedom and possesion.Generaly there is no freedom without right to possesion.

But then you can ask yourself: Isn't it worth it if EVERYONE on this planet would have his/her own paradise?

[duck]

Just like the Swedish tax authorities? Having selected an entrepreneur as a victim. "His ass is mine!" "Another capitalist pig we can bring down!" "No mercy to that capitalist swine, my girlfriend just left me so I need someone to victimize!"

[Luxembourger]

comunism : 50 years of f*****g Cold war , everybody being afraid that the Red would invade Europe and crush our decmocracies.

: people trying to jump over the berlin wall to the west getting shot, people trying to build underground tunnels to west germany being arrested.

: 56 Hungary 68 Praag and more !

But most of Communism disaparead , many young guys in my age think that communism was cool ,, the communism issue has become today some kind of a nostalgic fever among people, people who don t except to see Capitalism prevailing over former communist countries or people who don t want to accept the fact that the WEst is superpower.

This love for Che quevaras , stalins , ( well for commiunists admires Stalin and lenin were great guys ,,,those admirer blame Hitler....strange because Hitler and Stalin were the same bull**** .) and many others has become a trend , some kind of -> hey man look at my T-**** with that red star or che guevara face on it I am cool and intectual and can get all girls .


Capitalism isn t working perfectly but tthis system gives us the right of free speech -> many of us were already exectued while posting our opinions here.

It s easy to blame capitalism and finiding no other solution ......is there a better substitute system for capitalism ???? May be Anarchy ? :cantbeli: :cantbeli:

[El'Potato]

Just like the Swedish tax authorities?

You know what? I gladly pay taxes as I know they will come to good use. They will go to our health care, our education system, our "maintenance" system, our defence forces etc. They would go to the people that needed it and I can walk around feeling good knowing that I help people every day.

And you can go around saying that Stalinism and Leninism/communism is the same **** as Marxism/socialism but it is NOT.

Try reading Das Kapital, thank you.

[LeMat]

LUXEMBOURGER!! Please!! Remember that in Soviet Russia, People Republic of Poland, and other countries of Warsaw Pact there was SOCIALISM not COMMUNISM!!
I don`t want to live in socialism again, but I will be quite happy in real communism - REAL COMMUNISM NOT SOCIALISM!! There wasn`t any COMMUNISTIC country on the world because it is impossible.

And to Volfram.
You may be right. But remember, that in real communism you won`t need possesion of anything because ypu will have everything and no one will take "your" stuff because all people will be extremely nice and they will understand, that you like that things and they will let you to use that all the time.

[El'Potato]

LeMat, it wasn't even socialism in those countries. Socialism is the same thing as Marxism, communism and socialism doesn't differ on many stages, just don't remember about what it was. (not trying to offend you, just protecting my own views so they won't get mixed up with something they're not p-) )

Anyway, what was going on in russia was a descendant of Stalinism, in Chine Maoism, want me to go on?

I just can't believe you guys when you claim that all that is the real kind of socialism/communism, they were mearly using that name.

Can be compared to all those 3rd world countries claiming they're true democratic states... Yeah of course, election with a dictator at the throne suuuure is a democracy. :|

[TALOS]

LeMat, it wasn't even socialism in those countries. Socialism is the same thing as Marxism, communism and socialism doesn't differ on many stages, just don't remember about what it was. (not trying to offend you, just protecting my own views so they won't get mixed up with something they're not p-) )

Anyway, what was going on in russia was a descendant of Stalinism, in Chine Maoism, want me to go on?

I just can't believe you guys when you claim that all that is the real kind of socialism/communism, they were mearly using that name.

Can be compared to all those 3rd world countries claiming they're true democratic states... Yeah of course, election with a dictator at the throne suuuure is a democracy. :|
El potato, I think I understand what you are saying but the point remains that "true communism" is a fantasy that relies on all people respecting others and being "nice and good" as someone stated earlier.
Capitalist democratic states arent perfect but they are better than what was observed in russia and east germany and china no matter what name you call it by.
You see, regardless of whether it was real communism or not, the name now has a stigma just like colonialism has a stigma even though the real colonialism isnt even remotely what its detracters like to say it is.
So when people defend communism in most peoples minds that is what we saw in russia and no amount of tryin to explain that it wasnt really communism is goin to change that view because it has become ingrained in the minds of many in the world.

[El'Potato]

I am fully aware of socialism and communism being the Utopia of today, but we're steadily progressing towards it. Look at Sweden, socialy we are one of the worlds most capable countries.

There are not many homeless at all, of course there's some but at least in the late 90's their numbers were decreasing, don't know about now but to my guessing it's getting even better.
The government takes care about almost everyone that has a hard time and they can even get funds from the government if their monthly income goes below their "poverty" line.

But anyways, it's running late over here and I'm of to school as well. If you'd like me to go on you can send me a PM to remind me, and I can make this post more "completed".

Cheers