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2RHPZ
11-07-2005, 09:31 AM
When Churchill went to war - with America

By Sir Martin Gilbert
(Filed: 06/11/2005)


On Armistice Day, November 11, 1918, Winston Churchill was Minister of Munitions. As Big Ben struck 11, and the guns fell silent on the Western Front, he was looking out of his ministerial window over Northumberland Avenue.

The broad street was deserted. Suddenly, as he wrote, he saw "the slight figure of a girl clerk, distractedly gesticulating" dart out of the doorway of one of the government buildings that lined the street. "Then from all sides men and women came scurrying into the street. Streams of people poured out of the buildings. The bells of London began to clash."

As he watched the scene of celebration and pandemonium, Churchill reflected that after 52 months "of making burdens grievous to be borne and binding them on men's backs, at last, all at once, suddenly and everywhere the burdens were cast down".

As Minister of Munitions, in charge of vast factories, Churchill had been forced to impose his share of those burdens on the British people: a massive munitions production that drew in a vast labour force of women.

He had ordered the manufacture of many of those munitions for use by the United States, hoping, not only to enable America to make an effective contribution to victory, but to reduce Britain's vast indebtedness to the United States for the war materials that Britain had purchased.

Churchill was certain that without full American participation, Britain and France would not be able to defeat Germany. He had watched as America remained neutral and the Allied powers bled on the battlefield.

He was resentful that America had not declared war in 1915, when the harsh German occupation of neutral Belgium and the German economic exploitation of northern France were well known, but before the intensification of the slaughter on the Western Front.

Churchill was convinced that had the Americans entered the war in 1915, Germany could have been defeated by the arrival on the battlefield of fresh American armies, and the bloodbaths on the Somme and at Passchendaele avoided.

Bitterly, he later wrote that had America entered the conflict on the Allied side in 1915, "what abridgement of the slaughter; what sparing of the agony; what ruin, what catastrophes would have been prevented; in how many millions of homes would an empty chair be occupied today; how different would be the shattered world in which victors and vanquished alike are condemned to live!"

In 1919, Churchill was awarded the American Distinguished Service Medal for providing the American armies with essential weapons of war. A year later, as Secretary of State for War, he was at the unveiling of the Cenotaph in Whitehall, and the dedication of the tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Westminster Abbey.

Finance was always a bone of contention between Britain and America. Churchill fought in vain in 1926, as Chancellor of the Exchequer, to get a fair repayment scheme for Britain's substantial First World War debt. Twenty years later, when Leader of the Opposition, he supported the Labour Government's fight for a fair repayment scheme for Britain's equally large Second World War debt.

Churchill never saw the end of our war indebtedness; but at midnight this December 31, the British taxpayer may raise a glass when, finally, our debts for both wars will be paid off in full. Churchill fought in vain to reduce those debts. But he never let that struggle divert him from his search for Anglo-American harmony.

In 1921 he was elected President of the English-speaking Union. After giving the presidential address, he wrote to his wife Clementine: "It was uphill work to make an enthusiastic speech about the United States… when they are wringing the last penny out of their unfortunate ally.

All the same, there is only one road for us to tread, and that is to keep as friendly with them as possible, to be overwhelmingly patient, and to wait for the growth of better feelings which will certainly come…"

Telegraph (http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/core/Content/displayPrintable.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2005/11/06/do0601.xml&site=15)

ElHombre
11-07-2005, 04:16 PM
interesting read but the title (which was written by the author, not CAG 147) is misleading. it's much more about the restraint and frustrations that churchill showed with the US.

Belrick
11-07-2005, 06:22 PM
Did Churchill ever ask the question: What did the Americans gain out of WW1?

Did the American people ever question why Britain thought it neccessary to starve the German civilian population to death?

Personnally i think Britain hoodwinked the US in ww1, IMHO one of the greatest propaganda coups in history.

Ericsson
11-08-2005, 05:33 PM
churchill had no choice there's is knowway in Hell Europe could stop the German military machine
so !! he did what he had to do

Jani.R
11-09-2005, 11:45 AM
churchill had no choice there's is knowway in Hell Europe could stop the German military machine
so !! he did what he had to do

It was quite capable of stopping it years before USA even entered the war.

ed316
11-09-2005, 11:57 AM
It was quite capable of stopping it years before USA even entered the war.

Yeah and France could of held off the Germans forever

Jani.R
11-09-2005, 12:06 PM
Yeah and France could of held off the Germans forever

I don't see why not, germans where allready getting tired of the war and all the major attacks before peace happened before there was any USA soldiers on europe.

ed316
11-09-2005, 12:12 PM
I don't see why not, germans where allready getting tired of the war and all the major attacks before peace happened before there was any USA soldiers on europe.

Germans were tired by 42? The only reason Hitler didn't invade was that he was a meth head and irrational. Three years of fighting and the Germans got tired, c'mon.

Jani.R
11-09-2005, 12:17 PM
Germans were tired by 42? The only reason Hitler didn't invade was that he was a meth head and irrational. Three years of fighting and the Germans got tired, c'mon.

Read the topic, we are talking about world war one.

ed316
11-09-2005, 12:19 PM
Read the topic, we are talking about world war one.

My Bad:)..................

Lanton
11-14-2005, 05:32 AM
The US actually had a war plan for fighting the British after WWI. It was called War Plan Red.

Atlantic Friend
11-19-2005, 02:16 PM
The US actually had a war plan for fighting the British after WWI. It was called War Plan Red.

The US had the whole "Rainbow" war plans, each color assigned to a potential adversary (even totally unlikely ones such as France and Great Britain).

Omaha
11-19-2005, 02:38 PM
Foolishness. If it wasn't for America, Europe would have been lost. Germany kept you guys occupied even with a two front war, once the Russians tucked tail and ran, they were able to focus on the western front.

If it wouldn't have been for the American troops in 1918, the Germans would have really opened up, knowing that the commies in Russia no longer wanted to fight a "capitalist war".

This all holds true for both WW1 and WW2. America was the key to both, whether you like it or not.




The US had the whole "Rainbow" war plans, each color assigned to a potential adversary (even totally unlikely ones such as France and Great Britain).

That is completely understandable, and warrented.We had to cover all bases.

We weren't about to go off and help out some far off land, and then get screwed once we were over there. You have to remember, we were about as sure that Britian and France were allies, as we are now about China and Egypt.

Atlantic Friend
11-19-2005, 02:52 PM
FThat is completely understandable, and warrented.We had to cover all bases.

We weren't about to go off and help out some far off land, and then get screwed once we were over there. You have to remember, we were about as sure that Britian and France were allies, as we are now about China and Egypt.

Hey, no criticism from me, I'm just stating an historical fact. The Rainbow plans explored the possibilities of militray action against old enemies (Germany), potential enemies (Japan), and allies alike (France and Great Britain, probably the Netherlands too), in short every country that could potentially become a threat to US interests in the Western hemisphere or beyond. Nothing less, nothing more.

It made real sense in the 1920s-1930s, when social unrest could very well have affected Western democracies and thrown them towards Nazi Germany (whose alliance was clearly sought by British PM Lord Cadogan) or Fascist Italy (like France in early 1934).