M.I.L.E.S. gear

[Laworkerbee]

Does anyone know MILES gear and how much it costs per unit?. The system was updated to the MILES-2000 system in the late 90's with longer battery life and lower weight.

I'm looking to possibly purchase 40-50 units from Cubic Defense Applications so if anyone can give me a heads up it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

[Baboonass]

Does anyone know MILES gear and how much it costs per unit?. The system was updated to the MILES-2000 system in the late 90's with longer battery life and lower weight.

I'm looking to possibly purchase 40-50 units from Cubic Defense Applications so if anyone can give me a heads up it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks


Why prey tell?

[Laworkerbee]

Long story short. I'm thinking of setting up a MILES intregated training center for law enforcement and civilian use. I need to come up with some numbers ( initial costs, maintainence, etc. ) for an investor to review.

The older MILES gear will work fine for what I have in mind as in the system will not be in the field for extended periods of time.

[rokdoc]

DRMO. I saw three boxes of the old equipment at the Benning location, I'm thinking it was late August.

[Yeoman]

last I heard a set is in the four digits area. I can't remember what the marines told us, but it was definetely in the four digits for just a helmet thing and vest thing.
Greg

[California Joe]

He's training thugs from a Third World Country so they can spark a coup.

[Seraphim]

No hes getting ready for the war with the gangstas

[mattnwnc03]

theirs always laser tag!

[Laworkerbee]

For the civilian market it's paintballing and airsoft at a whole new level. For law enforcement it's realistic training at competetive prices.

[Seraphim]

If its for LE training, wouldnt you rather use simunition for some good force on force training?

[Laworkerbee]

The cost of simunition ammunition is pretty high, plus there is a risk of injury not present with MILES gear. I would not want to guess how high the insurance bill would be if simunition were to be used if I could get insurance at all.

[Apogee]

DRMO. I saw three boxes of the old equipment at the Benning location, I'm thinking it was late August.

Thats across the street from me. They do a sale the 1st Fri of the month.

[California Joe]

This thread would be way hotter if it was MILFs gear. Just sayin.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Problem with MILES and similar systems as good as they are. You can not determine where the shots are comming from.

[Laworkerbee]

This thread would be way hotter if it was MILFs gear. Just sayin.

Thats next Buddy:)

[Laworkerbee]

Problem with MILES and similar systems as good as they are. You can not determine where the shots are comming from.

How so Min?

[rokdoc]

Thats across the street from me. They do a sale the 1st Fri of the month.


Then I need to shoot you a PM or chat on AIM sometime. There's some stuff I need, but I can't get away from the labs for a while.

[rangerone]

From my personal experience, MILES gear SUCKS! Of all the times my unit has used the stuff (both old and new) half of it never worked. Stick with simunition or airsoft.

[Laworkerbee]

Care to go into it further rangerone? do you believe it's because of bad maintainence or something else...the MILES 2000 system is available as well but cost prohibitive. However if it's an issue of cost vs bad performance then it will have to be looked at again.

Thanks

[rokdoc]

MILES is iffy, because of loose connections, random firing when shaken, and difficulty in aiming. Many units dont take the time to zero the lazer to the weapon, but it's possible to make hits on individual troops out to 1000m. There's a human factor, and a technology factor, which make it less than perfect. There's ways to mitigate them, though.

[TacoDelRio]

MILES is iffy, because of loose connections, random firing when shaken, and difficulty in aiming. Many units dont take the time to zero the lazer to the weapon, but it's possible to make hits on individual troops out to 1000m. There's a human factor, and a technology factor, which make it less than perfect. There's ways to mitigate them, though.

That and those bigass zeroing boxes aren't always brought to the field to check zero.... oops.

How is the new MILES anyway? It looks as if they got rid of the wire that runs under your neck (choke strap).

LAWorkerBee,
Lemme know if this works! I'd like to take a try!

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

How so Min?

Well.

In some cases you don't even need to fire a shot for them to register a hit. (depends on the system of course)

firing blanks does not give you the sense of an oncomming bullet. ect ect.

[Laworkerbee]

Thanks man I appreciate the imput. I'm hoping to find gear in decent condition and be able to find good people to hire to maintain it. As I said earlier I don't expect this gear to be in the field for extended periods of time and it should be under much less stress than an Army or Marine unit would put it through, although if it ends up being rented at X dollars a day more than 10 days out of a month...well that would be great! :)

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

What they need to try develop is using blanks that fire a paintball round but keeps the ballistic profile of the weapon being fired. Of course trying to make it safe is a different matter and or legal

[Laworkerbee]

That and those bigass zeroing boxes aren't always brought to the field to check zero.... oops.

How is the new MILES anyway? It looks as if they got rid of the wire that runs under your neck (choke strap).

LAWorkerBee,
Lemme know if this works! I'd like to take a try!

First step is aquiring 4-6 good sets for lease or to buy for a video demonstration and seek further funding.

The fact that the system isn't perfect isn't a killer for me, no system is perfect right? but it is good to know about its drawbacks. Our hope is that any technical glitches will be over come by the very unique feeling of using an automatic weapon to hunt others and play war, where everyone is a hero and nobody gets a scratch.

I'm thinking that might be worth a dime to a lot of people p-)

[Laworkerbee]

What they need to try develop is using blanks that fire a paintball round but keeps the ballistic profile of the weapon being fired. Of course trying to make it safe is a different matter and or legal

LOL well that doesn't sound like a blank at all buddy, that sounds more like something that would be shot at Hippies or Palestinians :)

Min the thing is...I don't want any projectiles flying around, less insurance costs you see.

[Durandal]

This thread would be way hotter if it was MILFs gear. Just sayin.

rofl

I remember in ROTC, using the older gear, we were playing OPFOR against the MS IVs down at Fort Knox.

We'd set them to go constant beam with no pulse and, literally, use the things like a "laser hose".

MILFs are far cooler. :)

[Laworkerbee]

Cheater! :)

[Apogee]

Then I need to shoot you a PM or chat on AIM sometime. There's some stuff I need, but I can't get away from the labs for a while.

sounds good to me

[Daga]

MILES is iffy, because of loose connections, random firing when shaken, and difficulty in aiming. Many units dont take the time to zero the lazer to the weapon, but it's possible to make hits on individual troops out to 1000m. There's a human factor, and a technology factor, which make it less than perfect. There's ways to mitigate them, though.

hey that explains a lot... always wondered why we never zeroed them. Is it me or the god guns can take out guys at half a mile whereas the average cadet couldn't hit anything at 50m.

I found out that tapping the rifle lightly at night would make the laser go off. yayy unlimited ammo.



plus there is a risk of injury not present with MILES gear.
I agree, but just remember folks MILES isn't totally safe, gotta remember blanks can still hurt even with the bfa on it. safety kill! safety kill!

Miles ain't perfect, but just another tool for the training tool box, and a pretty good one at that. for small unit tactics, it can't be beat (and hella of a lot better that saying: hey i shot u, no u didn't shoot me).

Good luck on your endavors!

[Durandal]

You may also want to check out: http://www.govliquidation.com/

I have seen MILES gear on there. Its sort of hit or miss depending on what gets surplused by the government.

[Shoop79]

I agree with everyone else that the miles gear is junk. As far as being concerned about the cost, I will bet that it will be more expensive to use the miles gear being that you have to use blank rounds to use it.
The piece that shoots the lazer senses the muzzle blast from the blank being shot. Paintball would be way easier and also alot funner than the miles. Most applications you will need to teach will be well within the range of paintball or other methods and if not use a range and live rounds. Miles gear is also way too easy to manipulate, you can't argue with a big orange splat on you goggles!

[JoaMei]

Well, you could also try to get your hands on the german AGDUS system, which is comparable to MILES.

[Solo]

Since it's comparable to paintball, airsoft may also be of interest.
Particularly, there is a system out there, that is being scrutinied from the US government at the moment. It's from a Japanese brand called Systema, and it is Airsoft.
The difference with toy airsoft though, is relevant.

If you want to have a bit more info than the one I have, there's a video I suggest you watch over at Systema Japan, right here:

http://www.systema-engineering.com/English/home/ehome.html

and just click over "Promotional video". The video was made in the USA.
There's also a Systema USA, here: www.zshot.com giving more information.

Hope it helps p-)

[Laworkerbee]

Solo, Shoop79 thanks for the heads up however I must state again that insurance costs are very, very high and there is a significant drop in price if there are no projectiles involved to cause an injury. The operating costs of maintaining the MILES gear and blank ammunition will be built into the price of using the course...

JoaMei Thanks Pal I'll check it out and get back to you, I think the costs will be much higher but it's worth a shot.

[ibstolidude]

I agree, but just remember folks MILES isn't totally safe, gotta remember blanks can still hurt even with the bfa on it.


ever see a 60 launch a BFA - that will wake you up.

[pretorian669]

Hey Laworkerbee, what about this?
http://www.battlefieldsports.com/outdoorlasertag.htm
http://www.battlefieldsports.com/

[Yes Man]

The new Miles gear is pretty hard to mess with, no more hitting the rifle with a stick and having it go off.

The bad part is that it does not pass through tall grass,you have no idea who is shooting at you (may be more of an army issuse when you have MGs opening up on you at 600m), That head gear always falls off, and when in groups you have no idea who got shot and who did not (this is a major problem, the guys in front get shot but think its someone else and dont drop. you have no idea if you got them or not, and the guys behind them are covered by the guys in front.)

[Laworkerbee]

Hey Laworkerbee, what about this?
http://www.battlefieldsports.com/outdoorlasertag.htm
http://www.battlefieldsports.com/

A very interesting alternative thank you~!

[paulus]

I think the probelms you will have with MILES is that firing blanks is considerable more dangerous than firing paintballs or airsoft bb's, bear in mind that there are still going to be blanks firing out at quiet a rate.

The laser system might not be so useful as it isn't in anyway similar to the real gun, so realoading mags from tactical vests can't be replicated into drills.

I think airsoft would be your best bet, a lot cheaper start up than MILES and the insurance most likely won't be as expensive as you think, also you can have the clients use their own tac gear for magazines etc, as it will most likely be best to arm them with the weapon they use in the real world(MP5, G36, UMP etc).

In britain we also have very realisitcally weighted and identically sized NICO stun grenade replicas whihc are used for training, I believe these are around £120. Again it all depends on what sort of training/product you are going to supply.

Also the airsoft systema rifles aren't that much different from the normal Tokyo Marui and Classic Army brands, the main difference being the System are incredibley expensive.

[Solo]

Also the airsoft systema rifles aren't that much different from the normal Tokyo Marui and Classic Army brands, the main difference being the System are incredibley expensive.

Evidently, since I own some for personal use, I may feel like I disagree.
This is not the place to argue about this, since the objective of the thread is another one, and I'll respect that.
I will re-state though, that Systema PTWs are a world of difference away from stock Marui rifles, and then some.