IDF's first mixed regiment

[citizen-k]

Last night there was a graduation ceremony of the first mixed (male & female) infantry regiment called "carakal" (felis - aka wild cat)

http://www.idf.il/newsite/images/karakal2.jpg
http://www.idf.il/newsite/images/karakal3.jpg

And the regiments "sign":


http://www.idf.il/newsite/images/karakal-semel.jpg

These are the only pictures I could find, sorry... (http://www.idf.il)

I hope to find better sources soon...

[Falco]

I wonder how they will fare against palestinians terrorists.

[ChuckThunder]

I wonder how they will fare against palestinians terrorists.

Man or women, they'll kick the **** out of any Palestinian who thinks otherwise.

[Uncle Sam]

Interesting.

[MARINO]

In spain we have mixed regiments since 1996. Personnally i'm not agree.

[tony6]

Mixed units?
Jeeeeez-thank God I live in Poland :D

[Javehn]

There are allready mixed combat units in IDF , like MP combat unit , that is mixed up . Many Artyllery units are combined with males and females together , many women serving in border patrol units - Magav . And now infantry is getting joined battalions .
But tank coprs ain't gonna get women for a long time ... I think that is good reasoned .

[StarvingStudent47]

In spain we have mixed regiments since 1996. Personnally i'm not agree.

Are those mixed infantry units, or other sorts of units (artillery, etc)? I wasn't aware of any militaries out there that had mixed infantry units nowadays, but I could easily be mistaken.

[usa320]

I for one would have no problem serving alongside a woman, as long as she has faced the same testing, standards and trainging that i have.

[StarvingStudent47]

I for one would have no problem serving alongside a woman, as long as she has faced the same testing, standards and trainging that i have.

Ditto. Women shouldn't be put into jobs they can't do just for political correctness, but if a specific woman is capable of meeting the same standards as the men who do it, I see no reason to throw her out just cause she's got different plumbing.

[mocking_loudly_died]

No girls!

Women are for cooking, cleaning and **** shows.

They are clearly designed to be beasts of burden or male pleasure dolls.

The scary thing is I don't know if I'm being serious.

:slap:

[Jack Mehoff]

To the thread starter,

What about standard? Is the standard washed down to accommdate the females? What is the percentage of females in that unit? What's the wash out rate for males and females?

[IDFM203]

While this unit is being the first mixed combat unit in the infantry ranks, it is not an elite unit or even any top regular front line unit.

The most it is, is a low level combat unit where they get sent to the least “hot” zones like serving on the border of Jordan, which compared to where other combat infantry units serve, is pretty tame in compression.



I am not against women in the IDF per say, but I am a bit worried about it a bit.

Besides the physical arguments about them being able to carry the wounded or other such things, One of the major problems with women in combat infantry roles that a lot of you are missing (and from what I mentioned before on this board in such previous discussions) is what the Israeli army found out years ago and as such does not really have women in major combat infantry roles (except for this new unit which is starting up only recently).

The problem they found was that man become too emotionally paralyzed in a combat situation to any major decision that needed to be made when women were involved. For example, when they would be charging in battle and a woman would get injured, instead of charging full steam, most would stop and tend to the women, and not just the medic.

or other types of important battlefield decisions that are quite dangerous and perhaps as a result a few will be killed, would not be made due to the emotional attachment to the women, and as a result, losing the major objectives and initiatives of that mission.

When I say emotional attachment I am not talking about individual soldiers sleeping with her and thus becoming emotionally involved, no I am talking about a whole unit where there is no such behavior at all (well I cant say that none of that happens ;) …..but you get my point :D ), but yet in battle, the man cant make the necessary and tough decisions that are needed to be made due to the inherent emotional attachment to women that weakens the tough decision making.

Like I said before, its hard to explain this point, I am sure however the other BTDT’s on this board might have a better grasp of what I am saying.

Anyways just some thoughts……………


Shalom :D

[mocking_loudly_died]

The problem they found was that man become too emotionally paralyzed in a combat situation to any major decision that needed to be made when women were involved. For example, when they would be charging in battle and a woman would get injured, instead of charging full steam, most would stop and tend to the women, and not just the medic.

I agree and this has been noted in many books.

[Sixgun Symphony]

I for one would have no problem serving alongside a woman, as long as she has faced the same testing, standards and trainging that i have.

You ain't gonna see a 120lb female hump with a 90lb rucksack all day.

Female soldiers serve best in pogue units.

[StarvingStudent47]

I for one would have no problem serving alongside a woman, as long as she has faced the same testing, standards and trainging that i have.

You ain't gonna see a 120lb female hump with a 90lb rucksack all day.

Female soldiers serve best in pogue units.

Question--I'm male, but I weigh 135 lbs with wet hair and stones in my pockets (this is after working out several times a day for six months--I'm just naturally a lightweight, not out of shape or anything). Would I be allowed to join an infantry unit, or would I be banned for being too light?

[Jack Mehoff]

My wife was an all-state track team throughout her high school. I didn't even start running until i went to basic training. And yet, my best 2 mile was 11minutes 30seconds after OSUT and her best 2-mile was 12minutes 55 seconds after 4 years :lol:

[citizen-k]

To the thread starter,

What about standard? Is the standard washed down to accommdate the females? What is the percentage of females in that unit? What's the wash out rate for males and females?

I have no idea, since I have nothing to do with that unit, sorry.

[citizen-k]

The problem they found was that man become too emotionally paralyzed in a combat situation to any major decision that needed to be made when women were involved. For example, when they would be charging in battle and a woman would get injured, instead of charging full steam, most would stop and tend to the women, and not just the medic.


When I played Ice-hockey in high school we had a girl on our team because there wasn't any "woman" league. (and our ice-hockey league was at it 1st year)
Every time she fall down players from the opponent team stoped playing and went over to assist her :lol: (she was damn beautiful - american blond...not the typical woman ice-hockey player you might imagen)

[Sixgun Symphony]

Question--I'm male, but I weigh 135 lbs with wet hair and stones in my pockets (this is after working out several times a day for six months--I'm just naturally a lightweight, not out of shape or anything). Would I be allowed to join an infantry unit, or would I be banned for being too light?

You are awfully light for a male. You probably need alot of food intake and weight training to get up to where you need to be.

[Sixgun Symphony]

That picture is the first time I have seen the Israeli troops use desert camoflauge uniforms.

I always wondered why they use the OD green uniforms for a desert environment where khaki would be a better choice.

[radon]

Imo make no mixed units, make separeted units. Only women , only men.

[StarvingStudent47]

You are awfully light for a male. You probably need alot of food intake and weight training to get up to where you need to be.

I eat like a lumberjack and work out every other day. I'm decently muscled, but I have a "slight build"--narrow shoulders, ribcage, and hips. And at 5'6", I'm the tallest of my family. My grandfather was 5'0", 100 lbs, even though he worked on a farm for 100 years and ate a diet full of eggs and vegetables. My size is related to genetics, not diet or exercise. I think Russian Jews might all be predisposed to being short and thin, but maybe it's just my family.

This is why I always use myself as a counter-example when people start talking about "men are larger than women." On average across the entire nation, yes. But your average Scandinavian-American female is larger than your average Russian Jewish male, in my experience.

[Jack Mehoff]

Actually, the tallest people in the world on the average are the Dutch. Dutch males are 6 feet tall and Dutch females are 5'6" on the average.

Tall women=yummeh

[fred_engles]

Hey StarvingStudent: if it helps you feel any better, I weigh even less than you do, am a couple inches taller, and also consider myself to be in pretty good shape (although I definitely couldn't tie Jack's 2-mile - his wife's maybe, though).

[UkrainianAmerican]

You are awfully light for a male. You probably need alot of food intake and weight training to get up to where you need to be.

I eat like a lumberjack and work out every other day. I'm decently muscled, but I have a "slight build"--narrow shoulders, ribcage, and hips. And at 5'6", I'm the tallest of my family. My grandfather was 5'0", 100 lbs, even though he worked on a farm for 100 years and ate a diet full of eggs and vegetables. My size is related to genetics, not diet or exercise. I think Russian Jews might all be predisposed to being short and thin, but maybe it's just my family.

This is why I always use myself as a counter-example when people start talking about "men are larger than women." On average across the entire nation, yes. But your average Scandinavian-American female is larger than your average Russian Jewish male, in my experience.
Lol, speak fpr yourself bro :P !
I am 6 1.5 although 165 pounds and bench 200!
Gangsta!

[Javehn]

I was in good shape once ... And then i joined the army .

[StarvingStudent47]

I think Russian Jews might all be predisposed to being short and thin, but maybe it's just my family.

Lol, speak fpr yourself bro :P !
I am 6 1.5 although 165 pounds and bench 200!
Gangsta!

LOL Well then maybe it's just my family ;)

[StarvingStudent47]

Hey StarvingStudent: if it helps you feel any better, I weigh even less than you do, am a couple inches taller, and also consider myself to be in pretty good shape (although I definitely couldn't tie Jack's 2-mile - his wife's maybe, though).

I wasn't "feeling bad about it" per se. I was mainly curious whether my height and weight would bar me from joining the infantry, or whether it's a "case-by-case" basis (let me in, see if I can get through basic training with everyone else).

[IDFM203]

That picture is the first time I have seen the Israeli troops use desert camoflauge uniforms.

I always wondered why they use the OD green uniforms for a desert environment where khaki would be a better choice.You know, Israel has other environments besides the desert environment ;)

Currently in the West Bank where a lot of the IDF is engaged in right now, and in recent times like in Lebanon, the environment was for the most part, not desert.

Anyways the IDF has been using desert camo for at least ten years now.

In training we use them for all sorts of war or ambush settings and in combat zones now, we use them depending on the location of that particular unit or mission that a unit is in.

Hell those reversible suits that are used now for ambush settings are also reversible for a desert environment and are switched to that side when they are in that setting.

Now a lot of the IDF are engaged in an urban environment and a desert camo would not serve any purpose.

Its been posted many times before, but here are again are those reversible woodland/desert camo suits (http://www.isayeret.com/camo/gallery.htm) that are indeed very effective for a desert setting.

Shalom :D

[Sixgun Symphony]

You know the US Marines had a brown side/green side reversable camoflauge pattern in WWII.

It makes alot of sense.

[IDFM203]

You know the US Marines had a brown side/green side reversable camoflauge pattern in WWII.

It makes alot of sense.Wow I did not know that.

I would love to see any pics of that.

Admittingly (sp?), I had thought that it was a unique Israeli concept, based on the fact that I hadn’t seen before any other reversible camouflage patterns worn by other nations militaries.

Yes they are a great idea and especially those reversible IDF camouflage suits, for which I think are better then mere camouflage (or even reversible camouflage) BDU's, for I feel that those suits distort a soldiers outline and shape and thus provides better concealment, then just a camouflage BDU would.

Shalom :D

I for one would have no problem serving alongside a woman, as long as she has faced the same testing, standards and trainging that i have.

Ditto. Women shouldn't be put into jobs they can't do just for political correctness, but if a specific woman is capable of meeting the same standards as the men who do it, I see no reason to throw her out just cause she's got different plumbing.

The thing is, women can't meet the same standards as men do. Women need to stay off the battlefield period.

[Sixgun Symphony]

I would love to see any pics of that.


It has been difficult to find photographs of the USMC brown side/green side camouflage pattern uniform of WWII. But here is what I coul find.




http://www.wwiiimpressions.com/images/usmccamo1.jpg

http://www.wwiiimpressions.com/images/usmccamo2.jpg

http://www.wwiiimpressions.com/images/usmccamo3.jpg

[Sixgun Symphony]

The green side was for jungle warfare. I believe the brown side was worn for beaches on the smaller islands that did not have much vegetation.