Best picture album about Chechnya

[Russian Texan]

http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?s=b1465b3e0fe362caa505a1c89a582793&threadid=163004

http://akalbum.by.ru/

[Uninen]

http://akalbum.by.ru/images/P1010024.JPG

http://akalbum.by.ru/images/P1010011.JPG
Terrorist..?

http://akalbum.by.ru/images/P1010041.JPG
Terrorist..?

http://akalbum.by.ru/images/P1010120.JPG
Can you translate what they are writing there?

[Russian Texan]

No that guy is not a terrorist, that album is solely dedicated to Russian armed forces in Chechnya (including MVD). There are about 180 or so different nationalities living in Russian Federation so some of them might appear strange/terrorist looking to you. Also during both wars there were Chechens fighting on Russia's side.

The writing on the wall is basically states names of different places those guys are from.
Actualy "wall-writing" became sort of a self-expressionist humorous art form, so to speak. Opposing forces would often write humorous, insulting, degrading, etc. messages to each other.

[impyRM03]

amazing pics! :D

http://akalbum.by.ru/images/P1010048.JPG

(spetsnaz?)

[wholagun]

Just curious are there any figures out there on how much Checnya is costing the Russia government. Seems they have alot of troops and hardware down there.

[Uninen]

Seems they have alot of troops and hardware down there.

:roll:

That is not much..

Not by Russian standards..

Anyhow..

I think that the number didnt ever exceed 100k, Chechnya you see is very small place..

and..

I heard that the operation is now run by MVD, and not by army anymore..

;)

[Kingpin]

Not exactly.
16 OBr SpN wrote about it
GRU SpN and VDV units still working in mountains while plains with their towns and villages are under responsibility of MVD.
FSB trying to help both.

[wholagun]

Seems they have alot of troops and hardware down there.

:roll:

That is not much..

Not by Russian standards..

Anyhow..

I think that the number didnt ever exceed 100k, Chechnya you see is very small place..

and..

I heard that the operation is now run by MVD, and not by army anymore..

;)

Really. Wow my bad. Just that war is the biggest drain of resources, and in a country like Russia where economy is still recovering and developing I'd figure that it would've been a drain. US wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are draining billions of dollars but then again bigger scale compared to Russia.

[Dennis G]

great find Texan. I dont think that I have seen of them

[Clay]

lol the whole russian army are snipers.

[Dennis G]

What this say?

http://akalbum.by.ru/images/P1010120.JPG

[Javehn]

Just writting names of places they came from . "Saratov. Tula , Neftekamsk" ..

Strong pictures .
A little question . Nevermind that they all sitting on top of the vehicle . If the gunner want to traverse the gun , can he doing without decaputating some head ? It's a mistake not to use gun optic to scan the ground 360 deg , and instead to rely on soldiers eyes , or on the first shot fired by enemy . Why to use the gun and it's optics as back rest , while you can use this resource in very good way ?

http://akalbum.by.ru/images/P1010119.JPG

[Marmot1]

http://akalbum.by.ru/images/P1010133.JPG
BABYSITTER?
http://akalbum.by.ru/images/P1010161.JPG

[Uninen]

lol the whole russian army are snipers.

Only those that have Bolt-action rifles are in Russia 'snipers'..

Those with SVD and alike, are designated marksmans..

Also,

SVD Dragunov isnt 'snipers rifle' but DMR or long range rifle..

It isnt snipers tool..


SVD was designed not as a standart sniper rifle. In fact, main role of the SVD ir Soviet / Russian Army is to extend effective range of fire of every infantry squad up to 600 meters and to provide special fire support.

;)

[Uninen]

Javehn,

If they engage or spot enemy then the troopers will dismount..

But when they are at the deck, that negates the option to use the turret..

(I think that the turret is on 'travel lock' when infranty is on the decks, so that no accidents could happen..)

But its not like they usually ride to battle in this way.. its more common on patrols etc..

And its not like that the Chechnya still is a free-fire zone.. it more of a police action now days..

About 1000 active rebels remaining.. doing hit and run attacks from mountains and Georgia..

:fork:

[Marmot1]

Javehn,

If they engage or spot enemy then the troopers will dismount..

But when they are at the deck, that negates the option to use the turret..

(I think that the turret is on 'travel lock' when infranty is on the decks, so that no accidents could happen..)

But its not like they usually ride to battle in this way.. its more common on patrols etc..

And its not like that the Chechnya still is a free-fire zone.. it more of a police action now days..

About 1000 active rebels remaining.. doing hit and run attacks from mountains and Georgia..

:fork:

Well and what if IED explode under or RPG hit ??? shrapnels would kill most of them... since they are close together....

[Uninen]

Well..

its actually safer to be on the deck if they are attacked by radio controlled IED that explodes UNDER, they have better change to survive than if they would be inside..

(Chechens IED usually is 152 or 155mm artillery shell..

And sometimes when such trap is made, Chechen also add 'claymore-type' of mine that is on a tree and directed at the 'deck' of would be target..

As explosion uder the vehicle isnt effective againts personel on the decks.

And RPGs..

Chechens dont anymore dare to take so direct 'action' against Russians..

As the outcome is always the same, they will be eliminated..

:|

Terrorists that is..

[Javehn]

Javehn,

If they engage or spot enemy then the troopers will dismount..

But when they are at the deck, that negates the option to use the turret..

(I think that the turret is on 'travel lock' when infranty is on the decks, so that no accidents could happen..)

But its not like they usually ride to battle in this way.. its more common on patrols etc..

And its not like that the Chechnya still is a free-fire zone.. it more of a police action now days..

About 1000 active rebels remaining.. doing hit and run attacks from mountains and Georgia..


Perhaps it's just me , but more correct is to looking for enemy when you are in possible enemy area , and not wait until the enemy will act first , and prey that the bullets will fly pass on the first shots . More correct to activly scan the area , looking for possible enemy , and to act according to it , then just drive by looking with just an eyes . And even if it is just simple supply convoy , or administrative drive , it should be conducted in the right way , when every unit is supporting each other on the drive , every unit overlooking it's sector , and every unit is ready to engage , and knows it's role in big picture . To keep the gun locked while on drive is just wrong . And if you saying , that it's locked on the travel lock , then it's actually taking quiet a time to open the lock . Time is life in combat . And if it's not locked , then it is just a safety threat . What if the gun will move , and it will decaputate someone ?
And about the safety issue , what keeping the soldiers from not to fall down when they sitting like this , on drive ? I am pretty shure that in operations , soldiers are moving to sides of the road covering BMP and it's covering them , and they using this way just to perform drives . But still , it is also wrong to do it this way .

[Kingpin]

http://www.hunt101.com/img/098146-big.jpg

MVD Spetsnaz troops?

[Kingpin]

This one for Operation Ivy :)

http://akalbum.by.ru/images/P1010020.JPG

[Javehn]

Nice picture , yea .


http://www.hunt101.com/img/098146-big.jpg

MVD Spetsnaz troops?

16 obr spn give that picture allready , and this is his commentary : "just stumbled at the pic on their forum.
Photo taken in Chechnya. I've got this strange feeling that it's spetsnaz GRU, 22 OBr SpN. "

[Uninen]

Javehn,

But 'Travel lock' i dont mean 'that ultimate locking mechanism' (that includes even 'external locking' of the barrel..) that the vehicles have..

Its just one leveler..

And takes about 0,5 to 1 second to unlock..

:roll:

[Javehn]

I know what travell lock you ment (also called Mechanical lock . There is electrical , and hidraulic lock also . And there is outside lock ) . And it shouldn't be close in that situation .

[serbian boy]

I know there are serbian volunteers fighing in Chechnya, does anyone have any pics, if so post them, would be greatly appreciated!
CAMO CLOGA CRBINA CPASAVA

[Uninen]

serbian boy:

http://filin.benutzer.ru/chechnya/2/bigimages/chech_000838.jpg
??? He is a Serb ???

At least ive seen pics of this same guy in Kosovo..

There he was MUP / PJP i belive..

;)

Btw,

Know any good pic of PJP in action?

I would love to have those!

:)

[oldsoak]

http://akalbum.by.ru/images/P1010116.JPG

This is the picture I most enjoyed - the guy has a letter and look how his face is lit up. I hope whoever wrote that letter got him back alive and in one piece.
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[Maverick77]

Are Russians still taking casualties daily over there or what. You barely ever hear about it in the news here.

[Clay]

lol the whole russian army are snipers.

Only those that have Bolt-action rifles are in Russia 'snipers'..

Those with SVD and alike, are designated marksmans..

Also,

SVD Dragunov isnt 'snipers rifle' but DMR or long range rifle..

It isnt snipers tool..


SVD was designed not as a standart sniper rifle. In fact, main role of the SVD ir Soviet / Russian Army is to extend effective range of fire of every infantry squad up to 600 meters and to provide special fire support.

;)
yeah I know i just think its funny.

http://akalbum.by.ru/images/P1010152.JPG
umm? russian or? chech?

[Kingpin]

Chech.

[GazB]

A little question . Nevermind that they all sitting on top of the vehicle . If the gunner want to traverse the gun , can he doing without decaputating some head ? It's a mistake not to use gun optic to scan the ground 360 deg , and instead to rely on soldiers eyes , or on the first shot fired by enemy . Why to use the gun and it's optics as back rest , while you can use this resource in very good way ?


ON a front line in WWIII it might be safer inside the vehicle but during most guerilla wars where the main threat is landmines it is generally safer to sit on your vehicle. Most armoured vehicles in modern wars are missile attractors. If the enemy has plenty of powerful antitank weapons then there is greater safety outside your APC...

With 10 guys on the back of an APC means 10 sets of eyes covering all directions. With the sights at high zoom there could be 100 enemy there and you might not spot them in time. At minimum zoom you are not that better off than the guys on your APC... narrow FOV etc.

BTW if the gunner traverses the gun he will likely knock a few guys off the vehicle but I doubt anyone would lose their heads over it.

[wreck]

A little question . Nevermind that they all sitting on top of the vehicle . If the gunner want to traverse the gun , can he doing without decaputating some head ? It's a mistake not to use gun optic to scan the ground 360 deg , and instead to rely on soldiers eyes , or on the first shot fired by enemy . Why to use the gun and it's optics as back rest , while you can use this resource in very good way ?


ON a front line in WWIII it might be safer inside the vehicle but during most guerilla wars where the main threat is landmines it is generally safer to sit on your vehicle. Most armoured vehicles in modern wars are missile attractors. If the enemy has plenty of powerful antitank weapons then there is greater safety outside your APC...

With 10 guys on the back of an APC means 10 sets of eyes covering all directions. With the sights at high zoom there could be 100 enemy there and you might not spot them in time. At minimum zoom you are not that better off than the guys on your APC... narrow FOV etc.

BTW if the gunner traverses the gun he will likely knock a few guys off the vehicle but I doubt anyone would lose their heads over it.
There's been a lot of debate about this "on top" issue.

pros
+ Mines/rpgs don't kill so easily. (this is a big plus, a good mine/rpg hit turn everything inside the APC into grilled minced meat)
+ more eyes watching for enemy, especially in urban environment.
+ more firepower on case of an ambush.

cons
- vulnerability against shrapnel, small arms fire & claymore type mines.
- freakin' cold in "appropriate weather"

[Kingpin]

Are Russians still taking casualties daily over there or what. You barely ever hear about it in the news here.

No. Not everyday.

[GazB]

Another pro is during hot weather a crampt small APC is the last place you want to sit for hours. If the danger is engagement from small arms fire and the bad guys lack AT weapons then it is probably safer to sit inside, but for a very large proportion of the time the danger is mines.

[Javehn]

Well , i don't know the lessons Russians learned in Chechnya , but i know other lessons . Like the fact that one X8 optical sight can do better then 10 pairs oh human eyes . Also the fact that the blast wave from the explosions can smash people that sit outside the vehicle , while the effect can be a less devasteting while inside the vehicle (providing the hatches are open ) . Shrapnell ... A bullets that was fired by one eyed idiot can snipe entire vehicle crue that sitting like ducks on top. And the fact , that it's still not safe to drive this way.

Against ATGM fired on IFV , there is speciffic drills to avoid the ATGM , something problematic to do when you have at list 10 guys sitting on top. How can you coordinate between their action , and vehicle action ?

[Uninen]

Javehn,

Just checking.. but.. Israel doesnt have any IFVs?

Just MBTs and APCs..

(Nothing like M2/3, CV90 or BMPs..)

:|

[Dmitri]

the fact that one X8 optical sight can do better then 10 pairs oh human eyes .Just wondering what kind of sight is that and what angle does it cover?

[mack pl]

Does Russian army has something like CIMIC units(civil military cooperation)? And, what with PsyOps, do you use some units like that? I guess you have no CIMIC, but PsyOps you have, i think but im not sure.Why you dont kill or captured Shamil Basayev and Aslan Maschadov yet, like you did with Dudayev?BTW i hope this f***n war will end soon :| Ohh, this question is for russian on this forum. Spasiba ryebyata ;)

[Kingpin]

Does Russian army has something like CIMIC units(civil military cooperation)? And, what with PsyOps, do you use some units like that? I guess you have no CIMIC, but PsyOps you have, i think but im not sure.Why you dont kill or captured Shamil Basayev and Aslan Maschadov yet, like you did with Dudayev?BTW i hope this f***n war will end soon :| Ohh, this question is for russian on this forum. Spasiba ryebyata ;)

CIMIC - no. But don't forget that Chechnya isn't Iraq and cooperation with civilians are mostly police and FSB task.
PsyOps was used intensively in Afganistan. Now i know only one case of using PsyOps in Chechnya (from SoF Russian edition article). May be there was more.

[mack pl]

Ok, thanks. I know that Chechnya isnt Iraq. I guess FSB and MILITIA, couldnt work in every places in Chechnya. Do they cooperate with people in villages near mountains where is a lot of rebeliants. Chechnya is very small, so rebeliants could atack this policemens.BTW in Chechen Police(militia) are only chechens or russians too. I mean, in this police must working Kadyrov peoples, who suported Russians in this conflict.Spasiba, ya podumayu , shto ty russkij, da?(thanks, i guess you are russian, yeah?) ;)

[Kingpin]

Ok, thanks. I know that Chechnya isnt Iraq. I guess FSB and MILITIA, couldnt work in every places in Chechnya. Do they cooperate with people in villages near mountains where is a lot of rebeliants. Chechnya is very small, so rebeliants could atack this policemens.BTW in Chechen Police(militia) are only chechens or russians too. I mean, in this police must working Kadyrov peoples, who suported Russians in this conflict.Spasiba, ya podumayu , shto ty russkij, da?(thanks, i guess you are russian, yeah?) ;)

It seems i'm Russian. At least down to 1850's i can be sure about my ancestors. :) :) In mountains this is border guards' responsibility in many aspects. Militia now is wild mix of chechens and others nations (calling them russian is rather incorrect because there is a lot of other nationalities in Russia).

BTW it is very strange to see that US folks trying to protect their policy in Iraq by saying: "look how much Iraqis work with us. We together going to build new blah-blah-blah."

Hey, is anybody home there? Look how much chechens working with governoment authorities! Who are them in that case?

[mack pl]

I know how many chechens work together with russians(Kadyrow).And i know how multinationality caucas is(and Russia too).Chechens have some relatives with Poles.Your Car(spelling), or Ceaser, i dont know how is that in english, sent many Poles to Chechnya, when Shamil started Chechen uprising against Russia. Its not Shamil Basayev, hahaha. It was in XIX century. Many of Poles, changed side of conflict and they made cavalry regiment in his army.Well, for Poles in those times russia was big enemy.We fight against you many times(uprising in1830,1864).BTW , about ancestors, i have some relatives only with some ukrainians. Its my only connection with East Europe.BTW, those borderguards are independent formation. In CCCP , borderguard was part of KGB, yeah?

[Kingpin]

I know how many chechens work together with russians(Kadyrow).And i know how multinationality caucas is(and Russia too).Chechens have some relatives with Poles.Your Car(spelling), or Ceaser, i dont know how is that in english, sent many Poles to Chechnya, when Shamil started Chechen uprising against Russia. Its not Shamil Basayev, hahaha. It was in XIX century. Many of Poles, changed side of conflict and they made cavalry regiment in his army.Well, for Poles in those times russia was big enemy.We fight against you many times(uprising in1830,1864).BTW , about ancestors, i have some relatives only with some ukrainians. Its my only connection with East Europe.BTW, those borderguards are independent formation. In CCCP , borderguard was part of KGB, yeah?

Thanks, i know history. :) I only didn't know about Poles involvement. BTW Shamil surrendered and lived in Russia peacefully until his last days. His son served in Russian army if i remember correctly

[mack pl]

Sorry, i like to teach other people. Im student of history, and i will be a teacher soon ;) Polish involvement in Shamil upraising was very similar to ours invovement in Haitans uprising . Napoleon sent ours troops on Haiti, to kick some black ass(im not racist,haha), but Poles dont like to do that. We made a battalion infantry.It was personal guard of this black commander of Haiti. BTW this Shamil wasnt grandfather of Shamil Basayev?? rofl

[Kingpin]

BTW this Shamil wasnt grandfather of Shamil Basayev?? rofl

No. It seems Poles are greatest peace activist hippies in the world. :) Don't you afraid your soldiers will join Iraqi resistance if things in Iraq will go bad? :) :) :)

[mack pl]

We arent hippis :-*$ (this blue is hippi). No, i dont affraid that. Becaus situation in Iraq is difficult now, and i didnt notice any Poles who join to resistance,haha.I guess we are very justice nation,haah. We joint to Chechens, and haitians because their war was justice.Wars against imperialism ;) I think, if i give you order to killing some people from East Timor, because they fight against Indonesia, you dont want to go there.We dont want to fight against Chechens, and haitians. But Iraq is something different.It was our idea to go there, so we never changed side in this conflict p-) BTW how do you know is he not Shamil Basayev granfather. You talking with Shamil B. ?? Are you in Chechnya now ;)

[Kingpin]

I was kidding :) relax!

[mack pl]

I dont like russians jokes ;)

[RomanS]

go eat a sausage , and stop hijacking threads you people from Poland.

Don't you have some **** to do over there?

[Kingpin]

go eat a sausage , and stop hijacking threads you people from Poland.

Don't you have some **** to do over there?

Man! Relax!

[Herrmannek]

I dont like russians jokes ;)

I love..esspecialy about Stirlitz :)

[Kingpin]

I dont like russians jokes ;)

I love..esspecialy about stirlitz :)
Yep, Shtirlitz rules. As for movie itself... actor had very difficult role - most of the time he had to keep silence without any word spoken. And at the same time he must be able to show what he feels currently. :)

[mack pl]

Te Permskij fiucie spierdalaj :fork: BTW Stirliz, hahaha polish Cpt.Kloss was better ;)

[Herrmannek]

Te Permskij fiucie spierdalaj :fork: BTW Stirliz, hahaha polish Cpt.Kloss was better ;)

If you want to say something you don't want to hear from others....STFU...

[mack pl]

Wkurwil mnie jelop jeden, ale juz luzuje.Im to nervous, but im cool now ;)

[Kingpin]

Te Permskij fiucie spierdalaj :fork: BTW Stirliz, hahaha polish Cpt.Kloss was better ;)

If you want to say something you don't want to hear from others....STFU...

Well, Permskiy right - we're highjacking thread :)
Kloss.... Something familiar... Unfortunately i almost don't watch TV and videos for many years... :)

[mack pl]

Kloss was older brother for Stirliz, theirs real names was Permskiomonowich(Ivan and Vladimir) rofl About highjacking thread-what the f***k, we should talk only about f**n Chechnya???????

[Kingpin]

Kloss was older brother for Stirliz, theirs real names was Permskiomonowich(Ivan and Vladimir) rofl About highjacking thread-what the f***k, we should talk only about f**n Chechnya???????

No, you should show some respect to other readers, who definitely don't interested in Kloss.

[RomanS]

mack
there is a topic on that already

GO and POST your **** there.

THis is for photos, and the discussion relating the photos.

[mack pl]

Ok, Ok. Izvyenitye ryebyata. But i dont started this **** with stirlitz-Kloss. Before i talking with Kingpin about Chechnya, so whats the problem .

[Kingpin]

Ok, Ok. Izvyenitye ryebyata. But i dont started this **** with stirlitz-Kloss. Before i talking with Kingpin about Chechnya, so whats the problem .

NP. Permskiy in the bad mood and i understand him.


Сочувствую, мужик, я читал о том что произошло с твоим товарищем...

Сраные террористы. Теперь мне плохо спится в метро по дороге на работу - всё поглядываю нет ли черных личностей поблизости. :) Надеюсь они не собираются снова братся за дома - я только-только обосновался на новой квартирке. :) Но вот чего им хер добиться - так это чтоб я боялся.

[Herrmannek]

Сраные террористы. Теперь мне плохо спится в метро по дороге на работу. :)

I think that better is to be blowed sleeping than concious...

[mack pl]

Stop talking in russian ;) I learn it in highschool, but i forgott alot ;) Ya poluchal troyki z russkovo yazyka.No, ale ya podumayu shto wy po polskyemy nye gavarityez murziki ;)

[Kingpin]

Сраные террористы. Теперь мне плохо спится в метро по дороге на работу. :)

I think that better is to be blowed sleeping than concious...

I suppose we couldn't feel any difference.

[Herrmannek]

Сраные террористы. Теперь мне плохо спится в метро по дороге на работу. :)

I think that better is to be blowed sleeping than concious...

I suppose we couldn't feel any difference.

I realy don't know, but when you sleep "recorder" is turned off.

[tony6]

No. It seems Poles are greatest peace activist hippies in the world. Don't you afraid your soldiers will join Iraqi resistance if things in Iraq will go bad?
That was a good one actually!
:D

mack pl:
don't you have some exams to pass right now (if you're really a student) rather than posting some bull**** every 5 minutes?

[UkrainianSpetsnaz]

noone likes my album? :( :(

[anonymous individual]

noone likes my album? :( :(

I like your album.

[RuSoKaR]

That can be also GRy spetsnaz, but it's really hard to tell...

[RomanS]

Igor,
your album is one of the best on line!
Keep adding more.

I will help you with that on Friday!
I will be posting over 20 New photos from Chechnya!

[GazB]

Well , i don't know the lessons Russians learned in Chechnya , but i know other lessons . Like the fact that one X8 optical sight can do better then 10 pairs oh human eyes .

If the threat was snipers then you have a valid point... the fact that they choose to sit outside the vehicles suggests to me that snipers are not th biggest threat. Besides, after the first sniper shot I doubt the rest of the soldiers would sit and do nothing.


Against ATGM fired on IFV , there is speciffic drills to avoid the ATGM , something problematic to do when you have at list 10 guys sitting on top.

The best defence from ATGMS is lots of bullets heading toward the person firing the weapon. Another good defence is to move quickly from cover to cover... 10 sets of eyes is more likely to spot an ATGM launch than the drew of a closed up APC.


Why you dont kill or captured Shamil Basayev and Aslan Maschadov yet, like you did with Dudayev?

I am sure they would like to, but unlike Dudayev they haven't offered the Russians the opportunity yet... :)

[mack pl]

Tony6, im a student, and i pass exam today woot

[gilgoul]

A little question . Nevermind that they all sitting on top of the vehicle . If the gunner want to traverse the gun , can he doing without decaputating some head ? It's a mistake not to use gun optic to scan the ground 360 deg , and instead to rely on soldiers eyes , or on the first shot fired by enemy . Why to use the gun and it's optics as back rest , while you can use this resource in very good way ?


ON a front line in WWIII it might be safer inside the vehicle but during most guerilla wars where the main threat is landmines it is generally safer to sit on your vehicle. Most armoured vehicles in modern wars are missile attractors. If the enemy has plenty of powerful antitank weapons then there is greater safety outside your APC...

With 10 guys on the back of an APC means 10 sets of eyes covering all directions. With the sights at high zoom there could be 100 enemy there and you might not spot them in time. At minimum zoom you are not that better off than the guys on your APC... narrow FOV etc.

BTW if the gunner traverses the gun he will likely knock a few guys off the vehicle but I doubt anyone would lose their heads over it.

Did you ever see this little film of a BTR 152 blowing up on a IED or land mine?
The APC ends upside down, and all the guys sitting on the it dismembered and sprayed around or under the remnants of the vehicule.
Basically, being on top didn`t seem to have protected them in the least, and if any survivors, they maight have been easy preys for their enemies.
And about your 10 pairs of eyes looking around, no need for any RPg to shut them down definitively, just set your MG, a good burst, and you got already the team of grenadiers out, then you just need to finish of the APC, with his locked gun, and a lot of pressure to help it`s already fallen comrades, No, really, I don`t get this "half mounted" infantry tactic.
It`s not for nothing that APc have been created.

[Dmitri]

How do you know there aren't any people inside? May be they ran out of the room, why not just ride on top? I think you are wrong about sitting on top tactics, yea it's not too good for a well set up ambush, but when you hit a mine, I would rather fly through the air somewhere than be banging inside of it, if you even survive the blast.

[Javehn]

Perhaps the bgest problem here is loosing initiative . Without active scanning (human eyes in driving are mo match to stabilized 2 dim optic ) , and soldiers who staring in the space without looking and covering different sectors, they lost the initiative from the first place . They will respond after they will get shot on , and that can be pretty much to late . About the mines , i don't agree , the chances to be saved inside are bigger (again , if the hatches are open) . About ATGM i would try to smoke , manouvre the space , find cover while counter firing in the overall direction .
You must agree with me , that when soldier spotted ATGM flying , first thing soldiers should do is dismount the vehicle , and then get to safe place from it so the vehicle could manouvre freely . How much pressios second are go on that ?
I was tought from first day in basic training , that it is the most wrong thing to do , stand to high in turret . It was first sign of non proffesionality , and it was called "cocky in the turret " .

[Russian Texan]

Javehn, those tactics/methods were learned from combat lessons and are battle proven in Afganistan, Chechnya 1 & 2 and other "hot spots".
Depending on the operating enviroment soldiers would sit inside or on top.

I also believe that in some other thread 16 ObrSpn gave you very detailed answer to the very same question, why do you ask again?

And stop trying to project what you have heard/learned about IDF onto Russian military, it is defferent: weaponary, tactics, standards, equipment, training, etc.. that is why it is called Russian army and not IDF-2.

[Javehn]

Да да , обяснил . несколько раз даже :) . Просто когда смотрю на такое становится темно в глазах :( ... У нас за такой беспредел пересадили всех по клеткам на месте :)

[Russian Texan]

Ну так как говориться: Что русскому хорошо то немцу смерть :)

[serbian boy]

Russian army and equipment is the best most sturdiest and combat proven **** in da world! :bash: