Firearm

[Jack Mehoff]

I've been drooling over this 9mm for a while now. I think i'm going to pick it up next week


http://firearms.smith-wesson.com/store/index.php3?cat=294735&item=831438&sw_activeTab=3

[James]

Why that one in particular? Just curious.

[Seoulstriker]

isn't that the kind of pistol Scully likes to use? ;)

[Jack Mehoff]

For no particular reason

[MetalBoy]

Looks pretty ugly to me, then again I know nothing about anything.

[James]

Have you considered one of these?

http://www.imageshack.us/files/Kimber.JPG

[Johnnyringo]

1911 Classic.... gotta love the stopping power of one of those.

[James]

1911 Classic.... gotta love the stopping power of one of those.

I have two of them - a Colt M1991 and a Kimber Classic. I installed extended mag wells on both, and put an aftermarket hammer, trigger, and beaver tail on the colt.

They are sweet. Only 9 rounds, but hey, if I ever needed it, I figure 9 is enough.

[Johnnyringo]

Nine lol... just one would be pretty messy. Not quite sure on the ballistics of a .45 but aren't they too powerful for CQB?

[memphiz]

damn thats pretty cool Jack, i wish i could get a gun
-umm can you go hunting with a pistol? i dont hunt but im curious.
http://firearms.smith-wesson.com/userimages/170220_large.jpg

[James]

Nine lol... just one would be pretty messy. Not quite sure on the ballistics of a .45 but aren't they too powerful for CQB?

I don't think so. Less to worry about overpenetration than 9mm. .45 averages around 800-900 fps, while 9mm is 1100-1300 fps. .45 rounds also weigh about twice as much as 9mm.

[Jack Mehoff]

damn thats pretty cool Jack, i wish i could get a gun
-umm can you go hunting with a pistol? i dont hunt but im curious.
http://firearms.smith-wesson.com/userimages/170220_large.jpg

beer cans and bottles

[Jack Mehoff]

Nice
http://firearms.smith-wesson.com/userimages/170173_large.jpg

http://firearms.smith-wesson.com/store/index.php3?cat=293609&item=831455&sw_activeTab=1

[memphiz]

damn thats pretty cool Jack, i wish i could get a gun
-umm can you go hunting with a pistol? i dont hunt but im curious.
http://firearms.smith-wesson.com/userimages/170220_large.jpg

beer cans and bottles
hmm i ment more like deers and bears etc.

[James]

No deer or bears with a 9mm. A deer would be wounded and flee. A bear would get angry and eat you.

[Ghostwolf]

isn't that the kind of pistol Scully likes to use? ;)

The FBI agents in the X-Files TV series use Sig-Sauer P226, or something
like that.

[memphiz]

No deer or bears with a 9mm. A deer would be wounded and flee. A bear would get angry and eat you.

but if you had one of those full-auto glocks. or you capped the deer in the head, or the bear in the head?

[James]

No deer or bears with a 9mm. A deer would be wounded and flee. A bear would get angry and eat you.

but if you had one of those full-auto glocks. or you capped the deer in the head, or the bear in the head?

Well, yeah, you could take a .22 out and shoot a beast in the ear. I would rather have a .30 something or other and shoot said beast through the lungs.

[ShotOver]

Damn, i am sooooo jealous of you guys.

:(

I had like a year waiting period to get my USP... then 4 months before i got it, they become Illegal.

No good pistols are legal here.... not a happy chappy am i.

[Dennis G]

S&W make a good gun but I love the .45

Jack you have a license to carry?


Great web site for the laws Massachusetts but this gives you an example of the laws in other stateshttp://www.goal.org/MGL/LTC.htm

[Jack Mehoff]

My next toy is a Bushmaster XM15-E2S . But first, i'll have to cut down my computer addiction to save money for that boomstick.

[Jack Mehoff]

S&W make a good gun but I love the .45

Jack you have a license to carry?


Great web site for the laws Massachusetts but this gives you an example of the laws in other stateshttp://www.goal.org/MGL/LTC.htm


I don't have the permit to carry...yet.

Utah's law

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/StateLaws.aspx?ST=UT

[Dennis G]

Yeah I have had a permit to carry for a long time.I typically carry my Kimber 1911.

I can't wait for the expiration of the assault weapons ban. Class 3 firearm holy**** the paper work. Thanks alot Bill Clinton

http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IIF1.html<---Class 3 permit

http://www.awbansunset.com/<----assault weapons ban info

[StarvingStudent47]

No deer or bears with a 9mm. A deer would be wounded and flee. A bear would get angry and eat you.

but if you had one of those full-auto glocks. or you capped the deer in the head, or the bear in the head?

9mm rounds will not puncture a bear's skull, even at point blank. No joke. I've heard several campers and homeowners (bear comes into their kitchen) attest to this after personal experience.

And I wouldn't count on a bear dropping immediately from a torso hit with any sort of handgun. It might bleed to death a few hours after it ripped you limb from limb, though.

I don't know a huge amount about handguns, but I *do* know a decent amount about bears. And they are darned effective killing machines.

[Dennis G]

No deer or bears with a 9mm. A deer would be wounded and flee. A bear would get angry and eat you.

but if you had one of those full-auto glocks. or you capped the deer in the head, or the bear in the head?

9mm rounds will not puncture a bear's skull, even at point blank. No joke. And I wouldn't count on it dropping immediately from a torso hit with any sort of handgun. It might bleed to death a few hours after it ripped you limb from limb, though.

I don't know a huge amount about handguns, but I *do* know a decent amount about bears. And they are darned effective killing machines.

True Starving the first time I shot a black bear was with a 12ga. 3" Slug about 30-35 yrds away and that SOB ran almost half a mile

[ChuckThunder]

This is my next gun (http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=172&return=Y)

Everyone should have at least one weapon chambered for .22 L/R.

[Roger Rabbit]

So what should you use to take down a bear?

[Apogee]

I'm planning on picking up a .45 Glock 23 in the near future. Or maybe a Walther P99, we'll see.

[Salty Dog]

Looks pretty ugly to me, then again I know nothing about anything.

yeah it is pretty ugly lookin. you need to get something flashy, a piece with bling. ;)

[Uncle Sam]

Just bought this for $499: Springfield Arms Model XD9702 Ported model...And I LOVE it...I think I'll even Marry it... :D

http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-xdpstl-ported.shtml

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v56/deathdot/XD9702Large.jpghttp://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v56/deathdot/PortedLarge.jpg


XD9702
Caliber: .40 S&W
Capacity: 10+1
Barrel: 4.05"
Sights: Dovetail front & rear (steel)
Size: 27 ozs., 7" overall length
Trigger Pull: 5.5 to 7.7 lbs. Ultra Safety Assurance (USATM) action trigger system
Magazines: 2 Stainless Steel 10 rd., easy glide magazines (Law Enforcement & Export: 12 rd. .40 S&W)
MSRP: $525

[Uncle Sam]

I'm planning on picking up a .45 Glock 23 in the near future. Or maybe a Walther P99, we'll see.

I have a P99 .40 S&W also...Great handgun !

[Salty Dog]

Just bought this for $499: Springfield Arms Model XD9702 Ported model...And I LOVE it...I think I'll even Marry it... :D

http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-xdpstl-ported.shtml

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v56/deathdot/XD9702Large.jpghttp://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v56/deathdot/PortedLarge.jpg


XD9702
Caliber: .40 S&W
Capacity: 10+1
Barrel: 4.05"
Sights: Dovetail front & rear (steel)
Size: 27 ozs., 7" overall length
Trigger Pull: 5.5 to 7.7 lbs. Ultra Safety Assurance (USATM) action trigger system
Magazines: 2 Stainless Steel 10 rd., easy glide magazines (Law Enforcement & Export: 12 rd. .40 S&W)
MSRP: $525

now that looks like a handgun.



also, what's the difference between sizes of the rounds. i know a .45 is larger than a 9mm round, but what else? how large is a .40? and a .38? please help me to understand.

[spoonman]

499$? ouch, for 149$ i got this bad boy NIB.
http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v15/spoonman2/hs2000sesse.JPG
same basic gun minus the porting and the springfield name.

this is what i paid 499$ for.

http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v15/spoonman2/amd1xx.jpg

http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v15/spoonman2/amd2xx.jpg

[Dennis G]

So what should you use to take down a bear?

Really anything if it has the power to kill the bear and not wound it. For black bear you could use a 270 Winchester, Shotgun with 2 3/4" or 3" slug, For the big bears you simply do not want to discuss anything under the .338 Mag. with 250 grain premium bullets. I carry a Brno (CZ model 602) in .458 Lott, and highly recommend .375 H&H's on up into the big .40's. Rifles used for the big bears.

[Nondescript]

Damn if I wanted to buy a gun I'd have to be a member of a gun club for 6 months and have a need for it, that gun would have to be a .22. 6 months after that I would be able to buy a bigger gun but only if the gun club that I go to uses that kind of weapon. And then I'd have to renew the license every year.

So I just joined the home guard instead, got a G3 for free. Sometime after April I'll get my brand new Aimpoint sight for free, not the old Comp M2. It's a completly new design, it's hard to believe that the Swedish Home Guard will get the most modern red dot sight in the world.

The best thing is the ammo is free, and I get to have fun out in the "sand box" about once a month. Not nearly enough for my liking though.

Btw. If I were to come across a bear in the woods would my G3 be enough to put it down, should the need arise. I know almost nothing about hunting, I'm a city boy.

[James]

So what should you use to take down a bear?

A big rifle. 7mm or more. .505 Gibbs would do the trick.

[Jack Mehoff]

Damn if I wanted to buy a gun I'd have to be a member of a gun club for 6 months and have a need for it, that gun would have to be a .22. 6 months after that I would be able to buy a bigger gun but only if the gun club that I go to uses that kind of weapon. And then I'd have to renew the license every year.

So I just joined the home guard instead, got a G3 for free. Sometime after April I'll get my brand new Aimpoint sight for free, not the old Comp M2. It's a completly new design, it's hard to believe that the Swedish Home Guard will get the most modern red dot sight in the world.

The best thing is the ammo is free, and I get to have fun out in the "sand box" about once a month. Not nearly enough for my liking though.

Btw. If I were to come across a bear in the woods would my G3 be enough to put it down, should the need arise. I know almost nothing about hunting, I'm a city boy.


Swedish army let you take your weapon home?

[redhawk_six]

I've been drooling over this 9mm for a while now. I think i'm going to pick it up next week


http://firearms.smith-wesson.com/store/index.php3?cat=294735&item=831438&sw_activeTab=3

Think that's the gun the RCMP uses... Never seen an RCMP sidearm outside of the holster before, so I'm not sure. I know they use a 9mm made by S&W.

[memphiz]

No deer or bears with a 9mm. A deer would be wounded and flee. A bear would get angry and eat you.

but if you had one of those full-auto glocks. or you capped the deer in the head, or the bear in the head?

9mm rounds will not puncture a bear's skull, even at point blank. No joke. I've heard several campers and homeowners (bear comes into their kitchen) attest to this after personal experience.

And I wouldn't count on a bear dropping immediately from a torso hit with any sort of handgun. It might bleed to death a few hours after it ripped you limb from limb, though.

I don't know a huge amount about handguns, but I *do* know a decent amount about bears. And they are darned effective killing machines.

hmm i see, so what you saying is..... i should buy a bear ;) ...




on a side note i thought of the coolest weapon-a full-auto shotgun pistol, man that be cool you would need wicked strong wrist though

[Haiw]

Just get yourself a Jackhammer... :P

[Roger Rabbit]

Ok thanks for the infomation on the bears.

[Nondescript]

Damn if I wanted to buy a gun I'd have to be a member of a gun club for 6 months and have a need for it, that gun would have to be a .22. 6 months after that I would be able to buy a bigger gun but only if the gun club that I go to uses that kind of weapon. And then I'd have to renew the license every year.

So I just joined the home guard instead, got a G3 for free. Sometime after April I'll get my brand new Aimpoint sight for free, not the old Comp M2. It's a completly new design, it's hard to believe that the Swedish Home Guard will get the most modern red dot sight in the world.

The best thing is the ammo is free, and I get to have fun out in the "sand box" about once a month. Not nearly enough for my liking though.

Btw. If I were to come across a bear in the woods would my G3 be enough to put it down, should the need arise. I know almost nothing about hunting, I'm a city boy.


Swedish army let you take your weapon home?

Yep I can keep my weapon at home, the only requirement is that I keep it separated into 3 parts. I don't need to keep it locked in a safe either, we are issued barrel locks instead (has to be used). Here is a link to the company that makes them. http://www.amlock.se/
So we keep the key to the barrel lock, the trigger mechanism and the rest of the weapon hidden in separate places.

You can always choose to keep it locked up in a safe place at the regiment that your unit belongs to, this has to be done if your leaving your home for a period longer than 5 weeks. Ammo on the other hand is now strictly forbidden to keep at home, it's very likely you'll get kicked out of your unit if you do. A couple of years ago this wasn't the case, but since a couple of stupid morons :bash: used thier weapon and ammo to shot at things (peoples, animals etc.), we have been taken away that right. And there are a lot of people that would like to see our weapons taken away from us also. Strange thing is most of those peoples are hunters.

[TriggerPuller]

I'm planning on picking up a .45 Glock 23 in the near future. . No such animal! The G23 comes in .40. You can buy an after market .357 Sig drop in barrel for it and use same magazines or put in a drop in 9mm barrel and use 9mm magazines. The Glock models in .45 are the G30,G36.G21 and the new G37 in .45 GAP.

TP

[Jack Mehoff]

Damn if I wanted to buy a gun I'd have to be a member of a gun club for 6 months and have a need for it, that gun would have to be a .22. 6 months after that I would be able to buy a bigger gun but only if the gun club that I go to uses that kind of weapon. And then I'd have to renew the license every year.

So I just joined the home guard instead, got a G3 for free. Sometime after April I'll get my brand new Aimpoint sight for free, not the old Comp M2. It's a completly new design, it's hard to believe that the Swedish Home Guard will get the most modern red dot sight in the world.

The best thing is the ammo is free, and I get to have fun out in the "sand box" about once a month. Not nearly enough for my liking though.

Btw. If I were to come across a bear in the woods would my G3 be enough to put it down, should the need arise. I know almost nothing about hunting, I'm a city boy.


Swedish army let you take your weapon home?

Yep I can keep my weapon at home, the only requirement is that I keep it separated into 3 parts. I don't need to keep it locked in a safe either, we are issued barrel locks instead (has to be used). Here is a link to the company that makes them. http://www.amlock.se/
So we keep the key to the barrel lock, the trigger mechanism and the rest of the weapon hidden in separate places.

You can always choose to keep it locked up in a safe place at the regiment that your unit belongs to, this has to be done if your leaving your home for a period longer than 5 weeks. Ammo on the other hand is now strictly forbidden to keep at home, it's very likely you'll get kicked out of your unit if you do. A couple of years ago this wasn't the case, but since a couple of stupid morons :bash: used thier weapon and ammo to shot at things (peoples, animals etc.), we have been taken away that right. And there are a lot of people that would like to see our weapons taken away from us also. Strange thing is most of those peoples are hunters.

What the hell is the point of having a weapon if you keep them separated in 3 parts and without ammo

[kinghk]

Swedish army let you take your weapon home?

Yep I can keep my weapon at home, the only requirement is that I keep it separated into 3 parts. I don't need to keep it locked in a safe either, we are issued barrel locks instead (has to be used). Here is a link to the company that makes them. http://www.amlock.se/
So we keep the key to the barrel lock, the trigger mechanism and the rest of the weapon hidden in separate places.
[/quote]

In Norway, you can keep both ammo and a G3 rifle at home.

[Nondescript]

The Swedish homeguard is a light infantry unit with high alert status, in 2 hours we are supposed to be where we are asked to be. Thus we keep our weapon at home because it's quicker than first going to the regiment, collect your weapon and then going to where you were supposed to go. The ammo is collected by the company quartermaster. He gets space for more ammo this way, compared to first loading up the truck with 50 rifles, then getting the support weapons and all the ammo somewhere in there.

I guess it could work to have all the weapons in the same place in all the major cities, but out in the countryside where the nearest regiment is 200 miles away this wouldn't work.

[Nondescript]

Swedish army let you take your weapon home?

Yep I can keep my weapon at home, the only requirement is that I keep it separated into 3 parts. I don't need to keep it locked in a safe either, we are issued barrel locks instead (has to be used). Here is a link to the company that makes them. http://www.amlock.se/
So we keep the key to the barrel lock, the trigger mechanism and the rest of the weapon hidden in separate places.


In Norway, you can keep both ammo and a G3 rifle at home.

I don't know when but somewhere in the late 90's before I joined, it was decided by the "higher ups" that no ammo could be stored at home. This was because of a series of embarrassing incidents, where stupid :bash: home guards men fired thier weapons when they shouldn't have. Needles to say they were kicked out of their unit and fined, some were put in prison depending on what they'd done. These incidents were not many in numbers but enough to make a change, mainly becuase the home guard was hanging by a lose thread as it was.

[FallenAngel]

So what should you use to take down a bear?

one of these...

http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2200/2288.htm

or, if you're really looking to scare the bear away...

http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2200/2289.htm

[California Joe]

Weaon of choice for guides is a .375 H&H mag.