IRAQ Civil Defence Corps and New Iraqi Army Photos...

[Marmot1]

IRAQ Civil Defence Corps and New Iraqi Army Photos...

If you have photos of those units or other friendly Iraqi's please post it...

Here some for start :lol:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/images/icdc-1b.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/images/icdc_image31.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/images/icdc-200310293b.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/images/icdc-200310293c.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/images/icdc-200310293d.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/images/icdc-200310293e.jpg

[Uninen]

Nice pics..

Of traitors..

:-*$

:(

[George W. Bush]

Nice pics..

Of traitors..

:-*$

:(

Have you forgot to take your meds today? Asshole! :bash:

[Uninen]

No i havent,

(I have no 'meds' and no need for ones.. also thanks for the insult.. :fork: )

And they are traitors.

They work with the occupier..

They are nothing more than those guys working with Nazis in occupied nations.

:roll:

I ask you..

WOULD YOU WORK WITH OCCUPIER IF YOUR NATION WAS INVADED?

It think not.. at least, i wouldnt..

:|

[George W. Bush]

Bad example.

A better one is post-war Germany. If the U.S. dethroned your Nazi leader would you put down your arms and help your country recover?

I would

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baseball caps? :cantbeli:

[George W. Bush]

LOL. They just scream, "Shoot me!"

[Uninen]

wangchung,

Your right..

But so am i..

The thing is a two edged sword..

If i was Iraqi today.. i would fight against USA, but if i had been German way back then, i would work to rebuild my nation..

And about RED CAPs..

Maybe they are used in OPS?

To indicate that they are friendlies?

I dont know im just guessing..

But that RED would be easy and fast way to make difference between friendly and and hostile 'native' forces in a messed up 360 degree fire fight..

As they all use AKs and such, so the gear isnt a good way to indentify them..

;)

[Kenshin]

I ask you..

WOULD YOU WORK WITH OCCUPIER IF YOUR NATION WAS INVADED?

It think not.. at least, i wouldnt..


Yes.. If my occupier brings me freedom and liberty from tyrants like Saddam and Hitler. I will work with them so that no tyrants like those occupy my country again. <spoken with proud tone>

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Kenshin you are gulible

[Uninen]

Hitler wasnt a tyrant..

He was chosen by the people,

And LOVED BY THEM..

:cantbeli:

And Saddam also wasnt half as bad as you are led to belive..

All the 'innocents' he killed usually were of some rebel / terrorist group..

:|

But there was also some 'collateral damage'..

Just like in US ops..

In Iraq.. since start of 2003 more than 20 000 civilians killed by US fire..

(talk about FREEDOM.. one cant enjoy that if he / she is killed by 'liberators', now can he?)

Before that.. only god knows..

:|

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http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/images/icdc-200310293e.jpg

my point about the caps is that if you are trying to rebuild an islamic country you should try not to make the people working for you look so fvcking american, this is not a good way to win hearts and minds.

[Apogee]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/images/icdc-200310293e.jpg

That guy has the green book of power!

[George W. Bush]

:lol: That's rediculous. 90% of cowardly ambush attacks is going on in Sunni areas (Sunni triangle.)

Sadly, my country's Army is learning thru experience on how to defeat Baathist loyalists, Islamoterrorists, whatever you want to call them.

My bet is that you would get your ass kicked by Iraqis wit that kind of attitude.

[Vance]

Hitler wasnt a tyrant..

He was chosen by the people,

And LOVED BY THEM..

:cantbeli:

And Saddam also wasnt half as bad as you are led to belive..

All the 'innocents' he killed usually were of some rebel / terrorist group..

:|

But there was also some 'collateral damage'..

Just like in US ops..

In Iraq.. since start of 2003 more than 20 000 civilians killed by US fire..

(talk about FREEDOM.. one cant enjoy that if he / she is killed by 'liberators', now can he?)

Before that.. only god knows..

:|
Stick with telling half-truths. You're good at it.

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no you're right the US is always right :roll: like anywhere is

[Dalleer]

And Saddam also wasnt half as bad as you are led to belive..

All the 'innocents' he killed usually were of some rebel / terrorist group..


I very much doubt your words, until you present some evidence of your "claims" that seem very much ridiculous.

Hitler is no better than Saddam, Saddam is no better than Stalin, Stalin is no better than...etc.

All of these people are the same **** in a different package, and let me tell you, all of them deserve a bullet in the head.

[Uninen]

all of them deserve a bullet in the head.

:roll: :lol:

What about Bush and Blair?

Are they in your view good and honest persons?

:lol:

Open you eyes, and you shall see the truth before you..

:|

[Dalleer]

What about Bush and Blair?

Are they in your view good and honest persons?

It rather seems, that what I just said completely escaped you.

They're all the same **** in a different package, and deserve a bullet in the head.


Open you eyes, and you shall see the truth before you..

Damn, you sound like Morpheus or something...

[Tengu]

:roll: :lol:

What about Bush and Blair?

Are they in your view good and honest persons?

:lol:

Open you eyes, and you shall see the truth before you..

:|They aren't the kind of politicians that execute many 100.000 of civilians or kill ppl who speak ill about them. They even saved ppl who would have suffered te same fate.

Open you eyes, and you shall see the truth before you..Take your own advice.

[Uninen]

Tengu,

Thanks..

Ive seen the light..

rofl

Dalleer..

You didnt mention those persons that i mentioned..

So how would i know that you included them also..

"Damn, you sound like Morpheus or something..."

:roll:

I see things.. as they are..

[Dalleer]

You didnt mention those persons that i mentioned..

So how would i know that you included them also..

You are absolutely right, you wouldn't know that I included them as well.



I see things.. as they are..


Yes, the red pill or the blue pill then...

[mack pl]

Sorry, Uninen, but i think its better for iraqis, when Saddam isnt theirs president now. I guess iraqis wanted freedom. What is the freedom? Well, for me its situations when you could say something against your president for example. Of course no something like-You fu**ing idiot, but some critic about his job, or something like that. My english isnt too good to describe my feelings about the freedom of nation.I guess, you arent from some country with dictator or something like that, so you should know what is the real freedom. I hope iraqis will have some good president, who will be not killing innocent people. About occupation i could say only that, its not occupation like in WW II, when nazis killing millions people(civil).USA want to build really democratic state in Iraq, but some people(sunnits) dont want losse his power in Iraq. They arent the biggest group in Iraq, so they affraid the siits, kurds. They will do almost everything to stop USA, and the rest of iraqis who really want build democratic state.Ohhh, i never write so much in english. Sorry for any mistakes ;)

[Marmot1]

in november there were 100 000 ppl in various armed structures in iraq and more wanted to join but there is no equipment for them so far also they are undergoing verification... now probably there is about 150 000 of coalition friendly iraqis so what i can gues they support rebuilding of their country. I know that media show only attack,demonstration e.t.c becouse they deliver what ppl want to see since opening of rebuild school or repairing damaged road is borring and nobady want's to see it in TV, take a look at my another topic that I started today that shoow normal life in iraq, I know it's boring but I wanted to show you other iraq without IED etc...

[Uninen]

You are right,

They will eventually be better off without Saddam..

But OP Iraqi Freedom wasnt the right way..

Like i said:

US Troops alone have killed more than 20 000 Iraqi civilians..

:(

[Marmot1]

You are right,

They will eventually be better off without Saddam..

But OP Iraqi Freedom wasnt the right way..

Like i said:

US Troops alone have killed more than 20 000 Iraqi civilians..

:(

20000??? have you list??? or maybe 400000 thousands or maybe 0 reveal your source...

http://iraqbodycount.com/body_count/ibc144_1.gif
they say its betwen:8235 and 10079 They are anti american and even they do not say it's 20000

[Tengu]

You are right,

They will eventually be better off without Saddam..

But OP Iraqi Freedom wasnt the right way..

Like i said:

US Troops alone have killed more than 20 000 Iraqi civilians..

:( your source??

[mack pl]

This operation was very big.I dont know how many people die realyy, maybe 20 000, maybe no.I thing, it was not a big cost of freedom for them. I guess Saddam was worst for them, by many years. US AIR FORCE was "bad" only by one month. I think new iraqi govrment will be better than saddams.Im sure of that. I dont defend this operation"Iraqi freedom" only because Poland participation in it, but i belive it was good for iraqis. Maybe some of them dont like new situations, but most of them belive of better future. For them the bigget problem was a Saddams regime, not a occupation by the USA. Maybe for you its not very interesting who is a president of country like Iraq.Maybe you dont care what he doing with owns people, but sometimes you must moved ass and changed something in world. I hope this changes wich we done, will be good for iraqis.Im sure of that, becuse saddams regim was very bad for them.

[Kenshin]

Hitler wasnt a tyrant..

He was chosen by the people,

And LOVED BY THEM..

:cantbeli:

And Saddam also wasnt half as bad as you are led to belive..


:|

Sorry but you see, things happened differently here on planet EARTH.

[Dennis G]

nice photos

anyone have photos of iraqi police

[TALOS]

Hitler wasnt a tyrant..

He was chosen by the people,

And LOVED BY THEM..

:cantbeli:

And Saddam also wasnt half as bad as you are led to belive..


:|

Sorry but you see, things happened differently here on planet EARTH.
HAHA Kenshin, I agree, I couldnt believe someone would defend Hitler and Saddam in one breath.
Obviously that would tend to negate any points they want to make as we all know what Hitler and Saddam were like.
Uninen, are you some part of an anti freedom, pro-anarchy group by chance?

[Dennis G]

You are right,

They will eventually be better off without Saddam..

But OP Iraqi Freedom wasnt the right way..

Like i said:

US Troops alone have killed more than 20 000 Iraqi civilians..

:(

Yeah you need to show your source. mack pl you made a good point.

[Tengu]

Uninen seems to be the kind of guy who my grandparents killed during ww2.

[Dennis G]

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Iraqi+police/v=2/l=IVI/*-http://www.metimes.com/2K3/issue2003-35/issue_metpix/us_will_train.jpg

[Tengu]

*watching Dennis G's avatar* *watching the pic.* OMG seeing double here :|

[George W. Bush]

nice photos

anyone have photos of iraqi police

You mean "Iraqi police"? They are quisling traitors who are fighting the for the Zionist occupation. Long live the resistance! rofl

[Uninen]

My sources:

Iraqi hospitals body counts.

After their count hit something 20 000 they were ORDERED TO STOP THE COUNTING..

Here:

Executive Summary (save as) (http://www.medact.org/tbx/docs/iraq%20-%20hmp%20final%20exec%20summary%202003.doc)

The war on Iraq and its aftermath exacted a heavy toll on combatants and civilians, who paid and continue to pay the price in death, injury and mental and physical ill health. Between 21,700 and 55,000 people died between March 20 and October 20, 2003 (the date on which this report went to press), while the health and environmental consequences of the conflict will be felt for many years to come.


Continuing Collateral Damage:
The health and environmental costs of war on Iraq

Executive Summary

The war on Iraq and its aftermath exacted a heavy toll on combatants and civilians, who paid and continue to pay the price in death, injury and mental and physical ill health. Between 21,700 and 55,000 people died between March 20 and October 20, 2003 (the date on which this report went to press), while the health and environmental consequences of the conflict will be felt for many years to come.

This toll is calculated in a comprehensive, independent survey written and researched by health professionals for the Iraqi Health Monitoring Project, managed by Medact and part-funded by Oxfam and the Polden-Puckham Charitable Foundation. Its conclusions are based on the best available information on a range of health indicators from sources in the public domain, and observations from expert individuals and organisations in and outside Iraq.

The impact of war on health is usually assessed primarily in terms of its most direct and visible effects ? death and injury through conflict. Between 7,800 and 9,600 Iraqi civilians are estimated to have died in this way, and 394 Coalition combatants. Estimates of the number of Iraqi military deaths range from 13,500 - 45,000. In the absence of official body counts, the final toll will probably never be known. In addition, thousands of combatants on both sides as well as civilians suffered severe injuries, including amputations and mental trauma that triggers psychiatric disorders.

The full effects of war are, however, felt through many other less direct but potentially equally deadly or more deadly pathways. Here the death toll and disease burden could be numbered in tens of thousands. Yet it may never be known for certain, owing to the lack of accurate data, lack of functioning health information systems, lack of commitment to collecting or disseminating the data, and the absence of agreed conceptual models for measuring the effects of conflict on health.

The report assesses the impact of the war on the determinants of health, including limited access to clean water and sanitation; poverty and household food security; environmental degradation; disruption of social systems and public services, including health services; and social breakdown. There has been deterioration in all these determinants. The health of the Iraqi people is generally worse than before the war. And as documented in our earlier report, Collateral Damage: the health and environmental costs of war on Iraq (issued 12 November 2002), that state of health was already poor by international standards; any fresh conflict was likely to lead to further decline, at least in the short to medium term.

The impact of the war on the Iraqi environment is also documented. This includes extensive pollution of land, sea, rivers and the atmosphere that may have spilled over to neighbouring countries. Oil well fires created oil spills and toxic smoke. Troop movements destroyed fragile desert ecology. Explosive remnants of war and land mines killed and maimed people and animals and polluted the landscape. Bombardment destroyed topsoil and arable/grazing land as well as the physical infrastructure of buildings, roads, railways, power stations, sewage plants and telecommunications.

The report analyses the postwar occupation and reconstruction of Iraq from a health perspective. While acknowledging efforts to provide emergency health relief and restore battered health services, it notes that long-term health and wellbeing will depend on restoration of security, revitalisation of the economy, and reconstruction of all services that impact on health as well as regeneration of health services.

The report also advocates the need to study the long-term effects of war on mental and physical health, an internationally neglected issue despite the continuing presence of conflicts around the globe whose massive health and human cost is seldom fully counted.

Finally, the report?s recommendations include a proposal for the re-establishment of an Iraqi health sector based on the principle that health and health care are fundamental social rights. Health system reconstruction provides an opportunity to correct past mistakes in the organisation of health services. It can be an important aspect of nation-building, and promote healthy inter-community and international relationships through which, as the World Health Organisation points out, health can act as a ?bridge to peace?.

Continuing Collateral Damage: the health and environmental costs of war on Iraq is issued in London on 11 November 2003 by the global health organisation Medact, the UK affiliate of International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War (IPPNW) ? winner of the Nobel Peace Prize in 1985. It is being released on the same day in Boston Massachusetts by IPPNW and by other IPPNW affiliates in 12 other countries.

The report can be found in English, Arabic and Italian on the Medact website www.medact.org and the IPPNW website www.ippnw.org, as can additional working papers on issues arising from the report.

This Executive Summary is also available in Arabic, Sorani and other languages on these websites.

:bash:

Seems like my 20 000 is too few, as IRW its 21,700 to 55,000..

And the real number of civilians is much higher than that '10k'.


You can argue about whether killing Iraqi troops is acceptable, given that many were conscripts who had no choice but to join, and it's likely that many more civilians died than have been reported

:bash:

"Uninen, are you some part of an anti freedom, pro-anarchy group by chance?"

:roll:

No..

Actually,

I love ORDER more than any of you.. or so it seems.

And 'Freedom' isnt the way to make places safe.

:|

[to free the oppressed]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/images/icdc-200310293b.jpg
Islamic Viet Cong?

[Marmot1]

HE he I also know how to use emots :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

[George W. Bush]

Uninen is sort of like the American Liberal. Favors strong authoritarian government who will protect the sheeple citizens while taking everything they earn from them.

[George W. Bush]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/images/icdc-200310293b.jpg
Islamic Viet Cong?

Ever seen a Viet Cong with an East German AK?

LOL The easy part is arming them. The country is full of AKs, PKMs, PKs, RPKs, whatever.

SO far I've seen these guys carry Romanian, Yugoslavian, Iraqi, and Chinese AKs.

[Uninen]

Marmot1,

:lol:

Less will do..

;)

wangchung,

I do not see myself as being 'liberal', not at all..

:petting:

[George W. Bush]

Ok so you're not an anarchist or a liberal! This is a tough one...

[Uninen]

wangchung,

Didnt they trash all the old weapons?

And ordered NEW AKs from POLAND to arm them?

rofl

[mack pl]

Ok, it could be 20 000 or 50 000 people, i dont care. After this war we will have happy people in next generations, who will remember only this bad things from saddams hands(killings kurds and shiits). I guess this is small cost of freedom.well, maybe freedom is too big word for you. So, i would say only aboyut economy, you are from capitalist country i guss.Untill now all people in Iraq are in the same level. Not only sunnits are in goverment, but Kurds and Shiits too. So, for me those 20 -30 000 people are only neccesery cost of war. We should look at the future of this state. I guess this future will be good. Saddam couldnt be cool guy for own people, because he is evil man. You says he wasnt dictator.So, who was he??? Ohh, friendly dictator,haha.Ok, maybe in iraq was some pools, but you belive they were honest.I doubt it. I will always saying, to my children , and to theys childrens, this war was good.Was good , because we dont want colonized this country ,but helped them build new democratic state. Thats all. You maybe belive, they were happy in old country with Saddam?Hmmm, im from postcomunist country,and im happy in real democratic state.Churchill said -democracy is the worst system in the world, but no one invited anything better. ;)

[Marmot1]

heh sorry they have actualy polish AK and lot of "T" tanks also were from polad...

Also poland probably would suply 2500 HONKER car for new iraqi army in 2 years, also some boots, optics, compases, binoculars,etc...

[Uninen]

Well,

Im not from post communist country..

Im from the only nation from Europe that has resisted and been victorious against every communist take over attemp in history, including ww2, when we were only 'Axis' nation that wasnt occupied at anypoint.

:D


The Battle of Tali-Ihantala was a battle in World War II, part of the Continuation War between Finland and the Soviet Union. It lasted from June 25 to July 9, 1944 in the small area (100km²) between the Gulf of Viipuri and Vuoksi river, and ended with Soviet forces giving up their unsuccessful attempts to force their way through the Finnish defenses.

:lol:

[Marmot1]

Well,

Im not from post communist country..

Im from the only nation from Europe that has resisted and been victorious against every communist take over attemp in history, including ww2, when we were only 'Axis' nation that wasnt occupied at anypoint.

:D


The Battle of Tali-Ihantala was a battle in World War II, part of the Continuation War between Finland and the Soviet Union. It lasted from June 25 to July 9, 1944 in the small area (100km²) between the Gulf of Viipuri and Vuoksi river, and ended with Soviet forces giving up their unsuccessful attempts to force their way through the Finnish defenses.

:lol:
yep but you lost some land in this war...

[Seoulstriker]

these are definitely my favorite ICDC pictures:


note the oakleys, and the way he is holding his weapon. ;)
http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/pzavisla/hostedmilitaryimages/iraqi%20soldier.jpg
http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/pzavisla/hostedmilitaryimages/iraqi%20soldier2.jpg
http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/pzavisla/hostedmilitaryimages/iraqi%20soldier1.jpg

[mack pl]

Hello Suomi ;) You are wrong. Only one country who defeat soviet army(and comunist) was Poland in 1920.we saved Europe from this ****in commie.I think you were good in war against Russia, but they winn this war.We dont loose ant terrains , you lose(Wyborg i think).

[Seoulstriker]

mack, you're from Czestochowa????

my family is from there! awesome. p-)

[mack pl]

Czestochowa rulezzz !!!!!!! woot woot woot woot

[Dalleer]

Hello Suomi You are wrong. Only one country who defeat soviet army(and comunist) was Poland in 1920.we saved Europe from this f*** commie.I think you were good in war against Russia, but they winn this war.We dont loose ant terrains , you lose(Wyborg i think).


Oh, it's just that later in the 40's you got your ass kicked n' occupied by the Germans and right after that you become good friends with the Russians, so I really wouldn't be bashing Finland for our war that was indeed a defeat -but not the one that included occupation and all that stuff.

Viipuri was indeed taken, along with several other parts of our country but we were never in as much deep **** as you were.

Regards.

[Herrmannek]

Hello Suomi You are wrong. Only one country who defeat soviet army(and comunist) was Poland in 1920.we saved Europe from this f*** commie.I think you were good in war against Russia, but they winn this war.We dont loose ant terrains , you lose(Wyborg i think).


Oh, it's just that later in the 40's you got your ass kicked n' occupied by the Germans and right after that you become good friends with the Russians, so I really wouldn't be bashing Finland for our war that was indeed a defeat -but not the one that included occupation and all that stuff.

Viipuri was indeed taken, along with several other parts of our country but we were never in as much deep **** as you were.

Regards.

Lets change with teritorires and we will se who will hold longer :)

[mack pl]

1) Do you heard about september17 1939 ??I guess you dont. In september 1 Poland was invaded by germans, in sep.17 Russia atacked us too. Our last battle against germans was in october 5. so, nobody could winn against 2 the biggest army on world.2) who loves russians???Poles??Are you mad?Ehh, dude, maybe you loves germans but we never loves russians.We have ****in difficult history with them.They arent our allie, they occupied our country. They install comunist goverment in wrsaw, our ****in allies from west dont help us.I was born in occupied country,in 1981.Do you understud that Suomi?I dont think so.I love Finlandia,i dont said you are pussy, but im sur we winn war in 1920.and only we winn with Red Army. woot

[Nizark]

[quote="to free the oppressed"]http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/images/icdc-200310293b.jpg

Looks like a cholo from the mission district

[Marmot1]

http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/images/misc/police_academy3.jpg

http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/images/misc/police_academy1.jpg
Teachers in police academy :-)
http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/images/misc/police_academy2.jpg

http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/images/misc/kosb_icdc.jpg

http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/images/misc/icdc.jpg

http://nandotimes.nandomedia.com/ips_rich_content/672-tikrit.jpg

http://www.payk.net/mailingLists/iran-news/html/current/jpg00094.jpg

http://www.payk.net/mailingLists/iran-news/html/current/jpg00095.jpg

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/rdonlyres/D8EE5577-DD0D-4A1B-8843-28014CF54102/26638/6AAF78E206AC4212A35FCB03FE84991A.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39625000/jpg/_39625037_soldiers_afp203body.jpg

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/WORLD/meast/12/11/sprj.irq.main/vert.1.iraq.army.jpg

[Dalleer]

1) Do you heard about september17 1939 ??I guess you dont. In september 1 Poland was invaded by germans, in sep.17 Russia atacked us too. Our last battle against germans was in october 5. so, nobody could winn against 2 the biggest army on world

What is it with you Polish and Swedish in this board?

Half of you are always willing to pick a fight...



I was born in occupied country,in 1981.Do you understud that Suomi?I dont think so

Oh boo hoo, remind me to cry for you if I'll ever regain something they call "feelings"...


I love Finlandia,i dont said you are pussy, but im sur we winn war in 1920.and only we winn with Red Army.

Well, that's just funny because no one here was questioning your victory against the Soviets in the 1920's.

[Marmot1]

http://www.mod.gov.sk/ms/irak/foto/nabor1.jpg

http://www.mod.gov.sk/ms/irak/foto/nabor.jpg

[mack pl]

1) Whats with Sweds, i dont know any swe p-) 2) In 1920 we winn with commies, but in 1945 it was any polish-soviet war, it was f***n politic, ok.But Poles loves Russians, like you said, and that why polish ressistance fight against them for 1956.Poles loves commies rofl

[Uninen]

http://www.hood.army.mil/4id/Iraqi/news_images/polizei/030727-A-2390P-012.jpg
Iraqi police officers are taught techinques of weapons retention by Sgt. 1st Class Paul Chace, military police officer, 411th MP Company during a class in Tikrit, Iraq, July 27. 2003.

;)

[George W. Bush]

^- Good.

If they are willing to learn we can provide them with the best firearms training in the world to do their jobs and outwin the guerilla war.

[Fioraon]

Nice pics..

Of traitors..

:-*$

:(

Or maybe they just have brains; they have been used by Saddam, America, and pretty much a large part of the advanced western world. You think they really give a **** who they fight for? It’s a game of survival, not of honor. They lost honor thirty years ago.

Would you fight for an already fallen government or would you take the best of what comes? Be it from Americans or anyone else who will offer you the chance to make life just a little more bearable.

You call them a traitor; they’ll call you an idiot. But that’s how the world spins

[Dennis G]

Great photos of Iraqi police Marmot, Uninen thanks. wangchung what the hell is long live the resistance?

Part of helping them build their government and getting Iraq back on its feet is to the point across that their police force is should be respected, considered trustworthy, honest and no longer working as Saddams thugs. I dont think they for the most part they are traitors.

[Uninen]

Viva la resistance...

Something that French used say..

;)

Thats whats is.. and i think that he was being 'sarcastic'..

;)

[Jack Mehoff]

You are right,

They will eventually be better off without Saddam..

But OP Iraqi Freedom wasnt the right way..

Like i said:

US Troops alone have killed more than 20 000 Iraqi civilians..

:(

Don't mistaken that for people Saddam murdered and buried in mass graves

[Marmot1]

Mass Graves
http://www.state.gov/cms_images/8847_map_no_unclass.jpg

Mass graves in Iraq are characterized as unmarked sites containing at least six bodies. Some can be identified by mounds of earth piled above the ground or as deep pits that appear to have been filled. Some older graves are more difficult to identify, having been covered by vegetation and debris over time. Sites have been discovered in all regions of the country and contain members of every major religious and ethnic group in Iraq as well as foreign nationals, including Kuwaitis and Saudis. Over 250 sites have been reported, of which approximately 40 have been confirmed to date. Over one million Iraqis are believed to be missing in Iraq as a result of executions, wars and defections, of whom hundreds of thousands are thought to be in mass graves.



Most of the graves discovered to date correspond to one of five major atrocities perpetrated by the regime.

The 1983 attack against Kurdish citizens belonging to the Barzani tribe, 8,000 of whom were rounded up by the regime in northern Iraq and executed in deserts at great distances from their homes.

The 1988 Anfal campaign, during which as many as 182,000 people disappeared. Most of the men were separated from their families and were executed in deserts in the west and southwest of Iraq. The remains of some of their wives and children have also been found in mass graves.

Chemical attacks against Kurdish villages from 1986 to 1988, including the Halabja attack, when the Iraqi Air Force dropped sarin, VX and tabun chemical agents on the civilian population, killing 5,000 people immediately and causing long-term medical problems, related deaths, and birth defects among the progeny of thousands more.

The 1991 massacre of Iraqi Shi’a Muslims after the Shi’a uprising at the end of the Gulf war, in which tens of thousands of soldiers and civilians in such regions as Basra and Al-Hillah were killed.

The 1991 Kurdish massacre, which targeted civilians and soldiers who fought for autonomy in northern Iraq after the Gulf war.
Opponents and critics of the regime from all religious and ethnic groups were also executed and buried in mass graves. Many of these are believed to be located at or near prisons and former military
establishments.

Galery...
http://www.hrw.org/photos/2003/iraq/
GRAPHIC!!!
http://www.hrw.org/photos/2003/iraq/images/14.jpg

[SFontaine]

Anyone heard of the phrase "Sometimes the few need to be sacrifised for the greater good"? 10k Iraqis had to die so 25 Million would live in freedom in the future. Sad but true.

[usa320]

Hitler wasnt a tyrant..

He was chosen by the people,

And LOVED BY THEM..


Someone who didnt live durring this time period has no right to comment how living under hitler was.

And i dont think many people enjoyed sucking in cyclo-sarin or burning alive in human furnaces.

You Uninen, are a misguided, 15 oh maybe 17 year old punk who is anti-social and thinks hitler was a great guy...i see your type alot, seem to be many of you on the internet. Your all fags the whole lot of you. Get a life and stop worshiping the human form of a pile of steaming bull****.

COCKBAG.

[usa320]

US Troops alone have killed more than 20 000 Iraqi civilians..

THe last count by NGOs was somewhere around 5,000 i believe...

FAGBAG. Get your facts strait.

[Uninen]

:cantbeli:

1. Im not 15 or 17.

2. Im not anti-social

3. Im not misguided, YOU ARE.

4. German people chosed A.Hitler in DEMOCRATIC VOTE.

(note: He didnt even CHEAT IN THE VOTE LIKE G.W did..)

5. US military has KILLED AT LEAST 10 000 IRAQI CIVILIANS DURING YEAR 2003 and MORE THAN MILLION BEFORE, ALSO I SUSPECT THAT THIS FIGURE OF 10 000 IS BULL**** LIKE EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING YOU PEOPLE SAY / CLAIM.

(even your EMBARGOS AGAINST IRAQ COST LIFES OF THAT MILLION AND MAYBE EVEN MORE..)

Have a nice day PUNKS.

As you dont have a clue.

:fork:

[Resevoir Hogs]

WARNING there are graphic photos in this post

Unien are these the terrorist/rebels Saddam so justifyingly killed during his 24 year rule?

http://www.kdp.pp.se/bad0080.jpg
http://www.kdp.pp.se/2.jpg
http://www.kdp.pp.se/4.jpg
http://www.kdp.pp.se/hal.jpg
http://www.kdp.pp.se/ku03.jpg
http://www.kdp.pp.se/image001.gif

Those are just some of the victims of Halabja and other Kurdish cities that were attacked by Iraqi arial bombs, artillery shells and mortars all filled with mustard, chlorein or nerve gasses. It is estimated that over 70,000 Kurds died in those attacks in 1982(by Amnesty International a very credible source).
That is NOT collateral damage when you deliberately fire on an obvious civilian population and is in no way comparable to a US Satelite guided bomb malfunctioning and hitting a school that was beside a palace or republican guard barracks.
If you are implying that those of us opposed to Saddam Hussein's rule are traitors then I'd have to disagree. That you think that people should be loyal to a man that took power through murder and intimidation is beyond logical comprehenssion. My parents were loyal to the people of Iraq and so are those brave men in the Iraqi civil defence corps and the new army. And for this their relatives were killed or imprisoned and they were forced to flee to Jordan.

Frankly as an Iraqi American I take extreme offence to your opinion. I find your lack of knowledge of history has allowed for teh perversion of though and profound distortion of judgement.

[Uninen]

Resevoir Hogs,




All the 'innocents' he killed usually were of some rebel / terrorist group..

:|

But there was also some 'collateral damage'..

Just like in US ops..

In Iraq.. since start of 2003 more than 20 000 civilians killed by US fire..

:roll:

Can we please get back to to topic?

[Jack Mehoff]

Saddam rocks

[Uninen]

And about Halabja,

Latest intel says that it was Iranians gas that killed them?

At least there has been lots of talk about that happening.

:cantbeli:

[Resevoir Hogs]

[quote]Hitler wasnt a tyrant..

He was chosen by the people,

And LOVED BY THEM[\quote]
Unien said

Ya he was loved by the German people alright, except for the jewish germans, the old and weak, the handicapped, the gypsies, homo******s, socialists, communists, democratics, and generally anyone who he deemed to be imperfect.

You make me sick

[Resevoir Hogs]

Latest intel? what Steven Sagal movies have you been watching??

There is no intel about it anymore its a part of history it happened in 1982.
If it was the Iranians then why is there footage of Iraqi migs and mirages flying low with the iraqi flag on the wings. And of Iraqi troops moving into Kurdish territory(from the south not the east) and setting up artillery guns and mortars.

And why did Saddam Hussein openly boast repeated times about how he was exterminating an enemy to his regime?

as many have said before GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT

[Uninen]

As for your insults for me:

http://www.angelfire.com/ma/talktothehand/images/biglogo.jpg

And my facts are correct..

Mr.American Iraqi..

I would be shamed if i was you.

:cantbeli:

P.S.

Ever heard of PKK attacking goverment troops?

Ever heard of PKK listed as terrorist organisation?

:petting:

[Sixgun Symphony]

Uninen is just more of the same euro-trash that are in love with Saddam Hussien.

[Resevoir Hogs]

Sixgun Symphony I completly agree this person is a mental midget.

Lmao "talk to the hand" you're such a valley girl

[Uninen]

:hug:

[ExtraT]

Uninen, you sure are a sick ****.

[jamesp]

:hug:


This kid can't be for real.

[Sixgun Symphony]

:hug:


This kid can't be for real.


I am thinking the same thing.

[Uninen]

:lol:

I just gave them all a big warm hug, as it seems that depating the matter with them isnt going any where as they dont even can prove themselfs to be right or prove that im wrong.

And the **** is quite of the topic because of them..

Also,

Im no 'kid'.

;)

[TALOS]

:lol:

I just gave them all a big warm hug, as it seems that depating the matter with them isnt going any where as they dont even can prove themselfs to be right or prove that im wrong.

And the **** is quite of the topic because of them..

Also,

Im no 'kid'.

;)
when you make comments like "the latest intel shows it was the iranians who gassed the villages" you arent debating, your living in another dimension not quite in synch with reality

[Uninen]

A War Crime Or An Act of War?

Who really gassed the Kurds?

(also a link..) (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1148.htm)

The accusation that Iraq has used chemical weapons against its citizens is a familiar part of the debate. The piece of hard evidence most frequently brought up concerns the gassing of Iraqi Kurds at the town of Halabja in March 1988, near the end of the eight-year Iran-Iraq war. President Bush himself has cited Iraq's "gassing its own people," specifically at Halabja, as a reason to topple Saddam Hussein.

But the truth is, all we know for certain is that Kurds were bombarded with poison gas that day at Halabja. We cannot say with any certainty that Iraqi chemical weapons killed the Kurds. This is not the only distortion in the Halabja story.

I am in a position to know because, as the Central Intelligence Agency's senior political analyst on Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war, and as a professor at the Army War College from 1988 to 2000, I was privy to much of the classified material that flowed through Washington having to do with the Persian Gulf. In addition, I headed a 1991 Army investigation into how the Iraqis would fight a war against the United States; the classified version of the report went into great detail on the Halabja affair.

This much about the gassing at Halabja we undoubtedly know: it came about in the course of a battle between Iraqis and Iranians. Iraq used chemical weapons to try to kill Iranians who had seized the town, which is in northern Iraq not far from the Iranian border. The Kurdish civilians who died had the misfortune to be caught up in that exchange. But they were not Iraq's main target.

And the story gets murkier: immediately after the battle the United States Defense Intelligence Agency investigated and produced a classified report, which it circulated within the intelligence community on a need-to-know basis. That study asserted that it was Iranian gas that killed the Kurds, not Iraqi gas.

:roll:

Now,

What was that?

:roll:

[Jack Mehoff]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/images/icdc-200310293e.jpg

my point about the caps is that if you are trying to rebuild an islamic country you should try not to make the people working for you look so fvcking american, this is not a good way to win hearts and minds.

WTF?! hahahahahahaha. Yeah, those Iraqis look very "Americans" because they wear red caps rofl

[Jack Mehoff]

A War Crime Or An Act of War?

Who really gassed the Kurds?

(also a link..) (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1148.htm)

The accusation that Iraq has used chemical weapons against its citizens is a familiar part of the debate. The piece of hard evidence most frequently brought up concerns the gassing of Iraqi Kurds at the town of Halabja in March 1988, near the end of the eight-year Iran-Iraq war. President Bush himself has cited Iraq's "gassing its own people," specifically at Halabja, as a reason to topple Saddam Hussein.

But the truth is, all we know for certain is that Kurds were bombarded with poison gas that day at Halabja. We cannot say with any certainty that Iraqi chemical weapons killed the Kurds. This is not the only distortion in the Halabja story.

I am in a position to know because, as the Central Intelligence Agency's senior political analyst on Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war, and as a professor at the Army War College from 1988 to 2000, I was privy to much of the classified material that flowed through Washington having to do with the Persian Gulf. In addition, I headed a 1991 Army investigation into how the Iraqis would fight a war against the United States; the classified version of the report went into great detail on the Halabja affair.

This much about the gassing at Halabja we undoubtedly know: it came about in the course of a battle between Iraqis and Iranians. Iraq used chemical weapons to try to kill Iranians who had seized the town, which is in northern Iraq not far from the Iranian border. The Kurdish civilians who died had the misfortune to be caught up in that exchange. But they were not Iraq's main target.

And the story gets murkier: immediately after the battle the United States Defense Intelligence Agency investigated and produced a classified report, which it circulated within the intelligence community on a need-to-know basis. That study asserted that it was Iranian gas that killed the Kurds, not Iraqi gas.

:roll:

Now,

What was that?

:roll:

Instead of copy and paste from the Taliban network. Perhaps you should show us a link

[Uninen]

Link is in that RED TEXT..

rofl

Also,

I dont go to any 'Taleban network'.

I hate those ****s, especially KAVKAZ..

:fork:

[One?]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/images/icdc-200310293e.jpg

my point about the caps is that if you are trying to rebuild an islamic country you should try not to make the people working for you look so fvcking american, this is not a good way to win hearts and minds.

ya because in arab countries they don't know what caps are, and they haven't worn them.

[TALOS]

Uninen, I will apologize for the dimension comment then.

I see you had a report to support your assertions for THAT town.
I however would like to mention that just like all the left wing conspiracy theories, Stephen says that someone raised the possibiliy that the Iranians did, however even he stated that they didnt know for sure.
There are actual videos showing the use of gas by Iraqi troops and now of course I am goin to have to scour the net to find them myself but I have seen them on a human rights program about 10 years ago.

[Marxist203]

No i havent,

(I have no 'meds' and no need for ones.. also thanks for the insult.. :fork: )

And they are traitors.

They work with the occupier..

They are nothing more than those guys working with Nazis in occupied nations.

:roll:

I ask you..

WOULD YOU WORK WITH OCCUPIER IF YOUR NATION WAS INVADED?

It think not.. at least, i wouldnt..

:|

Well, I think your idea of a traitor is pretty skewed. Yes they are working for the occupier, but you know what...its for a damn good reason. They want to restore order to their country, can you blame them?

[Jack Mehoff]

The ONLY way U.S. military leave Iraq is when Iraq has their own army and their own government. No freaking way U.S. abandon Iraq and let the Sunni and Shiite going at it for a civil war.

[One?]

The ONLY way U.S. military leave Iraq is when Iraq has their own army and their own government. No freaking way U.S. abandon Iraq and let the Sunni and Shiite going at it for a civil war.

its more like: arabs vs kurds war. The kurds want to have their own country not sunnis/shia

[Uninen]

Iraq:

Kurds - want their 'nation'.

Shiite - wants to join Iran.

Sunni - wants to keep Iraq together.

Btw,

Saddam was Sunni, and that was also his goal..

:|

[Seiyuuki]

Two simple questions for Uninen...

Did you live in Iraq under Saddam Hussein?
Are you living in Iraq now?

[Uninen]

Seiyuuki,

I think you already know the answer..

But neither did you..

:roll:

[One?]

Iraq:

Kurds - want their 'nation'.

Shiite - wants to join Iran.

Sunni - wants to keep Iraq together.

Btw,

Saddam was Sunni, and that was also his goal..

:|

before Iran's revolution Iraq was the place where all shias went to study (to become clerics). So no they don't want to join Iran and not all shias like Iran. Neither sunni nor shia want to have their own country, but outside forces do want to split iraq up into 3 tiny countries.

[mack]

..

[fdt]

[quote="Uninen"]Well,

Im not from post communist country..

Im from the only nation from Europe that has resisted and been victorious against every communist take over attemp in history, including ww2, when we were only 'Axis' nation that wasnt occupied at anypoint.

Well, at least You can teach us smth about Quisling type government and collaboration with agressor. Have You already forgotten of Arvo Tuominen and Yrjö Leino? What did Paaskivi and Kekkonen after 1944? Did they mount an active anti-communist and anti-russian policy to regain territories taken out from Finland in 1940? Would You? Nope, they have organized a govt strongly infiltrated by soviet collaborators to avoid the russian occupation and to wait foir the turn in history... Finland was given a chance to avoid the occupation while many other countries didn't. Finland was small and insignificant so it was an ideal material to build the narrow and soviet controlled bridge from Russia to West. Condition was to have a Soviet "friendly" government. Simple trade You do what "big brother" wants... in exchange "big brother" won't invade You and will give You a semi-independent status. If any other country would be presented with such an option after 1945 it would do the same... but they weren't. You had a chance to avoid "soviet visitors" and Your "traitors" took it despite it was at first glance a treachery.
Instead of talking of patriotism and treachery... ask Your grandparents how it was in Your country, how much pride had Finnish to swallow then.

[Seiyuuki]

Seiyuuki,

I think you already know the answer..

But neither did you..

:roll:

...I don't go around spreaking as a Representative of Iraq, "Saddam also wasnt half as bad as you are led to belive...All the 'innocents' he killed usually were of some rebel/terrorist group..."

[Hannu_K2]

:cantbeli:

1. Im not 15 or 17.

2. Im not anti-social

3. Im not misguided, YOU ARE.

4. German people chosed A.Hitler in DEMOCRATIC VOTE.

(note: He didnt even CHEAT IN THE VOTE LIKE G.W did..)

5. US military has KILLED AT LEAST 10 000 IRAQI CIVILIANS DURING YEAR 2003 and MORE THAN MILLION BEFORE, ALSO I SUSPECT THAT THIS FIGURE OF 10 000 IS BULL**** LIKE EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING YOU PEOPLE SAY / CLAIM.

(even your EMBARGOS AGAINST IRAQ COST LIFES OF THAT MILLION AND MAYBE EVEN MORE..)

Have a nice day PUNKS.

As you dont have a clue.

:fork:

Regarding your posts here I would say you are 15 years old.

And I suspect that "10000" number. To kill that many civilians in 31 days you need to use mass bombardmends. Few cruise missiles here and there wont do the trick unless you blast stadiums full of people.

How did US Military kill millions of Iraq people? Could you enlight me please..

Btw. first post here hootyhoo.:)