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Hoverhind
03-07-2012, 06:33 PM
The article doesn't state that we will upgrade our existing 8 (out of 10 currently operational) MiG-21s but only 4 and add another 4 to these. This means that we won't be operating 14-16 fighters but only 8, a number that is far too low.

Keep in mind that Krešimir Žabec wrote it. I'm a pilot and a colleague of mine, who is good friends with a few of our veteran fighter pilots, told me that the Air Force is pushing for the MiG option. The plan is to buy 8 MiG-21s and bring them to bisD standard and to extend the service life of our own surviving MiGs, giving us 18 fighters.

Mikojan
03-08-2012, 11:25 AM
It may sound a bit nuts but I sent a brief message to our President yesterday via Facebook stressing the need to maintain our fighter squadron in the future. As always, I did not expect a response, but to my astonishment, he answered in less than 3 hours and said (and I quote in English):

Dear Sir, XY,
I assure you that we will do our outmost best given the current circumstances. However, regardless of the final outcome, we will not lose our ability to independently defend our airspace.
Sincerely, Ivo Josipović

If this does not mean that our AF won't lose its fighter squadron(s), I don't know what does!

Hoverhind
03-09-2012, 03:38 PM
I agree, if the Commander-in-Chief said we'll retain fighters even if they have to be MiG-21s, then we will.

Anyway, here's another interesting article from Jutarnji list:

http://www.jutarnji.hr/kotromanovic-ostro-napao-vip-i-t-com--vise-nece-besplatno-koristiti-morh-ove-releje--nismo-idioti-/1012873/

Basically, Kotromanović said in a radio interview that he will no longer tollerate cell service providers using MoD's relays free of charge the way they have done for the past 15 years. He also said that landline contracts will be given to other service providers who will give a better deal.

Looks like he is every bit the man we all hoped him to be. Good job minister!

SATNIK
03-09-2012, 06:20 PM
Interesting pic on this article about DD factory,looks like original article is from Vjesnik 22.02.2012. but to bad I can find it,maybe it has some better,bigger pic but i doubt it.

some work is being done on the tanks, dont know how old the pic is, here: http://www.militarium.eu/article.aspx?ID=7773

Mikojan
03-10-2012, 08:00 AM
The pic is 3-4 years old, it's definitely not of recent date. So far, 6-8 tanks have been modified to the M-84D standard. Full rate modernization is expected to start in 2013 once all Patrias have been produced. This programme will last till 2015 and will be far less expensive than the Patria acquisition. Once all tanks are modernized, a new batch of Patrias is expected but this has not been firmly decided on.

fiorellabel
03-12-2012, 08:45 AM
The pic is 3-4 years old, it's definitely not of recent date. So far, 6-8 tanks have been modified to the M-84D standard. Full rate modernization is expected to start in 2013 once all Patrias have been produced. This programme will last till 2015 and will be far less expensive than the Patria acquisition. Once all tanks are modernized, a new batch of Patrias is expected but this has not been firmly decided on.

Well, this is finally a good news!
Posponing again tank modernization would have put the whole programme in yeopardy, as they would risk obsolescency as time go on, and insteadfuture new batch of Patrias would be still ready for M-80 substitution.
There would be also time to select a 30mm turret for them, istall and after it mix-match them with veicles of first batch or also get time to evaluate possible (tracked) alternatives.
In the end, however the ultimate gain of well balanced,flexible Army would be achieved while another timetable would have put it at risk.

SATNIK
03-12-2012, 06:47 PM
Mikojan tnx for the info, to bad for that pic is not recent one, and for the count of 6-8 modernized tanks, ohhh wow that will be a great pic to see.Lets hope to see all the new tanks one day...

http://i42.*******.com/28tba61.jpgMill H-229 in action.


http://i43.*******.com/34j7hpv.jpg156 soliders finished their specialist training in Infantry Regiment

maxo100
03-12-2012, 10:53 PM
Some old but good pics.........

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n83/Dan12345_2006/M84_09_v1.jpg

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n83/Dan12345_2006/4gg87b8.jpg

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http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n83/Dan12345_2006/2ccxi5t.jpg

Hoverhind
03-13-2012, 05:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GC6a3BRTJw&feature=colike

Tribute to the recently closed down Pula Air Force Base and its 22nd Fighter Squadron.

Hoverhind
03-15-2012, 02:05 PM
A lot of changes, some good, some bad.

The draft is here:
http://www.morh.hr/index2.php?option=com_flippingbook&view=book&id=12

The short version is this:

Army
Two Guards Brigade remain
Infantry Regiment will be transformed into Infantry Training Center
M-84s and M-80s to remain operational untill at least 2020
M-84s to be modernised after 2016
To be able to deploy a motorized battalion of Patria AMVs for 6 months on short notice

Navy
Coast Guard to have priority for the first half of the plan with building of patrol vessels as soon as possible.
Helsinki and Kralj class missile boats to remain in service
RBS-15s to be withdrawn from service and replaced with another missile system.
Marine Battalion will be disbanded.
To be able to deploy according to capabilities

Air Force
MiG-21s to remain in service for a limited time, to be replaced by a combat aircraft whos primary mission would be air policing.
Strategic transport capability will not be developed.
An-32s will be withdrawn from service and no replacements will be considered untill 2020.
Paratroop training and light transport capability will be created with acqusition of light transport aircraft.
Number of PC-9s will be reduced.
To be able to deploy 8 Mi-171s for mid-term and 4 helos for long term operations

General Staff
ELINT center and Military Intel Battalion will be merged into a battalion sized unit
All Military Police units will be transffered to a newly established unit subordinate to the General Staff.
Honor Guard Battalion and Special Operations Battalion will remain the same.
Cyberwarfare capability will be established in newly formed Center for Communications and Informations Systems, to be created by elements of Communications Regiment and MoD's Communications and IT service.

Armed Forces to be cut to 15,000 men.

Special Operations Battalion also conducted a demonstration exercise

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Hoverhind
03-15-2012, 02:40 PM
More photos, from Jutarnji list:

http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/6374/losinjkovcanje59473166s.jpg

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maxo100
03-15-2012, 03:22 PM
http://www.rtl.hr/vijesti/novosti/305492/pogledajte-spektakularnu-akcija-hrvatskih-tuljana/ (http://www.rtl.hr/vijesti/novosti/305492/pogledajte-spektakularnu-akcija-hrvatskih-tuljana/)

Video more photos

sarac1972
03-15-2012, 03:51 PM
[QUOTE=Hoverhind;6081897]A lot of changes, some good, some bad.

The draft is here:
http://www.morh.hr/index2.php?option=com_flippingbook&view=book&id=12

What is exactly good changes in all of this?:(

Gentius
03-15-2012, 04:34 PM
Nice looking pics, thanks for sharing.

Hoverhind
03-15-2012, 04:40 PM
The fact that Guards brigades haven't been cut, the Navy will be getting new ships and missiles, and the Air Force is preparing to accomodate new fighters. Retiring An-32s and reducing number of PC-9s will lower expenses and allow some room for a new fighter, or a few more MiG-21s as stop-gap. Also, light transports, of which PC-12s have been mentioned, are also needed.

Mikojan
03-15-2012, 04:54 PM
Yes.... but it says that the new anti-ship missiles will be "considered" after the retirement of the RBS-15 missiles, and judging by our political decisions so far.... these "substitute" systems might never arrive.

SATNIK
03-15-2012, 06:19 PM
Jeez what a retards
nice plan I mean this are my favorite ones:
This is a decision we have been waiting for HRZ :
Kad je riječ o Hrvatskome ratnom zrakoplovstvu (HRZ), u borbenoj upotrebi ostat će zrakoplovi MIG 21 do odluke o nabavi novih ili rabljenih zrakoplova ili o mogućem servisiranju tih zrakoplova.
When it comes to the Croatian Air Force (Air Farce), the use of combat will remain MiG 21 to the decision on procurement of new or used aircraft or on the possible servicing of aircraft.

NOT A THING This just great I dont now who gives them a salary for that, they should retire them self first.

"SPO navodi da se Hrvatska ne suočava ni sada ni u sagledivom razdoblju s prijetnjom izravne oružane agresije na svoj teritorij."
The SPO stated that Croatia is not facing any now or in the foreseeable future with the threat of direct armed aggression on its territory.

WoW NICE PLAN RETARDS.

"Težišni napori obrambenog sustava su sigurnost i učinkovitost OS RH u operacijama i misijama, puna integracija u NATO i EU, razvoj potrebnih i priuštivih sposobnosti i obrambena suradnja sa zemljama regije."
The major efforts of the defense system of the safety and effectiveness of Armed Forces in operations and missions, full integration into NATO and the EU, development of necessary and affordable capabilities and defense cooperation with the countries of the region.
ISUSE KRISTE. Lets again train together happy JNA family.

And new substitute misseles sistem will be maljutka who needs RBS now NOTO will fight for us..

SORRY BUT IM PISSED TO MUCH.
And the pics of training are so retarded that I dont have the words, now some one has bunch of G36 with out sights on them or what is the dill here.. ridiculous.
And nice sun glasses for Our top special forces..jeezz.the main thing is that the minister has a 5.11 Tactical.

smileys
03-15-2012, 06:22 PM
nice pics..

Gvozdansko 1578.
03-15-2012, 07:07 PM
Jeez what a retards
nice plan I mean this I my favorite ones:
This is a decision we have been waiting for HRZ :
Kad je riječ o Hrvatskome ratnom zrakoplovstvu (HRZ), u borbenoj upotrebi ostat će zrakoplovi MIG 21 do odluke o nabavi novih ili rabljenih zrakoplova ili o mogućem servisiranju tih zrakoplova.
When it comes to the Croatian Air Force (Air Farce), the use of combat will remain MiG 21 to the decision on procurement of new or used aircraft or on the possible servicing of aircraft.
NOT A THING This just great I dont now who gives them a salary for that, they should retire them self first.

"SPO navodi da se Hrvatska ne suočava ni sada ni u sagledivom razdoblju s prijetnjom izravne oružane agresije na svoj teritorij."
The SPO stated that Croatia is not facing any now or in the foreseeable future with the threat of direct armed aggression on its territory.
WoW NICE PLAN RETARDS.
"Težišni napori obrambenog sustava su sigurnost i učinkovitost OS RH u operacijama i misijama, puna integracija u NATO i EU, razvoj potrebnih i priuštivih sposobnosti i obrambena suradnja sa zemljama regije."
The major efforts of the defense system of the safety and effectiveness of Armed Forces in operations and missions, full integration into NATO and the EU, development of necessary and affordable capabilities and defense cooperation with the countries of the region.
ISUSE KRISTE. Lets again train together happy JNA family.

And new misseles sistem will be maljutka who needs RBS now NOTO will fight for us..
SORRY BUT IM PISSED TO MUCH.
And the pics of training are so retarded that I dont have the words, now some one has bunch of G36 with out sights on them or what is the dill here.. ridiculous.
And nice sun glasses for Our top special forces..jeezz.the main thing is that the minister has a 5.11 Tactical.
Satnik, potpis na ovo. Sign on this.
This is strategic defense review aiming to produce toothless expeditionary force posing to be Croatian Armed Forces but with what:
- air force focused on helicopter component for usage in abroad missions + flying firemen. If and when new fighters are procured those will be toothless just as army in general
- ground force also focused on abroad missions with obsolete IFVs and tanks whose upgrade will maybe take place in 4-5 years. Nuff said that our ground force has not obtained modern SAW, it ranges from PKT to Ultimax :roll: all 20+ years old. Slovenian ground army is at the present more modern than ours.
- oh yes, toothless navy which has obviously lost any ambition to be dominant NATO force on eastern coast of Adriatic and Ionian sea. With RBS written off - don't anyone be holding his breath and waiting for new missiles (well that would be possible with some well contracted Grippen offset but honestly... those dimwits in charge of national defense are waaaay beneath such thinking)
- that material in almost every sentence speaks "allies this, allies that..." and talking about countries from region... whose armed forces (with exception of Serbia) are even in deeper s___ than ours

Well, like country like army. Croatia in last decade is gradually self-cancelling its statehood features and so are armed forces.
They've should rename OSRH to HRVCON and send them all abroad, then sell barracks and bases to some shopping mall.

Oh yeah, it smells like 1918. again, only instead of drunk geese we now have winged monkeys (Wizard of OZ style) flying thru fog...

Hoverhind
03-15-2012, 07:27 PM
We all wish for a SPO that states requirements for another 60-80 new MBTs, 2-3 corvettes, new fighters and attack helicopters, less missions and more homeland defense.

But we have to make do with what we've got, and this plan makes the best out of a bad situation. If MiGs are all we'll have for next 5 years and if the price for another 3-4 of them is An-32 withdrawl, then so be it. Same with cutting a few PC-9s.

RBS-15s will be replaced with new missiles. As SPO states, missile boats will continue to serve in conventional naval combat roles, something that can't be done with their 57mm guns, therefore missiles are a must. Otherwise they'd just be converted to patrol ships and new patrol ships wouldn't be needed. No doubt a few people tried to push that through, but luckily failed.

Ex-Yu cooperation is not the military's fault, but of our C-in-C and government. The military can't make them change their minds.

Personally, the demo is the best conducted and covered exercise of this type in years. The fact that the media decided to focus on real estate value of the base instead on our special forces is out of the military's hands. And ZF sights seem to fit VHSs pretty well. I'm glad that a new batch of rifles was ordered too.

Also, note that a new and critical capability will be introduced: Cyberwarfare.

Gvozdansko 1578.
03-15-2012, 07:51 PM
We all wish for a SPO that states requirements for another 60-80 new MBTs, 2-3 corvettes, new fighters and attack helicopters, less missions and more homeland defense.

But we have to make do with what we've got, and this plan makes the best out of a bad situation. If MiGs are all we'll have for next 5 years and if the price for another 3-4 of them is An-32 withdrawl, then so be it. Same with cutting a few PC-9s.
An-32, no crying for them, instead there could be agreement wiht for example Slovenia in joint venture of transport aircraft.
Hardly new fighters will be MiG 21.



RBS-15s will be replaced with new missiles. As SPO states, missile boats will continue to serve in conventional naval combat roles, something that can't be done with their 57mm guns, therefore missiles are a must. Otherwise they'd just be converted to patrol ships and new patrol ships wouldn't be needed. No doubt a few people tried to push that through, but luckily failed.
How do you expect that same people (no matter what party they're from) incapable of upgrading RBS-15 in full 20 years since their capture from JNA will be able to buy new ones? Document states big maybe regarding that.


Ex-Yu cooperation is not the military's fault, but of our C-in-C and government. The military can't make them change their minds.
Ex-YU cooperation is not a problem by itself. Problem starts when such cooperation is incorporated in national defense.

Still many of you on this thread are die hard optimists - but reading Croatian forums where people that are more into system write - you can only see the deterioration of something that 15 years ago had potential to be a decent army.

Today - Croatia has no anti-aerial defense, no real navy, no real coast guard, no real transport air force, no submarine component, no real anti-tank systems, no real artillery. What is still left are aging M84 tanks and the state they're in is questionable.

Missions and future multinational battle-groups will be the only reason that OSRH still exists. They don't even try to hide it.

Of course - if future proofs me wrong - no one will be happier than me.
Till then I remain bitterly sceptical.

SATNIK
03-16-2012, 01:35 PM
Gvozdansko 2012. Sign on yours to . Sad but true every word .

The main MoD plan for defense is: to written off this,will be decommissioned that,reduce the number of it,and that is the main plan until 2020 is self canceling army.And than 2020 is some magical year when all the new weapon systems will be bought to replace what we had so far.
I mean they have no shame at all: Kako bi se osigurala učinkovita provedba misija i zadaća u pretstojećem razdoblju ali i nakon 2020 potrebno je uravnoteženo razvijati materijalnu sastavnicu vojnih sposobnosti te se usmjeriti na: 1. Otpis i povlaćenje iz operativne upotrebe materijalnih sredstava i opreme koja nije u izravnoj funkciji održavanja i razvoja ciljanih sposobnosti. ----To ensure effective implementation of the mission and tasks of the Fixtures period and after 2020 it is necessary to develop a material component of a balanced military capability and focus on: 1 Write-offs and withdrawal from operational use of material resources and equipment that is not directly used in the maintenance and development of targeted skills.

They did not plan not a single part to say lets npr. modernize Mi117 with FLIR lets modernize PC9 for Coast Guard and get more use from them. NO that it is not affordable for the plan monkeys.Its better for the pilot to take pictures by hand held cammera during the day and when its dark we will just call out the SAR.

More plans:Posebna pozornost usmjerena je na elemente sustava dugoročnog planiranja nabave glavnih oružanih sustava.----Special attention is focused on the elements of long-term planning of procurement of major weapons systems.

How about a short-therm plan(plan monkeys) and buy a light and heavy machine gun finally, and whan you are so busy with the plan make sure to buy sights for them and not just take them off from perfectly good G36. and put them instead.

Hoverhind: Nobody expects 50-60 new tanks, etc.But 1. home made OPV and 2,3 IPV are not such a big dill in a term lets say 4 years.I only expect that they only stop destroying the Armed Forces and what little is left of HV till now.
Cyberwarfere haha they cant upload 5 pics on the OSRH web page for a week you expect they do Cyberwarfere. What a optimist You are.

The crisis can not be an excuse for jeopardizing national security !

If we look to the Croatian budgets each year increases and civil societies(BABE,GONG,ISKORAK KONTRA, K PALAC) from the budget is given 7.5 billion this year allmost tweice as Croatian Armed Forces and only this year they got 250 mill kuna increase more.
Then we have to ask WHY not We may send them to international missions.

At the end let quote the T.B.F. " Ke Kretini ke Ibecili..As ti Gospe"

Hoverhind
03-16-2012, 02:42 PM
I agree with most of what you wrote SATNIK.

50-60 new tanks were an example, one that I would like to see. The plan states OPVs and IPVs will be built starting next year, because Coast Guard will have priority until those ships are built, and then focus will shift to Navy.
PR and Cyberwarfare are as different as politicians are from the military, and that is a capability that can easily become vital.

Gvozdansko 1578.
03-16-2012, 06:31 PM
Cyberwarfere haha they cant upload 5 pics on the OSRH web page for a week you expect they do Cyberwarfere. What a optimist You are.
Cyberwarfare :lol:
Probably because Anonymous have recently hacked President's website twice after his support for ACTA..



If we look to the Croatian budgets each year increases and civil societies(BABE,GONG,ISKORAK KONTRA, K PALAC) from the budget is given 7.5 billion this year allmost tweice as Croatian Armed Forces and only this year they got 250 mill kuna increase more.

Police i.e. Ministry of interior has higher budget than Armed Forces.
And.. maybe this (http://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=38505845&postcount=7982)is the proper answer why monkeys in the fog act like they do

Gvozdansko 1578.
03-17-2012, 04:53 PM
http://www.vjesnik.hr/Article.aspx?ID=0DF14BEF-159B-4898-B96D-6CDFF5A931B3


One of the participants of the meeting revealed to Vjesnik that the Ministry still do not know how much it would cost if Croatia decides to pay the control of its sky to members of NATO alliance.

On the other hand, the defense minister Kotromanović announces that national Council of defense will this year certainly cut the Gordian knot, and made ​​so many times postponed decision on the future of Croatian Air Force fighter component.
OMG, they still don't have a clue...
I will quote part of post from one Croatian forum:

We will be the world class vanguard -113 000 km2 of land and sea with no army, because this what will remain after they dump everything they intent to, has nothing to do with the army, it reminds of some banana-militia in Africa.

Gvozdansko 1578.
03-18-2012, 12:12 PM
http://www.jutarnji.hr/multimedia/dynamic/00347/agoti__imra_347965S1.jpg
On behalf of grateful nation - Imra Agotić (12th January 1943 - 18th March 2012), Croatian Air Force general (retired), first commanding officer of HRZ.

Piggy
03-18-2012, 12:41 PM
@SATNIK
Let me answer you regarding disarmament process; It is widespread in Western hemisphere, you are also part of it. About your question: Then we have to ask WHY not We may send them to international missions., I am pleased to give you this answer: I am happy to see that Croatia does not condone or in any other way supports crimes against humanity, since sending such personnel to crisis region could be considered as one. Imagine Talibuns begging and pleading to call those people off. Just a joke (or maybee not entirely...).

Gvozdansko 1578.
03-18-2012, 01:47 PM
@SATNIK
Let me answer you regarding disarmament process; It is widespread in Western hemisphere, you are also part of it.
Cutting military expenses is widespread process in the West, disarmament would be invitation to some other parts of the world that are currently investing in its weapons array: come and get us.

But, you've indirectly given the answer about allied air-policing over Croatia: hardly anyone will be prepared to perform it without abundant compensation of incurred costs. So if those in MORH are not in complete feud with sane reasoning - they will calculate that having your own is in the end cheaper than leasing from someone else


About your question: Then we have to ask WHY not We may send them to international missions., I am pleased to give you this answer: I am happy to see that Croatia does not condone or in any other way supports crimes against humanity, since sending such personnel to crisis region could be considered as one. Imagine Talibuns begging and pleading to call those people off. Just a joke (or maybee not entirely...).
:lol:
Yeah, you've got that one right.

No one here has a problem with abroad missions or multinational units per se.
Problem is that OSRH have become over-focused on that segment of its activity, directing all resources there with negligence on domestic issues in the same time.

fiorellabel
03-18-2012, 07:40 PM
On that Gvozdansko is right, fact is that from documents it seems they are willing to further implements numbers of personnel sent overland.
Three or four years ago such a focus would have been justified. Now also Americans are pulling themselves off , both in A-stan, both worlwide so it seems they want to implement capabilities no one really want anymore.

On more general term it seems they are cutting anything still related to the idea of wartime mass mobilitation:the infantry regiment would be trasformed in a training center, the artillery one would be disbanded, Vojna Policja would be put under the HQ, good for them as are officially upgraded to SF, like they fully deserve, but it would also mean they wouldn't anymore help in mobilitation effort.
It is certainly inevitable and in line with professionalization, but the more you are forced to renounce to those asset, the more you have to keep your force well balanced and ready to contrast every possible scenario as you can't call in reinforcements to close the capability gap with sheer number.

fiorellabel
03-19-2012, 07:50 AM
A ray of hope coming from Defender.hr:
http://www.defender.hr/republika-hrvatska/oruzane-snage/morh-za-potrebe-specijalnih-postrojbi-nabavlja-zrakoplov-pilatus-pc-12.php

and for what we are talking about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilatus_PC-12

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TomT
03-19-2012, 09:27 AM
A ray of hope coming from Defender.hr:
http://www.defender.hr/republika-hrvatska/oruzane-snage/morh-za-potrebe-specijalnih-postrojbi-nabavlja-zrakoplov-pilatus-pc-12.php

and for what we are talking about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilatus_PC-12


Good news, I hope there will be more than one plane, for SF and surveillance operations. Better than for VIP transport.

Gvozdansko 1578.
03-19-2012, 03:43 PM
Good news, I hope there will be more than one plane, for SF and surveillance operations. Better than for VIP transport.
This is Spectre version, one that OSRH will buy according to this article.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ur4hnBNmcSY/TLGF8ueInvI/AAAAAAAABZ0/ZUdabvDmFgE/s1600/214.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ur4hnBNmcSY/TUpyjbwZ86I/AAAAAAAABzU/bnwXnW1ULiA/s1600/3111.jpg

USAF colors, nice :)

Another news from Defender portal:
http://www.defender.hr/republika-hrvatska/oruzane-snage/hrvatska-vojska-se-povlaci-sa-kosova-na-proljece-2013.php
Well, in 2013. there will be extra 10 million kunas hopefully for domestic usage.

Mikojan
03-19-2012, 06:01 PM
One PC-12 with a payload of 1,500kg as a replacement for 2 An-32BV with a payload of nearly 14,000kg.... a decent switch! :/

Btw.... according to www.defender.hr, we will maintain +20 RBS-15 operational until the end of their service lifes (probably until 2018-2019) but do you really think we will replace them with something new seen as this was stated in the recent document. I'm asking this because everytime there was a "maybe" in our official defence plans, that "maybe" became "nothing".

Hoverhind
03-19-2012, 07:24 PM
Its possible more than one PC-12 will be acquired. The engine is the same as PC-9, which will significantly reduce logistical burden associated with introducing a new aircraft type. After 2020 replacements for An-32s will be considered and probably ordered, economy permitting.

RBS-15s are being withdrawn because no required upgrades were ever done, and the ones still fully operational will be retained as long as possible. Personally, I'd love to see the write-offs launched in an exercise.
However, its again a matter of funds. If they were available, new missiles would be bought and once the budget allows, they will be.
That's why the Navy will retain RTOPs for "traditional naval roles". If there was no plans to buy new missiles at some point, RTOPs would be reconfigured into patrol vessels. That certainly won't happen because dedicated patrol ships will be built starting next year.

fiorellabel
03-19-2012, 07:34 PM
One PC-12 with a payload of 1,500kg as a replacement for 2 An-32BV with a payload of nearly 14,000kg.... a decent switch! :/

Btw.... according to www.defender.hr (http://www.defender.hr), we will maintain +20 RBS-15 operational until the end of their service lifes (probably until 2018-2019) but do you really think we will replace them with something new seen as this was stated in the recent document. I'm asking this because everytime there was a "maybe" in our official defence plans, that "maybe" became "nothing".
They are not direct replacement, Pc-12 would be used for paratroop launch , not for transport.

maxo100
03-19-2012, 11:23 PM
They are not direct replacement, Pc-12 would be used for paratroop launch , not for transport.


To 2020. change will be at least two governments, and perhaps as many strategic plans, and here in Croatia, is the political rule " the former government did not worth anything", so I think that AN-32 will remain in service for long years of and will probably get a replacement.

Hoverhind
03-20-2012, 06:10 PM
A commemoration was held today at the House of the Croatian Armed Forces "Zvonimir" in honor of the late General Imra Agotić. Many came to pay their respects, including the Commander-in-Chief Ivo Josipović, Chief of the General Staff General Drago Lovrić, Defense Minister Ante Kotromoanović and many others.

President Josipović said that General Agotić's role in the establishment of modern Armed Forces and the Croatian Air Force and its fighter component is immeasurable.

General Lovrić spoke of General Agotić's great courage and honor, adding: "General Agotić always believed that one can never give too much for Croatia... He was a good man and a great man, and we looked up to him."

"Croatian Air Force aircraft will always remind us of his achievements whenever they fly through Croatian skies."

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5005/komemoracijaagotic20032.jpg

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5005/komemoracijaagotic20032.jpg

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5005/komemoracijaagotic20032.jpg

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5005/komemoracijaagotic20032.jpg

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/5005/komemoracijaagotic20032.jpg

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/5005/komemoracijaagotic20032.jpg

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5005/komemoracijaagotic20032.jpg

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5005/komemoracijaagotic20032.jpg

This sad occasion also created a ray of hope. In his speech, Defense Minister vowed to Imra Agotić that Croatian Air Force will not loose its capabilities, including the one Imra fought for hardest, the fighter component.

http://www.morh.hr/hr/vijesti-najave-i-priopcenja/priopcenje/komemoracija-povodom-smrti-generala-agotica.html

Neka mu je vječna slava i hvala.

Gvozdansko 1578.
03-20-2012, 06:15 PM
One PC-12 with a payload of 1,500kg as a replacement for 2 An-32BV with a payload of nearly 14,000kg.... a decent switch! :/

Btw.... according to www.defender.hr (http://www.defender.hr), we will maintain +20 RBS-15 operational until the end of their service lifes (probably until 2018-2019) but do you really think we will replace them with something new seen as this was stated in the recent document. I'm asking this because everytime there was a "maybe" in our official defence plans, that "maybe" became "nothing".
http://www.defender.hr/republika-hrvatska/vojna-industrija/opstanak-vojnog-programa-u-ddsv-mora-biti-strateski-interes-hrvatske-drzave.php


Hrvatska vojska je u posljednjih deset godina ogoljena do kože, a ništa bolje joj se ne piše niti u idućih deset godina, sve pod izlikom mjera štednje i kolektivne obrane u sklopu NATO saveza. Ozbiljniji vojnoindustrijski kompleks ne postoji, a jedino čime se Hrvatska može pohvaliti jest osobna oprema vojnika domaće proizvodnje.Hrvatska jednostavno ne može ostati bez kapaciteta proizvodnje vojnih gusjeničara i točkaša.
Even DDSV is in jeopardy, and quoted sentence from the article states enough:

Croatian army in last decade has been *****ped to the bone, and nothing better is in sight for the next ten years, all under excuse of cutback measures and NATO collective i.e. smart defense. Serious military industry complex does not exist, and all that Croatia has to show for is domestically produced soldier's personal equipment. Croatia simply can not loose the capacity of producing wheeled and tracked military vehicles.
Also, another good article about recently proposed Strategic Review of Defense:
http://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/strucnjaci-hrvatska-se-nece-moci-braniti-bez-tude-pomoci-clanak-388567
Every reasonable expert, military leaders from Homeland war, ask same question:
How and why?
And answer lies here:

To je potpuno u skladu s onim što iz NATO-a Hrvatskoj već dugo predlažu; obučite do NATO-ove razine vojnike, osposobite i opremite 50 posto tih snaga za mirovne operacije u svijetu, uz to još imajte dvadesetak transportnih, ne borbenih helikoptera, od koji će 40 posto biti na raspolaganju za vanjske misije..., umrežite i vaše radare i... drugo vam ne treba, sada ste pod NATO-kišobranom.
translated:

Strategic Review of Defense is completely in accordance with proposals that Croatia gets from NATO for some time now: train soldiers to the NATO level, equip 50% of those forces for missions abroad, with that keep around 20 transport, not assault, helicopters of which 40% will be on disposal for foreign missions, create radar grid and.. no need for anything else, you are now under NATO umbrella.
Well, some people believed around 1900. or even 1912. that Austro-Hungary will last for decades to come...and we know how that ended.
Even in 1988. no one in Yugoslavia could foretell that three years later country will be falling apart in most brutal European war since 1945.

We live in era of dynamic history, Croatian peacetime is still underage (yes people, 17 yrs ago we were in war) - and we're reducing armed forces to source of mostly middle-aged peacekeepers.
Some on this thread are still optimists, but they will have a brutal wake up call.

Croatia currently has no ambition whatsoever as a country, no plan, no strategy and no goals.. it's just living one day after another.
That only reflects on the armed forces that could have been much more:
- navy capable of not only control of national waters but dominant role on the east side of Adriatic/Ionian sea
- air force that could be regional factor of security (since only other ex-YU country with supersonic fighters is still dedicated to no-NATO policy)
- compact ground force that will not renounce tanks, antiaircraft or any other component.

I will state here that current armed forces of Croatia would be in no shape of conducting actions like Maslenica (Gusar) or Medak.. not to mention large scale operations form 1995.
Apart from (kind of) fancy uniforms and helmets, there is nothing else to show for.

fiorellabel
03-20-2012, 08:39 PM
I understand your disappointment Gvozdansko, but I doesn't agree to most of your conclusion:
Croatian Navy lack not "dominant role on the east side of Adriatic/Ionian sea" that it really has now and would still have also with only 25 rbs-15, but precisely control of national waters against smuggling and illegal fishery so acquisition of patrol boat is absolutely correct.
It seems at the moment that some fighter would be acquired so that pert apparently goes smooth.
Problems is in strategical perspective: Croatia look forward overseas deployment when it has a Failed /Rogue state just south of river Sava.
Actually it is still calm but...
What would happen when to avoid bankrupt funding for former federation veterans would be cut?
When 80% Herzeg-croats would be elegible to have a Schengen croatian passport when they are actually second class citized in BiH?
What would happen when BiH would be denied EU membership because all parts of their costitution is an insult to all European values, while all other neighboring countries will be in?
It is probable that all of these scenarios would have place BEFORE 2020 and not, I don't think former ArBiH, Vrs, HOS and HVO members would be impressed by Hummers and PC-12.

Gvozdansko 1578.
03-22-2012, 04:33 AM
I understand your disappointment Gvozdansko, but I doesn't agree to most of your conclusion:
Croatian Navy lack not "dominant role on the east side of Adriatic/Ionian sea" that it really has now and would still have also with only 25 rbs-15, but precisely control of national waters against smuggling and illegal fishery so acquisition of patrol boat is absolutely correct.
It seems at the moment that some fighter would be acquired so that pert apparently goes smooth.
Problems is in strategical perspective: Croatia look forward overseas deployment when it has a Failed /Rogue state just south of river Sava.
Actually it is still calm but...
What would happen when to avoid bankrupt funding for former federation veterans would be cut?
When 80% Herzeg-croats would be elegible to have a Schengen croatian passport when they are actually second class citized in BiH?
What would happen when BiH would be denied EU membership because all parts of their costitution is an insult to all European values, while all other neighboring countries will be in?
It is probable that all of these scenarios would have place BEFORE 2020 and not, I don't think former ArBiH, Vrs, HOS and HVO members would be impressed by Hummers and PC-12.
Here we agree that BiH is a failed state as such, a mere protectorate of international community, country in which 2 out of 3 constitutional nations would gladly see its demise.

Problem in current Croatian leadership is Region-phanatism and painting the rather dark picture of it with bright colors. No need to explain what is understood by the term Region or Regija, former exYU countries + Albania (with ommited Slovenia, at least when EU in concerned, NATO puts Slovenia also in regional frame).
Of course, any form of violent conflict in BiH is now rather distant scenario, but all together The Region is far from picture that Croatia's president (raised in yugoslav spirit) imagines to be true.
No one wants overspending of national budget in military (like Greece did in past years) but Croatian leaders obviously don't understand what NATO membership really means.
It is not: now I'm under umbrella, I will spend some peanuts for the army, in case of any crisis NATO allies will come and defend me. Yeah, right.
It doesn't work that way.
And no one of neighboring NATO countries will rush into air-policing over Croatia without significant payments or compensations from our side.
Because no one wants to spend their resources over foreign country.

You really have to ask are Croatians capable of learning anything from expirience of three failed multinational integrations they were in in last 100 years. Or are we historically dyslexic? :roll:

Psycho☻
03-22-2012, 12:03 PM
Here we agree that BiH is a failed state as such, a mere protectorate of international community, country in which 2 out of 3 constitutional nations would gladly see its demise.

Problem in current Croatian leadership is Region-phanatism and painting the rather dark picture of it with bright colors. No need to explain what is understood by the term Region or Regija, former exYU countries + Albania (with ommited Slovenia, at least when EU in concerned, NATO puts Slovenia also in regional frame).
Of course, any form of violent conflict in BiH is now rather distant scenario, but all together The Region is far from picture that Croatia's president (raised in yugoslav spirit) imagines to be true.
No one wants overspending of national budget in military (like Greece did in past years) but Croatian leaders obviously don't understand what NATO membership really means.
It is not: now I'm under umbrella, I will spend some peanuts for the army, in case of any crisis NATO allies will come and defend me. Yeah, right.
It doesn't work that way.
And no one of neighboring NATO countries will rush into air-policing over Croatia without significant payments or compensations from our side.
Because no one wants to spend their resources over foreign country.

You really have to ask are Croatians capable of learning anything from expirience of three failed multinational integrations they were in in last 100 years. Or are we historically dyslexic? :roll:

I generally agree with you. I'd just add that Slovenia would pay NATO (Italy) for partial Air Policing (fighter component) only when irregular intervention is involved (so far happened once). Croatian media, though, claimed in the past that Slovenia pays Italy (although contract is betwen Slovenia-NATO and NATO-Italy) yearly app. 40 million EUR - but such statement was overruled by Slovenian MoD as it is not true. So when "big financial obligations" regarding NATO Air Policing are involved, I'd like to know what model your statements lie on.

EDIT: Slovenia looks forward with the current Air Policing solution, as well as the Baltic States (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/8/nato-extends-baltic-air-patrols/).

SATNIK
03-22-2012, 12:12 PM
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Can some one please I.D. the sniper rifle ?
http://i41.*******.com/2v1qm8h.jpg
Taking off top red dot sight for helicopter assault on the ship kills my every sense of tactical. BSD are so good that they dont use CQB sights.

. About fighter replacement and talks about 20 mil E for MiG 21 purchase and update its just a plain rip off of funds and corruption.I remember reading a article that a private collector bought MIG 21 bis in fly condition for 100 000 Dollars. I guess than the NATO radio and navigation cost 19 mil E like they are from Zagorec diamonds.
Now you can by MiG21 like scrap metal on kilograms but no for Croatia this will be the new fighter replacement for Air Farce.

Hoverhind
03-22-2012, 12:21 PM
I generally agree with you. I'd just add that Slovenia would pay NATO (Italy) for partial Air Policing (fighter component) only when irregular intervention is involved (so far happened once). Croatian media, though, claimed in the past that Slovenia pays Italy (although contract is betwen Slovenia-NATO and NATO-Italy) yearly app. four million EUR - but such statement was overruled by Slovenian MoD as it is not true. So when "big financial obligations" regarding NATO Air Policing are involved, I'd like to know what model your statements lie on.

AMI provides air policing to Slovenia from its own bases. Croatia is far larger than Slovenia and air policing would not be possible from any one country's home base. Italian or other NATO fighters would have to be permanently deployed to Croatia along with all support equipment and personnel, similar to Baltic Air Policing. Also, due to Croatia's complicated shape, a single fighter base is not enough and at least two QRA locations would have to be set up for complete coverage.

We'd be paying for all of that, and probably in the price range of maintaining our own fighters. Fortunately, fighter component will be kept, such as it is, and new fighters can realistically be expected in 7-10 years at best.

Hoverhind
03-22-2012, 06:19 PM
The President has finally made the decision regarding our fighter component, and decided to keep it. Half of our remaining MiGs will be sent to Aerostar for an overhaul and additional MiG-21s will be bought to bring the squadron to 12 aircraft.

New fighters will be ordered when economy improves.

http://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/hrvatska-zadrzava-avione-mig-ovi-opet-idu-remont-rumunjsku-clanak-390039

Gvozdansko 1578.
03-22-2012, 06:50 PM
The President has finally made the decision regarding our fighter component, and decided to keep it. Half of our remaining MiGs will be sent to Aerostar for an overhaul and additional MiG-21s will be bought to bring the squadron to 12 aircraft.

New fighters will be ordered when economy improves.

http://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/hrvatska-zadrzava-avione-mig-ovi-opet-idu-remont-rumunjsku-clanak-390039
Another one of "according to high source" articles.

Prije godinu dana delegacija ruskog proizvođača obavila je inspekciju hrvatske eskadrile i zaključila da je pola aviona za otpis. Vrlo je vjerojatno da će se remontirati opet u Rumunjskoj, i to u tvornici "Aerostar", kao i 2003. godine. Rumunjska remontira svojih stotinjak MiG-ova 21 Bis (Lancer), tako da HRZ brzo može nabaviti još nekoliko zrakoplova i formirati eskadrilu. Ona broji 12 zrakoplova, a vjerojatno je da će se RH odlučiti nabaviti osam jednosjeda i četiri dvosjeda, koji služe i za obuku pilota. To će stajati otprilike dvadeset milijuna eura, možda i manje.
From where will Croatia get new fighters? From Romania? Are they selling?
If you read this - you can get the picture that we're getting all 12 new (if new is the word to be used when Fishbeds are in question) fighters. With 10 operational MiGs of which 5 according to Russians are still to be counted with - that will make 17 planes..


Kaže da je najjednostavnije remont obaviti u Rumunjskoj, s kojom imamo iskustva i u devet godina s migovima koji su tamo remontirani nismo imali problema.
Seriously, no problems?
In 2009. near Karlovac parts were falling off from plane training for Armed Forces Day fly over...

Better old buckets than nothing, but having Mig 21s as a solution in 2012. just show how pauperized NATO member we are..
And all by our fault because OSRH are being neglected waaay before the effects of global crisis that is used as an excuse for defense underspending in last 4 years.

fiorellabel
03-22-2012, 07:00 PM
When I will have official confirmation I will open a botte of Champagne!

Huumh, oh well, maybe for Mig 21 a bottle of Bakarska Vodica would suffice.:grin:

fiorellabel
03-22-2012, 07:28 PM
Something I don't understand fully:
according to those article http://www.vjesnik.hr/Article.aspx?ID=9C8E3A88-E8C3-4B15-80C1-8B30692419FB of not-yellow newspaper Vjesnik, there will be also the presentation of a long range development plan following that unsadisfactory Stategical perspective document.
Hope a final word about fighters would come with it.

fiorellabel
03-22-2012, 07:48 PM
About the often misunderstood concept of "Smart defence" here a report of a visit of the commander of armed forces to Slovenia.
In this case words are about partecipation of croatian soldiers to mountain warfare training courses.

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Gvozdansko 1578.
03-22-2012, 07:52 PM
Something I don't understand fully:
according to those article http://www.vjesnik.hr/Article.aspx?ID=9C8E3A88-E8C3-4B15-80C1-8B30692419FB of not-yellow newspaper Vjesnik, there will be also the presentation of a long range development plan following that unsadisfactory Stategical perspective document.
Hope a final word about fighters would come with it.
As for tanks M-84 and BVP-80 that are mentioned.. well, BVP (IFC) could be replaced by Patrias in IFC configuration.
If existing tanks are not to be modernized to M84-D standard, perhaps small number of German Leos could be obtained afer 2016.

When you've mentioned RBS-15 as primary weapon of HRM that makes her No.1 force on the east side of whole coast north of Otranto, Grippen as plane capable of carrying those missiles would be very significant in sense of defense of Adriatic, even more than RTOPs themselves.

vodin
03-23-2012, 02:28 PM
Croatian Mig-21 for 21st. Century. Brave solution.

vodin
03-23-2012, 02:45 PM
Here we agree that BiH is a failed state as such, a mere protectorate of international community, country in which 2 out of 3 constitutional nations would gladly see its demise.

Problem in current Croatian leadership is Region-phanatism and painting the rather dark picture of it with bright colors. No need to explain what is understood by the term Region or Regija, former exYU countries + Albania (with ommited Slovenia, at least when EU in concerned, NATO puts Slovenia also in regional frame).
Which particular regional cooperation you have in mind. I do not know for such arrangement, when recently the regional Smart Defense agreement for Air defence agreed, Slovenia was not mentioned in such arangement.

Psycho☻
03-23-2012, 04:00 PM
About the often misunderstood concept of "Smart defence" here a report of a visit of the commander of armed forces to Slovenia.
In this case words are about partecipation of croatian soldiers to mountain warfare training courses.

175880

Chiefs of Staff were considering option of a "Smart Defence" solution regarding NBCD. They were also talking about future cooperation within Multinational Land Forces. Croatian military personnel already participate in some Centre of Excellence for Mountain Warfare courses and Croatia is interested in becomming a participating nation in the Centre.

http://www.slovenskavojska.si/odnosi-z-javnostjo/sporocila-za-javnost/novica/nov/brigadir-bozic-gostil-hrvaskega-kolega/

vodin
03-24-2012, 12:25 AM
Slovenian Mountain Warfare School is not part of such frame. It is just one of the certified NATO warfare education facilities where any NATO country can participate.

Psycho☻
03-24-2012, 06:05 AM
Slovenian Mountain Warfare School is not part of such frame. It is just one of the certified NATO warfare education facilities where any NATO country can participate.

It is yet not fully NATO accredited. That is planned for 2015. Since 2011, multinational status has been given with cooperation with Austria, Hungary and Italy as participating nations. There are also Germany, Canada, Croatia and Turkey interested in applying for participation.

Gvozdansko 1578.
03-24-2012, 11:01 AM
Which particular regional cooperation you have in mind. I do not know for such arrangement, when recently the regional Smart Defense agreement for Air defence agreed, Slovenia was not mentioned in such arangement.
OK, I know that some in Slovenia (rightfully so, I don't blame you at all) are allergic to any Region-ish context with you in it but within NATO exists something called SEEGROUP (http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/news_60181.htm?) and you're part of it.

NATO's South East Europe Initiative is a series of programs and activities aimed at promoting regional cooperation and long-term stability in the Balkans. It is an informal and open-ended group, set up in 2000 as part of the South East European Initiative.
The Consultative Forum includes NATO countries and Partner countries in the South East Europe neighborhood (Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Romania,the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia and Slovenia)


The Defence Ministers of Albania, the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia and Montenegro joined lead nation Croatia and contributing nation Slovenia today in pledging concrete support to the training of Afghan Military Police. In the margins of the NATO Defence Ministers Meeting, they signed a Memorandum of Understanding governing contributions to the Military Police School in Kabul, as part of NATO’s training mission in Afghanistan.

I wasn't aiming at nothing permanent or fully formal, but definition of Southeast Europe or Region varies from time to time, that was my point.

fiorellabel
04-01-2012, 09:35 AM
New number of hrvatski Vojnik with an interesting frontpage picture.

http://www.hrvatski-vojnik.hr/hrvatski-vojnik/Hrv_pages/bpictures/HV_390_01%20cijena%20copy.jpg

Gvozdansko 1578.
04-04-2012, 05:24 PM
OSRH training ground "Eugen Kvaternik", Slunj, exercise Spremnost 2012..
http://www.jutarnji.hr/multimedia/archive/00478/slunj_patria9-0404_478117S0.jpg

http://www.jutarnji.hr/multimedia/archive/00478/slunj_patria8-0404_478116S0.jpg

http://www.jutarnji.hr/multimedia/archive/00478/slunj_patria7-0404_478115S0.jpg

http://www.jutarnji.hr/multimedia/archive/00478/slunj_patria5-0404_478113S0.jpg

http://www.jutarnji.hr/multimedia/archive/00478/slunj_patria3-0404_478111S0.jpg

http://www.jutarnji.hr/multimedia/archive/00478/slunj_patria2-0404_478110S0.jpg

http://www.jutarnji.hr/multimedia/archive/00478/slunj_patria1-0404_478109S0.jpg

http://www.jutarnji.hr/multimedia/archive/00478/slunj_patria4-0404_478112S0.jpg

http://www.jutarnji.hr/multimedia/archive/00478/slunj_patria11-040_478119S0.jpg



Gušt ih je vidjeti ovako, stvarno lijepa slika. Još kad ih opremimo 30 milimetarskim topovima, bit će odlično, rekao je ministar Kotromanović generalu Dragi Lovriću, načelniku Glavnog stožera HV-a.
It's a delight to see them like this, a truly good sight. When we equip them with 30 mm canons it will be great, said MoD Kotromanović to general Drago Lovrić, HV chief of staff

fiorellabel
04-04-2012, 07:54 PM
An article from Defender.hr however seem to disclose another perspective about a more active partecipation of Croatian SF in Afganistan: http://www.defender.hr/republika-hrvatska/oruzane-snage/pripadnici-bojne-za-specijalna-djelovanja-spremaju-se-za-afganistan.php

Personally, i consider completely wrong the idea of become involved in active fighting just when americans are preparing to leave and seem me quite incredible that, after HDZ government gave a great support to ISAF mission, even superior to some larger country but firmly stitched it to non-combat roles, the new left government would allow the partecipation to the anglo-american private war against Taliban/AQ in southern Afganistan.
What would happen if (Boze sačuvaj) some croatian soldier would get killed because of that?
Fortunately, it seems from some lines , that there is still a good dose of speculation about that.

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SATNIK
04-05-2012, 06:36 AM
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Few more pics from http://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/pogledajte-oklopnjake-akciji-lovric-to-je-ono-sto-nama-treba-galerija-395012

Gvozdansko 1578.
04-05-2012, 06:41 AM
An article from Defender.hr however seem to disclose another perspective about a more active partecipation of Croatian SF in Afganistan: http://www.defender.hr/republika-hrvatska/oruzane-snage/pripadnici-bojne-za-specijalna-djelovanja-spremaju-se-za-afganistan.php

Personally, i consider completely wrong the idea of become involved in active fighting just when americans are preparing to leave and seem me quite incredible that, after HDZ government gave a great support to ISAF mission, even superior to some larger country but firmly stitched it to non-combat roles, the new left government would allow the partecipation to the anglo-american private war against Taliban/AQ in southern Afganistan.
What would happen if (Boze sačuvaj) some croatian soldier would get killed because of that?
Fortunately, it seems from some lines , that there is still a good dose of speculation about that.

176912
On Croatian forums there are some reserves towards Defender portal articles - but if BSD is to participate in Afghan, my money is on the option of Croat-Slovak joint training of ANA special forces, all in favor of afghanisation (to use term from another war that took place in now rather distant past in SE Asia)of the on-going conflict

Muc91
04-05-2012, 12:09 PM
http://i39.*******.com/25anjwk.jpg
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Klek-12, a VoB exercise

fiorellabel
04-06-2012, 04:34 PM
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vodin
04-08-2012, 11:15 PM
http://i42.*******.com/2ljgbd4.jpg


What rifle is that, leaning by the legs of a soldier?

Piggy
04-09-2012, 05:00 AM
It is a spring of a seat suspension and point for safety belt buckling.

Psycho☻
04-09-2012, 06:21 AM
I think it's VHS :)

Muc91
04-09-2012, 01:47 PM
what rifle is that, leaning by the legs of a soldier?

vhs-d

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maxo100
04-13-2012, 12:56 PM
Same new fotos without hubla_bubla !!

http://www.osrh.hr/novosti_slike/20120410-2-19.jpg

http://www.osrh.hr/novosti_slike/20120410-2-18.jpg

http://www.osrh.hr/novosti_slike/20120410-2-13.jpg

http://www.osrh.hr/novosti_slike/20120410-2-22.jpg

http://www.osrh.hr/novosti_slike/20120405-1-19.jpg

http://www.osrh.hr/novosti_slike/20120405-1-21.jpg

http://www.osrh.hr/novosti_slike/20120405-1-22.jpg

http://www.hrvatski-vojnik.hr/hrvatski-vojnik/Hrv_pages/bpictures/HV_392_01%20cijena%20copy.jpg

http://www.hrvatski-vojnik.hr/hrvatski-vojnik/Hrv_pages/bpictures/KIR_3933%20a.jpg

http://www.hrvatski-vojnik.hr/hrvatski-vojnik/Hrv_pages/bpictures/WIL_5948.jpg

http://www.hrvatski-vojnik.hr/hrvatski-vojnik/Hrv_pages/bpictures/KIR_0995.jpg

http://www.hrvatski-vojnik.hr/hrvatski-vojnik/Hrv_pages/bpictures/KIR_0884.jpg

http://www.hrvatski-vojnik.hr/hrvatski-vojnik/Hrv_pages/bpictures/KIR_1037.jpg

http://www.hrvatski-vojnik.hr/hrvatski-vojnik/Hrv_pages/bpictures/KIR_0969.jpg

http://www.hrvatski-vojnik.hr/hrvatski-vojnik/Hrv_pages/bpictures/d30%20004.jpg

http://www.hrvatski-vojnik.hr/hrvatski-vojnik/Hrv_pages/bpictures/DOC_0130%20a.jpg

http://www.osrh.hr/novosti_slike/20120405-3-1.jpg

http://www.osrh.hr/novosti_slike/20120330-1-1.jpg

http://www.osrh.hr/novosti_slike/20120411-1-1.jpg

http://www.osrh.hr/novosti_slike/20120411-2-2.jpg

http://www.osrh.hr/novosti_slike/20120411-2-3.jpg

http://www.osrh.hr/novosti_slike/20120410-3-2.jpg

http://www.osrh.hr/novosti_slike/20120410-3-1.jpg

http://www.osrh.hr/novosti_slike/20120410-3-3.jpg

http://www.osrh.hr/novosti_slike/20120410-3-4.jpg

http://www.osrh.hr/novosti_slike/20120410-3-5.jpg

maxo100
04-13-2012, 01:02 PM
http://www.osrh.hr/novosti_slike/20120410-3-6.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/stories/morh_sadrzaj/2012/04-travanj/gadanje_13042012_v.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/dogadjanja/gadanje_13042012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_gadanje_13042012_13.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/dogadjanja/gadanje_13042012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_gadanje_13042012_12.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/dogadjanja/gadanje_13042012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_gadanje_13042012_11.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/dogadjanja/gadanje_13042012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_gadanje_13042012_10.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/dogadjanja/gadanje_13042012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_gadanje_13042012_02.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/dogadjanja/gadanje_13042012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_gadanje_13042012_03.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/dogadjanja/gadanje_13042012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_gadanje_13042012_04.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/dogadjanja/gadanje_13042012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_gadanje_13042012_05.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/dogadjanja/gadanje_13042012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_gadanje_13042012_06.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/dogadjanja/gadanje_13042012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_gadanje_13042012_07.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/dogadjanja/gadanje_13042012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_gadanje_13042012_08.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/dogadjanja/gadanje_13042012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_gadanje_13042012_09.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/dogadjanja/gadanje_13042012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_gadanje_13042012_01.jpg

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Huron
04-13-2012, 03:25 PM
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7800/dscf1593u.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/23/dscf1593u.jpg/)


http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/2183/dscf1596a.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/840/dscf1596a.jpg/)


http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/9679/dscf1603d.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/824/dscf1603d.jpg/)

Huron
04-13-2012, 03:51 PM
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/456/301e1f2831co9.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/824/301e1f2831co9.jpg/)


http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/989/301b8b5620681od7.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/193/301b8b5620681od7.jpg/)


http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9701/30147b5441at6.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/21/30147b5441at6.jpg/)

Huron
04-13-2012, 04:07 PM
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5885/scansione0011n.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/43/scansione0011n.jpg/)


http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/3922/scansione0005z.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/856/scansione0005z.jpg/)


http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8284/34368676.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/834/34368676.jpg/)

Paya
04-13-2012, 06:14 PM
I'm very interested in the organization, development, and photos of the Croatian Armed Forces in the 1996-2000 period, so if any of you gents could help with a link or two, it would be very much appreciated.

Also, I don't know if this is the right place to ask the question, but I'm wondering how did the Home Defense Regiments function in that period. Were they made up of reservists, conscripts or professionals, and how active were they in terms of exercises and the like. Their mere existence is something of a curiosity for me, because they were, to my understanding, a localized defense force, but were used offensively more than the conscript infantry brigades during the war, and continued to exist up until 2003 or so.

Again, thanks in advance.

fiorellabel
04-13-2012, 08:48 PM
Home defence regiment is an unit composed by domobrani (homeland defenders) i.e. coscript or better not full time soldiers called instead gardisti.
Concidence of those therms with the usual coscript or professional soldiers it was however not fully appliable during the Homeland War as vast majority of domobrans are mobilized personnel and a good part of the gardists were not former professional soldiers but instead the ones that accepted to serve full time.
n first phase of war both gardist and domobran units were called brigates, but subsequentely most of domobranske brigates were renamed Pukovnija- regiment.
Both type of units was strictly territorial based, Tigrovi are from Zagreb, Pauci from Split and coastal Dalmacia, Kune and Sokolovi Slavonians, Vukovi from Dalmatian hinterland and Lika and so on...
Yet, domobrans were never intended to be a sort of territorial militia but instead truly regular soldier and their units acted in quite the same way than gardist ones.

Gvozdansko 1578.
04-18-2012, 03:59 PM
I'm very interested in the organization, development, and photos of the Croatian Armed Forces in the 1996-2000 period, so if any of you gents could help with a link or two, it would be very much appreciated.

Also, I don't know if this is the right place to ask the question, but I'm wondering how did the Home Defense Regiments function in that period. Were they made up of reservists, conscripts or professionals, and how active were they in terms of exercises and the like. Their mere existence is something of a curiosity for me, because they were, to my understanding, a localized defense force, but were used offensively more than the conscript infantry brigades during the war, and continued to exist up until 2003 or so.

Again, thanks in advance.
To add on fiorellabel's post.
List of Home Guard regiments:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/HV_Domobranstvo_prišivka.jpg

Domobranske pukovnije Hrvatske vojske



1. domobranska pukovnija Zagreb
2. domobranska pukovnija
3. domobranska pukovnija
4. domobranska pukovnija
6. domobranska pukovnija Split
7. domobranska pukovnija Zadar
8. domobranska pukovnija Rijeka
12. domobranska pukovnija Petrinja
14. domobranska pukovnija Slunj
15. domobranska pukovnija Šibenik
17. domobranska pukovnija Sunja
20. domobranska pukovnija Glina
21. domobranska pukovnija
24. dp domobranska pukovnija Varaždin
52. domobranska pukovnija Daruvar
110. domobranska pukovnija Karlovac
118. domobranska pukovnija Gospić
121. domobranska pukovnija Nova Gradiška
125. domobranska pukovnija Novska
126. domobranska pukovnija Sinj
133. domobranska pukovnija Otočac
134. domobranska pukovnija Biograd
137. domobranska pukovnija Duga Resa
138. domobranska pukovnija Delnice
140. domobranska pukovnija Jastrebarsko
142. domobranska pukovnija Drniš
143. domobranska pukovnija Ogulin
154. domobranska pukovnija Pazin


Many of mentioned regiments were demobilized right after the war or merged with certain other units.
For example, 12th regiment Petrinja was merged with 17th regiment Sunja into 601st infantry brigade, later also demobilized.

Gvozdansko 1578.
04-19-2012, 03:25 PM
Mid-Adriatic, April 18th and 19th 2012. exercise of naval and air component of Croatian Coast Guard

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/737/vjezbahrm1904201204.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9548/vjezbahrm1904201205.jpg

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/739/vjezbahrm1904201206dr.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4559/vjezbahrm1904201208.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3856/vjezbahrm1904201209.jpg

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/6035/vjezbahrm1904201207.jpg

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/8286/vjezbahrm1904201212.jpg

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8444/vjezbahrm1904201213.jpg

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/417/vjezbahrm1904201215.jpg

Hoverhind
04-20-2012, 12:46 PM
Another great photo from the same exercise:

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/2985/vjezbahrm1904201214.jpg

Also, joint training of Air Force pilots in providing CAS and Forward Air Controllers was completed today at Zemunik Air Force Base. Members of Special Operations Battalion, Military Intel Battalion and Guards Motorized Brigade were qualified as FACs.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8013/obuka20042012v.jpg

Finally, an MLRS battery, Artillery Battalion, Guards Motorized Brigade, conducted live fire exercise at Eugen Kvaternik Proving Ground near Slunj. BM-21 122mm MLRSs fired at targets set 9,5 to 12 kilometers away under guidance of forward artillery observers.

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/2931/vbr200420120001.jpg

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4935/vbr200420120002.jpg

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7452/vbr200420120003.jpg

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/4893/vbr200420120004.jpg

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9261/vbr200420120007.jpg

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http://imageshack.us/f/137/vbr200420120009.jpg/

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http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/1221/vbr200420120015.jpg

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1037/vbr200420120019.jpg

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9199/vbr200420120021.jpg

MajorVP
04-20-2012, 01:14 PM
Really nice photos, It seems that in last few weeks since Croatia got new minister of defense ground army has increased number of military exercises and activities unlike before 2012 ? almost every few days we can see some live fire exercises with "heavy" weapon. As I remember it wasn't a case probably more than 5 years.?

Hoverhind
04-20-2012, 01:28 PM
Yes, the Armed Forces have definitely increased the number of exercises. Just a year ago it was unimaginable that CAS/FAC training and MLRS live firing could be conducted on the same day in two different parts of the country, but that's exactly what happened today.

A list of planned exercises (major ones, small regular ones, which include artillery, air defense etc. aren't even listed) is now at Armed Forces website (not MoDs). Of note is Harpoon 12, a new naval exercise to be held in october and will include assymetric, but also, and more importantly, conventional naval warfare and will include live fire exercises of our warships against sea and air targets. This might very well mean we'll start expending those RBS-15s.

EDIT: Also, the MLRS exercises is on the front page of Jutarnji list's internet edition. The military is getting a lot of publicity since Kotromanović took over, and unlike before, it's the good kind.

maxo100
04-20-2012, 01:46 PM
http://www.morh.hr/images/stories/morh_sadrzaj/2012/04-travanj/vukovi_13042012_v.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/dogadjanja/slunj_vukovi_14042102/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_vukovi_13042012_01.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/dogadjanja/slunj_vukovi_14042102/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_vukovi_13042012_04.jpg



http://www.morh.hr/hr/multimedija/fotogalerije/dogadaji/satnijsko-bojevo-gadanje-iz-lmb-120-mm-m-75.html#foto

Photogallery

Hoverhind
04-20-2012, 03:21 PM
Several photos shot at Zagreb Airport two weeks ago by Chris Lofting, including a Tango scramble by our QRA pair, callsigns Knight 1 and Knight 2:

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8362/mig21umd166cloftingimg6.jpg

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8362/mig21umd166cloftingimg6.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3324/p2091093.jpg

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5519/mig21bisd115cloftingimg.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5519/mig21bisd115cloftingimg.jpg

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/116/mig21bisd116cloftingimg.jpg

iderd
04-22-2012, 05:49 AM
Odluka o borbenom zrakoplovstvu biti će donesena za dvadeset dana


Izvor: defender.hr

Prilikom nedavne rasprave o Nacrtu prijedloga Strateškog pregleda obrane jedan od važnijih sudionika rasprave je izjavio:" Ukoliko u budućnosti Republika Hrvatska ne zadrži sposobnosti nadzvučnog borbenog zrakoplovstva i mogućnost nadziranja i zaštite zračnog prostora korištenjem vlastitih kapaciteta, nećemo biti prvi ni jedini u okviru NATO Saveza bez tih sposobnosti … Island, Litva, Latvija, Estonija, Albanija, Slovenija… također nemaju nadzvučno borbeno zrakoplovstvo. No, ako donesemo odluku o ukidanju tih sposobnosti bit ćemo prvi i jedini koji su to učinili. Navedene države, naime, ni prije članstva u NATO Savezu nisu imale te sposobnosti".

http://www.defender.hr/republika-hrv...za-20-dana.php (http://www.defender.hr/republika-hrvatska/oruzane-snage/odluka-o-sudbini-borbenog-zrakoplovstva-za-20-dana.php)




Izvor: Vecernji.hr

Sve je izvjesnije da će hrvatski državni vrh uskoro usvojiti odluku o eskadrili borbenih zrakoplova. Dvije su mogućnosti - nabaviti nove ili rabljene zrakoplove uz primjenu offseta, što bi hrvatskom gospodarstvu otvorilo tržišta Njemačke (Eurofighter), Švedske (Gripen) ili Rusije (MiG 29), ili preuzeti eskadrilu od 12 remontiranih MiG 21. Ova druga opcija stajala bi dvadesetak milijuna eura, bio bi raspisan javni natječaj, a postoje tri po**** za remont hrvatskih Mig-ova (rumunjska, ukrajinska i izraelska).

http://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/nakon-prvog-remonta-12-mig-ova-5-je-trebalo-popravke-clanak-399487

zg18
04-22-2012, 08:31 AM
Yes, the Armed Forces have definitely increased the number of exercises. Just a year ago it was unimaginable that CAS/FAC training and MLRS live firing could be conducted on the same day in two different parts of the country, but that's exactly what happened today.

A list of planned exercises (major ones, small regular ones, which include artillery, air defense etc. aren't even listed) is now at Armed Forces website (not MoDs). Of note is Harpoon 12, a new naval exercise to be held in october and will include assymetric, but also, and more importantly, conventional naval warfare and will include live fire exercises of our warships against sea and air targets. This might very well mean we'll start expending those RBS-15s.

EDIT: Also, the MLRS exercises is on the front page of Jutarnji list's internet edition. The military is getting a lot of publicity since Kotromanović took over, and unlike before, it's the good kind.


This is something new, i hope we will (re)start similar exercises like in 90`ies.

fiorellabel
04-22-2012, 01:42 PM
Very good news from armament's export:
http://www.vjesnik.hr/Article.aspx?ID=7094E472-55B6-46CA-95EA-6CCCFCF02F9E

and for icing the cake:
http://www.vjesnik.hr/Article.aspx?ID=0DA8E7B7-014E-42D4-888B-4CF52528BB79

MajorVP
04-22-2012, 04:54 PM
Very good news from armament's export:
http://www.vjesnik.hr/Article.aspx?ID=7094E472-55B6-46CA-95EA-6CCCFCF02F9E

and for icing the cake:
http://www.vjesnik.hr/Article.aspx?ID=0DA8E7B7-014E-42D4-888B-4CF52528BB79

Excellent news! keep them coming more!

Also

Rare photo of Croatian RT-20 anti-material sniper during the homeland war I guess. It really looks and it is powerful :) (click view image for large photo)

http://s2.pticica.com/foto/0000587485_l_0_e8i14a.jpg

maxo100
04-23-2012, 12:39 PM
Visit 93rd Air Force Base Zemunik




http://www.ezadar.hr/clanak/posjeta-93-zrakoplovnoj-bazi-zemunik

Photogallery

iderd
04-24-2012, 04:09 PM
Rusi: Kupite MIG-ove pa ćemo napuniti navoze Brodosplita

http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/DesktopModules/DnnForge%20-%20NewsArticles/ImageHandler.ashx?Width=680&HomeDirectory=%2fPortals%2f0%2f&FileName=images%2f2012-04-23%2fNovosti%2f2009ttt-08-19T131531Z_01_BAL01_thumb.jpg


Hoće li Hrvatska “omastiti brke u toplom ruskom boršču”, u obliku golemog paketa poslovnih ugovora koji nam je uz eskadrilu MiG-ova 29 nedavno ponudila Moskva? Naime, kako su izvještavali mediji, prvom se potpredsjedniku Vlade i ministru gospodarstva Radimiru Čačiću za nedavnog posjeta glavnom gradu Ruske Federacije navodno jako svidjela gotovo pa “nemoralna” ponuda rabljenih MiG-ova 29 SD, jer Rusija u sklopu “offset programa” nudi poslove vrijedne milijardu eura za posrnule hrvatske tvrtke.

Još prošle godine Ministarstvo obrane RH dobilo je na stol ponudu eskadrile od 12 polovnih MiG-ova 29 SD za 90 milijuna eura, s operativnim sposobnostima za sljedećih 15-ak godina, potpuno prilagođenih korištenju u NATO-ovu sustavu.

Pola stoljeća

Kako doznajemo od ruskih službenih izvora, znajući ograničene financijske sposobnosti hrvatskog proračuna, ponuđeni su MiG-ovi 29 iz sastava susjedne nam Mađarske. Prema zahtjevu proizvođača “RSK MiG”, svaku prodaju mora odobriti ruski proizvođač budući da je riječ o dragocjenoj ruskoj vojnoj tehnologiji, što znači da mađarski MiG-ovi nisu dostupni svakome bez obzira na moguću pojavu konkurentske po****.

S obzirom na ponuđeni “offset program” težak milijardu eura, Rusi su jako zainteresirani za to da te lovce kupi upravo Hrvatska. Posao moguće modernizacije mađarskih MiG-ova, potvrđeno nam je u tvrtki “RSK MiG”, Rusi bi povjerili “Zrakoplovno-tehničkom centru − ZTC” u Velikoj Gorici.

− Hrvati pola stoljeća lete ruskim zrakoplovima − kaže Aleksandar Eferimov, dekan moskovskog Zrakoplovnog fakulteta.

− Imate i jako dobre inženjere za održavanje MiG-ova. Bez novih zrakoplova ne možete držati korak s tehnikom. Morate imati nove zrakoplove i stalno usavršavati kadar. Preko zrakoplova se dolazi do novih tehnologija, znanja, sigurnosti, ali i prestiža za zemlju. Jednom kad izgubite kadrove, lovačko zrakoplovstvo nemoguće je oživiti. Koliko znam, s ruskim ste MiG-ovima vodili i dobili rat za neovisnost – kaže za “Slobodnu” dekan Eferimov.

Nije teško odgonetnuti zašto je gospodarski “offset” uz MiG-ove odjednom postao zanimljiv Hrvatskoj. Mnogo je razloga, a dva su ključna: širom otvaramo vrata ruskog tržišta i spašavamo Hrvatsko ratno zrakoplovstvo od nestajanja.

Iz ruskih izvora doznajemo neke detalje mogućeg “offset programa”. Visoko kotira zagrebačka tvrtka “RIZ odašiljači”, koja bi mogla sudjelovati u razvoju televizijske i komunikacijske tehnike u cijeloj Rusiji.

Ruska bi vlada Hrvatskoj ponudila i projekt zvan “Moskovski tramvaj” u kojemu bi sudjelovao “Končar − električna vozila”. Narudžba bi iznosila čak 300 tramvaja, a paket bi uključio i hrvatsku participaciju u obnovi goleme moskovske tramvajske infrastrukture.

Ruska strana, konkretno najveća ruska brodarska kompanija “Sofkomflot”, želi u “Brodosplitu” graditi produkt/kemijske tankere. Čak je poslan i upit na adresu “Brodosplita”, no dobivanje poslova bilo bi zajamčeno u sklopu “offseta”. Rusiji su potrebni trgovački brodovi koji bi po svojim karakteristikama bili ledolomci, i to za prijevoz u području Sjevernog morskog prolaza, od Bijelog mora do Beringova prolaza.

“Brodosplit” može graditi brodove koji zadovoljavaju klasu leda LU 6 ruskog registra brodova, znači one koji mogu ploviti kroz led debljine 1,5 metara. S obzirom na klimatske uvjete, Rusija nema brodogradilište u kojemu se tijekom cijele godine mogu graditi brodovi. No, zato ih ima Hrvatska.

Obnova flote

Igor Ivašin, zamjenik glavnog direktora “Sudoeksporta”, najveće ruske državne tvrtke za vanjsku trgovinu u području brodogradnje i brodske opreme, za “Slobodnu” kaže da hrvatske škverove “jako želi vidjeti u obnovi ruske flote”.

− Upravo sada razmatramo gdje ćemo i kakvu flotu graditi. Želimo što više starih partnera privući u obnovi naše flote. Naravno, pritom mislim i na hrvatske partnere koje jako želimo vidjeti u ovom strateškom poslu ruske države. Naš je pravac izgradnja novih ledolomaca, ribolovne i tankerske flote, naftnih platformi i brodova za njihovu opskrbu. Jeftinije nam je brodove kupiti u Koreji ili Kini, ali hrvatski su brodovi kvalitetniji. Ako bismo u budućnosti poželjeli prodati, recimo, brod izgrađen u Koreji, na njemu ne možemo zaraditi ni blizu koliko možemo na hrvatskom brodu. Želimo partnerstvo s hrvatskim brodogradilištima − kaže Ivašin, drugi čovjek “Sudoeksporta“.

Osim toga, hrvatskim tvrtkama otvorio bi se i ruski sektor građevinarstva, građevnog materijala, prodaje namještaja i prehrambenih proizvoda, industrijske opreme, energetike i tekstilno-obućarskih te farmaceutskih proizvoda.

200 ugovora

Rusija preko “offseta” hrvatskim tvrtkama, doznajemo, nudi 200 gospodarskih ugovora odmah spremnih za potpisivanje. Ukupna vrijednost ugovora je, ponovimo, milijardu eura. Od svih gospodarskih ponuda vezanih uz kupnju zrakoplova za HRZ upravo je ruska financijski najveća. Ruska tvrtka “RSK MiG” vidi “Zrakoplovno-tehnički centar − ZTC” u Velikoj Gorici kao regionalni centar za remont MiG-ova i drugih vojnih, te civilnih zrakoplova i helikoptera. Izborom MiG-a 29 Hrvatska bi imala pouzdanu lovačku komponentu.

Iskustva u korištenju MiG-a 29 dobro bi došla i susjednim NATO-ovim zemljama, koje bi s vremenom sa svojim borbenim zrakoplovima sudjelovale na vježbama lovačkog zrakoplovstva u RH i odmjeravale svoje sposobnosti s “neprijateljskim” hrvatskim MiG-ovima. Takva bi praksa bila od nemjerljive koristi za NATO.

Sve ove aktivnosti mogle bi rezultirati međunarodnom prepoznatljivošću HRZ-a, te time da Hrvatska postane međunarodni centar lovačkog zrakoplovstva u srednjoj i jugoistočnoj Europi. Koliko je MiG-29 pouzdan zrakoplov, pokazuje i stanje u poljskim zračnim snagama.

Poljaci su prije 10 godina od SAD-a nabavili 48 najnovijih inačica F-16C/D Blocka 52. Naknadno su objelodanili probleme s operativnošću tih zrakoplova i u letnom je stanju bila samo petina flote. Nezadovoljstvo s F-16, kulminiralo je odlukom da se nabave modernizirani MiG-ovi 29.

Slično mišljenje i povjerenje u pouzdanost MiG-a 29 dijele Bugarska i Slovačka, te donedavno i Mađarska, koja je ipak zbog golemih operativnih troškova vezanih uz Gripen morala odustati od tih zrakoplova. Poenta priče o ruskom “offsetu” leži u tome da se svaka kuna uložena u nabavu MiG-ova 29 može višestruko vratiti u hrvatsko gospodarstvo gladno poslova i svježih eura. Na koncu, što nedostaje ruskim eurima?

Izvor: http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Hrva...0/Default.aspx (http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Hrvatska/tabid/66/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/172080/Default.aspx)

Gvozdansko 1578.
04-24-2012, 05:08 PM
...
Just advice: write posts in English, if I'm not mistaking rules of this forum demand so.
Ako su članci iz naših medija stavi samo poveznicu - if articles are from Croatian media paste the link

Members of 19th HRVCON on training for HMMWV drivers - instructors were ANA members, this time roles were switched
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3636/tecaj240420121.jpg

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/1338/tecaj240420125.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6539/tecaj240420128.jpg

Gvozdansko 1578.
04-26-2012, 03:03 PM
Minister Kotromanović visiting BSD (Battalion for special actions) Drgomalj base, Gorski kotar

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/8475/23066078.jpg

57 members of Croatian Army with 5 Patria AMV en route to Germany on excersise of EU battle group (EUBG).

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/9247/14190986.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9436/79869660.jpg

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/9510/43565638.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7344/45666807.jpg

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2892/58541949.jpg

vodin
04-27-2012, 08:53 AM
I do not understand, what you should do on the exercise with vehicles without any equipment? Which goals you will accomplish? Why you army do not go with ordinary trucks on this exercise it should be much cheaper.

Hyde
04-27-2012, 09:24 AM
Drive in formation correctly, navigation, movement, embark and disembark, maneuver warfare etc... it's not all about shooting.

Reader I am
04-27-2012, 11:24 AM
I like how the new minister is handling the situation. With the reduced budget and probable further reduction it's amazing to see so much activity from our military.
Also I hope we will finally scrap those crappy Mig-21s.The romanian refits are nothing but a paint job and new plastic decorations.
Mig-29s seems like a solid deal. We will probably use them many years more than they say in these assesments and articles. Just like with the old MIGs.

fiorellabel
04-27-2012, 03:12 PM
Drive in formation correctly, navigation, movement, embark and disembark, maneuver warfare etc... it's not all about shooting.

Yes, also consider that Protector turret is an add up one, so maybe it can be disassembled and mounted later.
Another reason can be the desire to spare newer material.
Look those pictures from an example, they refer to an exercitation of some troop of the Support command:

178244

178245

178246

http://www.osrh.hr/default_hr_news.asp?id=553

As you see they use the old uniform during exercise and keep the new one for normal service.
Obviously it depends from the kind of exercise and unit involved.

Psycho☻
04-27-2012, 04:56 PM
Yes, also consider that Protector turret is an add up one, so maybe it can be disassembled and mounted later.
Another reason can be the desire to spare newer material.

roflU seriously?

Gvozdansko 1578.
04-27-2012, 07:30 PM
I do not understand, what you should do on the exercise with vehicles without any equipment? Which goals you will accomplish? Why you army do not go with ordinary trucks on this exercise it should be much cheaper.
Maybe we do that just to make our neighbors wonder.... :roll:

http://www.jutarnji.hr/pet-oklopnih-vozila-patria-8x8-amv-prvi-puta-napustilo-teritorij-republike-hrvatske/1024382/?foto=2


Prije ukrcavanja na labudice sa vozila su demontirane vatrene stanice tvrtke Kongsberg koje će biti ponovo montirane u Njemačkoj te će biti upotrebljene na vježbi

Prior to embarking on transport trucks Kongsberg RWS were dismantled from the Patria vehicles only to be reassembled in Germany and used on the exercise.

Don't see where the problem is...

vodin
04-28-2012, 12:22 AM
Drive in formation correctly, navigation, movement, embark and disembark, maneuver warfare etc... it's not all about shooting.
As posted above, RCWS (Protector M151) are packed inside vehicles and will be mount at the spot. This was clarified. I was asked this because Slovenian army did not need to dismantle weapon systems form the vehicles when had been gone abroad.

fiorellabel
04-28-2012, 03:36 AM
roflU seriously?
Yes, Obviously. Why go from Croatia to Germany with a Patria instead to load it on a truck and let's other drive?
In order to do it better to dismount turret and put vehicle under a canopy, less air drag.
Maybe nation think and act differently one from another, maybe it was because of that that there was indipendence wars in both the countries.

Piggy
04-28-2012, 06:39 AM
Maybe someone should put such an enthusiast in a Patria vehicle for driving in a row for nearly thosand clics and not having a single accident. He would surely became a real psycho...

Psycho☻
04-28-2012, 06:53 AM
Yes, Obviously. Why go from Croatia to Germany with a Patria instead to load it on a truck and let's other drive?
In order to do it better to dismount turret and put vehicle under a canopy, less air drag.
Maybe nation think and act differently one from another, maybe it was because of that that there was indipendence wars in both the countries.

I thought the statement about desire was only for the RCWS ("don't use protectors as they are brand new")

maxo100
04-28-2012, 06:53 AM
Yes, Obviously. Why go from Croatia to Germany with a Patria instead to load it on a truck and let's other drive?
In order to do it better to dismount turret and put vehicle under a canopy, less air drag.
Maybe nation think and act differently one from another, maybe it was because of that that there was indipendence wars in both the countries.

Jesus, with Patria in Germany and even the gun turret mount,yes,yes…Germany may allow us to have a shooting exercise on the highway like COBRA…….AHHAHAHAHAAA, you make my day….
roflrofl

maxo100
04-28-2012, 07:09 AM
http://www.vecernji.hr/data/slika/29/141933.jpg


Tired of ordinary travel, then travel in style, with Patria you safely and quickly to your destination.


Croatian National Tourist Board

Psycho☻
04-28-2012, 07:10 AM
Never mind.

fiorellabel
04-28-2012, 08:13 AM
Yes, we are using a full page about nothing relevant.
There are Patrias, there are Protector turret, details about way of transport them are just that: details.

Hyde
04-28-2012, 09:17 AM
As posted above, RCWS (Protector M151) are packed inside vehicles and will be mount at the spot. This was clarified. I was asked this because Slovenian army did not need to dismantle weapon systems form the vehicles when had been gone abroad.

My god..I just gave a few ideas about what exercises are for other than shooting.

fiorellabel
04-28-2012, 09:55 AM
Basically we are talking about different thing: one is a trip between, let's say Ljubljana and Celje or Maribor or Zagreb-Slunj, another between any of those and Germany, something about twenty hours driving.
In first case you can move the vehicles on their own,in other better to dismount turret and load it on a truck while crews go on a bus and arrive swell rested.

Psycho☻
04-28-2012, 11:48 AM
Basically we are talking about different thing: one is a trip between, let's say Ljubljana and Celje or Maribor or Zagreb-Slunj, another between any of those and Germany, something about twenty hours driving.
In first case you can move the vehicles on their own,in other better to dismount turret and load it on a truck while crews go on a bus and arrive swell rested.


Never mind.

In Slovenia we just remove the machinegun instead of the whole weapon system.

Gvozdansko 1578.
04-30-2012, 06:21 PM
Joint Croatian-Czech training of Air Advisory Teams started (http://www.morh.hr/en/news-press-releases-annoucments/press-release/zapocela-zajednicka-hrvatsko-ceska-obuka-zrakoplovnih-timova.html)
1st joint Pre-deployment Training Course of Air Advisory Team (AAT PTC) started today, April 30, in the 93rd Air Force Base in Zemunik Barracks.


This is a joint training of Croatian and Czech helicopter crews and aircraft maintenance technicians as part of the pre-deployment training and preparation of members who will be deployed in ISAF operation in Afghanistan as 5th Air Advisory Team (AAT).

Flight training is conducted on the Mi-171 Sh helicopters, preceded by one-week training on simulator in Ostrava in the Czech Republic. The training includes theoretical and general preparation for the operation, as well as functional part for the flight and ground groups, ending with practical flight training. The course was jointly designed by Croatian and Czech teams with advisory support of the institutions and units of the United States Armed Forces.

Commander of the course is Croatian pilot Colonel Michael Križanec.

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/7767/hrz300420125.jpg

iderd
05-04-2012, 09:53 AM
Is Croatia choose the Eurofighter?
Once again the rumor about the Eurofighter for the HRZ!
http://i50.*******.com/148hwlx.jpg

MajorVP
05-04-2012, 01:43 PM
Is Croatia choose the Eurofighter?
Once again the rumor about the Eurofighter for the HRZ!


Stop dreaming brother, countries like Austria and Hungary had financial problems when they purchase new jets, why you think we can afford something like new EF-2000 ? if we got some already used jets like MIG-29 or F-16 it'll be very great deal!
I just don't want to sound like "dreams" from forums like forum.hr or mycity-military.com , because I'm LOLING everything when I read their "wishes" in "dear Santa...." style....

Al-Bundy
05-04-2012, 02:12 PM
Is Croatia choose the Eurofighter?
Once again the rumor about the Eurofighter for the HRZ!
http://i50.*******.com/148hwlx.jpg

Any reason why Croatia would need this expensive toy?

Hoverhind
05-04-2012, 03:32 PM
We barely scraped up enough political will to overhaul our MiGs, anything else is highly unlikely. Nevermind how much a billion euros worth of offset (Gripen and Eurofighter offers) would jumpstart our (currently non-existent) high-tech industry and economy.

That said, having a platform that would ensure total air dominance in the region is hugely important not only from military, but from a political viewpoint. Politics and diplomacy only work as long as there's military might backing it. Without it, any negotiations turn into a list of demands you agree to.
Unforunately, our politicial elite lost sight of that around time they forgot the meaning of term "national interest".

Gvozdansko 1578.
05-04-2012, 06:35 PM
We barely scraped up enough political will to overhaul our MiGs, anything else is highly unlikely. Nevermind how much a billion euros worth of offset (Gripen and Eurofighter offers) would jumpstart our (currently non-existent) high-tech industry and economy.

That said, having a platform that would ensure total air dominance in the region is hugely important not only from military, but from a political viewpoint. Politics and diplomacy only work as long as there's military might backing it. Without it, any negotiations turn into a list of demands you agree to.
Unforunately, our politicial elite lost sight of that around time they forgot the meaning of term "national interest".
Not necessarily.
First, since we're boycotting Ukraine due to Timošenko's abusement in prison - Odessa deal is most likely off, Aerostar does crappy job..
Second, it would be smarter to get JAS-39 and create Smart defence trio with Hungarians and Czechs (already coming to Zemunik for helicopter trainings).
Prolonging life of Fishbeds is total waste of money and postponing the inevitable.

Definently since Kotromanović is minister, we have the increase of exercises and they're not hidden :-)

On military poligon "Eugen Kvaternik" Slunj from 2nd till 4th May 2012. was held target practice of Artillery-rocket battalion of Guards armored bridage:
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8743/topnicigombr0405201206.jpg

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/5742/topnicigombr0405201210.jpg

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4201/topnicigombr0405201216.jpg

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/74/topnicigombr0405201211.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/3839/topnicigombr0405201214.jpg

MajorVP
05-04-2012, 06:44 PM
Artillery-Rocket battalions working very much from begin of this year, great news. Artillery is mother of warfare!

maxo100
05-05-2012, 04:20 AM
http://i.imgur.com/riJSD.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ddbc1.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/R3omA.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/WgbzP.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xdSUl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/cpRcR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/lFPyo.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/hOOhf.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1hOvi.jpg

maxo100
05-05-2012, 05:04 AM
http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/pps/divulje_04052012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_1-ljeto_2012_04052012_5905.JPG

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/pps/divulje_04052012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_1-ljeto_2012_04052012_5783.JPG

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/pps/divulje_04052012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_1-ljeto_2012_04052012_5809.JPG

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/pps/divulje_04052012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_1-ljeto_2012_04052012_5922.JPG

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/pps/divulje_04052012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_1-ljeto_2012_04052012_6131.JPG

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/pps/divulje_04052012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_1-ljeto_2012_04052012_6165.JPG

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/pps/divulje_04052012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_1-ljeto_2012_04052012_6190.JPG

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/pps/divulje_04052012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_1-ljeto_2012_04052012_6209.JPG

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/pps/divulje_04052012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_2-ljeto_2012_03052012_4998.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/pps/divulje_04052012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_2-ljeto_2012_03052012_5030.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/pps/divulje_04052012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_2-ljeto_2012_03052012_5062.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/pps/divulje_04052012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_2-ljeto_2012_03052012_5071.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/pps/divulje_04052012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_2-ljeto_2012_03052012_5123.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/pps/divulje_04052012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_2-ljeto_2012_03052012_5202.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/pps/divulje_04052012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_2-ljeto_2012_03052012_5262.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/pps/divulje_04052012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_2-ljeto_2012_03052012_5262b.jpg

Lijeto (Summer) 2012

maxo100
05-07-2012, 08:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWjDe2BE890&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWjDe2BE890&feature=related)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GczVJNYcYp8&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GczVJNYcYp8&feature=player_embedded)!


Croatia has sent two Canadair in Bosnia, where a large fire near the town of Konjic and the fire threatened to come to a munitions factory.

maxo100
05-07-2012, 08:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP2sQ_KgrQo&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP2sQ_KgrQo&feature=player_embedded)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcdbgQ1KmJI&feature=player_embedded


(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcdbgQ1KmJI&feature=player_embedded)

Gvozdansko 1578.
05-07-2012, 04:59 PM
With all due respect but perhaps too much space for this fire-fighting in Bosnia.. :roll: that is civilian service activity, and to be honest fire-fighting air component should be in domain of some other ministry like ministry of interior, not MORH and OSRH.

Back to more military-ish topics
In memory of HRZ pilot and hero of Homeland War, Rudolf Perešin, on Sunday May 6th in Gornja Stubica 15. "Meetings for Rudi" were held.
Among aircraft that have participated in program are those of HRZ, Slovenian Air Force and Hungarian Air Force:

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/rudi_07052012/aeromiting_06052012_022.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/rudi_07052012/aeromiting_06052012_020.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/rudi_07052012/aeromiting_06052012_016.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/rudi_07052012/aeromiting_06052012_013.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/rudi_07052012/aeromiting_06052012_010.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/rudi_07052012/aeromiting_06052012_011.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/rudi_07052012/aeromiting_06052012_005.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/rudi_07052012/aeromiting_06052012_007.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/rudi_07052012/aeromiting_06052012_003.jpg

Gvozdansko 1578.
05-07-2012, 05:11 PM
Yeah, how come no pics are published from the CORE BG 12 exercise in Germany.
Or they're waiting for it to end - which is tommorow..

fiorellabel
05-08-2012, 02:47 PM
Something more military?

Here there is. Also if i DEARLY HOPE it is only speculation...

http://www.defender.hr/republika-hrvatska/oruzane-snage/pogled-izbliza-bsd-ce-ratovati-u-afganistanu-pod-americkim-ussocom.php

Gvozdansko 1578.
05-08-2012, 04:31 PM
Something more military?

Here there is. Also if i DEARLY HOPE it is only speculation...

http://www.defender.hr/republika-hrvatska/oruzane-snage/pogled-izbliza-bsd-ce-ratovati-u-afganistanu-pod-americkim-ussocom.php
Defender portal speculates a lot.
On Croatian forums it is called - portal for disinforming

Hoverhind
05-09-2012, 02:13 PM
Live fire training was conducted today at the helicopter firing range in Crvena Zemlja training ground by Croatian and Czech aircrews flying Croatian Mi-171s.

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/782/zemunik090520124463.jpg

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1479/zemunik090520124452.jpg

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/8021/zemunik090520124485.jpg

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/2440/zemunik090520124543.jpg

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7755/zemunik090520124640.jpg

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/5011/zemunik090520125349.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7088/zemunik090520124788.jpg

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8546/zemunik090520125013.jpg

Hoverhind
05-09-2012, 02:28 PM
And something we haven't seen in I don't know how long, live fire by M84A4 tanks at Eugen Kvaternik training ground conducted today:

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fiorellabel
05-09-2012, 03:22 PM
Hooraay!
Now, dear minister Kotromanović you need just a little thing to be the perfect MoD for Croatia:found some little more money and upgrade them ALL to D standard in 2016.

SATNIK
05-09-2012, 03:50 PM
It is great to see, finally in use new ballistic vest in green digi; and it seams pilots got new khaki colour flight suit also.
http://i48.*******.com/2wqu260.jpg

Hoverhind m84 live fire was last year also but only few pics in HV magazine.

SATNIK
05-10-2012, 09:10 AM
FIREARMS GUIDE about VHS (in english)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqMAZpb75-E&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkHYpkE_sLw&feature=relmfu

fiorellabel
05-10-2012, 03:14 PM
FIREARMS GUIDE about VHS (in english)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqMAZpb75-E&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkHYpkE_sLw&feature=relmfu

+ 1 million.
Thank Satnik!

Gvozdansko 1578.
05-10-2012, 06:33 PM
+ 1 million.
Thank Satnik!
This is so far the best video on VHS on the net.
BTW, on the Firearms Guide website also nice pic of HS Produkt XD 40 (http://www.firearmsmultimediaguide.com/images/stories/press/003-33.jpg)

More of photos from joint Croatian-Czech Air Advisory Team training

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/vojne_vjezbe/zemunik_10052012/zemunik_10052012_05.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/vojne_vjezbe/zemunik_10052012/zemunik_10052012_07.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/vojne_vjezbe/zemunik_10052012/zemunik_10052012_11.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/vojne_vjezbe/zemunik_10052012/zemunik_10052012_17.jpg - note the Wings of Storm training in the back :)

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fiorellabel
05-12-2012, 08:33 AM
Victory, we have PROTECTOR istalled!

179246

Pozega. 8th generation volontary conscript's oath.

http://www.morh.hr/hr/vijesti-najave-i-priopcenja/priopcenje/prisegnuo-8.-narastaj-dragovoljnih-rocnika.html

Gvozdansko 1578.
05-12-2012, 08:54 AM
Victory, we have PROTECTOR istalled!

179246

Pozega. 8th generation volontary conscript's oath.

http://www.morh.hr/hr/vijesti-najave-i-priopcenja/priopcenje/prisegnuo-8.-narastaj-dragovoljnih-rocnika.html
:grin:
How exactly tall is Kotromanović? On this picture except voluntary serviceman, everyone else is dwarfed by him
http://www.vecernji.hr/data/slika/104/518832.jpg
Personally, from current administration on St Mark's square, he's the only one I like.
And the only minister of defense in last 12 years who really cares for this army, you can see it on his face.

http://www.vecernji.hr/data/slika/104/518837.jpg

http://www.vecernji.hr/data/slika/104/518835.jpg

http://www.morh.hr/images/phocagallery/dogadjanja/prisega_12052012/prisega_1205012_0022.jpg
On this photo he is like: OK, now let me see if you've cleaned it properly..

iderd
05-12-2012, 09:08 AM
Eng: On Sunday in Split, a set of support for Gotovina and Markac.
Cro: U nedjelju u Splitu skup potpore Gotovini i Markaču.

http://dalmacijanews.com/Portals/0/images/2011/04/markac-gotovina.jpg

SATNIK
05-12-2012, 05:41 PM
http://i46.*******.com/4l35sy.jpg
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vodin
05-13-2012, 12:45 AM
Victory, we have PROTECTOR istalled!

179246

Pozega. 8th generation volontary conscript's oath.

http://www.morh.hr/hr/vijesti-najave-i-priopcenja/priopcenje/prisegnuo-8.-narastaj-dragovoljnih-rocnika.html
How much is a money reward for voluntary service in Croatian Army?

Hoverhind
05-13-2012, 06:51 AM
2400 HRK for the two months, a little under $500, after the cuts a few months ago. Previousley, it used to be around $1000.

Gvozdansko 1578.
05-13-2012, 10:08 AM
More about joint Croatian Czech helicopter exercises

http://www.acr.army.cz/informacni-servis/zpravodajstvi/cesi-a-chorvati-jako-jeden-tym-do-afghanske-mise-68564/

http://www.acr.army.cz/informacni-servis/zpravodajstvi/budou-dobre-sehrany-tym-68644/

Although they are slightly improving, our MOD is still behind others when it comes to public reports.
Is it so hard to publish videos like Czechs did :roll:

SATNIK
05-13-2012, 12:05 PM
Yeah, how come no pics are published from the CORE BG 12 exercise in Germany.
Or they're waiting for it to end - which is tommorow..

Gvozdensko 1587. Great question for the media section of the MOD, another FAIL from them !
The most interesting exercise in this year, and with the most interested audience to finally see Patria and its crew in action.But there is no pictures, let alone to expect video from them, really pathetic.

Anyways enjoy this pic.
http://i48.*******.com/2r4tq1l.jpg

Hoverhind
05-13-2012, 03:51 PM
A few days ago, captain Josip Čolak successfully completed his test flight in Wings of Storm aerobatic display team, earning his red flightsuit and a spot as No. 3 on the team starting this September. His training for the team lasted three months during which he flew in formations of two to six aircraft. Captain Čolak has over 1200 flight hours.

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SATNIK
05-14-2012, 08:31 AM
http://i49.*******.com/waj03q.jpghttp://i45.*******.com/4t1pqt.jpghttp://i50.*******.com/25ivua1.jpgNice pics I like the ceremonial holster for HS have not noticed it beffore.
They all look great well done.

vor033
05-14-2012, 07:25 PM
http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/vor033/Croatian%20Army/f1ada48b.jpg


Croatian soldiers from Recon Company, Guard Motorized Brigade load ammunition into magazines during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center (JMRC) in Hohenfels, Germany, May 12, 2012.

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A Croatian soldier from Recon Company, Guard Motorized Brigade, loads ammunition into a magazine during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 12, 201

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A Croatian soldier from Recon Company, Guard Motorized Brigade, adjusts the front sight post of an M16A2 rifle during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 12, 2012.

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Croatian soldiers from Recon Company, Guard Motorized Brigade fire M16A2 rifles at the range during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center (JMRC) in Hohenfels, Germany, May 12, 2012.

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A Croatian soldier from Recon Company, Guard Motorized Brigade marks his weapon's qualification target during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center (JMRC) in Hohenfels, Germany, May 12, 2012.

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A Croatian soldier from Recon Company, Guard Motorized Brigade marks a target to help zero a weapon at the range during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center (JMRC) in Hohenfels, Germany, May 12, 2012.

vor033
05-14-2012, 07:26 PM
http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/vor033/Croatian Army/20e9659a.jpg


Croatian soldiers from Operational Mentor Liaison Team 10 pull security during an OMLT training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 10, 2012.

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U.S. Army Command Sgt. Maj. Dennis R. Sullivan and a Croatian army soldier from Operational Mentor Liaison Team 10 pull security during an OMLT training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 10, 2012.

http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/vor033/Croatian Army/f10f2bb1.jpg


U.S. Army Command Sgt. Maj. Dennis R. Sullivan and a Croatian army soldier from Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) 10 pull security during an OMLT training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 10, 2012.

Gvozdansko 1578.
05-14-2012, 07:49 PM
Gvozdensko 1587. Great question for the media section of the MOD, another FAIL from them !
The most interesting exercise in this year, and with the most interested audience to finally see Patria and its crew in action.But there is no pictures, let alone to expect video from them, really pathetic.
Yeah, not even a news of return of the Patria's. They still have that old commie keep it secret chip in their heads.


Anyways enjoy this pic.
http://i48.*******.com/2r4tq1l.jpg
HRZ helicopters over Franjo Tuđman Bridge, Dubrovnik :)

vor033
05-14-2012, 07:57 PM
http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/vor033/Croatian%20Army/a550d0c8.jpg


Croatian 2nd Lt. Ozern Orban, Military Advisory Team 7, writes down information during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 9, 2012.

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2nd Lt. Orzen Orban of Croatia, Operational Mentor Liaison Team 7, radios for a medical evacuation during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center (JMRC) in Hohenfels, Germany, May 9, 2012.

EatTheGras
05-15-2012, 02:41 AM
Why is he armed with zastava m70 ?

Impartial Bias
05-15-2012, 02:43 AM
Why is he armed with zastava m70 ? Its the main service rifle of the Croatian army.

Gvozdansko 1578.
05-15-2012, 08:37 AM
Its the main service rifle of the Croatian army.
Yes, still is - though gradually it is being replaced with VHS rifle.

On the other hand, in abroad missions like ISAF or UNDOF M-70 is not so present, but since Afghan army uses AK family as its main service rifle usage of various Kalashnikov models from mentor teams is to be expected.

Gvozdansko 1578.
05-16-2012, 04:21 PM
Joing military exercise Guardex 12 of Croatian Army and Minnesota National Guard, May 16th

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SATNIK
05-17-2012, 07:44 AM
http://i46.*******.com/idb31s.jpg http://i47.*******.com/2d79dnn.jpg

http://i49.*******.com/rwp05z.jpg http://i50.*******.com/zx16o.jpg


Operational Mentor Liaison Team training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 5, 2012. OMLT 23 and Police Operational Mentor Liaison Team 7 training are designed to prepare teams for deployment to Afghanistan with the ability to train, advise, and enable the Afghan National Security Force in areas such as counter-insurgency, combat advisory, and force enabling support operations.

Thanks to Hollow Point from forum.hr for the heads up woot. More pics could be found here http://www.dvidshub.net/tags/image/croatia/page/1

Gvozdansko 1578.
05-17-2012, 06:20 PM
Annual government report on state of defense readiness:
http://www.vlada.hr/hr/content/download/213332/3133981/file/27.%20-%208.pdf



Višegodišnje nedostatno financiranje održavanja borbene tehnike HKoV-a umanjilo je
ispravnost koja je pala ispod razine koja osigurava nesmetano izvršavanje zadaća HKoV-a.
Najkritičnija je ispravnost tenkova koja je iznosila 24% od ukupno 75 tenkova, oklopništva ukupno
49% od 226 sredstava te raketnih sustava za potporu. Prioritet u održavanju tehnike HKoV-a
bio je na opremi namijenjenoj za mirovne operacije, inženjerijskim strojevima i opremi te strojevima
za razminiranje.

Translation:
Years of inadequate funding for maintenance of combat equipment of the Ground Army reduced its
functionality that fell below the level that ensures the proper execution of Army's tasks.
The most critical is the combat functionality of the tanks, which reaches 24% of the total of 75 tanks,
in overall armored forces the percent of functionality was 49% out of 226 battle units, also critical is the state of MLRS.

The priority in the maintenance of Ground Army resources was on equipment designed for peacekeeping operations,
engineering machinery and equipment and machinery for de-mining.

Nice. So basically we have 18 functional tanks... :roll:
This army should really reconsider its priorities which are not fire fighting, medical transport and in following years leave that to Civilna zaštita like some other countries.
But at least they've remembered what is their primary role:


Unaprijediti obuku kroz sustav borbeno usredotočene obuke.
Obuka u Oružanim snagama bit će pojačana i usredotočena prvenstveno na razvoj sposobnosti za vođenje oružane borbe
u ispunjavanju temeljne misije u obrani zemlje. Iz tih sposobnosti će proizlaziti i sposobnosti zasudjelovanje u međunarodnim operacijama.
Potencijal Oružanih snaga nastavit će se koristiti i upotpori civilnim institucijama.
Glavni izazov u predstojećem razdoblju je koordinirana izgradnja Oružanih snaga koje će u svim komponentama biti učinkovite i sposobne za
obavljanje najzahtjevnijih zadaća.

Započeti izgradnju obalnih ophodnih brodova kao ključnog preduvjeta za razvoj sposobnosti
Obalne straže u zaštiti interesa Republike Hrvatske na moru.

Donijeti odluku o sposobnosti potpunog nadzora zračnog prostora RepublikeHrvatske (Air Policing).
U predstojećem razdoblju donijet će se odluka o nabavi borbenih aviona, a do donošenja konačne odluke na temelju zaključka Vijeća za obranu
ispitat će se mogućnosti i opravdanost produljenja životnog vijeka postojećih zrakoplova MiG-21.

So the increase of training activities will be focused primarily on national defense abilities, inshore patrol vessels will be built -and- it is stated that decision on new fighters will be made with only possible prolonging of MiG 21s resources.

Interstellar555
05-18-2012, 06:06 PM
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Gvozdansko 1578.
05-21-2012, 02:00 PM
http://www.novilist.hr/Vijesti/Hrvatska/Nacelnik-Glavnog-stozera-nezadovoljan-stanjem-u-HV-u-Drago-Lovric-zeli-u-SAD

Shame on you, general, if this is true, choosing the easy way out of the mess called Croatian Armed Forces.

Hoverhind
05-21-2012, 07:57 PM
Actually, it's very honorable of him. He gave his best to transform the Armed Forces, but was blocked at every turn by political interests and protectionism. He simply can't do his job, and rather than sit and collect a large salary he'd rather go somewhere where he can try and do some good.

But it does seem we are going from bad to worse, apparently all our R-60 missiles ran out of resources:

http://defender.hr/republika-hrvatska/oruzane-snage/stanje-hrz-tri-jednosjeda-mig-21-bez-ispravnih-r-60-i-jedan-dvosjed.php (http://defender.hr/republika-hrvatska/oruzane-snage/stanje-hrz-tri-jednosjeda-mig-21-bez-ispravnih-r-60-i-jedan-dvosjed.php)

fiorellabel
05-21-2012, 08:15 PM
I frankly don't believe to any of those kind of articles.
They publish a speculation and sell it, Morh send a notice to deny it the day after, they publish it and have something to sell also.

vor033
05-22-2012, 06:18 PM
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Croatian army 2nd Lt. Orzen Orban prepares to call up for support during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center (JMRC) in Hohenfels, Germany, May 15, 2012.

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Croatian 1st Lt. Sinisa Troha from Recon Company, Guard Motorized Brigade and a Ukrainian soldier assault a hill during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 13, 2012.

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Croatian 1st Lt. Sinisa Troha (right) from Recon Company, Guard Motorized Brigade and a Ukrainian soldier prepare to assault a hill during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 13, 2012.

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Croatian 1st Lt. Mario Stantik of Recon Company, Guard Motorized Brigade talks with a local civilian during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 13, 2012.

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Croatian army soldiers from an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) disassemble a .50 caliber machine gun during an OMLT training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center (JMRC) in Hohenfels, Germany, May 13, 2012.

vor033
05-22-2012, 06:36 PM
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Croatian Lt. Sinisa Troha, Intelligence Officer, pulls security during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 7, 2012.

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Croatian Lt. Sinisa Troha, Intelligence Officer, explains his plan to clear a building to Ukranian soldiers replicating Afghan National Police during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 7, 2012.

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Croatian Lt. Sinisa Troha, Intelligence Officer, pulls security with a Ukranian soldier replicating Afghan National Police during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 7, 2012.

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Croatian Lt. Sinisa Troha, Intelligence Officer, prepares to photograph Afghan civilian replicators during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 7, 2012.

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Croatian Lt. Sinisa Troha, Intelligence Officer, explains his plan to clear a building to Ukranian soldiers replicating Afghan National Police during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 7, 2012.

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Croatian Lt. Sinisa Troha (right), Intelligence Officer, prepares to enter a building as Capt. Krunoslav Zubak searches civilians for intelligence during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 7, 2012.

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Croatian 1st Lt. Sinisa Troha from Recon Company, Guard Motorized Brigade describes a plan of action during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 10, 2012

vor033
05-22-2012, 06:58 PM
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U.S. Army Soldiers from Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) 504 and Croatian army soldiers from the 1st Military Advisory Team observe the area for fire markers during an OMLT training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 6, 2012.

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U.S. Army Soldiers from Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) 504 and Croatian army soldiers from the 1st Military Advisory Team observe the area for fire markers during an OMLT training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 6, 2012.

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A U.S. Army Soldier from Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) 504 and a Croatian army soldier from the 1st Military Advisory Team pull security during an OMLT training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 6, 2012.

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Croatian army soldiers from the 1st Military Advisory Team observe the area for fire markers during an OMLT training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 6, 2012.

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Croatian army soldiers from the 1st Military Advisory Team observe the area for fire markers during an OMLT training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 6, 2012.

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Croatian army soldiers from the 1st Military Advisory Team pull security during an OMLT training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 6, 2012.

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Croatian army soldiers from the 1st Military Advisory Team pull security during an OMLT training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 6, 2012.

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Croatian army soldier Pfc. Ivan Kerestes from the 1st Military Advisory Team pulls security during an OMLT training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 6, 2012.

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A U.S. Army Soldier from Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) 504 and Croatian army soldiers from the 1st Military Advisory Team pull security during an OMLT training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 6, 2012.

vor033
05-22-2012, 07:28 PM
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Croatian Capt. Ivan Zhylko observes his soldiers during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at theJoint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 5, 2012.

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A Croatian soldier climbs a ladder to roof during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 5, 2012

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Croatian 1st Lt. Sinisa Troha clears a building with team during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 5, 2012.

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Croatian 1st Lt. Sinisa Troha clears a building during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 5, 2012.

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Croatian Staff Sgt. Kresimir Zrnic meets the mayor of the town in a key leader engagement during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 5, 2012.

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Croatian 2nd Lt. Mario Stakrio meets with the mayor of a town during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 5, 2012.

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Croatian 2nd Lt. Mario Stakrio speaks with security during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 5, 2012.

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Croatian 2nd Lt. Mario Stakrio participates in a key leader engagement during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 5, 2012.

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Croatian Capt. Ivan Zhylko stands with his team in formation during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 5, 2012.

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Croatian Capt. Ivan Zhylko stands with his team in formation listening to a brief during an Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) training exercise at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, May 5, 2012.

Gvozdansko 1578.
05-24-2012, 04:34 PM
Harpoon 2012 exercise of HRM

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/3020/harpun201202.jpg

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6084/harpun201207.jpg

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2151/harpun201212.jpg

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http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/4567/harpun201209.jpg

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4132/harpun201215.jpg

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Hoverhind
05-24-2012, 06:54 PM
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8686/harpun201208.jpg

Pretty good exercise, the first one of that type in many years. In addition to firing everything up to 57mm cannons at ranges up to 7500 meters, the exercise included formation steaming, convoy escort, tactical maneuvering, SAR and a first for the Croatian Navy, resupply at sea. Too bad no missiles were fired, but from the scope and theme of the exercise it seems like the Navy's preparing for deployment, perhaps anti-piracy ops.

Interstellar555
05-24-2012, 10:35 PM
Pretty good exercise, the first one of that type in many years. In addition to firing everything up to 57mm cannons at ranges up to 7500 meters, the exercise included formation steaming, convoy escort, tactical maneuvering, SAR and a first for the Croatian Navy, resupply at sea. Too bad no missiles were fired, but from the scope and theme of the exercise it seems like the Navy's preparing for deployment, perhaps anti-piracy ops.

Those corvettes do not have the capability to sail in open seas

SuchIsLife
05-24-2012, 11:55 PM
Those corvettes do not have the capability to sail in open seas

Thanks Admiral.

Who said they needed to?

Interstellar555
05-25-2012, 03:48 AM
Thanks Admiral.

Who said they needed to?

No problem p-)

The fact that others here on the site were saying that the HRM will deploy our ships for anti-piracy operations

Hoverhind
05-25-2012, 06:45 AM
Kralj class ships have a range of 1700 nm, endurance of 12 days and can handle up to sea state 5. That is more than enough to pass the Suez canal and either resupply in port or meet up with an Allied ship and conduct replenishment at sea before joining allied task force.

It's true they can't operate alone at high seas only turn back to nearest port after a week, but in joint operations they wouldn't have to.

Psycho☻
05-25-2012, 07:37 AM
Why giving every military event deeper meanings?

Nice pics though.

Interstellar555
05-26-2012, 07:12 PM
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Interstellar555
05-26-2012, 08:28 PM
http://www.24sata.hr/politika/ministarstvo-obrane-kupit-ce-automobile-za-127-milijuna-kn-267168
So there is no money left to help the armed forces but somehow there is money left for luxury vehicles ? :lol:

Oh Croatia you will never change......Always comfort before security, power & greed over national pride, and always selling its self out.

Gvozdansko 1578.
05-27-2012, 07:47 AM
Interesting photo from ceremony of start of exercise Immediate response 12
Slovene Army AMV Patria (Svarun), US Army Stryker and Croatian Army AMV Patria
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/6679/ir122605201208.jpg

More photos on preparations for today's OSRH program on Jarun Lake in Zagreb within the Armed Forces Day celebrations
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/7655/ttzkolona2605201203.jpg

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/1656/ttzkolona2605201213.jpg

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/6717/ttzkolona2605201214.jpg

Hyde
05-27-2012, 10:16 AM
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/6679/ir122605201208.jpg

Nice picture, first time I see a size comparison between the Piranha III and the AMV.

SATNIK
05-27-2012, 12:14 PM
Croatian Ministry of Defence plans to spend 12.7 million on the purchase of passenger car leasing. More HRK 800,000 was provided for the purchase of four buses with 30-35 seats, also leasing of seven years.

Roncevic was better at least he bought military equipment G36, Iveco LMV Iveco Trucks.
And this year we need more luxury sedan (like that Mercedes S they take last year, and more 55 personal civilian cars) I had hoped that last year, that they will buy some military 4WD, but none of that, I have not seen one new yet.
The new procurement plan can be found here http://www.morh.hr/images/stories/morh_sadrzaj/pdf/morh_Plan_Nabave_2012.pdf :cantbeli:

Lets play a game here( Save the first milion for LMG,or something else of your choice )
From procurement plan for 2012:
311. The Holly wine 80.000.kn
1010. Supplies for liturgical purposes 70.500kn
775. Small inventory liturgical 10.000kn.
903. Art for the sections of sacred objects of the Military Ordinary 25.000kn
673. The Rosary, nurseries, small statues of saints 20.180kn.
803.Hodočasnički badge Lourdes2012 15.000kn
806.Hodočasnički badge Marija Bistrica 40.000kn
1004.Hotel services for the Military Ordinary 266.500.kn
-All set for Military Ordinary 636.680.00kn - I will take Fn 7.62 instead Thank you

More: costs of our "favorite" media section of the MOD
663.Profesional camera and lens 67.800kn
676.Digitalni apparatus and accessories 50.000kn.
757.Digitalni Camera 15.000kn
315.Usluge maintenance of audio visual equipment 38.500kn
317 Maintenance of photographic equipment 20.500kn
-All togeter for 5 pics from the exercise if we are lucky 225.950kn. - I will buy some new Barret sniper rifles insted Any Time

And Finally, the ultimate stupidity:746. Psychological measurement instruments 50.000kn
1189. Psychological tests for recruitment of staff 70.000kn
1227.Psychological tests for units 50.000kn
440. Musical Instruments and Equipment 250.000kn
981.Music sheet 50.000kn..:) (We guard Croatia)that is all they ever play(Mi smo Garda Hrvatska) 300.000kn
together kn 470 000- We could buy some 40mm GMG but no.... .we are small professional they call themselves an army but with no weapons..

AMAZING THEFT 2012 .that is what the title should be.

Piggy
05-27-2012, 01:24 PM
Oh SATNIČE, that's one translation..
676.Digitalni apparatus and accessories 50.000kn.
757.Digitalni Camera 15.000kn
315.Usluge maintenance of audio visual equipment 38.500kn
but atleast you translated most of the text.
Regarding the article and your oppinion: Don't be sad, it's just about everywhere the same.:roll:

Gvozdansko 1578.
05-27-2012, 01:58 PM
And Finally, the ultimate stupidity:746. Psychological measurement instruments 50.000kn
1189. Psychological tests for recruitment of staff 70.000kn
1227.Psychological tests for units 50.000kn
At least that could have been outsourced i.e. contracted external psychological experts with tests included in price of service.



440. Musical Instruments and Equipment 250.000kn
981.Music sheet 50.000kn..:) (We guard Croatia)that is all they ever play(Mi smo Garda Hrvatska) 300.000kn
together kn 470 000
That is true...
I mean why that band for example never plays this tune - youtube.com/watch?v=P7ok8dRdmyE - of certain Austrian author... especially at ceremonial occasions. (I don't want to embed video in the post, that's why the link is incomplete).



We could buy some 40mm GMG but no.... .we are small professional they call themselves an army but with no weapons..
:lol:

SATNIK
05-27-2012, 02:10 PM
Oh Piggy, I think I've translated to some extent understandable, do not split hairs.Better translate other.

Like: 960. The material for hairdressers and barber salon 120.000kn
1232. Small inventory for hairdressing salons 50.037kn -together 170.037kn

So that is why Chief of Staff Lovrić has such a good haircut,psss :lol: straight military haircut

Gvozdansko 1578.
05-27-2012, 02:16 PM
With current state, this kid if he joins the Army in some 20 years time most likely will be using the same howitzer.. :roll:
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/8650/danosrh2705201218v.jpg

fiorellabel
05-27-2012, 04:33 PM
More photos on preparations for today's OSRH program on Jarun Lake in Zagreb within the Armed Forces Day celebrations
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/7655/ttzkolona2605201203.jpg

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/1656/ttzkolona2605201213.jpg



A confirmation:also Croatian PATRIA AMV travel on normal streets with protector turret on.

A question: What exact mission configuration the first vehicle is?

Hoverhind
05-27-2012, 04:36 PM
Judging by the crane (it doesn't show well, but I saw the vehicle in person) its an engineering/ARV variant.

Mikojan
05-27-2012, 05:42 PM
With current state, this kid if he joins the Army in some 20 years time most likely will be using the same howitzer.. :roll:

And what's wrong with this piece of equipment exactly? This howitzer is in use by numerous countries worldwide, even those that are considered superpowers when compared to us and will continue to serve for years to come. All D-30HR 122mm howitzers (36 roughly) in Croatian service have been modernized with new optical and aiming systems according to current NATO standards.

fiorellabel
05-27-2012, 07:45 PM
And what's wrong with this piece of equipment exactly? This howitzer is in use by numerous countries worldwide, even those that are considered superpowers when compared to us and will continue to serve for years to come. All D-30HR 122mm howitzers (36 roughly) in Croatian service have been modernized with new optical and aiming systems according to current NATO standards.

Yes, sometimes we are a little too pessimistic about future.
Main problem of croatian armed forces come actually from exterior i.e. dramatic economical crisis not only in Croatia but worlwide.
Profesionalization process went smootly, same with achieving Nato standard, juat now there was a significant increase of allocation for training and exercitations.
New ecquipments are obvioualy a problem, expecially for Army but this mainly because Air Force and Navy programs need actually the absolute priority

maxo100
05-28-2012, 01:54 AM
http://articles.janes.com/articles/Janes-Armour-and-Artillery/RH-ALAN-122-mm-howitzer-D-30-HR-M94-Croatia.html (http://articles.janes.com/articles/Janes-Armour-and-Artillery/RH-ALAN-122-mm-howitzer-D-30-HR-M94-Croatia.html)


http://articles.janes.com/articles/Janes-Ammunition-Handbook/122-mm-RH-Alan-ER-122-HB-HE-frag-and-ERBB-122-HB-ERFB-rounds-Croatia.html

Jane's ,122 mm D-30 CRO

fiorellabel
05-28-2012, 07:17 AM
Found that...

https://bop.peostri.army.mil/sites/bop/Lists/Sources Sought/DispForm.aspx?ID=234

Closing date:


5/23/2012

fiorellabel
05-28-2012, 07:29 AM
Hope not a repost but quite awesome pic.

180203

Interstellar555
05-28-2012, 08:50 AM
Hope not a repost but quite awesome pic.

180203

Great Pic !

Gvozdansko 1578.
05-28-2012, 05:07 PM
And what's wrong with this piece of equipment exactly? This howitzer is in use by numerous countries worldwide, even those that are considered superpowers when compared to us and will continue to serve for years to come. All D-30HR 122mm howitzers (36 roughly) in Croatian service have been modernized with new optical and aiming systems according to current NATO standards.
Today that piece of equipment is still OK for Croatian Army.
(none of those countries still using this weapon with exception of Slovakia, Estonia and Croatia belong to NATO, most are third world countries + ex communist block of course)
In 20 years time this howitzer first designed in 1960s will nonetheless be antiquity and hopefully in that two decades we'll be able to buy something new (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PzH_2000_howitzer).
And that some people in the OSRH are not so keen on the new proves this photo (http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/6616/danvojske9270512490869s.jpg)
Honor battalion performs ceremonial program with M70 instead VHS.. :roll:
It's not enough that they're stuck with PAPovka but they have to market other Kragujevac products. Another photo, just for comparison (http://img.news.sina.com/world/p/2011/0714/U43P5029T2D380993F28DT20110715082248.jpg).
On some Croatian forums, people that are within the system say many times that JNA mentality prevails even today among higher ranks, and obviously they are not so far from truth.

We don't need to sugar coat current state of the Army, it's not catastrophic, but it's far from good.

Hoverhind
05-28-2012, 08:21 PM
With around 30% of the Ground Army's equipment being combat ready, the situation is catastrophic. However, rifles used by the honor guard are the least of our problems. FAMAS has been in service for 30 years, I'm sure VHS will be just as common in another 30 years. I'd rather see our combat units and soldiers abroad getting the new rifles first, and that seems to be slowly happening.
On a sidenote, PAP should and will remain the ceremonial weapon, much like M1 Garand and M14 are in US. Although, I would chrome-plate the metal parts, like on US Army's Drill Team Garands.

vor033
05-29-2012, 03:41 PM
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Soldiers from 1st Platoon, 1st Company, Tiger Battalion, from the Croatian Army take cover and return fire after encountering enemy contact as they conduct a movement tocontact exercise during the Immediate Response 2012 (IR12) training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Tuesday, May 29, 2012.

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Soldiers from 1st Platoon, 1st Company, Tiger Battalion, from the Croatian Army take cover and return fire after encountering contact from the opposing force as they conduct a movement to contact exercise during the Immediate Response 2012 (IR12) training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Tuesday, May 29, 2012.

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A Croatian soldier from 1st Platoon, 1st Company, Tiger Battalion, gives direction after encountering contact from the opposing force as he and his platoon conduct a movement to contact exercise during the Immediate Response 2012 (IR12) training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Tuesday, May 29, 2012.

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A Croatian soldier from 1st Platoon, 1st Company, Tiger Battalion, gives direction after encountering contact from the opposing force as he and his platoon conduct a movement to contact exercise during the Immediate Response 2012 (IR12) training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Tuesday, May 29, 2012.

http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/vor033/Croatian%20Army/8cd24571.jpg


Soldiers from 1st Platoon, 1st Company, Tiger Battalion, from the Croatian Army return fire after encountering contact from the opposing force as they conduct a movement to contact exercise during the Immediate Response 2012 (IR12) training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Tuesday, May 29, 2012.

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A Croatian soldier from 1st Platoon, 1st Company, Tiger Battalion, takes cover in the grass while he provides security for his platoon as they conduct a movement to contact exercise during the Immediate Response 2012 (IR12) training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Tuesday, May 29, 2012.

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Soldiers from 1st Platoon, 1st Company, Tiger Battalion, from the Croatian Army maneuver across a bridge as they conduct a movement to contact exercise during the Immediate Response 2012 (IR12) training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Tuesday, May 29, 2012.

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A Croatian soldier from 1st Platoon, 1st Company, Tiger Battalion, provides security as he and his platoon conduct a movement to contact exercise during the Immediate Response 2012 (IR12) training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Tuesday, May 29, 2012.

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Two Croatian soldiers from 1st Platoon, 1st Company, Tiger Battalion, take cover and provide security as their platoon conducts a movement to contact exercise during the Immediate Response 2012 (IR12) training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Tuesday, May 29, 2012.

http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/vor033/Croatian%20Army/d2be3ca7.jpg


A Croatian soldier from 1st Platoon, 1st Company, Tiger Battalion, dismounts from a Patria vehicle as he and his platoon begin to conduct a movement to contact exercise during the Immediate Response 2012 (IR12) training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Tuesday, May 29, 2012.

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A small fleet of Croatian Patria vehicles transport soldiers of the Croatian Land Forces to a training site as they prepare to conduct a movement to contact exercise during the Immediate Response 2012 (IR12) training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Tuesday, May 29, 2012.

Gvozdansko 1578.
05-29-2012, 07:50 PM
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Members of the Croatian army train members of the Montenegrin army on how to properly use the VHS attack rifle during the Immediate Response training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Friday, May 25, 2012.

vor033
05-29-2012, 08:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9N93r0Z2f8


Croatian Land Forces and U.S. Army Soldiers train together during Immediate Response 2012 training event being held in Slunj, Croatia. Immediate Response is a multinational tactical field exercise that involves more than 700 personnel from the U.S. Army Europe's 2nd Cavalry Regiment and Croatian land forces, with elements from Albania, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Montenegro, and Slovenia. Macedonia and Serbia have brought observers - 05.28.2012

TG211
05-30-2012, 11:47 AM
The VHS sure looks nice in action !!

Interstellar555
05-30-2012, 12:30 PM
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Gvozdansko 1578.
05-30-2012, 03:35 PM
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A Croatian soldier playing the role of the opposing force returns fire at the soldiers of the 74th Motorized Battalion in the Slovenian army as they maneuver to their objective while conducting a deliberate attack exercise during the Immediate Response 2012 training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Wednesday, May 30, 2012.

SATNIK
05-30-2012, 07:08 PM
Participants from A.F of Bosnia and Herzegovina in the exercise "Immediate Response 12" The planned attacks were carried out as part of military operations in urban environments (MOUT- Military Operations in Urban Terrain).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCmoNjT0Fj8&feature=youtu.be

http://i45.*******.com/rlxnhz.jpg

Participants from BiH Armed Forces who participate in international military exercise "Immediate Response 12," are members of the first Infantry (Guards) regiment from Livno and they represent Croatian core of BiH A.F.. In the field, have shown remarkable ingenuity and expertise in all aspects of these situational exercises.
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The planned attack consisted of a detailed survey on rough terrain under artillery fire, close air support, and culmted in piercing the defense and occupation of the settlement. Novelty where fly by s of PC-9 (Pilatus) and F-16, with the demand from the JTAC (Joint Tactical Air Control)
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SATNIK
05-30-2012, 07:25 PM
Participants at "Immediate Response 12" from the Army of Montenegro and the Albanian Army 27th 05. 2012. was issued with Croatian VHS assault rifle to be used as their personal weapon during exercise.
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Sergeant Arthur Dogjani, member of the Albanian army, expressed his great satisfaction with a rifle, and particularly its short variant VHSk: "... It is shorter than the AK 47 that Albanian Army use as personal weapon therefore easier to handle and control, and that make it safer in combat environment. "

TG211
05-31-2012, 06:12 AM
@Bosnian soldiers pics off topic : Why still use the M16-A1 !!?? Good lord... The police gets better **** than the army... (SIPA has G36s and M4s, and freakin' glocks !!)

Nice cooperation pics !

Hoverhind
05-31-2012, 06:45 AM
New markings for Coast Guard Mi-8. I suppose this was cheaper than repainting the whole helo the way most coast guards do.
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/8199/17965840131077671471264.jpg

Gvozdansko 1578.
05-31-2012, 05:19 PM
New markings for Coast Guard Mi-8. I suppose this was cheaper than repainting the whole helo the way most coast guards do.
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/8199/17965840131077671471264.jpg

On the other hand, maybe the helicopter has to follow color scheme of Coast Guard ships
http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/7020/bs73faustvrancic012.jpg

Hoverhind
06-01-2012, 12:56 PM
Not maybe, it does. But primarily because it was a lot cheaper than repaint the whole helo in Coast Guard colors. I'd prefer to see something akin to our PC-9 scheme, only with a lot more red.
Overall, these racing *****es look like something a bunch of football fans might come up with.

Anyway, joint exercise Jadran 12 was held today in Žirje naval training area. Croatian Coast Guard, Air Force, Police and Customs participated. The Exercise was aimed at perfecting various procedures and actions for prevention of smuggling in Croatian waters.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9875/jadran0106201206.jpg

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Gvozdansko 1578.
06-01-2012, 05:48 PM
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5157/591983.jpg

Field artillery soldiers from the Croatian army assume the role of the opposing force in an ambush exercise during the Immediate Response 2012 training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Friday, June 1, 2012.
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/2298/591975.jpg


Soldiers from the Montenegrin army dismount a military carrier vehicle in preparation for an ambush exercise during the Immediate Response 2012
So, Albanian and Montenegrin troops participating in the IR 12 have been issued with VHS (precisely VHS-D1 and VHS-K1) while Slovene and BiH Army (Croatian component) use their own weapons.
Is the reason that standard assault rifle of MNE and ALB armies is still the one based on AK and not within NATO standard?

Hyde
06-01-2012, 06:31 PM
My god...they only use them as marker carriers. What NATO standards..they don't even use ammunition, and Croatia itself still uses AK rifles. They could just as well have used paintball markers to mount the lasers on, or airsoft rifles.
The reason is simple: Marketing. Croatia wants to sell its new rifle, what better way to help that goal than to actually get it into the hands of soldiers from armies that are still using a non-NATO-conformal rifle and will probably be looking for a new one in the coming years ;) But Montenegro will probably buy the short-stroke M-4 that is being produced there.

fiorellabel
06-01-2012, 08:11 PM
@Bosnian soldiers pics off topic : Why still use the M16-A1 !!?? Good lord... The police gets better **** than the army... (SIPA has G36s and M4s, and freakin' glocks !!)

Nice cooperation pics !

You have to consider that those are from a regiment (pukovnija) i.e. a unit for basic training of rookie soldier, so it can be that they have received only basic ecquipment, same than croatian trainees that wear old mimetics when also in offices regolar soldiers wear pixelated ones.
Others even during this own exercitation wear older models of uniforms, also US agressor squadron, yet first time that see all partecipants using 5.56mm weapon, maybe to be coupled with DISE systems.

SATNIK
06-01-2012, 08:49 PM
Note the two magazines ready to rock n roll :)

http://i50.*******.com/34ycum8.jpg

Sousuke
06-01-2012, 09:16 PM
Awesome photos lately! Thanks for sharing guys. I'm liking the VHS - any reports on how is it doing on the field?

Hoverhind
06-02-2012, 06:44 AM
The D1 and K1 versions ironed out most of the minor issues. It will take a while before everyone get used to the bullpup configuration though, and there's still the issue of ejecting brass only to the right. An ambidextrous version has been announced to fix that.

Gvozdansko 1578.
06-02-2012, 09:45 AM
My god...they only use them as marker carriers. What NATO standards..they don't even use ammunition, and Croatia itself still uses AK rifles. They could just as well have used paintball markers to mount the lasers on, or airsoft rifles.
They could have, but so could Slovenians and Herzegbosnians (to use the most proper term for guys from Livno regiment) that participate in the exercise.
Instead, they brought their own.
So, maybe the Soviet licensed rifles were not an option for this exercise, not even as marker carriers.


The reason is simple: Marketing. Croatia wants to sell its new rifle, what better way to help that goal than to actually get it into the hands of soldiers from armies that are still using a non-NATO-conformal rifle and will probably be looking for a new one in the coming years ;) But Montenegro will probably buy the short-stroke M-4 that is being produced there.
Now, that is the most likely reason. Slovenia has chosen FN F2000, BiH has M16 - so only two available markets for promotion are MNE and ALB.

koprivavk
06-02-2012, 10:13 AM
Patria AMV -Đuro Đaković Croatia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqpIW8IOEtg

Hoverhind
06-02-2012, 12:00 PM
Excellent video!

Here's another one from Immediate Response 2012, wasn't posted yet. A lot of action in it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCmoNjT0Fj8&feature=relmfu

Apparently, they killed Denis. :lol:

SATNIK
06-02-2012, 01:38 PM
Hoverhind; sorry mate you are to late, I posted that video on the previous page.
Gvozdansko 1578; Herzegbosnians (to use the most proper term for guys from Livno regiment).. I think the proper term is Croats from 1. Guard Regiment of BiH Armed Forces.They certainly do not consider themselves Herzegbosnians just Croats. That fact they live in another state do not change their nationality.

Here is more pics of 1st Guards Regiment of BiH Armed Forces from IR 12.
http://i47.*******.com/1z3wigi.jpg

http://i48.*******.com/f6pw9.jpg

http://i50.*******.com/34dkif5.jpg

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SATNIK
06-02-2012, 02:02 PM
Now I hope its a new one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxO0OWf-iL4

Hoverhind
06-02-2012, 03:28 PM
Yep, my bad. Too bad about Denis though.

Gvozdansko 1578.
06-02-2012, 03:59 PM
Gvozdansko 1578; Herzegbosnians (to use the most proper term for guys from Livno regiment).. I think the proper term is Croats from 1. Guard Regiment of BiH Armed Forces.They certainly do not consider themselves Herzegbosnians just Croats.
I know that of course and my intent was not to make difference between Croatians and Croats from BiH but I didn't want to call them BiH soldiers or anything like that.
For me personally they are still HVO no matter what.

RibaRo
06-02-2012, 04:41 PM
Yep, my bad. Too bad about Denis though.

Denis R.I.P. :D

CrazyDiablo12
06-02-2012, 05:50 PM
They are Croats from BiH whether you like that or not ;)

CrazyDiablo12
06-02-2012, 05:53 PM
They could have, but so could Slovenians and Herzegbosnians (to use the most proper term for guys from Livno regiment) that participate in the exercise.
Instead, they brought their own.
So, maybe the Soviet licensed rifles were not an option for this exercise, not even as marker carriers.


Now, that is the most likely reason. Slovenia has chosen FN F2000, BiH has M16 - so only two available markets for promotion are MNE and ALB.

Bosnias didnt choose the M16, it was donation ;)

SATNIK
06-02-2012, 06:47 PM
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Hoverhind
06-02-2012, 09:32 PM
Interesting, I didn't know we have UUVs. Third picture from the bottom. Any info on that?

Gvozdansko 1578.
06-03-2012, 08:33 AM
Bosnias didnt choose the M16, it was donation ;)
I know. I didn't wrote they have chosen it - only that they have it ;-)


They are Croats from BiH whether you like that or not
Who knows what future brings...:-P With this sentence I end the debate about HVO succesors on IR 12.

@koprivavk - thanks for posting the NovaTV report on Patria production line

Gvozdansko 1578.
06-03-2012, 11:31 AM
Hi-res photo (http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/4118/593144a.jpg) of Slunj Tent City.

In upper left corner are AMV Patria fleets, front row of seven or more are Croatian, the four behind are Slovene.

fiorellabel
06-04-2012, 07:33 AM
New issue of CroMIL available:enjoy!

http://www.morh.hr/component/option,com_flippingbook/Itemid,84/id,17/lang,hr/view,book/

For the few pages I have read it seems me to show a decise step forward: altought still an internal publication of MoD there is much less self-advertising and much more serious businness inside.
Maybe when in first number there was a costant worry about croatian admission and after thatfull acceptance in NATO, now things are settled and so the tone is much more self-confidet.

Annihilator9112
06-04-2012, 09:20 AM
Hi-res photo (http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/4118/593144a.jpg) of Slunj Tent City.

In upper left corner are AMV Patria fleets, front row of seven or more are Croatian, the four behind are Slovene.
You missed the 8th croatian Patria on the far right ;)

Hoverhind
06-04-2012, 04:01 PM
Helsinki class missile boat Vukovar has deployed to Adrion Livex 12 mulitlateral exercise in Koper.

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/6682/rtop040620121.jpg

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/7955/rtop040620122.jpg

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/2807/rtop040620123.jpg

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2723/rtop040620124.jpg

Haris122
06-05-2012, 05:13 AM
Anyone know what the story is behind the other 2 ethnic regiments of ours (BiH's) not participating in this (Immediate Response 2012 that is)? Granted capturing a complex with the Azerbajzani flag can be construed to have some undertones as to why Bosniak troops might not find it all that thrilling of an exercise (though the Serb component would still love it), but is there a more logical reason than to assume they just didn't invite us? Seems a bit foolish to decline any time you can get some extra practice, unless this stuff is still done separately with the U.S. and/or other countries inside Bosnia as well on a frequent basis, along the lines of the occasional military exercises that used to be done along SFOR contingents and such.

Hoverhind
06-05-2012, 10:28 AM
It's up to the individual country to decide which units to send and why.

Gvozdansko 1578.
06-05-2012, 04:23 PM
More from IR 12

HV and US Army acting like OPFOR;

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/200/ir123.jpg

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9023/ir122.jpg

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7479/ir124.jpg


http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/3149/ir121.jpg
Croatian component of BiH AF soldier secures an entry point while participating in a room clearing exercise.

-DENO-
06-05-2012, 04:41 PM
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/3149/ir121.jpg
Croatian component of BiH AF soldier secures an entry point while participating in a room clearing exercise.

He isn't Croatian soldier . There is a Bosnian flag on his arm. And equipment Marpat camo and M16-A1 rifle , classic Bosnian equipments...

SATNIK
06-05-2012, 07:05 PM
He isn't Croatian soldier . There is a Bosnian flag on his arm. And equipment Marpat camo and M16-A1 rifle , classic Bosnian equipments...

Deno nobody said he is a Croatian solider ,but do you know there is a Croatian core of BiH Armed Forces and that is 1 Guards Infantry Regiment. Witch this solider is a member and he has Croat surname Mihaljević B. probably Branimir Croatian name also. Yes Bosnian flag of course but check also the other arm on the previous page for pach and more info also.1st Guard Infantry Regiment is successors of ex HVO Guards Brigades from Bosnia.

Anyway more pics from IR12:
http://i50.*******.com/2888qkn.jpg

Soldiers from several different NATO partner nations prepare for a field training exercise using sand tables during the Immediate Response 2012 (IR12) training event held in Slunj, Croatia
http://i45.*******.com/16sx9j.jpg


Croatian soldiers take time out for physical fitness between training exercises during the Immediate Response 2012 (IR12) training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Monday, June 4, 2012

SATNIK
06-06-2012, 06:09 AM
The extreme bech push of 20 kg. rofl

And you know that exactly how ?

SATNIK
06-06-2012, 06:59 AM
More from; at Rogoznica has held joint military exercise "Adriatic 12"

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fiorellabel
06-06-2012, 07:11 AM
More from; at Rogoznica has held joint military exercise "Adriatic 12"

http://i49.*******.com/vwwz10.jpg http://i46.*******.com/6hugir.jpg
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Lost count of the numbers of exercise that was held from beginning of year.

Hoverhind
06-06-2012, 11:34 AM
Immediate Response 2012 presentation day:

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/2083/im120606201230.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1456/im120606201221.jpg

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3157/im120606201201.jpg

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http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9202/im120606201207.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9809/im120606201209.jpg

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/4339/im120606201205.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/930/im120606201210.jpg

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http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/1374/im120606201220.jpg

A pity we didn't send our MiGs to simulate CAS.

Also, Major General Dragutin Repinc, commander of the Army was awarded Legion of Merit by President Obama and was presented to him by Lieutenant General Hertling, Commander of US Army in Europe.

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/6467/im120606201228.jpg

SATNIK
06-06-2012, 02:26 PM
more pics gallery http://www.jutarnji.hr/-pogledajte-vojnu-vjezbu--pucali-iz-oklopnjaka-patria--zracnu-podrsku-pruzali-im-americki-f-16-/1033221/?secId=79

http://i49.*******.com/15dxncm.jpg

Dont You hate retarded HV logistics!
What the hell is yugo M72 rpk doing there? they could use Ultimax 100 at least its NATO caliber and can use m4 magazines and not like this to be the only guy with 7.62x39 with 30 rounds ak mag. The same thing is with the yugo M84 pkm They could use M240 we did see them once with the HMMWES . But NOO they probably dont even know they have them, or where are they. Unbelievable !!
We could just pray that they are not so retarded to take that sights off from G36 and so make G36 scrap and VHS uber cool.

Hoverhind
06-06-2012, 03:15 PM
There are thousands of M72s and M84s left over from the war. There was only around 100 Ultimaxs bought during the war, and I haven't seen one for a long time. Doubtful they are still in service. M249s are for A-Stan and also number 100-200 units at best. Acquiring SAWs and ammo while we have thousands of effective Yugoslav SAW and millions of rounds for them is just not possible right now. Acquisitions budget has been spent on last payment for AMVs this year, next year new patrol boats will start building, not to mention new fighters or modernization of existing ones. All those programs are more important than SAWs, and our Armed Forces are making the best the can with what they've got.

The scope system from G36s has probably been selected as the standard scope for VHSs, which will inevitably replace the G36s when they become available in sufficient numbers. HK G36 is priced around $2000-2500 per system, while VHS is around $1900 per system in pre-production series, which means that the price has now probably went down to around $1500-1700.

Psycho☻
06-06-2012, 05:25 PM
M249s are for A-Stan and also number 100-200 units at best.

I'd like to know more.

Hoverhind
06-06-2012, 06:35 PM
Nothing to it really, the goal was to simplify logistics over there as much as possible.

This is unbelievable:

http://www.jutarnji.hr/akcija-potrage-i-pomoci-iscrpljenim-britanskim-turistima-jos-uvijek-je-u-tijeku/1033229/

Two women, a British and a Canadian citizen called Mountain Rescue Service and insisted that a helicopter be sent for them. Yes, insisted. However, they weren't hurt, they weren't lost as they were on a marked trail and they even had food and water, but they were "too tired to make another step". Just imagine, they got tired and decided to order a helicopter to pick them up.
This will keep happening until we, like nearly every other country, start billing those who weren't injured or in immediate danger for the rescue. Fortunately, the tourists were informed that helo was too valuable a resource to be wasted on people getting tired and that they will have to wait for the ground team to.

SATNIK
06-06-2012, 06:54 PM
This pic is from 2011 or even 2012 TRSTV course that was held so fresh pic. And that list of 100 Ultimax from wikipedia is a bit low. And even if 100 is still alive that is enough for patria crews not to mention for IR12.
http://i45.*******.com/2akdb3b.jpg

Give us a break with that political phrases..at a end of this year, or next year we will start..just wait for the next year for nothing to happen as usual.
But there is money in the budget for musical instruments 250.000kn or heir hairdressing salons 170.000kn and many crap like that pssss. but not for a 20-50 lmg.

And there are no Croatian saw in Afganistan only that they fire them on the range from US or other countries.

P.S. lmg is called Ultimax 100,so probably that nomber is on wiki from that name..and that list says M40 sniper riflle even we only use Steyer SSG69 but I guess they look a like so now we end up have M40.

SATNIK
06-06-2012, 07:23 PM
The scope system from G36s has probably been selected as the standard scope for VHSs, which will inevitably replace the G36s when they become available in sufficient numbers. HK G36 is priced around $2000-2500 per system, while VHS is around $1900 per system in pre-production series, which means that the price has now probably went down to around $1500-1700.

And than ad the dual optics price from Zeiss witch is expensive you end up in the range of HK.But we will probably not even use lmg in the future because Višenamjenski H S (VHS) can take all the rolls in Armed Forces.We are so advance and rich in time we will retire G36 also.:roll:

Hoverhind
06-06-2012, 07:38 PM
Yeah, but then the money invested and the expertise developed stay in Croatia. I hope that optics developed by Ruđer Bošković Institute will eventualy be used as standard, but so far only the Minister got to handle a rifle equippped with them. It also shouldn't be much of a problem developing a SAW variant of the VHS with a heavier barrell. Not a full LMG, but a variant like the M27 IAR that is replacing SAWs in the USMC.

I missed that Ultimax photo. Assuming that bringing a couple of them along for the exercise could be done, then it might have been a problem with integrating MILES system. Or the soldiers simply wanted to use weapons they are familiar with. Unlike VHS, we're not trying to sell the Ultimax so it would probably be up to exercise commander.
Whatever the case, Ultimaxs were bought in very low numbers and around 100 sounds plausible. If I remember correctly they were ordered specifically for ATVP during the war.

Also:

http://www.vjesnik.hr/Article.aspx?ID=1B705428-6269-4AEF-BF37-62A6D0D3BC85

Apparently there has been no word of modernizing MiGs. Looks like we'll be getting second hand fighters. Dutch F-16s, Swedish Gripens, Hungarian MiG-29s and Israeli F-16s are the contenders.

Some funds have been set aside for new fighters in next years budget and the contracts will have to bee signed before we enter EU to not complicate offset clause.

SAWs have much lower priority than fighters and patrol boats. I wouldn't hold my breath about getting those, in 4-5 years maybe, if the M-84D modernisation planned for that timeframe doesn't roll over them, which it should in my opinion.

SATNIK
06-06-2012, 07:58 PM
Ok you have some points there.. but, nothing can replace belt fed firepower, except maybe Ultimax with 100 round drum. It is nothing to sell but to have same caliber lmg in the Patria platoon. SAWs aint gonna get repleced in USMC they just wanted hk416 and they got it.thats all.
And Ultimax was in use all over Special Police.Guards Brig.Zdrug and MP. Would You buy 100 of them and go to war or even bother for that many to even buy them.

Gvozdansko 1578.
06-06-2012, 08:18 PM
This pic is from 2011 or even 2012 TRSTV course that was held so fresh pic. And that list of 100 Ultimax from wikipedia is a bit low. And even if 100 is still alive that is enough for patria crews not to mention for IR12.
http://i45.*******.com/2akdb3b.jpg

Give us a break with that political phrases..at a end of this year, or next year we will start..just wait for the next year for nothing to happen as usual.
But there is money in the budget for musical instruments 250.000kn or heir hairdressing salons 170.000kn and many crap like that pssss. but not for a 20-50 lmg.

And there are no Croatian saw in Afganistan only that they fire them on the range from US or other countries.

P.S. lmg is called Ultimax 100,so probably that nomber is on wiki from that name..and that list says M40 sniper riflle even we only use Steyer SSG69 but I guess they look a like so now we end up have M40.
I completely agree regarding SAW.
Just compare this photo (http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/3733/im120606201206.jpg) - and this photo (http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7081/7315634228_baf0b1335d_b.jpg),
In last 16 years we could have obtained proper SAW (in the same time we did Bell and Pilatus for example), but nooo...

So in 2012. we're still stuck with JNA leftovers instead of this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_MAG) or this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinmetall_MG3) :grin: (those are not lmg but neither is M84, yugo PK variant). BTW, sorry for wiki links, they were closest...

RTOP Vukovar arrives in Koper (Adrion Livex 12)
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/9858/p8fd156c1e4.jpg



Deno nobody said he is a Croatian solider ,but do you know there is a Croatian core of BiH Armed Forces and that is 1 Guards Infantry Regiment.

Here is that fact even more visible, they've even adopted the US colleague :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jTyb60hC2eY

Hoverhind
06-06-2012, 08:22 PM
4,700 M27 IAR have been ordered to replace the M249. Naturally, debates rage over loss of suppresive firepower, but it's a done deal.

As individuals were transfered to different units, they took their weapons with them. In any case, neither you nor I have access to actual Ultimax inventory, and I'm afraid that there isn't anyone in the military who would know the exact number. What we can agree on is that there is far to few of them to equip the Croatian Army and that nobody will try to order more.

Regarding SAW, I think that a IAR variant of the VHS would be the best way to go. Fed with a quad-column magazine which can hold 60 or 100 rounds, it would offer firepower, accuracy and maneuverability in a common platform while creating more jobs and technical know-how in our industry. It would also turn the VHS from a rifle into an actual višenamjenski weapon system.

Gvozdansko 1578.
06-06-2012, 08:34 PM
Also:
http://www.vjesnik.hr/Article.aspx?ID=1B705428-6269-4AEF-BF37-62A6D0D3BC85

Apparently there has been no word of modernizing MiGs. Looks like we'll be getting second hand fighters. Dutch F-16s, Swedish Gripens, Hungarian MiG-29s and Israeli F-16s are the contenders.

Some funds have been set aside for new fighters in next years budget and the contracts will have to bee signed before we enter EU to not complicate offset clause.
I hope that we're not going to be first NATO member state that will buy Russian planes. All others like Poland, Slovakia, Hungary already had them when they've joined the Alliance.
That Russian offer of Hungarian 29s (which seem to be in rahter poor state) is well... person that holds the title of first vice-premier seems to be rooting for it.. and that alone stinks to high heaven.
And don't forget that he has serious issues with Hungarian judiciary system ;-)

If second-hand procurement is to be done, and Swedish allegedly now offer only new versions of JAS-39, then it would be politicaly wise to go for POR-NL offer.


Regarding SAW, I think that a IAR variant of the VHS would be the best way to go. Fed with a quad-column magazine which can hold 60 or 100 rounds, it would offer firepower, accuracy and maneuverability in a common platform while creating more jobs and technical know-how in our industry. It would also turn the VHS from a rifle into an actual višenamjenski weapon system.
Absolutely - and HS Produkt will have quite a gamma of products.

Hyde
06-06-2012, 08:35 PM
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So in 2012. we're still stuck with JNA leftovers instead of this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_MAG) or this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinmetall_MG3) :grin: (those are not lmg but neither is M84, yugo PK variant).

The PKM/M84/Pecheng is a better machinegun than both of them. It delivers the same or higher firepower (7,62x54R round) while being much lighter and more compact, with at least the same or even better reliability, and better ergonomics. So ultimately, it is a better weapon in all respects and not worse in any aspect. But no, it has to be "Western", otherwise it's not good for the self-esteem and that's the most important, no matter if it's a better weapon...gotta feel "Western"....gotta feel like being part of the "West".... this Eastern European allergy against itself is really ridiculous :D

Hoverhind
06-06-2012, 08:42 PM
Hyde has a point, M84 is much newer than either of those. That and the fact that we have huge amounts of ammo for it and a large stock of the weapons themselves is why I think they are here to stay for the near future.

Gvozdansko 1578.
06-06-2012, 08:49 PM
The PKM/M84/Pecheng is a better machinegun than both of them. It delivers the same or higher firepower (7,62x54R round) while being much lighter and more compact, with at least the same or even better reliability, and better ergonomics. So ultimately, it is a better weapon in all respects and not worse in any aspect. But no, it has to be "Western", otherwise it's not good for the self-esteem and that's the most important, no matter if it's a better weapon...gotta feel "Western"....gotta feel like being part of the "West".... this Eastern European allergy against itself is really ridiculous :D
OK, we could argue about Croatia being full fledged East European country since Vienna or Venice are closer to most of Croatian cities than Warsaw or Kiev and you will not find many Croatians to consider themselves Easteurpoeans but never mind that.

But, for example MG3 would feel almost like domestic animal since former Yugoslavia produced its own variant of MG42 (CZ M53, šarac).
It was a heavy piece,surely, but loved nonetheless.


Hyde has a point, M84 is much newer than either of those. That and the fact that we have huge amounts of ammo for it and a large stock of the weapons themselves is why I think they are here to stay for the near future.
I bet that both Lithuania and Estonia had fair share of PK and ammo and still went for western replacement.
Much newer? Did we buy some M84s or PK after the war from Zastava Kragujevac or Russia?
If not we're talking about almost 25-30 yrs old weapons while much recent MG3 can be found in Turkey for example where it is produced.

Not to mention CZ M72 that was also on Slunj today.

But, the best way is to gradually replace both of those with HS Produkt solutions.
VHS in SAW version or something completely new designed by them.

Hyde
06-06-2012, 08:56 PM
But, for example MG3 would feel almost like domestic animal since former Yugoslavia produced its own variant of MG42 (CZ M53, šarac).

And replaced them with the M84, probably for good reasons. :)

Gvozdansko 1578.
06-06-2012, 09:08 PM
And replaced them with the M84, probably for good reasons. :)
Instead of German licensed machine gun they've started producing Soviet licensed machine gun :-)
Joking aside, of course they went for more contemporary weapon.

But, in defense of old M53 - they still did a decent work in 1990s, no doubt about that. ;-)

Hoverhind
06-06-2012, 09:19 PM
I bet that both Lithuania and Estonia had fair share of PK and ammo and still went for western replacement.
Much newer? Did we buy some M84s or PK after the war from Zastava Kragujevac or Russia?
If not we're talking about almost 25-30 yrs old weapons while much recent MG3 can be found in Turkey for example where it is produced.

I meant the design of M84 being 30 years newer, not the individual weapons.

Psycho☻
06-07-2012, 03:21 AM
I've read (don't know exactly where) that HS Produkt will design its own machinegun for the Croatian Armed Forces, but because of a smaller number of weapons required, they will go for some licensed version.

fiorellabel
06-07-2012, 07:32 AM
I agree with Hyde: if a 5.56 mm domestic developed rifle make a hella lotlot of sense, buying a foreign developed 7,62mm Nato LMG to substitute more powerful7,62 russian or 7,92 german weaponry makes absolutely none.
Another deal is keeping on with development of VHS, a quick change barrel would not be so difficult to implement and 60-rounds mag also.

Altought the M27 IAR seems me absolutely lovely: it even sport a barrel a cm longer than VHS (-k version obviously):bash:

Gvozdansko 1578.
06-07-2012, 09:27 AM
More on IR 12

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRBL09xs018

fiorellabel
06-07-2012, 11:53 AM
More on IR 12

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRBL09xs018

Excellent video, only way to better it would be put slow motion feature on it.
Ithink i've noted a thing: portability is not only a question about overall lenght, when running with a bullpup rifle, weapon stay totally inside body silhouette, while with even a short M4 carbine not.

Hoverhind
06-08-2012, 05:43 PM
Special Operation Battalion conducts special operations basic training, also know as Commando training.

This class started a few weeks ago at Josip Jović barracks in Udbina, and Hrvatski Vojnik reporters visited 10 days into training and four days into "hell week", a period when the candidates are pushed to their physical and psychological breaking point. Out of 85 candidates who comprised this class, only 33 remain after ten days.

They still have to endure over 50 days of training split into four phases: month long drill phase when they learn basics of special ops, parachuting, CQC, weapons and explosives familiarization, combat swimming etcetera, followed by 10 day amphibious phase, 10 day mountain warfare phase and two week urban combat and hostage rescue phase.

The final, three week phase simulates operating behind enemy lines. Candidates are given objectives and missions before being sent into the wilderness with no food or water and have to survive for three weeks on their own, conducting recon and other missions while evading BSD teams hunting them.
The last phase finishes with three days of interrogation in a simulated prison camp.

http://www.hrvatski-vojnik.hr/

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/9871/velika.jpg

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/7878/wil9626.jpg

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Svi so pozvani, rijetki su odabrani.

Gvozdansko 1578.
06-09-2012, 10:51 AM
Closing of Immediate Response 2012.

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/7162/ir1t.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4457/ir2w.jpg

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/4408/ir5e.jpg

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9050/ir6c.jpg

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/7222/ir3hx.jpg

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/906/ir4w.jpg

SATNIK
06-11-2012, 05:35 PM
How do some people still believe that there is no money in the MOD Budget for a light machine gun Let's take a look at the MOD's procurement plan from 2010:
Business relationships (contracts),of MOD and small catering businesses and restaurants. Already at first glance we can see that for this "business ***********" in the year 2010 Budget MOD ensure founds of practical ONE million Euro, and at the end it really paid "only" about 500 thousand euros.
link on Croatian http://obris.org/hrvatska/morh-javne-nabave-2010-al-se-nekad-dobro-jelo-bas/
The recorder of such contracts is the restaurant Robert near the Udbina base and was paid 1 146 964kn

Gvozdansko 1578 You just pick the wrong choice of machine gun thats all. Just from this theft from 2010 they could have bought for HV
this:http://i47.*******.com/jkkohu.jpghttp://i49.*******.com/2s0lsg2.jpg
and big brother in 7.62: http://i48.*******.com/2qvyxas.jpg

But as always in the Croatian MOD has other priorities and their last is the weapons for the soldiers. So will continue to send troops in EU battle groups to use the old Yugo RPK and PKM in inappropriate calibres and old sniper rifles from Homeland war.

:oops:

Mujo2000
06-11-2012, 05:54 PM
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/2298/591975.jpg

So, Albanian and Montenegrin troops participating in the IR 12 have been issued with VHS (precisely VHS-D1 and VHS-K1) while Slovene and BiH Army (Croatian component) use their own weapons.
Is the reason that standard assault rifle of MNE and ALB armies is still the one based on AK and not within NATO standard?

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Awww, just like in the good ol days. Montenegrins fighting Croatians.