M203 a crew served weapon??

[Seiran]

Was just on another forum and a supposed NG now going active Army had told someone that the M203 was a crew served weapon. I'm not in the Army (not yet or for lack of trying) but I was under the impression this was an individual weapon.


A 203 is known as a crew served weapon. SF teams are generally very small and need all the firepower that they can readily carry. a 203 on a M4 is ideal because it gives each member of that team a light crew served weapon and is helpful for a member to hit machine gun nests and light vehicles.

So, is he just full of it, or is the 203 really a crew served weapon?

PS

Sorry is this is the wrong section. It was either here or General and I figured I'd be safer in here.

[ed316]

A 203 is an individual weapon., but the MK 19 he was probably talking about is crew served.

[Eddo36]

http://www.army.mil/fact_files_site/m203/images/m203grenade.gif
Looks like it's gonna take a crew to fire that weapon. And the M203 is just the left portion of it.

[Seiran]

I figured as much. Thanks for the reply. And I edited the first post with what he said so everyone could see.

Further comments welcome.

[ed316]

http://www.army.mil/fact_files_site/m203/images/m203grenade.gif
Looks like it's gonna take a crew to fire that weapon. And the M203 is just the left portion of it.

If it takes more than one person to use the 203 then you have no business being in the military

[angry cow]

Anybody see the picture of the airsofter that use a rail system to put like 3 M203s on his airsoft m4. Oh man that cracked my **** up.

[TacoDelRio]

Anybody see the picture of the airsofter that use a rail system to put like 3 M203s on his airsoft m4. Oh man that cracked my **** up.

Hey c'mon that's my dad!

;)

[Vandervahn]

He said: A 203 is known as a crew served weapon.

Then he said: a 203 on a M4 is ideal because it gives each member of that team a light crew served weapon ...

Kind of contradictory, hmm? How could a crew served weapon be available to each member of a group? And does he really expect that the soldiers fire their M4s individually but need a helper to operate the M203? I think he doesnt know what a crew served weapon is.

I dont know what the exact US Army definiton is, but mine would be: A weapon system that shares two or more of the following characteristics: its highly specialized; it needs two or more operators for effective use; is too heavy/bulky to be transported by one man alone; it can be used in a strategic role (like mortars); is not used in an ordinary squad.

The transition from individual to crew served weapon can be fluent, for example you CAN operate a Stinger, Javelin or M60 alone, but usually you need help to be sufficiently effective, be it a spotter, a radio operator or someone who carries the ammunition/additional gear. OTO a sniper rifle could be counted to crew served weaponry under some circumstances, but as I said, the definition is not rigid.

A M203 is decidedly NOT a crew served weapon, its more a specialized form of the old rifle grenades whose purpose was to give the INDIVIDUAL soldier the means to use grenades beyond their throwing distance.

[TacoDelRio]

Maybe someone mounted a Mk19 to an M4? ;)

THAT, would be gangster!

[ZaakM433]

Maybe someone mounted a Mk19 to an M4? ;)

THAT, would be gangster!

especially since the torque while firing the mk19 is enough to flip a small car..

[TacoDelRio]

especially since the torque while firing the mk19 is enough to flip a small car..

That's where the bunjee cords come into play!

[FN SLS]

That's where the bunjee cords come into play!
:bash: :bash: :bash:

[TacoDelRio]

:bash: :bash: :bash:

Psh! I've nearly had to use a bunjee cord to hold an FN M249 trigger group into the reciever!

OOOOOOHHH!!!!!!! ;)

Just messing with ya. I like FN. And that was a very, very tired old SAW.

[sickofpretenders]

especially since the torque while firing the mk19 is enough to flip a small car..

Maybe a toy car

[Creeper]

If it takes more than one person to use the 203 then you have no business being in the military

LOL > Here is the scene: Dude sez, "Hey man, "I need some help here - this thing is kinda heavy and awkward"- "when I slide this tube forward, will you take one of those round things off my chest and stick it inside the open hole below the tube?"

[ZaakM433]

Maybe a toy car

no... a normal car...

[sickofpretenders]

did you read that in a novel?

[ZaakM433]

nope - it was either a field manual or a website that calculated the torque that the mk19 would generate while firing.

[gaz]

especially since the torque while firing the mk19 is enough to flip a small car..
So what about the ones that are just mounted on a tripod?

http://www.jrtc-polk.army.mil/519th/myweb4/204th%20Pictures/Mk%2019.JPG

Either that guy weighs more than a small car or they somehow anchor it to the floor....

[California Joe]

That would be those really big thumbtacks.

[Bob Lawbla]

For those of you who didn't know...Here is the definition of torque.

Torque...When you wake up in the morning with a huge piss ***** and go to the bathroom to take a leak. You push your ***** down to pee into the toilet and your feet kick out from under you and you bust your face on the said toilet.....Torque.

I'm here to help.

[Seraphim]

But he read it on the internet, it has to be true...

[ed316]

The average recoil force for a mk 19 is 500 lbs and the muzzle velocity is 798 fps. The rounds are not comaptible. One comes out at a higher velocity than the other. A 203's velocity is 250 fps

[TacoDelRio]

For those of you who didn't know...Here is the definition of torque.

Torque...When you wake up in the morning with a huge piss ***** and go to the bathroom to take a leak. You push your ***** down to pee into the toilet and your feet kick out from under you and you bust your face on the said toilet.....Torque.

I'm here to help.

So if I use a torque wrench, I don't have to wait for Mr. Happy to point south to take a piss?

[sickofpretenders]

nope - it was either a field manual or a website that calculated the torque that the mk19 would generate while firing.

You need to be more carefull about what you read buddy:

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9132/dsc001051es.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[ZaakM433]

You need to be more carefull about what you read buddy:

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9132/dsc001051es.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


thats mounted on a fairly large truck

u wouldnt mount a weapon that EASILY generates 500 pounds of torque on a yugo or a mini
and I said SMALL CAR!

[LibertyUnites]

so... what about that tripod mounted one then?

[Seiran]

I know you wouldn't, but I'd damn sure mount one on a mini. Mini's are the sweetest rides on the planet, adding a mk19 grenade launcher would just add to it's babe appeal.

Let's face it, what girl in her right mind can say no to heavy weapons?

[Scrim]

So, If that dude is heavier than a car, he's a witch. Right?

[Seraphim]

So, If that dude is heavier than a car, he's a witch. Right?

No, he would be a wizard...jeez, get it right! :bash:

[sickofpretenders]

thats mounted on a fairly large truck

u wouldnt mount a weapon that EASILY generates 500 pounds of torque on a yugo or a mini
and I said SMALL CAR!

Dude its mounted high on a toyota that has been cut down. That is a light vehicle and mounted where it is it has more leverage. Mounted twice as high=twice as much leverage, something you havent considered in your listening to internet geeks calculations.

500lbs of recoil would not flip a small car and the torque is a fraction of that. Do you actually understand what you are writing?

[Seiran]

Off the new topic here but, are those the M40 grenades from Aliens in your avatar SoP?

[TacoDelRio]

So, If that dude is heavier than a car, he's a witch. Right?

She turned him into a newt!

[TyroneBiggums]

SEALS mount MK19's and M2's on their buggy's and are able fire them at the same time, i doubt that a small car would flip with just a mk19 if their buggy's dont.

[nagant_m44]

No, he would be a wizard...jeez, get it right! :bash:

no he would be a warlock ya jackass :bash: :bash:
p-)

[StukaJr]

500 lbs recoil force? That is perhaps the total recoil force generated - partially absorbed by the cycle of the action, the weight of the weapon, the mount and then the vehicle. You are forgeting about the Gravity - adult male carries about 500-600 pounds applied by gravity alone (depending on the shoulder width and square footage the body represents top down)... It's High School physics.
A NFL football tackle generates 400-500 lbs of force and more - does it mean that a NFL player can walk down the street tackling the small cars over? If 500 lbs of force tackles a car over - all the freeways would be straight, as the turn generates a lot more pressure then the car's weight. That is absorbed by Shocks and Struts in a car - even if the recoil of Mk19 is 500 pounds - the standard Coup Shock can compress and absorb a weight of a ton and more...
Get two 250 lbs guys and stand them on the hood and the trunk of a Yugo (on the right edge for example) - make them jump at the same time. Would the car flip over? 500 lbs guys cannot jump, so that's useless

[sir-chimp]

Dude its mounted high on a toyota that has been cut down. That is a light vehicle and mounted where it is it has more leverage. Mounted twice as high=twice as much leverage, something you havent considered in your listening to internet geeks calculations.

500lbs of recoil would not flip a small car and the torque is a fraction of that. Do you actually understand what you are writing?


Havent they mounted them on those little desert dune buggys?

[ZaakM433]

Dude its mounted high on a toyota that has been cut down. That is a light vehicle and mounted where it is it has more leverage. Mounted twice as high=twice as much leverage, something you havent considered in your listening to internet geeks calculations.

500lbs of recoil would not flip a small car and the torque is a fraction of that. Do you actually understand what you are writing?

U guys disgust me... since when does anyone take me seriously? u r not supposed to take me seriously

(just kidding)

But I was just trying with my original post to illustrate that even if you could carry a mk19 u couldnt countrol its firing... I do admit that I may have slightly exagarated my example - but I wasnt publishing a physics white paper...

[akmarksman]

*dies of laughter*

I wonder what kinda gas mileage that soldier gets when he ain't sittin' on that Mark19....