Uninen

[Jack Mehoff]

This guy is "out" there some where. I don't think he's from Earth though. Normally, i would argue with idiots, but this guy is only making me laugh more :lol:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8405&start=20


1. Kurds arent savages.

2. they knew that they would get benefits from capturing Saddam.

3. It was Kurdish special unit that captured him.

Uninen wrote:
And Saddam also wasnt half as bad as you are led to belive..
All the 'innocents' he killed usually were of some rebel / terrorist group..

Hitler wasnt a tyrant..

He was chosen by the people,

And LOVED BY THEM..

[cut]

Looks like Unien's got a fan. p-)

[Uninen]

:cantbeli:

Whatever..

Study some history books..

And youll learn how did Mr.Hitler come to power, and Germans did love him.

(I do know about the ****ed up and sick things that Nazis did, but HIS people did love him at the time..)

:cantbeli:

And Saddams capture,

Well..

It went as i said.

Kurds captured, US picked up.

I posted you all **** load of links and info about that, feel free to study.

:lol:

[Jack Mehoff]

Yeah, the Kurds get all the hot chicks if they give Saddam to U.S.

as stated

There wouldn't be nothing left of Saddam if the Kurds did captured him. This is like saying what would happen to Hitler if the Russian got their hands on him alive; I think we already have the answer for that

[Uninen]

What happened is history, besides:

Isnt it the most important thing that his captured?

With help from your friends..

That is not a bad thing, just the way it happened.

[jamesp]

The one thing I noticed about this guy is,

he really likes writing in

those short-ass

paragraphs.


Yeah I read those articles you posted about Saddam. Weren't they all based off of a reprot from some ****ty British tabloid? Those things arent exactly the most reliable news source. Also, did you know Tupac is alive? Wierd.

[Fulcrum]

it seems that you are quite popular here uninen :P ;)

[Fulcrum]

anyway, this thread is just for flame bating, someone should delete this :roll: :bash:

[Uninen]

Also, did you know Tupac is alive? Wierd.

Is he?

Weird..

rofl

(not really he isnt..)

Also,

Im not a fan, so wouldnt care anyhow..

;)

And no..

The '****' is from AFP and Kurds own TV Station, what btw was the first one to report the whole capture..

I have that on my comp..

;)

Also,

If i had to chose from two sources..

Pentagon or UK tabloid.. i would chose later..

:|

[Vance]

Stop...

typing...


everything....

this...

way..

[StarvingStudent47]

You think that's his worst, Jack? Check out this classic Uninen post, where he says that many of the Nazi higher-ups were in fact Jews (including Hitler himself). And of course,

it's

in

classic

Uninen

formatting:


"Dr. Josef Mengele"

Just look at that name time and again.. until you get it..

Josef..

Josef..

Josef..

Josef..

Josef..

Good old Dr. was himself a Jew.

Josef is a Jewish name.

Whats up with that..

Also theres much talk about Hitler himself being a Jew..

Whats up with that?

Just wondering..

And about the post..

To who these things actually were a news?

Ive known about Mengele and the horrible things he did and how since i was 6 years old..

And no..

I am not a Jew, nor is anybody in my family either..

:|

Its just that this all is very basic..

Sadly so..

[NcDeuce]

Unien lost his ***** in a terrible farming accident. He now reads 'Hitler was really a good Jew' books.

[Uninen]

:lol: ;)

[stuntman]

Hitler being a Austrian jew is actually kinda true!

Well unien is definetly sore at the US I wonder why? Maybe it has to do with his country sucking?
I figure he would understand that language!
And don't reply with something like " How do we suck , what proof?"
Well what proof you have that means it isn't true?
Gravitate around that you nazi loving puto!

[soma]

Sure people loved Hitler.... with a gun to their children's head.

[Uninen]

stuntman,

What do you mean?

Do you even know from where i am?

Cause if you did, you wouldnt say that the place im from sucks..

Cause: Everything here is better than in your loved USA, hell we even have more 'freedom' and 'democrazy' here..

Not to mention better education and living standards..

rofl

[stuntman]

Look it's true I don't know where your from. The reason for this is because mostlikly its probrably a piss poor socialistic country in europe that I donot really care for! Hence my justification to my last post...

[James]

I have memories of the Iraqi information minister, Comical Ali, from last spring.

"The tyrant Americans are dying in flames in the desert."

Rumble rumble as an Abrams rolls by outside.

"The Americans are nowhere near Baghdad."

Americans were conducting a thunder run through the city.

We need a new forum here, for alternative history. Now that could be fun!

[mack pl]

In your Finlandia everything is better.Cool.Maybe you should have some better dictator than Saddam was.Few years with thisfriendly finnish dictator and you will known what the freedom is. BTW Hitler,hmmm. maybe germans voted for him,but Poles,Czechs,etc.. NO! So, he was DICTATOR.Dont you think his power in Germany was very big,he wasnt like Shroeder now.He could do almost everything. Pozdro ;)

[GazB]

Sure people loved Hitler.... with a gun to their children's head.


Hahahahahahaha.... very funny. Hitler made us elect him... hitler dragged Germany out of the worst economic depression in its history... I have seen photos of german children making kites out of thousand deutsch mark notes because they were cheaper than buying paper to make kites from. You needed a wheelbarrow of money to buy a loaf of bread...

They elected him and loved him... he restored Germany to the great power it once was and defeated France in about 6 weeks. It was the invasion of the Soviet Union that turned things around and even then not initially. It was only later when transfer to the eastern front and allied bombing of germany made them thing perhaps they might have made a mistake. TV and Movies of the period depicted Jews and other groups as inferior and such propaganda was believed by the general public. They thought they were more worthy of the land to the east than those who were already there were. Right up until the real truth about the death camps etc most Germans were very patriotic. Many American and British units captured German soldiers that had surrendered to offer their services to attack the Soviets. They were arrested and put in POW camps of course.

[mustamato]

Uninen wrote:

1. Kurds arent savages.

2. they knew that they would get benefits from capturing Saddam.

3. It was Kurdish special unit that captured him.

Hitler wasnt a tyrant..

He was chosen by the people,

And LOVED BY THEM..


I don´t get it. I know that Jack Me Off isn´t the most educated person in
this world, joined up when he was 17 and all. But man read some books,
Hitler was elected yes, do people vote on someone they don´t like
usually?

Btw "uni" is "dream" in finnish and "nen" is just a typical ending of a
surname, like the yugoslav "ic", the scandinavian "son" and so forth.
So maybe he is the man of your dreams, a nightmare, or have insight
and knowledge in things that you only have dreamed about :)

[Roger Rabbit]

If we're talking about Hitler and how he got elected then thats good. I've got to do some work about that stuff.

In brief from what i've learnt.

Hitler was not elected into power.

In the May 5 elections of 1932, Hindenburg defeated Hitler 53% to 37% for the presidency.

July31 elections the Nazis won 230 seats with 37% of the vote and became the largest German party, but dropped to 33% in the Nov. 6 elections.

Hitler made Chancellor Jan. 30, 1933, with the help of von Papen. So the German public did not make Hitler Chancellor, Papen pursuaded Hindenburg to do that.

In the March 5, 1933 elections, the National Socialist German Workers' Party won 43.9% and 288 of 647 seats in the Reichstag. (remember the left wing parties in Germany were incredibly divided and were not united in the manner in which the Right Wing was. The Communist party was also divided due to Stalin sticking his nose in and telling them not to interfere with Hitler coming to power, seriously i'm not kidding you. Theres loads of other reasons for Hitlers support and i can go into it in detail if anyone wants but i'll keep it short for the time being.)

Enabling Act March 23 made Hitler dictator.

When Hindenburg(President of the Wiemar Republic) died then Hitler immediately used his powers to become dictator.

In summary, Hiter was never elected into power(he never had the 2/3 majority to control the Reichstag, he often had to make coalitions with other right-wing parties to boost up his support) he used situations of circumstance and oppotunities to become dictator.

I can write in annoying mini-paragraphs to.

[Ian H]

Roger Rabbit is absolutely correct.

On with the show...

[Kenshin]

uninen..

go get some red pill..

its time you get off the matrix..

[Jack Mehoff]

Uninen wrote:

1. Kurds arent savages.

2. they knew that they would get benefits from capturing Saddam.

3. It was Kurdish special unit that captured him.

Hitler wasnt a tyrant..

He was chosen by the people,

And LOVED BY THEM..


I don´t get it. I know that Jack Me Off isn´t the most educated person in
this world, joined up when he was 17 and all. But man read some books,
Hitler was elected yes, do people vote on someone they don´t like
usually?

Btw "uni" is "dream" in finnish and "nen" is just a typical ending of a
surname, like the yugoslav "ic", the scandinavian "son" and so forth.
So maybe he is the man of your dreams, a nightmare, or have insight
and knowledge in things that you only have dreamed about :)

I don't get it either. Why did you quoted me on something that Uninen wrote?

[Haiw]

Something I should note on how Hitler could come into power. He basically got in mostly by the democratic way (though there's some 'sidenotes', see Ruperts post), however, as soon as he got into power he basically made himself a dictator, and established himself like an unchallengable power.

However, you have to admit, in the early years he DID manage to pull Germany out of the gutter the pact of Versailles left it in. He DID manage to fix most of the unemployment issues etc. etc. So maybe that explains why, in the beginning, most of people DID actually love Hitler. However, that was also when most of his more darker plans weren't really clear.

[Seoulstriker]

If we're talking about Hitler and how he got elected then thats good. I've got to do some work about that stuff.

In brief from what i've learnt.

Hitler was not elected into power.

In the May 5 elections of 1932, Hindenburg defeated Hitler 53% to 37% for the presidency.

July31 elections the Nazis won 230 seats with 37% of the vote and became the largest German party, but dropped to 33% in the Nov. 6 elections.

Hitler made Chancellor Jan. 30, 1933, with the help of von Papen. So the German public did not make Hitler Chancellor, Papen pursuaded Hindenburg to do that.

In the March 5, 1933 elections, the National Socialist German Workers' Party won 43.9% and 288 of 647 seats in the Reichstag. (remember the left wing parties in Germany were incredibly divided and were not united in the manner in which the Right Wing was. The Communist party was also divided due to Stalin sticking his nose in and telling them not to interfere with Hitler coming to power, seriously i'm not kidding you. Theres loads of other reasons for Hitlers support and i can go into it in detail if anyone wants but i'll keep it short for the time being.)

Enabling Act March 23 made Hitler dictator.

When Hindenburg(President of the Wiemar Republic) died then Hitler immediately used his powers to become dictator.

In summary, Hiter was never elected into power(he never had the 2/3 majority to control the Reichstag, he often had to make coalitions with other right-wing parties to boost up his support) he used situations of circumstance and oppotunities to become dictator.

I can write in annoying mini-paragraphs to.


* cracks the whip *

excellent job, rupert. :D :hug:

[mustamato]

Yep. Thanks for the detailed info Rupert. But it´s kinda wordtwisting, Hitler was the leader of the biggest party, so in fact he was the democratically elected leader (meaning, he had the last word since Hindenburg did not oppose Hitler although he was not a fan of him)? Although, as you say, he and his party didn´t have majority. But Hitler wasn´t interested in democracy, and he never claimed to be either, just a way to get to power. Personally I think he was good for Germany, until he began annexing countries, and finally to attack them.

But it takes two to dance tango, in many germans eyes the demand for Lebensraum became justified due to the other countries aggressive imperialism. And germans (or the germanic tribes) are after all, in a historical context really european, in example the first french king was a dude from a germanic tribe, we here in Sweden are more or less germanic etc etc.

See Jack, what you can learn by reading stuff on this forum :D

[Roger Rabbit]

In 1932 only 37% wanted Hitler to be the President of Germany. This is not a case of being chosen or being loved by most German people. Hitler was never voted to be the leader of Germany. That is not word twisting that is the truth.

I also agree that Hitler benefitted many Germans from 1933 to 1939. However the long term consequences of his policies had he not gone to war may have cause more damage than good.

[OldRecon]

As for one example Erhard Milch, one of Goerings right hand men i the Luftwaffe was a actually a jew.
Josef Goebels perhaps wasn't a jew, despite his name, but he shure's reputed to have a soft spot for raven haired women (most off his several mistresses on the side at least were raven haired).
As for Adolf himself he doens't exactly look like a tall blonde aryan either or what?
On the other hand there was a book released recently proclaiming that many in the Nazi leadership actually were closet homos (Hitler and Hess included).
Oskar Dirlewanger perhaps wasn't a closet homo, but he shure was a pedophile and had protegees high up in the ranks of the Nazi regime (was it Ernst Kaltenbruner).
Goering perhaps were neither homo nor pedophile, though he shure was addicted to morphine.
And as for that guy the Nazis commemorate in that "die Fahne hoch" song, I've heard from somewhere that he actually made a living as a pimp, when he was killed during some political brawl during the 20's (either the Burgenbraukeller coup, or in a fight with communists at a political rally).


You think that's his worst, Jack? Check out this classic Uninen post, where he says that many of the Nazi higher-ups were in fact Jews (including Hitler himself). And of course,

it's

in

classic

Uninen

formatting:


"Dr. Josef Mengele"

Just look at that name time and again.. until you get it..

Josef..

Josef..

Josef..

Josef..

Josef..

Good old Dr. was himself a Jew.

Josef is a Jewish name.

Whats up with that..

Also theres much talk about Hitler himself being a Jew..

Whats up with that?

Just wondering..

And about the post..

To who these things actually were a news?

Ive known about Mengele and the horrible things he did and how since i was 6 years old..

And no..

I am not a Jew, nor is anybody in my family either..

:|

Its just that this all is very basic..

Sadly so..

[Roger Rabbit]

Horst Wessel. Killed in a fight over a Prostitute. A song he wrote became the Nazi Anthem. Also had a boat named after him. Was a member of the SA for a bit.

Goering had an addiction to morphine after he was wounded in World War 1.

Goebels had several mistresses including a famous actor. Hitler was non too happy about this as Goebels had a family and he[Hitler] was trying to promote the Nazi's as a party with family values.

Liking someone who has a mistress with black hair is no basis for saying they do not hate Jews.

Most of the top Nazi leadership did not fit the Aryan description. That does not mean they were all Jews and Gay though. Saying top Nazis were Jewish or Gay is a great way to use controversal subjects to sell books. Shame they are usually a load of crap based on dubious sources, tedious links or fiction.

[Saranof]

Most of the top Nazi leadership did not fit the Aryan description. That does not mean they were all Jews and Gay though. Saying top Nazis were Jewish or Gay is a great way to use controversal subjects to sell books. Shame they are usually a load of crap based on dubious sources, tedious links or fiction.

What you say is true, however, Hitlers ******ity remains a mystery. According to his doctors, Hitler didn't like close contact. Thia of course must have had some dampening effect on his sexlife.. :)

[Uninen]

Most of the top Nazi leadership did not fit the Aryan description.

Using their own standards,

People like Himmler, Hitler and Goebbels..

Actually had nice place in gas chamber..

Cause by their own standards, they were something they would call as sub-humas..

Or at least close to that..

;)

[Roger Rabbit]

rofl :cantbeli: rofl :cantbeli: rofl :cantbeli:
So your saying that the Nazis went around sending masses of people to concentration camps just because they did not fit the Aryan description? Do you know how few people actually fit the aryan description?

[Uninen]

:roll:

Yes i do..

In fact there werent any 'pure' arians around, that why they had that program to breed perfect arians..

:petting:

But didnt you understand what i wrote?

:petting:

[Roger Rabbit]

Right i appreciate your not writing in your native language, but no i didnt understand what you wrote because its not that clear. What i think you said was that Hitler, Goebels and Himmler did not look like Aryans and so because of this they should have been sent to concentration camp.

[mustamato]

I´ve read somewhere that "Iran" means "the land of the arians" in old farsi.

Real arians?

http://www.democracyforiran.de/khomeini%20and%20khameini.jpg

Fake arian?

http://www.bibl.u-szeged.hu/bibl/mil/ww2/who/pics/goebbels.jpg

[Seoulstriker]

http://www.democracyforiran.de/khomeini%20and%20khameini.jpghttp://www.kennedy-center.org/programs/specialevents/honors/history/honoree/images/connery.jpg

no way!!! :)

[Uninen]

What i think you said was that Hitler, Goebels and Himmler did not look like Aryans and so because of this they should have been sent to concentration camp.

Yeah, or that nor where they any where near that..

And they best fitted to the 'model of sub-humas'..

The 'model' they themself invented.

[spectre5]

Come on, stop bitching about everything. If mr. Uninen thinks the way he thinks, who are you to judge his thoughts??? Come on.........

To Stuntman, you really seem like a bitch, so stop mocking people from 'a piss poor socialistic country in europe'. If you don't care about other countries, you still don't need to bash them.

And to all: "You don't have to like every person, but you have to deal with them".

t.
Antti Korpela

[anonymous individual]

Sure people loved Hitler.... with a gun to their children's head.

lol that is half true

[usa320]

I an sum this whole thread up in 4 scentences.

Nazis were gay. ANyone who supported the nazis or still supports what they did deserves an ass whomping. Hitler was the biggest cockbag in history. Uninen is the second biggest cockbag in history.




Oh, and by the way, what ever happened to mortimer?

p-)

[Uninen]

I didnt say that i support him, nor that i do.

(But thanks for the nomination.. woot )

Thats the problem with you Americans, one cant even discuss about him with you.. in civilized manner..

Funny i enough my Russian and Israeli friends dont have this huge problem with the subject.

One of my Israeli friends actually jokes about Mr.Hitler all the times, to the extend that its getting boring.

:cantbeli:

[usa320]

But thanks for the nomination..

IF YOU FIND WHAT HITLER DID SOMETHING TO BE THANKFUL FOR, OR SOMETHING TO LOOK UP TO, THEN YOU MY FRIEND, ARE A CANCER GROWING ON SOCIETY.

[Roger Rabbit]

Thats just great, for a change there might have been a respectable discussion in which i could have made respectable posts(would make for a change from my usual stuff :D) but you go and ruin the thread and start chucking random acusations around. Prat.

[usa320]

im not done yet-

You are an ungrateful piece of ****..you know that...if not for us fat, lazy, imperialist American pigs, your ass would be speaking German right now along with the rest of Europe- okay faggot, so Maybe its a good thing for you that you feel so highly of the nazis.

Now your gonna go on a ****fit about how ignorant and rude us Americans are with our potty mouths...


PLease save the oxygen for someone who deserves it.

Were American, were proud of it, we saved your asses, wed do it again if we had to. Accept it and move on, stop bitching. We dont give two ****s about anything your nazi ass says. No one likes attention whores here, find a new street corner to whore around at.

[Uninen]

:cantbeli:

[usa320]

:cantbeli:

Thats right, youve just been completely and utterly owned.

[Haiw]

Oh god I thought we were finally rid of that argument... :roll:

[Roger Rabbit]

Were American, were proud of it, we saved your asses, wed do it again if we had to. Accept it and move on, stop bitching. We dont give two ****s about anything your nazi ass says.

We, were,we'd.......so tell me USA what did you do in World War 2? Were you on Omaha? Making munitions in some factory? Some little kid collecting scrap metal for the war effort? Oh and i do give two ****s about what some says about the Nazis. If they are a Nazi then i care because it means they can be taugh why Nazis are bad or ignored depending in the circumstances. If they want to know more about the Nazis they can be educated.

Oh and do tell me where anyone has said they think highly of the Nazis. If you understood and history about the Nazis then you would have some respect for the way they rebuilt Germany from 1933-1939 as no other political party was able to do that. You can label me however you like but i know my history so i know what should be respected and the many many things that should not be respected about the Nazi party and i know that you know jack****. I said it before and i'll say it again, prat.

If your going to continue this argument then the least you can do is try and bring in some history and try and make this thread respectful again since it was you who ruined it.

[Resevoir Hogs]

HA Uniens been owned :fork:

:cantbeli:

You such an idiot unien go study history and you might get the right ideas about the world.

[Nunavut's sewage]

LMAO Unien is such a dumbass he got raped here

Everyone who is educated knows hitler was elected

Does that make him any less of a murderer or a dictator and a complete cancer on society, ppfff no.

He was and always will be one of the most evil persons alive and for someone living today to say he wasn't all that bad is simply sick.

I pity you Unien leave our forum and go ride the short bus.

[Roger Rabbit]

You didnt bother to read my posts did you. Ok just incase you did then i'm going to ask you the following question(you now have the time to read my posts and give the correct answer).


Everyone who is educated knows hitler was elected
When you say elected i hope you mean he was elected as leader of the NSDAP into the reichstag and i hope you do not mean as the leader of Germany. Please clarify.

[stuntman]

Come on, stop bitching about everything. If mr. Uninen thinks the way he thinks, who are you to judge his thoughts??? Come on.........

To Stuntman, you really seem like a bitch, so stop mocking people from 'a piss poor socialistic country in europe'. If you don't care about other countries, you still don't need to bash them.

And to all: "You don't have to like every person, but you have to deal with them".

t.
Antti Korpela


AWW are you mad at me because your country is piss poor to?

Just for calling me a bitch your country is now on the invasion list! :cantbeli:

On a serious note I think when you guys say that hitler was very efficient
it's a little disconcerning seriously! I think you guys are just being patriotic about your roots, being that most people from Finland or around that region happen to be German or German decent! It's ok to be proud of how well you guys fought againts the Russians in the past, but the hitler stuff is a little chillin! "I'm sure the devil can eat icecream to"
Figure that out.

laterz

[Roger Rabbit]

On a serious note I think when you guys say that hitler was very efficient
Well there is several debates about whether Hitler himself was a strong or weak leader, an efficient on inefficient leader. Won't go into thos unless you would like me to but if you would then i'd prefer you not to go about adding to the further destruction of this thread.

The Nazi party policies and the manner in which they were implement benefited the majority of Germans from 1933-1939. When you remember that from 1919-1933 no political coalition that was in power was able to do so much for Germany. That is not being pro-Nazi that is the basic truth. When you start looking deeper into it then you will find however that there were also many Germans who did not prosper so much. There were many bad things occuring such as the Night of the Long Knives where Hitler had the SS bump off a load of political opponants and many SA members. There was also the banning of the Communist party and later, other political parties and the inprisonment and "re-eduacation" of opponants. However although there were concentration camps in the 1930's it is important to remember they WERE NOTdeath camps. It is also important to remember that it was only from 1935 that laws started being brought about that started restrict things Jewish people could or could not do. There was no wide spread extermination program at this point in time.

But i have strayed from my original point. From 1933 the rate of unemployment dramatically decreased. This was because where there was not work then Hitler created work. He authorised the construction of the Auto Bahns, effectively the first motorways. There were organised(basically the first package holidays)holidays for workers. Something never done before. These included social events like going to the theatre or organised trips to the sea side. On the negatively side then civil rights were declining. Back to positive.

Hitler started rebuilding the military and said that he would not pay back any of the reparations which were due as stated by the Treaty of Versailles. The positive side of this.
1)It got many people employed and boosted the Germany economy
2)The reparations were crippling Germany and would have continued to do so until 1985(bear in mind that at this time it seemed unlikely that there would be a World War 2 to many people)
3)The Treaty of Versailles humiliated Germany and crippled Germany, in ignoring it then Hitler brought pride back to many Germans. If you imagine it was 1933 and you were a German and you heard that the most humiliating thing to happen to your country was to be ignored. Tell me you would not feel proud and happy.

Ok i have touched the ice barely with that post. Unfortunately due to the imaturity and ignorance of some people i now feel compelled to put in a disclaimer. I am not a Nazi, i do not support the Nazi's. I do know my hisory regarding the Nazis and if you know yours then feel free to discuss them with me. If you going to be a prat then go and be a prat somewhere else.

[Uninen]

Till 1985?

From where did you get that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles

When the Treaty of Versailles had been concluded, Germany was forced to pay the Allies £6,600,000,000; hand over all its colonies; accept all blame for the war (the War Guilt Clause); reduce the size of its armed forces (six warships, 100,000 infantry, and no air force); and give land to many countries, including Belgium, France, Denmark, and Poland.

:roll:

But thats 'old' money..

And its todays value.. what 100 or 1000x more?

:| :cantbeli:

[Roger Rabbit]

The Young Plan in 1929 reduced the total amount of repartions to be paid but spread the rest over a longer period meaning that Germany would only finish paying in 1929.

Don't get me started on the Treaty of Versailles. Too late i've started. Basically it failed big time. World War 2 is proof of that. The fact that in the 1920s British politicians did not support the French and Belgium(they were driven out by passive resistance which did huge amounts of damage to all concerned) invasion of the Ruhr and readily agreed to reduce the Repartions as well as not being willing to enforce some of the other clauses of the TOV(Treaty of Versailles will now be known as TOV) shows that the cost-benefit was too great from British interest and they were more concerned with getting Germany back on her feet for the reasons of trade and a bulwark against rising Communism. (talking of which Britain and a few other countries including France actually sent troops into Russian during the Civil War, betcha didnt know that) Anyway i'm too tired to continue for today.

[Nunavut's sewage]

I mean elected as in he eventually came to power by being elected to a leadership position.

Firstly I wasn't commenting to you and secondly I am neither inclined nor care to look into the history of the Nazi party enough to know those technicalities. I am not interested in them or Germany enough to read anything more than point form events of that disgusting man.

Since you are more knowledgable on that topic then my statement still stands as true.

[Falco]

Nice site by the way Uninen http://rfforces.phpbbhost1.info/index.php it's entertaining (except for the part where you cheer when US airmen died) :cantbeli:

[anonymous individual]

I think this thread belongs to the off topic section because it has come increasing funny to me. :backhand:

[Uninen]

(except for the part where you cheer when US airmen died) :cantbeli:

Talking about OH-58 downed?

I got little too excited about the fact that the stupid ass Iraqis could actually resist on more conventional (and on more less terrorist like..) manner than in blowing up civilians..

:oops:

And..

Its not my site anyways..

I just 'work there'..

;)

[Falco]

(except for the part where you cheer when US airmen died) :cantbeli:

Talking about OH-58 downed?

I got little too excited about the fact that the stupid ass Iraqis could actually resist on more conventional (and on more less terrorist like..) manner than in blowing up civilians..

:oops:

That too? No I was talking about the crew of the two Ah-64 that collided in Kosovo and the Ac-130 that was shot doen in Irak in the first gulf war. :cantbeli:

[Uninen]

I dont remember SAYING im glad that those persons died..

I was glad as the defenders got lucky, and managed to protect their airspace..

and their comrades lifes, which those AC-130 and AH-64s would have surely taken..

:bash:

[Falco]

Let me refresh your memory ;)

http://rfforces.phpbbhost1.info/viewtopic.php?t=6

[Uninen]

Yes,

I was 'cheering' for aircraft downed, not for people killed.

:|

But its not like i feel sorry for them, just try to remember how many Iraqis died in that war.

(About 2000 iraqis for every US KIA.. or even more..
and in Yugoslavia, NATO/US bombed mostly civilian targets, as the USAF didnt dare to challenge the Serbs effective low-level battle field air defences..)

:|

They too were persons, just like you, me and those aircrews..

:|

[Supra Action Robot]

As to the first comment in this post, I agree totally. Unien is... well... I have no ****ing clue how to describe him. Oh well, maybe if we ignore him he'll go away.

[StarvingStudent47]

Josef Goebels perhaps wasn't a jew, despite his name, but he shure's reputed to have a soft spot for raven haired women (most off his several mistresses on the side at least were raven haired).

As for Adolf himself he doens't exactly look like a tall blonde aryan either or what?

And obviously every dark-haired European is a Jew :cantbeli:


Just for the record:
Arians (folks in India) are not at all related to Aryans (folks in Germany). It's just a coincidental similarity in their names.

[Sixgun Symphony]

Uninen,

I see you got Russian Federation forces on your avatar and sigline, but did I read that you were from Finland?

Maybe I am mistaken?

[Uninen]

Sixgun Symphony,

That "Russian Federation Forces" you see on my signature is a name of a forum of my Uzbek / Israeli friend at where i 'hang'.

And yes, im Finn.

StarvingStudent47,

There is no such thing as German 'arians' the whole thing was made up.

:|

[usa320]

so tell me USA what did you do in World War 2? Were you on Omaha

I wasnt- but my Grandfather was- and many friends of his were, and many of them never made it home.

As for this guy cheering over US deaths, i find it gross...

Comparing the deaths of US servicemen to Iraqi suicide bombers is no comparison at all.

One is good, the other is evil.

Enough with this politically correct "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter" bull****.

People that fight against a government or an army to form their own country- they are freedom fighters. But Syrians, Iranians and Yemenis who travel to iraq for the sole purpose of slaughtering civilians and derailing the reconstruction process- well, they are blatantly terrorists, and they are evil.

There is good, and there is evil. No longer is there anywhere in between.

[Sixgun Symphony]

Sixgun Symphony,

That "Russian Federation Forces" you see on my signature is a name of a forum of my Uzbek / Israeli friend at where i 'hang'.

And yes, im Finn.
:|

Ok, I was thinking you might be the type to join the Soviet Red Army as a commissar during the Winter War in your country.

International Workers Solidarity and all that...

[usa320]

About 2000 iraqis for every US KIA.. or even more..
and in Yugoslavia, NATO/US bombed mostly civilian targets, as the USAF didnt dare to challenge the Serbs effective low-level battle field air defences

2000 dead terrorists and tyrants is a good thing.

to say that in Yugoslavi NATO forces bombed mostly civilian targets is just damn rediculous research before you post moron.

And the idea of air war isnt to challenge the enemies air defenses to a game of chicken- its to take them out without putting yourself in their range or FOV.

Now, to dispute your claims that most targets destroyed in Serbia were civilian- i will post specific reasearch and intelligence data:
look at these photos:

http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/bilder-image5.jpg

http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/bilder-image9.jpg

http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/bilder-image10.jpg

http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/bild1g.jpg



Heres a whole page of gun camera images- not one civilian target hit:

http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/kosovo-01-03.htm


and we are evil?

http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/drohne_2.jpg

http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/bosnia17.htm

http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/bosnia16.htm


I think saving a few million lives was worth our time in Kosovo.


Now show me a picture of a NATO plane bombing a civilian target- MAYBE ill believe you then.

Only civie target i recall getting hit was the Chinese embassy- unless you count industry like Power Plants, Chemical facilities and ammo factories as civilian.[/img]

[Sixgun Symphony]

My thinking is that we should have left the Balkans to the European powers. It is their backyard, they can clean up their own mess.

[usa320]

In theory i agree- but remember we are damned if we do and damned if we dont. So when we acted they bitched, but if we didnt act they woulda bitched more.

I think we should have only sent a small contigent of SF and airpower, and sent the rest of our forces to deal with the growing threat in the ME instead of ignoring it.

[Uninen]

You do know that the mess in the Kosovo was KLA aka UCK, trained, financed, armed and controlled by NSA / CIA..

KLA aka UCK, US ally which btw had thousands of Al-Qaida members fighting on its side less than two years before 911..

:fork:

[usa320]

You do know that the mess in the Kosovo was KLA aka UCK, trained, financed, armed and controlled by NSA / CIA

If i dont know, i assure you, you sure as **** dont know.

Indeed- the KLA did recieve some funds and training from the US at the time- but (1- it was worth it considering the threat facing Kosovo- yeah thats right- the threat of being wiped off the face of the earth. and (2- There are reports suggesting a link between the UCK and Al Queda, however there is no conclusive evidence to prove that any US expertise or equipment or funds made it to Al Queda via the UCK, or were used for anything other than fighting the forces of Slobodon Milosevic.

Your a moron. Take your freaky ass conspiracy theories and propaganda bull**** somewhere else. Find some gullible counterstrike players who will actually listen to your candied ass. Let us folks discuss grown up things in peace.[/b]

[Sixgun Symphony]

In theory i agree- but remember we are damned if we do and damned if we dont. So when we acted they bitched, but if we didnt act they woulda bitched more.


Best thing is to pick and choose what are really in our interests.

Do we really need NATO? NO! Soviet Union is gone, NATO is irrelevent.

Do we have any reall concerns in the Balkans? NO! The Europeans can police their own backyard. US troops would be better of deployed in the mideast, we still gotta put the smackdown on Iran and Syria.

Lets pull our troops out of Europe. That will free up enough US troops for the missions that really do matter to US interests. No more of these multi-national efforts with shakey allies. We just need to rid ourselves of these foreign entanglements and their opinions will cease to matter.

[RuSoKaR]

bombing power plants which were suppling power in which childs were comming to live, isn't that would affect normal people?

btw Uninen, you are getting popular here.

[Merik]

Yo Rupert, whats with the name change amigo?

[Sixgun Symphony]

You do know that the mess in the Kosovo was KLA aka UCK, trained, financed, armed and controlled by NSA / CIA..

KLA aka UCK, US ally which btw had thousands of Al-Qaida members fighting on its side less than two years before 911..

:fork:

You can thank Bill Clinton for that.

I opposed this action because we were fighting the wrong side there. Better that the Serbs liberate Constantinople from the Turks IMHO.

[RuSoKaR]

I opposed this action because we were fighting the wrong side there. Better that the Serbs liberate Constantinople from the Turks IMHO.


:) Russian liberated from Turks most of the Balkans, they could have even got Constantinople, if not English and Frech fleets :|

[Uninen]

Sixgun Symphony,

Good somebody sees the point here..

Serbs were the good guys (forces of order..) and the Albans and other moslems were forces of chaos, evil and terrorism.

And its a damn shame that Clinton used your power to the benefit of terrorists.

:|

And those that doubt me..

About the Al-Qaida in Kosovo..

:fork:

They sure the **** were there, as they were on Bosnia also, from where the KFOR HAULED MORE THAN 4500 back to their native nations.

Use google, put there 'islamist fighters Bosnia'

http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/fmsopubs/issues/muja.htm
http://w3.tyenet.com/kozlich/mujah.htm
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/deliso36.html
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/balkanterror.html

The Mujahedin aka Al-Qaida has been all over the conflicts in Former-Yugoslavia.

:cantbeli:

[StarvingStudent47]

I opposed this action because we were fighting the wrong side there. Better that the Serbs liberate Constantinople from the Turks IMHO.

Hey, why don't we go bomb Mongolia as revenge for Genghis Khan, as long as we're waging war about ancient history :cantbeli:

[Uninen]

Mongolia,

Is US ally, those poor bastards even did send troops to Iraq..

:cantbeli:

[Sixgun Symphony]

Sixgun Symphony,
And its a damn shame that Clinton used your power to the benefit of terrorists.


Clinton was a liberal. It is the liberals who oppose our fighting these Islamic terrorists now.

I will put it this way. Much of Western Europe is decadent and weak. The disease is liberalism and they are helping the muslims to destroy European civilization.

It is a clash of Islam -vs- Christendom and the decadent Left-Libs are on the side of the muslims.

[Sixgun Symphony]

I opposed this action because we were fighting the wrong side there. Better that the Serbs liberate Constantinople from the Turks IMHO.

Hey, why don't we go bomb Mongolia as revenge for Genghis Khan, as long as we're waging war about ancient history :cantbeli:

The Mongolians have been beat all the way back to Mongolia. So that has been settled.

Right now the Turks are squatting in Constantinople and they need to be served an eviction notice.

[StarvingStudent47]

Mongolia,

Is US ally, those poor bastards even did send troops to Iraq..

:cantbeli:

Uninen--I was being sarcastic. Very very sarcastic. I understand that because English is not your first language you may not have gotten that. It's okay, I wouldn't understand sarcasm in Finnish very well either ;)

[StarvingStudent47]

Right now the Turks are squatting in Constantinople and they need to be served an eviction notice.

The Turks have been "squatting" in Istanbul for longer than white folks have been "squatting" in North America, you know...

[Merik]

The Turks have been "squatting" in Istanbul for longer than white folks have been "squatting" in North America, you know...


Damn Im glad Im part Native American since I can jump back and forth on sides with that issue p-)

[ibstolidude]

the thread that was linked was one of the most blatant blinded by fanaticism posts I have read in a long time..

Over the course of the 78 days over 38,004 combat sorties were flown
More than 10,400 strike sorties over Serbia.
.. compared to the number of Air Platforms lost... laughable.

Only a person with an absolute fundamental failure to grasp the concept of a strategic bombing campaign would suggest bombing below 4k. Especially when they are not conducting CAS or HVT destruction. Why would an altitude bomber bomb below 4k? I guess the implication is the pilots were pussy for not flying A10s into Nic? What would have been the gain? If a country lacks an unsuppressed high altitude surface to air AA capability, why would aggressors decide to fly low? That would be just plain stupid.

The figures of Iraq sorties (especially if we talk from GW1 to present) are even more steep when compared to downed A/C (fixed and rotar).

and in reference to the comments:
They didnt win Yugoslavia. (period.) (actually they almost got theirselfs in a war with Russia over that..) How did that go with the Airport in Pristina? Did the russians get their own sector as they wished and promised Milo? the Answer NO. The NATO alliance was able to block the overflights required to sustain the force that was at the Pristina Airport.

In reference to the "winning" to say that NATO didn't win would be failure to understand the objectives of NATO... The Serbian army did withdraw from Kosovo in force, NATO did introduce ground forces with little interdiction, mass exodus of Albanians ceased with thousands returning + many that were never there to begin with (unfortuanetly it resulted in the MASS exodus/expulsion of most of the Serbs.) By all accounts NATO met their objectives. Even strategically with the fall of the Milo regime, and ultimately his extradition to the Hague. (Unfortunatley more should be done now to support Serbia/Montenegro as they rebuild/restructure.)

[M1A2U2]

yep the kurds found himhttp://www.******.com/view_attachment.php?id=6413

[M1A2U2]

sorry...go to this link to prove uninen wrong http://www.******.com/view_attachment.php?id=6413

[M1A2U2]

sorry again...here is the right link. click oin the first saddam picture
http://www.******.com/index2.php?include=view_include.php&view=14217&&element=22

[NcDeuce]

http://ermac.net/i/poop.jpg

[Tane Angle]

Hello all, how are you? Can we keep things civil please; I've been hearing that there were some problems with civility and tolerance. I can't tell people what to believe, but it isn't very civil to say hateful things to/about others. I've worked with a lot of people in my life, and nearly all have been real great folks, regardless of being Shi’a, Sunni, Druze, Hmong, Vietnamese, Chinese, Korean, Jewish, any of a variety of Christian faiths, homo******, bi******, or hetero******, a prostitute or a professor. That’s just an example, too. And I've had life saved by a fair number of very diverse people, so using more tolerant terms is, if nothing else, a welcome and much-appreciated sign of respect to me. I wouldn't insult a stranger's mother, because that people owe their lives to their mothers. Same basic principle, no?

Let me say that again; I owe my life to some very fine Muslims. I'd be dead without them. That's the way my life has worked out. I would lay down my life for those kind souls. There is not a doubt in my mind as to their sheer bravery, honor, morals, or love of and desire for peace. Are there bad Muslims out there, of course. But there are some pretty bad Christians, Hindus, and Buddhists out there too, among others. If we're going to generalize, than those good folks that saved my life over and over are included.

Ok, getting started. I see that there are some new people on the message board, nice to meet you all. Welcome aboard.

First off, the Turks are one of the US's few allies in the Middle East, so let's let them hold on to Istanbul/Constantinople/Byzantium/New Rome for a while, for the sake of friendship.

Also, I am unimpressed by both the Clinton and Bush administrations in terms of their A/CT policies. I am unimpressed by both liberal and conservative efforts thus far. Neither side is effective. Neither is proactive/preventative. And proactive doesn't mean hitting people left and right, it means most especially preventing a "post-Versailles Germany" situation in developing nations.

Moreover, genocide in any part of the world by anyone should not be tolerated. I don't know about anyone here, but I've not only seen the death camps in Germany, but I have seen with my own eyes the carcasses in Indonesia, Kosovo, Bosnia, various parts of Africa, and other nations. I've spent the better part of my life as a professional soldier, seen more death than I ever cared to, and I still felt a sickness like no other when seeing those innocents lying there. I don't care who's doing it, genocide is wrong.

And yes, if someone wants to bring up the Native Americans slaughtered by the US, by all means do so. And what if the other nations on one's continent don't act? Do we just sit back and watch? What if it was my children being slaughtered? What if it were yours? I'd sure hope that Europe and Africa and the rest of the world would care if our innocents were being cut down helplessly.

This seems like a good time to post my usual disclaimer, no? I never mean any offense to anyone by my writings, and I apologize in advance if I miswrite and do offend anyone; that was, of course, not my intent. Take care all. Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[Haiw]

Finally Tane Angle brings a fresh wind of sanity into this thread... Just for the sake of it I'll try and point out the idiocy of the statements by our favorite new member over the last few pages...

[Haiw]

No more of these multi-national efforts with shakey allies. We just need to rid ourselves of these foreign entanglements and their opinions will cease to matter.
Yeah...screw all of 'em. Let's pave the way to a world that gets more divided by the day!

[Haiw]

I opposed this action because we were fighting the wrong side there. Better that the Serbs liberate Constantinople from the Turks IMHO.
Errm? YEAH! Come on let us Euro's go and support the native Americans to kick those millions of 'invaders' out of North-America! I'm really curious what the foundation of this statement is... :roll:

[Haiw]

Clinton was a liberal. It is the liberals who oppose our fighting these Islamic terrorists now.

I will put it this way. Much of Western Europe is decadent and weak. The disease is liberalism and they are helping the muslims to destroy European civilization.

It is a clash of Islam -vs- Christendom and the decadent Left-Libs are on the side of the muslims.
Right. We are weak because we're not a fascist regime... The muslims that are coming into Europe are all out to destroy us. Man, what rock of paranoia have you been hiding under? Do you even know that there's a difference between a regular Muslim and those Islamic extremist jackasses? Have you ever considered that the motives of coming to Europe have nothing to do with religion, and that there religion is just a minor demographic detail?

In case you haven't noticed; the 'holy religic wars' are over... There's no 'sides', and the only thing we should be worried about is not walking the same path we went down 75 years ago...

[Haiw]

The Mongolians have been beat all the way back to Mongolia. So that has been settled.

Right now the Turks are squatting in Constantinople and they need to be served an eviction notice.
Again, amazement baffles me... 'Ooooh those evil turks, they've been there for all those centuries, those infidels need to be exterminated and thrown out!' What are you, some ancient extremist?!?!

[Haiw]

The Mongolians have been beat all the way back to Mongolia. So that has been settled.

Right now the Turks are squatting in Constantinople and they need to be served an eviction notice.
Again, amazement baffles me... 'Ooooh those evil turks, they've been there for all those centuries, those infidels need to be exterminated and thrown out!' What are you, some ancient extremist?!?!

[usa320]

**** at least me an M1A2u2 posted pictures and proof to prove the moron wrong.

Harsh words get you no where- ive learned that. Proving the asswipe wrong with educated arguments will get you somewhere. THe last half page or so was pure speculation and bull****.

[Uninen]

usa320,

1. Those images didnt work that he posted, so it proves nothing.
2. what i said was that Kurds captured the 'ace' and put it him that hole, from where USA troops went to pick him up.
3. This is the truth, what White house and Pentagon claim is just to bolster US moral, as the troops in Iraq are short of it, as they know tha they are not wanted there etc..

:|

(and i am not trying to be a asshole here, its just the way the things are, trying to correct your mistake.)

[Roger Rabbit]

How do you know this Uninen? Could i see your sources please? I'm not doubting you i'm just genuinely curious, heard this theory before and i would like to see what evidence there is to support it.

[Beowulf]

moved...

[Midtown]

The Mongolians have been beat all the way back to Mongolia. So that has been settled.

Right now the Turks are squatting in Constantinople and they need to be served an eviction notice.
Again, amazement baffles me... 'Ooooh those evil turks, they've been there for all those centuries, those infidels need to be exterminated and thrown out!' What are you, some ancient extremist?!?!

HOLY GOD DUDE, you can use the quote button more than once per post! No need for 12!

[M1A2U2]

it does work but thanks again for being wrong. And please why dont you send me a source showing the kurds captured him, because as of now you have 0 credibility.
http://www.******.com/index2.php?include=view_include.php&view=14217&&element=22

[Haiw]

HOLY GOD DUDE, you can use the quote button more than once per post! No need for 12!
Sorry, but reacting to his posts was already enough waste of my time in the first place... I wasn't really in for another cut and paste marathon.