Beretta 92 new look

[easyand]

First photo of the new version of the Beretta 92 (M9)!

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b227/age_ranger/3.jpg

[JDBL14]

i like it...

will the US military use it?

[ZaakM433]

1 year till its in 3 movies

[Seraphim]

Is that a dustcover for the rails or a mini laser dot. I dont like the finger grooves that they put on some of them. My pinky gets gimped on the bottom groove.

[Frens]

US armed forces want a new pistol in .45 caliber

[rokdoc]

US armed forces want a new pistol in .45 caliber


But it won't happen, because we still have women who are issued pistols, and can barely qualify with a 9mm.....

[Solo]

But it won't happen, because we still have women who are issued pistols, and can barely qualify with a 9mm.....

Couldn't there be two calibers accepted? Or would it be too much of a logistical issue?

[memphiz]

Couldn't there be two calibers accepted? Or would it be too much of a logistical issue?
Then they would get complaints

"Oh so because I am a woman I aint tough enough to handle a fo-five (.45)"

[StukaJr]

Berretta surely loves to polish turds! I hope they've finally revisited the internal weaknesses instead of just giving a different look to an old design.

[GoSka37]

Look's good but how's it perform?

[Uncle Sam]

Berretta surely loves to polish turds! I hope they've finally revisited the internal weaknesses instead of just giving a different look to an old design.

You totally beat me to it...Damn! I wanted to say that...

[tehllama]

Whoop-de-doo. It looks cool, but it's still a 9mm pistol.

Call me crazy, but a MEUSOC pistol would eat that in a heartbeat.

[Deuterium]

Berretta surely loves to polish turds! I hope they've finally revisited the internal weaknesses instead of just giving a different look to an old design.

Locking block and slide?

[LthrnckZero]

Like putting a new paint job on an '85 honda accord.....

[StukaJr]

Locking block and slide?

Yes, those two. Especially the Barrel locking lugs that get sheered off the quickest and from the minimum number of rounds. Even with the 92FS models, I haven't read too many responses from the users with their guns above 10K rounds.

[Durandal]

Berretta surely loves to polish turds! I hope they've finally revisited the internal weaknesses instead of just giving a different look to an old design.

Hate the look (looks like they are trying to catch it up with the "ghey" look of the 9000S and Storm), but I love my old 92. I personally will never like the composite and/or one piece grips. I like the old style. You can replace them with wood or slim rubber. Not these and unless you are SF or Law Enforcement, who needs a tac rail on the end? Posers will love 'em but you'll never need it too shoot with on the civvy end.

I have had NO problems with it and with such a long barrel shoots like a laser. Not that I roll my around in the mud, pour dust into the barrel, or not clean it between shoots...I take care of it and it works just fine.

Now, I've put ammo through it that I probably should not have and seen it jam on it, but then the same stuff jammed the USP and Glock too. p-)

Its ok if you do not "like" the gun, but it is not junk by any stretch. At least, no more than most out on the market.

Edit: I'll admit that I have not shot 10K rounds through it, but I am well over 8000.

[JDBL14]

i still disagree that well placed shots from a 9mm are less likely to kill, or should i say, "knock-down" but then again my fav sidearm is a SIG P-229(.40S&W) and i guess its right in the middle.

[Seiran]

I wouldn't pick it over an SP2009 or 2340.

[PvtPyle]

But it won't happen, because we still have women who are issued pistols, and can barely qualify with a 9mm.....

But it will happen. SOCOM is moving to a .45 for a number of its troops, and ARSOF has decided it wants one for all of its troops.

[cepera]

Yes, those two. Especially the Barrel locking lugs that get sheered off the quickest and from the minimum number of rounds. Even with the 92FS models, I haven't read too many responses from the users with their guns above 10K rounds.

hey bro can you enlighten me on that..I bought one some weeks ago and hear they're real good and reliable. Is it the aluminum frame that wears out or what ???

[Durandal]

I wouldn't pick it over an SP2009 or 2340.

rofl


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[StukaJr]

hey bro can you enlighten me on that..I bought one some weeks ago and hear they're real good and reliable. Is it the aluminum frame that wears out or what ???
I believe the problems apply to M9 Military Models and very early 92's - majority of the problems happening early in its carreer. Since then, the 92F and then the 92FS models have made improvements - any civilian virsion is light and day better than the Military Model (I have no experience with the latter so the last bit is the hearsay only). You are not risking to "taste the Italian Steel" as there is an extra added piece that will catch the slide even if it does sheer off the frame - I believe, the early M9's suffered a batch of frames that weren't heat treated (happens to many guns, really).
Now, the only problem I'm aware of is the fact that the locking lugs on the barrel are not forged as part of the barrel but separate pieces - they have been known to sheer off... Most of these stories come from range guns - where guns go through hell and back.

Heck my CZ 75B was sent for warranty repair after one range day - my friend's High Power was a lemon with frame that was not heat treated. Crap happens - but I do believe that Berretta has a good customer support. You do get new Lugs in case they do sheer - as a regular shooter, you might not even have to dial the support number...

I say - treat it like any other gun - if you notice something amiss, then worry about it... If you stake your life on this tool - it's best to get really acquainted with it - that's my motto :D

[Apogee]

Couldn't there be two calibers accepted? Or would it be too much of a logistical issue?

Another issue is that 9mm is the NATO standard handgun ammunition. One of the reasons that there was a push to 9 mil from .45 was to standardize ammo supplies when working with NATO forces. Obviously that isn't the only reason, but its worth mentioning.

[TacoDelRio]

What a nice looking pistol.....



FOR ME TO POOP ON!!!!

[Durandal]

Another issue is that 9mm is the NATO standard handgun ammunition. One of the reasons that there was a push to 9 mil from .45 was to standardize ammo supplies when working with NATO forces. Obviously that isn't the only reason, but its worth mentioning.

Yeah, regular armed forces are not getting rid of it any time soon.

I completely missed the comment above about women shooting. Funny thing is there are probably just as many or more dudes who could not do crap with a pistol and god knows the military spends little time in actually getting them anywhere past proficient.

[cepera]

I believe the problems apply to M9 Military Models and very early 92's - majority of the problems happening early in its carreer. Since then, the 92F and then the 92FS models have made improvements - any civilian virsion is light and day better than the Military Model (I have no experience with the latter so the last bit is the hearsay only). You are not risking to "taste the Italian Steel" as there is an extra added piece that will catch the slide even if it does sheer off the frame - I believe, the early M9's suffered a batch of frames that weren't heat treated (happens to many guns, really).
Now, the only problem I'm aware of is the fact that the locking lugs on the barrel are not forged as part of the barrel but separate pieces - they have been known to sheer off... Most of these stories come from range guns - where guns go through hell and back.

Heck my CZ 75B was sent for warranty repair after one range day - my friend's High Power was a lemon with frame that was not heat treated. Crap happens - but I do believe that Berretta has a good customer support. You do get new Lugs in case they do sheer - as a regular shooter, you might not even have to dial the support number...

I say - treat it like any other gun - if you notice something amiss, then worry about it... If you stake your life on this tool - it's best to get really acquainted with it - that's my motto :D

Oh I see thanks. Sorry about you cz though, mine worked flawlessly so far but I gotta say the steel barrel on the cz is kinda soft compared to a glock so Ill see how long it lives :)

[Limeyfellow]

The problem with the early M9s was in the use of Tellurium in the Aluminium alloy for the slider that led to weak metal toughness. Only three people ever got hurt from it. Two required stitches and the other had a tooth broken. Since 1988 they changed production of the slides to the US for military pistols and the slide's alloy was altered before then so they haven't seen the problem in nearly 20 years. They also altered the design of the pistol so even if the slide breaks it can not come back and hit the user.

The reputation however has passed over into myth on a few accidents back in 1982-83.

[StukaJr]

I swear I saw multiple user accounts of Brigadier's frames breaking but at a different point towards the muzzle - on different forums, I believe.

[PvtPyle]

Yes, those two. Especially the Barrel locking lugs that get sheered off the quickest and from the minimum number of rounds. Even with the 92FS models, I haven't read too many responses from the users with their guns above 10K rounds.

When you shoot rounds that were designed to make an Uzi function thru a handgun, these things happen. The locking lugs are rated for 25,000rds for civilian guns using civilian ammo. The military lugs (the SAME lug actually) is only rated for 5,000rds with military ammo. If we were using something like the silver tip, or ranger SXT, we could get 25,000rds thru them too. You can chalk the locking lugs breaking to a piss poor ammo choice, not poor workmanship. The Beretta has other issues, but the Military screwed up the ammo selection.

I make sure that ever locking block in my armsroom gets replaced at 5,000rds, and the barrels at 10,000 (along with the extractor and recoil spring). I have only had two lugs break and both were in country when we were short of replacement parts, and after the guns had completed a 2 week shooting class just prior to deploying. Now we keep spares on hand.