Weapons Of The 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-D

[Ding Chavez]

would someone in the know please be kind enough to tell me what weapons a modern day delta force operator would be issued?

[Zach R.]

They're not really issued a weapon.Delta Force has access to almost anything they want.From the old M3 Grease Gun to the modern M4 SOPMOD.Delta really likes the M4 series of accessories.Another popular weapon is the MP5 and the UMP.Both made by H&K.Popular amoung Delta operatives also,is the H&K USP 45. caliber pistol.But you can find just about any weapon in the hands of a Delta operative.

[FallenAngel]

what Zach said was true....although I think we can safely draw the line at old Flintlock muskets as being slightly out-of-date ;) Other than that, everything is pretty much free game

[budanski]

I wouldn't be surprise if they are using the MP-7s. Kick-*ss gun.

[Ding Chavez]

well guys check this out during my research on the subject i came across this list and i'd just like all your opinions on it's possible authenticity.

US Army 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-D Weapons Inventory

Delta operators use a variety of sidearms, among them the standard 9×19mm Beretta M9 pistol (Model 92FS) and the compact 9×19mm SIG-Sauer M11 pistol (P228). The 11.43×23mm (.45 ACP) H&K MK23 MOD 0 OHWS suppressed pistol and 11.43×23mm (.45 ACP) H&K USP Tactical pistol are in service. However, the main sidearm is the 11.43×23mm (.45 ACP) Wilson Special Ops CQB pistol, a Colt M1911A1-clone made to their specifications. The 9×19mm H&K MP5-series is in use, of course, including the MP5K machine pistol, MP5A3 submachine gun and MP5SD3 suppressed submachine gun. Since the mid-1980s, Delta Force has used the 5.56×45mm Colt CAR-15A2 Model 723 assault carbine, which has now been replaced by the 5.56×45mm Colt M4A1 assault carbine (CAR-15A3 Model 927). Flight crews use the 5.56×45mm KAC M4A1K Helicopter Aircrewman Weapon, a shortened and sound-suppressed survival carbine. Standard longarm is the 5.56×45mm Colt M16A3 assault rifle (AR-15A3 Model 901). Sniper rifles include the 7.62×51mm H&K PSG1, the 7.62×51mm Remington M24 SWS bolt-action rifle (Model 700), 7.62×66mmB Remington M24 SWS bolt-action rifle (Model 700) and the 12.7×99mm Barrett M82A1. Suppressive fire is provided by the 5.56×45mm FNMI M249E4 SPW light machine gun (FN MINIMI). The standard shotgun used to be the 18.5×70mmR Mossberg M500ATP8 Cruiser pump-action shotgun. Like all US special ops units, Delta also use the 40×46mmSR Colt M203A1 underbarrel grenade launcher mounted beneath M4A1 and M16A3 rifles. Portable antitank weapons include the 84mm Alliant M136 LAW light antitank weapon (Bofors AT4).

[Bing]

wow psg-1 i didn't know that. Does anyone know what kind of scope is issued to army snipers?

[Ding Chavez]

i believe army snipers are issued the remington m24 sniper weapon system like the one shown below. so i'm assuming the answer to your question would be the leupold mark iv m3-10x 40mm optical day sight.

someone please feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.

http://www.remingtonle.com/images/rifle/m24/case.jpg

[woodland]

well guys check this out during my research on the subject i came across this list and i'd just like all your opinions on it's possible authenticity.

US Army 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-D Weapons Inventory

Delta operators use a variety of sidearms, among them the standard 9×19mm Beretta M9 pistol (Model 92FS) and the compact 9×19mm SIG-Sauer M11 pistol (P228). The 11.43×23mm (.45 ACP) H&K MK23 MOD 0 OHWS suppressed pistol and 11.43×23mm (.45 ACP) H&K USP Tactical pistol are in service. However, the main sidearm is the 11.43×23mm (.45 ACP) Wilson Special Ops CQB pistol, a Colt M1911A1-clone made to their specifications. The 9×19mm H&K MP5-series is in use, of course, including the MP5K machine pistol, MP5A3 submachine gun and MP5SD3 suppressed submachine gun. Since the mid-1980s, Delta Force has used the 5.56×45mm Colt CAR-15A2 Model 723 assault carbine, which has now been replaced by the 5.56×45mm Colt M4A1 assault carbine (CAR-15A3 Model 927). Flight crews use the 5.56×45mm KAC M4A1K Helicopter Aircrewman Weapon, a shortened and sound-suppressed survival carbine. Standard longarm is the 5.56×45mm Colt M16A3 assault rifle (AR-15A3 Model 901). Sniper rifles include the 7.62×51mm H&K PSG1, the 7.62×51mm Remington M24 SWS bolt-action rifle (Model 700), 7.62×66mmB Remington M24 SWS bolt-action rifle (Model 700) and the 12.7×99mm Barrett M82A1. Suppressive fire is provided by the 5.56×45mm FNMI M249E4 SPW light machine gun (FN MINIMI). The standard shotgun used to be the 18.5×70mmR Mossberg M500ATP8 Cruiser pump-action shotgun. Like all US special ops units, Delta also use the 40×46mmSR Colt M203A1 underbarrel grenade launcher mounted beneath M4A1 and M16A3 rifles. Portable antitank weapons include the 84mm Alliant M136 LAW light antitank weapon (Bofors AT4).

WOW!!! Arent you just pumping bull**** and crap out of your ASS today? Calls himself an expert the dumbass. :bash:

First of all, there is no "7.62x66mmB" M24SWS, go home and read instead of playing computer games all day you uneducated boor! The FN MINIMI is not the M249 SPW (There is no such thing as the M249E4 you damn ass, you are pasting numbers left and right, asshole!) Yeah, and the Mossberg 500 (What ****ing M500ATP8 are you talking about? Making up crap again?) is not 18.5x70mm! A 2 3/4" twelve gauge round is about 70mm long but you got the diameter dangerously wrong! :bash:

More of your bull****: "Delta also use the 40×46mmSR Colt M203A1 underbarrel grenade launcher" There is not ****ing Colt M203A1 grenade launcher, you ass! The 40mm grenade round is not 40x46mm and what the **** is SR??? Bull****ing freak! It is 40mm thick but not 46mm long you asshole!

"Standard longarm is the 5.56×45mm Colt M16A3 assault rifle (AR-15A3 Model 901)." ****ing ass bitch! The AR15 is the civilian semi-auto only M16! The M16A3 is not AR15A3 but JUST model 901! Dumb ass! I seriously doubt that Delta uses the 20" barreled monster like the M16A3, they would go for the SPR rifle however which is a precision M16 with a Krieger 18" barrel and flip up front and rear sights with a full length PRI FF handguard with the M1913 rail on top to mount scopes on, modified by Crane NTWS and which has the old M16A1 stock (shorter stock for body armor but better cheek weld than carbine stock, the latest SPR model I have seen has the new retractable Crane stock however...). Dumb asshole.... YOU DONT KNOW ****!

More crap: "Flight crews use the 5.56×45mm KAC M4A1K Helicopter Aircrewman Weapon" :bash: There is no ****ing M4A1K. No such ****ing weapon! Delta has no aircrew!!! You dumb freak! Ever hear of the 160th SOAR? Those boys haul Special Forces and Delta boys.... Watch Black Hawk Down you crap ass dumb nut. SOAR pilots used to get MP5K PDW's (check hkpro.com to see what it is, you dumb ass) so the MP5A3 used in BHD is inaccurate, however even those are so bulky when strapped onto the thighs of pilots that most carry a pistol, such as the M9 or the SIG P226 which they pilfer from places ;) Sure, some might pack an MP5K still when they are in a real war (such as Iraq) or even have a Colt Commando (10.5" barrel M16A2/M4 with Safe-Semi-Full selector and standard A2 sights or less frequently KAC foregrip rails and flat-top (A3) receivers with optics mounted.

You ****ing crackhead ass, dont even know your AT weapons right!!!!

"84mm Alliant M136 LAW light antitank weapon (Bofors AT4)" Ok you ass freak, the M136 is not the LAW which is not the AT4! Alliant and Bofors are two different companies you ass! The AT4 is much smaller than the M136 which is basically the old Carl-Gustav as used by the Army Rangers It is called the M3 I believe by the Rangers. A LAW is a 72mm single shot, retractable, folding sight AT weapon used in Vietnam! It is quite light but not used much today because it doesn't penetrate much of today's armor. The AT4 is better at this. Go home and stop reading too much SWAT Weapons and Tactics magazine you ass! They dont know **** either! You are such a mess!!!

I can't correct all of your bull**** mistakes, however, I can only say: YOU DONT KNOW ****! GET THE FACT RIGHT! STOP MAKING UP STUFF!!!

Also: the PSG1 is a very heavy 7.62x51mm sniper rifle, not used by armies but by police who need semi-auto fire more and can care less about the weight of the weapon. Most modern MILITARY snipers use various bolt action rifles if we are talking about 7.62mm rifles. The M82 rifle is totally different as that is meant to be an anti-materiel rifle not anti-personel!!! Get your fact straight you crap ass! So Delta would use a modified Remi 700 such as the M24SWS or various others such as the McMillan rifles or the HS-Precision 7.62mm rifles based on the Remington 700's action.... GO AND GET THE FACT STRAIGHT OR SHUT UP YOU STUPID ASS!!!

Thank you,

woodland! is a gay uneducated ass much like Ding Chavez who thinks he is all elite 'cause he read Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six book but perhaps not even that since he can't read it seems, so he played those stupid Rainbow Six computer games!

[SHOOTERB]

There are no more MP5s left in 160th. All pilots and crew carry he M4 and an M9. The rest of the 160th carry M16A2s. The medics and FARP guys carry M4s as well. I dont have to read about this I know from working with them.

[USAF G]

rofl Oh my god, that is the funniest thing I have read in a long time. It may be rude and innappropriate, but Woodland is not only gay, he is right. You go, give it to all the Clancy reading, video game worshiping, self proclaimed "Experts"! The problem with the internet is, one can present themself as anything and someone will believe them. Oh yea, SF does not use Wilsons, they use custom guns built off of stock guns by their own gunsmiths.

[Mal3]

rofl Oh my god, that is the funniest thing I have read in a long time. It may be rude and innappropriate, but Woodland is not only gay, he is right. You go, give it to all the Clancy reading, video game worshiping, self proclaimed "Experts"! The problem with the internet is, one can present themself as anything and someone will believe them. Oh yea, SF does not use Wilsons, they use custom guns built off of stock guns by their own gunsmiths.

Woodland is surprisingly accurate most times I read what he writes. However he's unneccesarily rude (applies to quite a few around here, being mistaken on the internet is not a sin, correct people, don't **** on them) and I won't be bothered reading through his flames even if they are correct. I don't mind foul language, but deliberate insults are another matter.

He seems also a rather sad person, basing his nick and profile on a person he hates and only joining here because of his hate. Perchance said woodland should get a life?

/me dons flamesuit.

[USAF G]

While I agree about rudeness and insults being unnecessary, even a broken clock is right twice a day, and that post was right on the mark. No there is nothing wrong with being mistaken, however lying and making stuff up is another matter. That said I don't endorse insults and mistreatment, and I don't agree with other things I have read form woodland. Some people are just argumentative and oppositional.

[Ding Chavez]

you know the reason i posted i here was because i'm not an expert and that's why i was seeking out all your opinions on some information i had come across during my research on the subject, but instead i encountered a bunch of know it all, wannabe, internet toughguys like woodland.

so for all of you who genuinely participated in my thread i'd like to thank you, and for all of you who had nothing better to do than agrue on a message board eat a ****.

Ding Chavez over and out

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[Mal3]

Damn, I want Raven Shield... Need to buy new computer... Need to buy... :bash:

[Beloved Shiv]

"so for all of you who genuinely participated in my thread i'd like to thank you, and for all of you who had nothing better to do than agrue on a message board eat a ****."

Hehe, 'too funny. Gentlemanly conduct meets back-street brawling. Well said.

[Duke]

Some things are wrong, but some things are right
"There is not f*** Colt M203A1 grenade launcher, you ass!"
Yes there is **** nut. :bash: Its chambered in the ****ing 40X46mm! :bash:
"The 40mm grenade round is not 40x46mm..." What the **** did I say?? :bash: "It is 40mm thick but not 46mm long you asshole!" Again what the **** did I say?? :bash:
I dont know what the **** SR is either but he's probably right about it.
"You f*** crackhead ass, dont even know your AT weapons right!!!" Its not AT. Asspunk bitch. If you dont know the difference between AT and CT, then you only understand TALKING POINTS. Thats military speak, mister. You look it up, there's a huge difference. :bash:
"Ok you ass freak, the M136 is not the LAW which is not the AT4! Alliant and Bofors are two different companies you ass!" GOTT IM HIMMEL!!! stupid ****. yes they are two different companies, but stupid ass ATK(alliant) is contracted to manufacture these ****ING Light antitank weapons from Bofors. :bash: Straight out of Janes it says, "The M136 is the Sweedish Saab Bofors Dynamics AT4 HEAT."
"The AT4 is much smaller than the M136 which is basically the old Carl-Gustav as used by the Army Rangers It is called the M3 I believe by the Rangers. A LAW is a 72mm single shot, retractable, folding sight AT weapon used in Vietnam! It is quite light but not used much today because it doesn't penetrate much of today's armor. The AT4 is better at this. Go home and stop reading too much SWAT Weapons and Tactics magazine you ass! They dont know **** either! You are such a mess!!!"
HEY ALL THAT IN QUOTES IS TOTAL BULL****. GO DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!! ****ING DUMBASS WANNABE WANNABE. Dont you know people on this board know their ****. You just made all this **** up.

You have some **** straight but overall I realize you dont know jack. you cant say im gay just because Ive pointed out your an idiot. Accept the facts you ****ing only know TALKING POINTS.

[Mal3]

Seems like Duke doesn't believe in fighting fire with marshmallows...

[JiJoMacLE45]

Somebody said it best when they said "Weapons are tools. I put the tool in the toolbox that I need to accomplish the job." Simple yet effective.
When it comes down to it, the weapon is the man(or woman) pulling the trigger. Delta or the SAS or any first rate special operations force did not earn there reputation by having the best toys to play with. They earned those reps through the hard work, dedication, and bravery of their operators. You can have all the brand spanking new confangled gadgets and gizmos to strap onto your piece, but if you can not hit the target, what good is it.

[Chops]

Woodland- you are a tool. Or to use the US expression- a SWAGer I believe. Apologies Woodland but you are. The fact that you get at least a third of your statements wrong only confirms this. People like myself, JiJo, BiZ and virtualpender get pissed off at some of the bull**** MIB stuff that is claimed as fact on this board and others but we don't flame the living **** out of some young fella trying to ask a few innocent questions.

You accuse the guy of being uneducated but if you're an operator, or even know one, I'll eat my boots. And they're not clean nor are they pretty.

Let's hear a little about your extensive specwar experience my friend...

rgds

Chops

[Zach R.]

Praise the Lord!
Chops has delivered us from evil!
lol woot

[Apogee]

Chops - actually tool was right on.

And I'm SURE woodland operated with Delta or the like in his younger years aka 13-15.

[Trigger]

"Weapons are tools. I put the tool in the toolbox that I need to accomplish the job."
I believe that Robert DeNiro said that in 'Ronin'

When it comes down to it, the weapon is the man(or woman) pulling the trigger.
That's the bare-naked-non-gay Truth.

And I'm SURE woodland operated with Delta or the like in his younger years aka 13-15.
...and then he woke up.

[spier]

well guys check this out during my research on the subject i came across this list and i'd just like all your opinions on it's possible authenticity.

US Army 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-D Weapons Inventory

Delta operators use a variety of sidearms, among them the standard 9×19mm Beretta M9 pistol (Model 92FS) and the compact 9×19mm SIG-Sauer M11 pistol (P228). The 11.43×23mm (.45 ACP) H&K MK23 MOD 0 OHWS suppressed pistol and 11.43×23mm (.45 ACP) H&K USP Tactical pistol are in service. However, the main sidearm is the 11.43×23mm (.45 ACP) Wilson Special Ops CQB pistol, a Colt M1911A1-clone made to their specifications. The 9×19mm H&K MP5-series is in use, of course, including the MP5K machine pistol, MP5A3 submachine gun and MP5SD3 suppressed submachine gun. Since the mid-1980s, Delta Force has used the 5.56×45mm Colt CAR-15A2 Model 723 assault carbine, which has now been replaced by the 5.56×45mm Colt M4A1 assault carbine (CAR-15A3 Model 927). Flight crews use the 5.56×45mm KAC M4A1K Helicopter Aircrewman Weapon, a shortened and sound-suppressed survival carbine. Standard longarm is the 5.56×45mm Colt M16A3 assault rifle (AR-15A3 Model 901). Sniper rifles include the 7.62×51mm H&K PSG1, the 7.62×51mm Remington M24 SWS bolt-action rifle (Model 700), 7.62×66mmB Remington M24 SWS bolt-action rifle (Model 700) and the 12.7×99mm Barrett M82A1. Suppressive fire is provided by the 5.56×45mm FNMI M249E4 SPW light machine gun (FN MINIMI). The standard shotgun used to be the 18.5×70mmR Mossberg M500ATP8 Cruiser pump-action shotgun. Like all US special ops units, Delta also use the 40×46mmSR Colt M203A1 underbarrel grenade launcher mounted beneath M4A1 and M16A3 rifles. Portable antitank weapons include the 84mm Alliant M136 LAW light antitank weapon (Bofors AT4). I don't undestand why you seem so pissed at woodland, he just made some fairly miniscule errors in comparison to this fellow..

If you really want to know what the US special forces use, then look for US Army Pamphlet 350-39. It is a bit outdated(3 July, 1997) but sould give you a few good pointers to what is being used. And it is quite a selection of guns, 66 pages. Since it is *.pdf I won't quote all of it:
"Annual ammunition training requirement and training for the non-standard rifles
[i've left out the numbers and tables]
FNFAL
G3A4
M14
STG-77 ARG
FAMAS
AK47/AKM
M1200
M1903A4
M79
21A1 H&K
PSG
GALIL
M1 GARAND
SKS
M2 CARB"

[Ding Chavez]

spier if you actually read what i posted you would realize that i did not claim the weapons inventory list to be fact or my own, i simply came across it while researching the subject and was seeking out the opinions of the forum members here as to it's possible authenticity.

now to answer your question i don't think it the errors in his statements that everyone was turned off by it was his attitude.

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[Ding Chavez]

i'm almost scared to post this ;) but here goes anyways, as always i do not claim this information to be fact or my own i simply came across it while researching the subject and would like everyones opinion on it's possible authenticity.

Training

CAG has several methods of training ranging from mock-up buildings and airplanes to interactive simsense. They have the full use of two buildings devoted strictly to entry and live-action situations. Each building has four rooms with different scenarios for each room. For each room, live ammunition is used, and safety is a must.
In the first building there is a Friend-or-Foe room where the teams of four are to be able to react and suppress enemies while leaving the "hostages" unharmed. Acquisition time is only two to three seconds due to the augmentations that CAG members have from either previous deployment or augmentations done after they join CAG. The second room is where they must clear the room of all hostiles in the shortest possible amount of time, including finding and subduing the hidden targets, while the hostiles are shooting back at them. The third room is for night fighting, in which the team members must clear a room of only hostiles and leave the hostages alone while in total darkness, again, while using live ammunition. Members of CAG hate the night-fighting room. The fourth room is the ever-popular "airplane" in which they must simulate a raid on a crowded airplane cabin. The instructors recently received a program to allow the "terrorists" to start shooting hostages, as well as the team, if the team members react too slowly.
The second building has similar rooms, although there are new modifiers for each room sweeping scenario. The first room is contradictory to the night-fighting room. In this room, the group must clear the room of only hostiles while faced with glare, and the amount of glare changes from encounter to encounter, and the glare could be minimal (post-sunset) or maximum (spotlights directly shone at them). Flare Compensation helps, but it is still hard to see effectively in maximum lighting. And for those soldiers with visual reactive filters who think they can filter out the white light, the lights are not always white, or all white. The second room simulates an oil rig, complete with fake pyrotechnics in case something explosive is set off. A special type of ammunition which breaks up when it hits a solid barrier is the standard for this one, and many soldiers are weary of using explosives in it. The third room simulates a generic ship floating in water. Hydraulics, rain machines, and fans can actually simulate most storms, ranging from a slight drizzle to a hurricane. This is the most hated room in the whole base, and people are more weary of this room than they are of the night room. The fourth room is the miscellaneous room, and it is always changing. One day it might be another "friend-or-Foe" room, or it might simulate a desert, or it might simulate a snow storm, or it might just be a shooting gallery to test their speed and accurancy.
There are also several firing ranges in the compound, which has been separated from the rest of Fort Bragg, and it is almost always in use by someone, either practicing or testing for his monthly qualification test. Another popular room is the bomb room. This room simulates one of any different type of scenarios in which the demolitions expert has to disarm a bomb before it goes off. Failures are real cute, with the charge releasing any number of different substances on him. Some of the substances have been paint, confetti, compressed air, and smoke. There are also rooms to train their martial arts skills, as well as a fully equipped gym to work out in.
The members of CAG also cross-train frequently with other nations' counterterrorist organizations or Special Operations Groups. Some of the more frequent visitors (or hosts) include the German GSG-9, Navy SEALs (usually Team Six), and the British SAS. One of the most popular things for CAG and another SOF to do is to practice war games with one side being the terrorists or "Bad Guys" and they fight it out using non lethal ammunition (usually paint rounds or milspec stun rounds). Of all the groups, only the Israelis and the SEAL's Team Six have ever defeated CAG.
Of course, CAG has one other asset to train them: Simsense. Like many SWAT teams, CAG uses high-end interactive Simsense to simulate real combat, and the designers have even included a feedback program to simulate being "subdued", although it is actually quite harmless. The concept to use this for CAG came after the British upgraded their conflict rooms to allow simulated combat by projecting images from video cameras to two sets of teams, the SAS team, and the hostiles team. Using laser designators on their weapons, they played it out like so many children did with laser designators and receivers during the 1980's. CAG used this same concept until the invention of Simsense. CAG was then able to procur Simsense equipment and act it out there, with the option of several different scenarios and options. Over the years it has constantly been upgraded, and datajack hookups are common with CAG members. Most of their programming assistance has come from Fuchi, Transys Nueronet, and several freelance expert from both Tirs and the UCAS. The way situations are played out now is similar to what the British did, except that now they use Simsense connections and can choose several scenarios to act out conflicts.

[Duke]

Ding as long as your intentions are honest and well thought out, WRITE WHATEVER THE ****-ING **** YOU WANT.

[Ding Chavez]

roger that

[Ding Chavez]

here's another article i came across in regards to delta for anyone who wants to read it.

1st Special Forces Operational Detachment - D

ORGANIZATION

There are 3 Squadrons, broken down into an unknown number of Troops. Each Troop has 16 men. These are further broken down into four 4-man squads. Each squad is color-coded for organizational and control purposes. There are about 800 members of Delta, with about 225 "shooters". Of the 225 operators, 1/3 are snipers.

Detachment designations:

D - Command and Control (The Headquarters)

E - Communications, Intelligence and Administrative Support (includes finance, logistics, medical detachment, research and development, technology and electronics, etc.)

F - Operational Arm (The operators themselves)
The medical detachment maintains special doctors at Fort Bragg and various other bases around the country secretly, to provide medical assistance as needed.

"The Funny Platoon": This is the in-house Intelligence arm of Delta. They grew out of a long-running dispute/rivalry with ISA. They will infiltrate a country ahead of a Delta intervention to gather intelligence. They are the only US Special Operation Force to employ woman in a combat role (the only other SOF that has employed women at all has been Army Special Forces, and then, only in a training role).

Delta has acquired a small Aviation Squadron for limited in-house use. This consists of twelve AH-6 Attack and MH-6 Transport helicopters. These have been painted in civilian colors and have fake tail number IDs. They still rely on the 160th SOAR and USAF for larger operations.

MISSIONS

Counterterrorism

Proactive Counter-terrorism (Hunting individual terrorist leaders, attacks on terrorist camps, etc.)

POW recovery ops during wartime

Strategic Reconnaissance

Special Assault

Security

Assist in nuclear terror threats/recovery of nuclear devices

NOTES

All Delta members have pagers for 24-hour call-ups.

All operators in Delta have been issued Federal Weapons Permits, which allow them to travel anywhere armed. They are ALWAYS armed.

Delta has relaxed grooming standards (long hair, earrings, etc.) to assist in undercover ops.

All members of Delta and their families are given cover stories to prevent their unit affiliation from leaking out.

Delta is almost all US Army, but members of the Reserves, National Guard, and the other services can also apply. They will be placed on duty with the unit if selected and serve a 3-year tour with the unit.

UNCONFIRMED: I have come across several times the statement that Delta and SEAL Team 6 no longer go by those names. They are left on for dealing with the public but are referred to by some other designation in official communications. This, as I said, is unconfirmed, so use at your own discretion.

USING DELTA FORCE

Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta (SFOD-D AKA Combat Applications Group and Combat Development Group) involvement in a scenario could be handled in a number of ways. Any action taken outside of the United States could reasonably involve the unit, so if you tinker with the locales of a published scenario or create one of your own, you could slip them in that way. The missions undertaken by Special Operations Forces in today's environment are varied and give you a bit of latitude in involvement. Many units (SFOD-D included) have had their traditional missions muddied considerably by political necessity, military misuse and new threats. That is why you find SFOD-D hunting SCUDs in Desert Storm (a political necessity to keep Israel from broadening the war) or assisting in PeaceKeeping Operations in Somalia (a new threats environment). SFOD-D itself has grown from a hostage rescue force into a covert/clandestine special operations force with many missions outside of hostages. Factor in DG involvement and puppet-string pulling and any overseas mission could include Special Operations personnel with the flimsiest of justifications.

Domestically, the involvement gets trickier but far from unlikely. Having them attached as observers, advisors or liaisons can get them involved in any domestic operation. In any case where the threat of terrorism, weapons of mass destruction and so on are involved, military personnel from these units will be involved in these roles. SFOD-D is barred from performing domestic hostage operations (that is the responsibility of the FBI's HRT) but since the inception of Presidential Decision Directive-25 (PDD-25), Delta is exempt from the Posse Comitatus Act in other areas (as an interesting side note and possible Delta Green hook, naval forces are also technically exempt, hence the USMC is exempt).

The Joint Task Forces already mentioned provide another avenue for involvement (and a good DG manipulation hook). The Joint Task Forces grew out of then-Secretary of Defense **** Cheney's designation of drugs as a threat to national security and Congress followed by passing a defense authorization bill that directed the military to assist in training and materials for law enforcement engaged in drug enforcement and/or interdiction. The Joint Task Forces work with a sister organization within the Justice Department known as Operation Alliance. It is Operation Alliance's job to send requests for assistance from various law enforcement agencies to the appropriate Joint Task Force. The JTF then sees if aid is appropriate based on a set of criteria and forwards the request to the commander of Forces Command (Fort McPherson, GA) who has final authority to allocate personnel and resources. Each JTF has a regional headquarters and a legal staff. The controversy over this system is that many times the flimsiest of evidence and even just the "suspicion" of drugs is enough to allocate military resources (helicopters, APCs, personnel and so on).

RANKS AND REQUIREMENTS

Command structure:


SFOD-D Commanding Officer: Colonel

Deputy (XO): Lt. Colonel

Squadron Commanders: Lt. Colonel

Administrative/Intelligence/Logistics/Operations/Support Directorates

Commanders: Lt. Colonels

Troop Commanders: Captains or Majors, plus a Sergeant Major
Squad Commanders: Senior Sergeants

All members of SFOD-D are either Sergeants (E-5) or higher for enlisted or Captains or higher for officers.


To enter SFOD-D a candidate must meet the following criteria before beginning the training course:

Male (exceptions for the "Funny" platoon) and at least 22 years of age

Physical evaluation

PT test (including swim qualification)

Psychological evaluation and Background Investigation

Airborne-qualified or able to attend airborne training

Be between the ranks of E-5 (Sergeant) and E-7 (Sergeant First Class) for enlisted

Be either an O-3 (Captain) or O-4 Major with at least 1 year of command experience at the company level for officers

Enlisted must have at least a 110 or higher GT Score and officers must have either a BS or BA degree

ARMAMENTS

While SFOD-D has the ability to choose weapons outside of the US military arsenal, this is usually only done if a mission would require it for some reason (such as a covert operation). They mostly stay with US-issue weapons for logistical and maintenance reasons. The weapons commonly (but not exclusively) carried are:


M-16 series of weapons (depending upon the mission which variant that is carried)

Mossberg 500 Shotguns

Remington 870 Shotguns

M40 Sniping Systems

M21 Sniping Systems

HK MP-5 series of weapons

Beretta M9 Pistols

Colt M1911A1 Pistols

SOCCOM pistol system

Macmillian and Barrett .50 Weapons Systems (these were used in Desert Storm for disabling SCUDs from a distance)

[Chops]

Ding

This kit list look more realistic. Only things I know for sure are their use of custom .45s (Kimber, Wilson, PO etc), various M4s (I'm guessing/hoping the new Crane 6.8 was run through it's paces in the recent Gulf live fire), chopped 870 doorbusters and Rem 700 custom builds. I have heard that the SOCOM .45 is not widely liked nor used. PSG1s have been used by SASR and 22 in the past so it wouldn't surprise me if CAG have as well. Other than that it's pretty much conjecture...

rgds

Chops

[Ding Chavez]

roger that chops, thanks for the info.

[MaxximusUSA]

Ding,

there is actually no such thing as Delta Force. Don't let yourself be fooled by pop culture into believing that the Army has some kind of secret detachment of unstoppable Rambo supersoldiers. Its all sensationalistic bull$hit. As for your question, all spec ops units use whatever tools the individual job calls for. They have no secret weapons. Its all about knowing which tools are required for a particular situation, and having sufficient training to be able to use those tools effectively. regards

[Ding Chavez]

maxximususa although the pentagon has never officially confirmed their existence for obvious and probably some unobvious reasons, it's common knowledge that they exist but you don't have to take my word for it you can read the founder of delta force col. charlie a. beckwith's book yourself.

it's titled delta force: the army's elite counterterrorist unit and can be purchased here http://www.barnesandnoble.com

[JTFazz]

Even though I hate flame wars and stirring the pot, I will just share this. Woodland, if you want to be taken seriously, check your signature. It makes you look like a 13-year-old pock-faced geek. Anyone who has spent any amount of time on line knows that the favorite adjective of 13-year-old pock-faced geeks is "gay."

And just remember... arguing on the Internet is like competing in Special Olympics. Even if you win, you are still retarded.

Forgive me in advance, guys, for that "insensitive" post, but it seems appropriate.

[Apogee]

Wait, if Delta Force isn't real, then why'd they make all of the Delta Force movies with Chuck Norris. Yeah, thats what I thought....

[FallenAngel]

Wait, if Delta Force isn't real, then why'd they make all of the Delta Force movies with Chuck Norris. Yeah, thats what I thought....

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

oh yeah...and aliens exist because they made a movie about that too. LMAO! Funniest thing I've heard in a long time.

But in all seriousness, "Delta" (or CAG, 1SFOD-D, whatever.) is just like the airbase in Groom Lake Nevada (umm...'Area 51'). We have pictures of it. The Russians have pictures of it. It has the longest runway in the world. It has the world's largest hangar. People are sworn not to talk about it. You can be shot down for flying over it. You can be arrested for coming within 20 miles of it and you can be shot-on-site if you get any close than that to it. It's manned by US military personel. It's on the Federal Budget. It's equiped with the best security systems in the world. Its know the F117 and SR71 both were tested there...

and for 55+ years the government said "it" didn't exist. :D

[Beloved Shiv]

Ding,

there is actually no such thing as Delta Force. Don't let yourself be fooled by pop culture into believing that the Army has some kind of secret detachment of unstoppable Rambo supersoldiers. Its all sensationalistic bull$hit. As for your question, all spec ops units use whatever tools the individual job calls for. They have no secret weapons. Its all about knowing which tools are required for a particular situation, and having sufficient training to be able to use those tools effectively. regards

Yes, you're absolutely right, Maxximus. I'll stop reading the Delta featured articles in Teen Beat and Rolling Stone.

No one in this thread or any media source that I'm aware, has ever stipulated Delta operators are supersoldiers. Quite the opposite in fact, team-work being inculcated from first day of selection.

As for "secret weapons", again, you're quite clearly speaking from your posterior. Ding posted a list of known infantry arms and a few small arms with actual civilian models available - no secrecy was implied or stated at any time.

It's a free country, speak your mind, but doing so when actually informed is preferred.

Wishing I could <plonk> on the forum,

Shiv

[Ding Chavez]

"Yes, you're absolutely right, Maxximus. I'll stop reading the Delta featured articles in Teen Beat and Rolling Stone"

lol shiv

[MaxximusUSA]

"No one in this thread or any media source that I'm aware, has ever stipulated Delta operators are supersoldiers. Quite the opposite in fact, team-work being inculcated from first day of selection."

-Oh and I suppose you've gone through selection, eh?

"It's a free country, speak your mind, but doing so when actually informed is preferred."

-Don't assume that I am ignorant. What exactly makes YOU so "informed"? If you want to believe that there is a secret unit called Delta Force then go ahead and believe it. But even if it did exist, it doesn't do anyone any good to be talking about it...since its supposed to be a "secret" unit and all. Let them do their job and don't ask questions that you don't need answers to. Just a humble suggestion. regards.

[Zach R.]

Hood,can we have this little punk banned?

[Ding Chavez]

maxximususa first of all i don't think anyone here is jeopardizing delta force's opsec by discussing what we've been discussing, we're simply expressing our right to free speech just like eric l. haney, and charlie a. beckwith did when they published their books.

[Apogee]

You guys are getting WAY too wrapped around the axel about this dude. Just chill out, ignore his posts and go on your merry way. Thats all you gotta do. He is the Adam of the delta threads. Thats all. Plus, less typing will save you from the big ass mosters that live under ground, like in Tremors...

[D.E. Watters]

well guys check this out during my research on the subject i came across this list and i'd just like all your opinions on it's possible authenticity.

US Army 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-D Weapons Inventory


First, let's credit Hans-Christian Vortisch for the assembling the list quoted above by Ding.


First of all, there is no "7.62x66mmB" M24SWS

7.62x66mmB is the Metric designation for .300 Winchester Magnum. The desire to rebarrel from 7.62x51mm to .300 Win Mag is the reason why the M24 has a long-action receiver.


The FN MINIMI is not the M249 SPW (There is no such thing as the M249E4)

The FN Minimi was adopted by the US as the M249, and the SPW (Special Purpose Weapon) and Mk 46 Mod 0 are both variants of the base design. The later differ from the parent weapon in weight, barrel length, and the elimination of the M16 magazine interface.


Yeah, and the Mossberg 500 (What M500 ATP8 are you talking about?) is not 18.5x70mm! A 2-3/4" twelve gauge round is about 70mm long but you got the diameter dangerously wrong!

18.5x70mm is indeed the metric designation for 2.75" 12 gauge shotshells. 18.5x76mm translates to 3" 12 gauge loads. Mossberg's ATP-8 designation is fairly old, indicating the 'Mil-Spec' shotgun with an 8rd capacity.


There is no Colt M203A1 grenade launcher! The 40mm grenade round is not 40x46mm and what is SR??? It is 40mm thick but not 46mm long!

The M203A1 designation typically applies to the 9" barreled variant of the M203 as used with the M4 Carbine family. 40x46mmSR is a correct metric designation for the low-velocity 40mm grenade cartridges. SR = Semi-Rimmed, and the 46mm refers to the case length not the OAL. For comparison, the high velocity 40mm cartridges fired by the Mk 19 Mod 3 are 40x53mm.


"Standard longarm is the 5.56×45mm Colt M16A3 assault rifle (AR-15A3 Model 901)." The AR15 is the civilian semi-auto only M16! The M16A3 is not AR15A3 but JUST model 901! I seriously doubt that Delta uses the 20" barreled monster like the M16A3, they would go for the SPR rifle.

The list quoted above was compiled in 2001, predating most references to the SPR. BTW: AR15 is the rifle's original tradename; M16 is the US Military type classification for the selective fire AR15. All M16 are AR15s, but not all AR15s are M16.


"Flight crews use the 5.56×45mm KAC M4A1K Helicopter Aircrewman Weapon" There is no M4A1K. Sure, some even have a Colt Commando (10.5" barrel M16A2/M4 with Safe-Semi-Full selector and standard A2 sights or less frequently KAC foregrip rails and flat-top (A3) receivers with optics mounted.

Actually, the M4A1K were essentially a Colt Commando variant assembled by KAC. They differed in having a shortened pistol grip and a reduced area for the retracting stock's buttplate. This was a very small production lot, and would probably be supplimented ot replaced by the new CQBR variant.


"84mm Alliant M136 LAW light antitank weapon (Bofors AT4)" The M136 is not the LAW which is not the AT4! Alliant and Bofors are two different companies! The AT4 is much smaller than the M136 which is basically the old Carl-Gustav as used by the Army Rangers It is called the M3 I believe by the Rangers. A LAW is a 72mm single shot, retractable, folding sight AT weapon used in Vietnam!

I have seen the M136 (a licensed-production AT4) listed generically as a LAW or LAAW, if only to differentiate it from larger systems such as the 'medium' Javelin and heavy crew-served weapons such as the TOW. The M3 MAAWS is a Saab-Bofors M3, the lightweight version of the original 84mm Carl Gustav M2. The M136/AT4 family is a disposable variant.

The Vietnam-era weapon is the M72, which fires a 66mm rocket.

[Duke]

Who the hell is trying to resurrect the evil spirit of woodland/woodland!/doggonit55??!!

[D.E. Watters]

Who the hell is trying to resurrect the evil spirit of woodland/woodland!/doggonit55??!!

Sorry, I couldn't help correcting some of the mistakes shown above. (Please note that I deleted the majority of the vulgar comments.)

[Duke]

No! I'm not talking about your post, but by simply replying to Dog's post may cause him/it or whatever to return. Does someone have a cross and/or holy water?

[REMOV]

Does someone have a cross and/or holy water?
No, but... "we've got tactical smart missles, phased plasma cannon, pulse rifles, RPGs; we've got nukes, we've got knives, sharp sticks...!" [PFC Hudson "Aliens"] ;)

[Delta11]

Some things are wrong, but some things are right
"There is not f*** Colt M203A1 grenade launcher, you ass!"
Yes there is f*** nut. Its chambered in the f*** 40X46mm!
"The 40mm grenade round is not 40x46mm..." What the f*** did I say?? "It is 40mm thick but not 46mm long you asshole!" Again what the f*** did I say??
I dont know what the f*** SR is either but he's probably right about it.
"You f*** crackhead ass, dont even know your AT weapons right!!!" Its not AT. Asspunk bitch. If you dont know the difference between AT and CT, then you only understand TALKING POINTS. Thats military speak, mister. You look it up, there's a huge difference.
"Ok you ass freak, the M136 is not the LAW which is not the AT4! Alliant and Bofors are two different companies you ass!" GOTT IM HIMMEL!!! stupid f***. yes they are two different companies, but stupid ass ATK(alliant) is contracted to manufacture these f*** Light antitank weapons from Bofors. Straight out of Janes it says, "The M136 is the Sweedish Saab Bofors Dynamics AT4 HEAT."
"The AT4 is much smaller than the M136 which is basically the old Carl-Gustav as used by the Army Rangers It is called the M3 I believe by the Rangers. A LAW is a 72mm single shot, retractable, folding sight AT weapon used in Vietnam! It is quite light but not used much today because it doesn't penetrate much of today's armor. The AT4 is better at this. Go home and stop reading too much SWAT Weapons and Tactics magazine you ass! They dont know **** either! You are such a mess!!!"
HEY ALL THAT IN QUOTES IS TOTAL BULL****. GO DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!! f*** DUMBASS WANNABE WANNABE. Dont you know people on this board know their ****. You just made all this **** up.

You have some **** straight but overall I realize you dont know jack. you cant say im gay just because Ive pointed out your an idiot. Accept the facts you f*** only know TALKING POINTS.


Dukes, that is just too hilarious. And Ding Chavez, write whatever you want as long as your honest about it and don't mind arguments from people like woodland even if they are correct. You never said it was your "fact", you eventually came across it from research.

Edit: HOLY ****!! Why is the topic now completely different?

[Hellfish]

Noob digs up a two year old topic. :roll:

[Pirate_K]

well guys check this out during my research on the subject i came across this list and i'd just like all your opinions on it's possible authenticity.

US Army 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-D Weapons Inventory

Delta operators use a variety of sidearms, among them the standard 9×19mm Beretta M9 pistol (Model 92FS) and the compact 9×19mm SIG-Sauer M11 pistol (P228). The 11.43×23mm (.45 ACP) H&K MK23 MOD 0 OHWS suppressed pistol and 11.43×23mm (.45 ACP) H&K USP Tactical pistol are in service. However, the main sidearm is the 11.43×23mm (.45 ACP) Wilson Special Ops CQB pistol, a Colt M1911A1-clone made to their specifications. The 9×19mm H&K MP5-series is in use, of course, including the MP5K machine pistol, MP5A3 submachine gun and MP5SD3 suppressed submachine gun. Since the mid-1980s, Delta Force has used the 5.56×45mm Colt CAR-15A2 Model 723 assault carbine, which has now been replaced by the 5.56×45mm Colt M4A1 assault carbine (CAR-15A3 Model 927). Flight crews use the 5.56×45mm KAC M4A1K Helicopter Aircrewman Weapon, a shortened and sound-suppressed survival carbine. Standard longarm is the 5.56×45mm Colt M16A3 assault rifle (AR-15A3 Model 901). Sniper rifles include the 7.62×51mm H&K PSG1, the 7.62×51mm Remington M24 SWS bolt-action rifle (Model 700), 7.62×66mmB Remington M24 SWS bolt-action rifle (Model 700) and the 12.7×99mm Barrett M82A1. Suppressive fire is provided by the 5.56×45mm FNMI M249E4 SPW light machine gun (FN MINIMI). The standard shotgun used to be the 18.5×70mmR Mossberg M500ATP8 Cruiser pump-action shotgun. Like all US special ops units, Delta also use the 40×46mmSR Colt M203A1 underbarrel grenade launcher mounted beneath M4A1 and M16A3 rifles. Portable antitank weapons include the 84mm Alliant M136 LAW light antitank weapon (Bofors AT4).

As an addition i'd like to suggest some buds of mine are still fond of and still carry the old colt 1911 ... although much upgraded for the present day use it still serves us well... mine hasnt been fired in 2 years... me bad

[Pulsar]

saw a Delta guy in the PI - he carried an AK-47, asked him where he got it he said from a palace in Iraq.

[Creeper]

After reading 4 pgs of this, I have learned that I do not know shyte !!
> D.E. Waters- TY for your techical expertise (and not coming off like a shyte head toward others !) Well done, post more techno stuff.

> Pirate_K- right on, I carry a plain jane 1911 - love it ! never dies !

[PrincessRAR]

calm down children, they dont use weapons - they just look.

[Pulsar]

calm down children, they dont use weapons - they just look.

nah, they just look at you blankly...

only saw two specwarries that made me shiver just by the way they looked at me, a Gurkha and a Sikh...there's just that certain glint in the eye from a true warrior class that just cannot be duplicated by any Anglo-Saxon operator

[Erik2a4]

calm down children, they dont use weapons - they just look.

What is this Delta Force you speak of? Never heard of 'em...


Don't forget the popular CT method of crapping their pants and throwing it at them. I believed that was previously mentioned in another thread.

[Erik2a4]

Ding,

there is actually no such thing as Delta Force. Don't let yourself be fooled by pop culture into believing that the Army has some kind of secret detachment of unstoppable Rambo supersoldiers. Its all sensationalistic bull$hit. As for your question, all spec ops units use whatever tools the individual job calls for. They have no secret weapons. Its all about knowing which tools are required for a particular situation, and having sufficient training to be able to use those tools effectively. regards

:lol:

[PrincessRAR]

calm down children, they dont use weapons - they just look.

What is this Delta Force you speak of? Never heard of 'em...


Don't forget the popular CT method of crapping their pants and throwing it at them. I believed that was previously mentioned in another thread.

neither have i, but since so many people know so much about them, i thought id just look cool and post something in here.

[BiZ]

calm down children, they dont use weapons - they just look.

I believe they're armed with a hard look.....known to kill at 50 paces.

[gruntsuck]

calm down children, they dont use weapons - they just look.

What is this Delta Force you speak of? Never heard of 'em...


Don't forget the popular CT method of crapping their pants and throwing it at them. I believed that was previously mentioned in another thread.

neither have i, but since so many people know so much about them, i thought id just look cool and post something in here.

Well instead of just posting nothing, why dont you tell us a warrie, like that you served with them in Somalia and were shot or something like that???

[Seraphim]

...

[mudbunny]

WOW!!! Arent you just pumping bull**** and crap out of your ASS today? Calls himself an expert the dumbass.

First of all, there is no "7.62x66mmB" M24SWS, go home and read instead of playing computer games all day you uneducated boor! The FN MINIMI is not the M249 SPW (There is no such thing as the M249E4 you damn ass, you are pasting numbers left and right, asshole!) Yeah, and the Mossberg 500 (What f*** M500ATP8 are you talking about? Making up crap again?) is not 18.5x70mm! A 2 3/4" twelve gauge round is about 70mm long but you got the diameter dangerously wrong!

More of your bull****: "Delta also use the 40×46mmSR Colt M203A1 underbarrel grenade launcher" There is not f*** Colt M203A1 grenade launcher, you ass! The 40mm grenade round is not 40x46mm and what the f*** is SR??? Bull****ing freak! It is 40mm thick but not 46mm long you asshole!

"Standard longarm is the 5.56×45mm Colt M16A3 assault rifle (AR-15A3 Model 901)." f*** ass bitch! The AR15 is the civilian semi-auto only M16! The M16A3 is not AR15A3 but JUST model 901! Dumb ass! I seriously doubt that Delta uses the 20" barreled monster like the M16A3, they would go for the SPR rifle however which is a precision M16 with a Krieger 18" barrel and flip up front and rear sights with a full length PRI FF handguard with the M1913 rail on top to mount scopes on, modified by Crane NTWS and which has the old M16A1 stock (shorter stock for body armor but better cheek weld than carbine stock, the latest SPR model I have seen has the new retractable Crane stock however...). Dumb asshole.... YOU DONT KNOW ****!

More crap: "Flight crews use the 5.56×45mm KAC M4A1K Helicopter Aircrewman Weapon" There is no f*** M4A1K. No such f*** weapon! Delta has no aircrew!!! You dumb freak! Ever hear of the 160th SOAR? Those boys haul Special Forces and Delta boys.... Watch Black Hawk Down you crap ass dumb nut. SOAR pilots used to get MP5K PDW's (check hkpro.com to see what it is, you dumb ass) so the MP5A3 used in BHD is inaccurate, however even those are so bulky when strapped onto the thighs of pilots that most carry a pistol, such as the M9 or the SIG P226 which they pilfer from places Sure, some might pack an MP5K still when they are in a real war (such as Iraq) or even have a Colt Commando (10.5" barrel M16A2/M4 with Safe-Semi-Full selector and standard A2 sights or less frequently KAC foregrip rails and flat-top (A3) receivers with optics mounted.

You f*** crackhead ass, dont even know your AT weapons right!!!!

"84mm Alliant M136 LAW light antitank weapon (Bofors AT4)" Ok you ass freak, the M136 is not the LAW which is not the AT4! Alliant and Bofors are two different companies you ass! The AT4 is much smaller than the M136 which is basically the old Carl-Gustav as used by the Army Rangers It is called the M3 I believe by the Rangers. A LAW is a 72mm single shot, retractable, folding sight AT weapon used in Vietnam! It is quite light but not used much today because it doesn't penetrate much of today's armor. The AT4 is better at this. Go home and stop reading too much SWAT Weapons and Tactics magazine you ass! They dont know **** either! You are such a mess!!!

I can't correct all of your bull**** mistakes, however, I can only say: YOU DONT KNOW ****! GET THE FACT RIGHT! STOP MAKING UP STUFF!!!

Also: the PSG1 is a very heavy 7.62x51mm sniper rifle, not used by armies but by police who need semi-auto fire more and can care less about the weight of the weapon. Most modern MILITARY snipers use various bolt action rifles if we are talking about 7.62mm rifles. The M82 rifle is totally different as that is meant to be an anti-materiel rifle not anti-personel!!! Get your fact straight you crap ass! So Delta would use a modified Remi 700 such as the M24SWS or various others such as the McMillan rifles or the HS-Precision 7.62mm rifles based on the Remington 700's action.... GO AND GET THE FACT STRAIGHT OR SHUT UP YOU STUPID ASS!!!

Thank you,

woodland! is a gay uneducated ass much like Ding Chavez who thinks he is all elite 'cause he read Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six book but perhaps not even that since he can't read it seems, so he played those stupid Rainbow Six computer games!

Wow, you did a good job of dressing down, more than likely, some 12 year old kid who just wanted some info from guys who have some mil. experience, so, do your balls feel any bigger right now? MAybe you should stick to anally raping blind senior citizens and stealing little kids bikes. Asswipe.

[Chops]

Mudbunny

Chill- watch your content please. Also, trust me- Woodland was one of the very worst trolls/spammers/general pains in the asses this site has ever seen. And Duke was a very cool, if perhaps a tad cranky, BTDT- no idea if he's still around.

rgds, C

[RAF]

Your all full of ****, I have it from a good, reliable source that Delta use weapons captured from the crashed alien spacecraft at Roswell, so go figure.

[Argyll]

Hence why this is getting locked,you all know jack ****!!!