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scoone
02-09-2004, 04:38 PM
Mon February 9, 2004 02:29 PM ET
By Joe Logan
BAGHDAD (*******) - A militant Islamist who the United States has described as an associate of Osama bin Laden has plotted a series of attacks in Iraq aimed at provoking a civil war, the U.S.-led occupation authority said Monday.

Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said U.S. forces had seized a computer disc that contained a letter outlining the plan written by Abu Musab Zarqawi, who Washington suspects of links to Ansar al-Islam -- a Muslim militant group operating in Iraq.

"There is clearly a plan on the part of outsiders to come into this country and spark civil war, breed sectarian violence and try to expose fissures in the society," Kimmitt, the top U.S. military spokesman in Iraq, told a news conference.

"We are persuaded that Zarqawi was the author of the letter ... We believe the document is credible and we take the threat seriously," he added.

In October, Washington offered a reward of up to $5 million for information leading to the arrest or conviction of Zarqawi, who featured prominently in a presentation of U.S. intelligence by Secretary of State Colin Powell before the war in Iraq.

"Iraq today harbors a deadly terrorist network headed by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, an associate and collaborator of Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda lieutenants," Powell said at the time.

He said Zarqawi oversaw a terrorist training camp in Afghanistan that specialized in poisons. He is also suspected of orchestrating the murder of U.S. diplomat Laurence Foley in the Jordanian capital in 2002.

Zarqawi was sentenced to death in absentia by a Jordanian court last year for plotting attacks against U.S. and Israeli targets.

PROVOKING VIOLENCE

In Washington Monday, Powell said the letter added credence to his presentation to the United Nations last year.

"With respect to the letter itself, it's very revealing. They describe the weaknesses they have in their efforts to undercut the coalition's effort.


"But at the same time, it shows they haven't given up. They're trying to get more terrorists into Iraq...But they will not succeed," Powell added.
Iraq's U.S. occupiers have long said they suspect al Qaeda has played a role in the insurgency against U.S. troops and particularly in attacks on civilian targets in Iraq.

U.S. officials say last month's arrest by U.S. troops in Iraq of Hassan Ghul, who they say reported to the operative responsible for the September 11 attacks -- Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, shows al Qaeda is trying to get a foothold in Iraq.

Dan Senor, chief spokesman for Iraq's U.S. governor Paul Bremer, said the 17-page letter proposed attacks on the shrines and leadership of Iraq's Shi'ite Muslim majority, whom Arab Sunnis and Kurds fear could dominate a future government.

"The document ... talks about a strategy of provoking violence targeted at the Shia, the Shia leaders in the hope that it would provoke reprisals against other ethnic groups in the country," he said.

The document's author alludes to having conducted some 25 attacks in Iraq, Kimmitt said.

Senior U.S. officials in Baghdad said the letter was contained on a CD obtained in Ghul's capture, which also led to the identification of Zarqawi as its author.

Another official said the letter spoke of the possibility of kidnapping U.S. soldiers and expressed frustration at the participation of Sunnis in Iraqi security forces.

"Before, we had a strong suspicion that al Qaeda was trying to operate in the country, kill coalition soldiers and create sectarian violence," that official said. "This confirms it."

Asked how questions about the document's authenticity might be addressed, one senior U.S. official said: "We couldn't make this up if we tried."

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usa320
02-09-2004, 04:46 PM
feck em...them al queda bastards are screw- either in Afghanistan or Iraq, well kick their asses. Anytime anyplace.

Uninen
02-09-2004, 04:49 PM
Operation Anaconda comes to mind..

It was kinda another way around..

:cantbeli:

ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
02-09-2004, 05:02 PM
So much for muslims loving other muslims eh? They are sure going to be spending alot of time with allah when he finds out they are trying to start a civil war in a muslim country :cantbeli:

Sixgun Symphony
02-09-2004, 05:20 PM
Let 'em enter Iraq. Better to fight them over there than to have them coming here to north America.

Seoulstriker
02-09-2004, 05:23 PM
Operation Anaconda comes to mind..

It was kinda another way around..

:cantbeli:


i don't think you understood what actually was the situation there. :roll:

Uninen
02-09-2004, 07:08 PM
I think i do..

couple of things..

Which first was that US didnt know that there would be massed (1000+) enemy there.. US was thinking that there would be 100 to 300 and that those would not be prepared.. but the enemy was well dug in and equipet.. and that the Al-Qaida agents had succesfully penetrated the US organisation and that enemy made use of the intel gained.. like those orange 'iff flags'..

Also,

Al-Qaida beated US ground andvance(s) back and pinned that heliborne comppany down on their own LZ where they were mostly shot up.. only thing that saved US forces from doom there was massive use of airpower, but even that didnt come without cost.. but you lost plenty helicopters damaged and downed including AH-1, AH-64 and CH-47.. and finaly after the battle turned, most of the enemy still escaped unmolested..

:roll:

What was that, that i did not understand?

;)

Maverick77
02-09-2004, 07:32 PM
That the U.S and Canadians took their objectives destroyed a **** load of weapons caches and a ton of caves.

Enemy KIA: over 1000
U.S KIA: 9
Cdn:0

Thats what you missed

Uninen
02-09-2004, 08:04 PM
:lol:

No?

Enemy KIA 100 to 300, US KIA and WIA well over 100.

(even that single company that landed on HOT LZ and got pinned down for days suffred more than 38 WIA..)

:|

Maverick77
02-09-2004, 08:06 PM
JTF2 and the green berets recorded over 200 kills themsleves up there without a single casualty

Maverick77
02-09-2004, 08:08 PM
so how is it "the other way around"

9 KIA to upwards of 1500

i dont get it.

Sixgun Symphony
02-09-2004, 08:09 PM
That the U.S and Canadians took their objectives destroyed a **** load of weapons caches and a ton of caves.

Enemy KIA: over 1000
U.S KIA: 9
Cdn:0

Thats what you missed


Ditto

Whistler
02-09-2004, 08:21 PM
Operation Anaconda comes to mind..

It was kinda another way around..

:cantbeli:

9 Allied KIA vs 1000+ enemy KIA = "other way around"?

rofl

Either way the US coalition is doing a hell of a lot better than your beloved Russian Federation Forces ever did...

Falco
02-09-2004, 08:26 PM
They had a different approach I guess. "Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make all of them yourself."

Uninen
02-09-2004, 08:44 PM
Either way the US coalition is doing a hell of a lot better than your beloved Russian Federation Forces ever did...

:roll:

My beloved?

WTF?

Those guys actually are my only and real enemy, if theres ever going to a war..

:backhand:

Falco
02-09-2004, 08:45 PM
what guys?

Uninen
02-09-2004, 08:52 PM
Here:

http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020318/popup/

8+3 / about 450

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/central/03/04/ret.afghan.fighting/

Franks estimated the number of dead al Qaeda and Taliban fighters at between 100 and 200. He said "hundreds" of enemy fighters were believed to be in the target area, which covers 60 to 70 square miles in the Shahi Kot mountains around Gardez, about 100 miles (160 kilometers) south of the Afghan capital, Kabul.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/02/03/20_anaconda.html

Unfortunately for the General, even U.S. intelligence privately admits that the body count of the Afghan rebels has been small (only 20 to 30 bodies).

rofl

Bottom line:

20 TO 450 enemy KIA, Operation Anaconda was a failure.

:cantbeli:

Uninen
02-09-2004, 08:52 PM
what guys?

Ruskies..

rofl

Falco
02-09-2004, 08:54 PM
20 TO 450 enemy KIA, Operation Anaconda was a failure.


What were the objectives? The success of a mission is not always dependant on the number of kills.

Uninen
02-09-2004, 08:59 PM
Falco,

Operation Anacondas only objective was to elimitate all enemy fighters..

That didnt happen, as like ive said already, most escaped unmolested.

Operatio Anaconda: FAILURE, F-

:|

usa320
02-09-2004, 10:30 PM
No?

Enemy KIA 100 to 300, US KIA and WIA well over 100.

(even that single company that landed on HOT LZ and got pinned down for days suffred more than 38 WIA..)


ok.



stop.


turn of Al Jazeera.

We lost 9 troops in Operation Anoconda and kicked some serious ass.

We destroyed tons of weapons caches, took hundreds of prisoeners, collected a ****load of intelligence...

They lost upwards of 1000 personel.

Who cares if we used airpower. THe goal of war isnt to be fair, or to have a good fight. It is to kick their asses however possible- to win, as long as its within the G.C.