Enfields. Pros and Cons

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Thinking of getting a Enfield.

I need some pro's and cons

Geezah Durandal?

[California Joe]

Which version? I've got an old school No 1 Mk III made in Lithgow in 1942. The ammo is cheap, you can still get a No 4 nearly new relatively cheap. I need to buy one of those.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Great rifles - accurate and reliable, however they do have a tendancy to loose accuracy in wet weather. This may sound odd, but it is a well-known fact amongst British/Commonwealth target shooters - it's reckoned to be something to do with the rear-locking bolt. BTW accuracy on Lee Enfields is OK at shorter ranges, but ti is at longer ranges, i.e. 800m+ where they really come into their own.

In the old days at Bisley, Mauser actioned rifles were often popular for shorter-range disciplines, but the Enfields rules the roost on the long-range shoots.

This may sound like BS, but believe me, it's true!

What's ammo availability like these days - commercial and Mil-surplus - not sure how many countries still manufacture .303

I've got a free slot on my Firearm Certificate for a .303 or 7mm, must get a Lee Enfield on of these days

[Durandal]

Thinking of getting a Enfield.

I need some pro's and cons

Geezah Durandal?

I have never paid more than 100 USD for one, so I say find a good one for cheap and see how you like it.

I plan on owning a collection of Enfields...but have had other priorities since popping the question to my lady, so that may be on hold till after the wedding.

I DID by a mint 1917 Mauser though...

Its amazing how when she is used to me buying guns that cost over 400.00 she does not even blink at 80.00.

rofl

I'd get one. Personally I'd start with a No. 4 MK I. Then branch out if you like it. There are a lot of rifles out there though, so if you get bit by the bug, don't blame me. :)

[a_very_ex_STAB]

I have a Lee Enfield No.4 Mk2 manufactured in 1952 (one of the last ones to be made I think).

A great rifle. Very accurate. I really enjoy shooting with it. Probably the ultimate military bolt action battle rifle a real piece of military history.

If you can find one in good condition go for it.

I particularly like the No.4 Mk2 because in addition to the battle sights (calibrated for 300 yds) it has a micrometer rear sight calibrated up to 1300 yds (a tad optimistic for me). Because it is a post-war model (manufactured from 1947 on I thinkg) it didn't suffer so much from the unavoidable wartime manufacturing variabilities that affected some of the earlier ones.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Great rifles - accurate and reliable, however they do have a tendancy to loose accuracy in wet weather. This may sound odd, but it is a well-known fact amongst British/Commonwealth target shooters - it's reckoned to be something to do with the rear-locking bolt. BTW accuracy on Lee Enfields is OK at shorter ranges, but ti is at longer ranges, i.e. 800m+ where they really come into their own.

In the old days at Bisley, Mauser actioned rifles were often popular for shorter-range disciplines, but the Enfields rules the roost on the long-range shoots.

This may sound like BS, but believe me, it's true!

What's ammo availability like these days - commercial and Mil-surplus - not sure how many countries still manufacture .303

I've got a free slot on my Firearm Certificate for a .303 or 7mm, must get a Lee Enfield on of these days

It's still easy to get .303 ammo in the UK.
There's also some interesting modern variations on the Lee Enfield theme around at the moment in the UK market incl variants of the Lee Enfield jungle carbine which fire 7.62x39mm Russian ammo of all things.

[sergey31]

Wolf makes .303
http://www.wolfammo.com/1_wolfgold.htm

[oldsoak]

You can either go .303 - in which case go for a mk IV - or go for a 7.62 version - as made by Ishapore or theres a new outfit making them. .303 ammo is not hard to come by in Aus/NZ region. You can get Winchester commercial loads ( PMC as well ) . Good rifle, get yourself one with a good bore checked out by a gunsmith - you wont regret it.

[DeltaWhisky58]

It's still easy to get .303 ammo in the UK.
There's also some interesting modern variations on the Lee Enfield theme around at the moment in the UK market incl variants of the Lee Enfield jungle carbine which fire 7.62x39mm Russian ammo of all things.

I saw an advert for the 7.62x39 carbine recently - there are also 9x19mm and .45ACP conversions kicking about. If I do by a Lee Enfield, I would prefer an original one, and I have to say that the No.4 Mk.2 which I have used extensively in the past does appeal over the wartime production which as you say can be a bit "iffy".

I was offered a boxed/matching No.4 Mk.1T about ten years ago for £300 - imagine how many times I've regretted not buying that when I had the chance.

Anyone know where the L42A1s went after the L96A1 was adopted?

I don't mind reloading .303 - I already load several rifle calibres, so another one wouldn't hurt.

[Geezah]

Thinking of getting a Enfield.

No, I do not believe you would be safe with a scary looking child killer, especially if you go out dressed in rubber;-)



I need some pro's and cons

Pros:They are great to shoot, I've been able to shoot a few and so far Swingset had the best one, which was set up as a sharp shooter/sniper rifle with original scope and cheek rest.
Get one you'll be pleased.

Cons:I don't own one yet.



Geezah Durandal?

I don't own one, so I can't really give you a great acount of what they are like, as far as breaking them down, cleaning and so forth. But at some point int he future I will.

[Limeyfellow]

The only problem I would see is the .303 British being rimmed can sometimes cause a few problems when you really sending lead down the range, so it has to be places in chargers one up, one down. Of course an Enfield in .308 doesn't have this problem.

I not had much problems firing the Enfield wet and losing the accuracy. True they are built quite loose with the headspace but they are near damn impossible to jam and are still used in many countries and have enjoyed a great service for decades. They are just the fastest and smoothest bolt action military surplus I've used.

Enfields were also the main British sniper rifle from before WW1 till the late 80s and worked great.

[Jippo]

Great rifles - accurate and reliable, however they do have a tendancy to loose accuracy in wet weather. This may sound odd, but it is a well-known fact amongst British/Commonwealth target shooters - it's reckoned to be something to do with the rear-locking bolt.

Couldn't it be the wooden parts? Enfield hasn't excatly got a free float barrel, and as the wood gets wet it expands making it even less free float. :) I do not know, but I would blame the 'living' (<- moving, twisting, expanding and retracting) of the furniture.


-jippo

[California Joe]

The last time I saw a matched set boxed No.4 Mk.1T was at a gun show about 10 years ago and they wanted about 1200 US for it. Man I'd love to get my hands on one of those or the L42A1.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Couldn't it be the wooden parts? Enfield hasn't excatly got a free float barrel, and as the wood gets wet it expands making it even less free float. :) I do not know, but I would blame the 'living' (<- moving, twisting, expanding and retracting) of the furniture.


-jippo

Odd thought may seem, the problem of shooting long range in the wet was always put down to the action of the Lee Enfield - bearing in mind this was shooting side-by-side with equally wood-stocked Mausers.

That aside, there is no other bolt-gun out there as slick as the Lee Enfield for rapid fire - in early WW1 when the British Army was 100% profesional soldiers, their rapid volley-fire was so good, the Germans thought we had many more machine guns than we actually had.


The last time I saw a matched set boxed No.4 Mk.1T was at a gun show about 10 years ago and they wanted about 1200 US for it. Man I'd love to get my hands on one of those or the L42A1.

You and me both pal - but I've never seen an L42A1 for sale. Matched No.4 Mk.Ts are fetching £1000.00+ here now. Caveat - quite a few hooky (i.e. non-matched or post-war put-together fake) Mk.1Ts around these days. Should be stamped Holland & Holland inside the wood as well as on the metal.

Personally I'd really like an L96A1 or L115A1, but they are running £2800 and £3600 apiece without whistles and bells - scope and mounts extra, so no change out of £5000 for an L96A1 with mounts and S&B mil-dot scope!

Doesn't stop me dreaming though.

[California Joe]

I just looked up some sites and they conservatively place the value of a matched boxed T as 1800 to 2000 US so that's about right. Not many military arms get restocked in nice walnut and tuned by Holland & Holland.:)

I remember reading a Shotgun News ad a long time ago for one of those big surplus companies like Sarco or Samco or one of those and they had what they claimed were L42A1's but they only had about 40 of them and they were without scopes. They were still gone within about 24 hours......I'm not even sure if they were real. I may buy a couple of No 4s, keep one original and make a pretend one....Much cheaper....p-)

[Geezah]

Durandal, do you have any pictures of me shooting Swingset's Enfield???

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Just remember though.

Just because I'm thinking of getting a enfield. Doesent mean to say I've gone all soft and become pro gun hmmmmm kay?

[tuercas]

i own a lithgow n1 mk3 dated 1945 unissued. it was parkerizied at some point which makes the action a little rough but its still a great shooter. i usually shoot south african surplus .303. i was able to get about 200 round for about 20 bucks from aim surplus. comercial ammo i prefer sellier and bellot. they are excellent weapons for little money, next best are moisin nagant m44 but they have a hell of recoil.

[DeltaWhisky58]

I just looked up some sites and they conservatively place the value of a matched boxed T as 1800 to 2000 US so that's about right. Not many military arms get restocked in nice walnut and tuned by Holland & Holland.:)

I remember reading a Shotgun News ad a long time ago for one of those big surplus companies like Sarco or Samco or one of those and they had what they claimed were L42A1's but they only had about 40 of them and they were without scopes. They were still gone within about 24 hours......I'm not even sure if they were real. I may buy a couple of No 4s, keep one original and make a pretend one....Much cheaper....p-)

Better off to make a pretend L42A1 as the No.32 scope isn't really all that nice - well not by modern standards, especially compared to my Schmidt und Benders!

[Graeme]

I was offered a boxed/matching No.4 Mk.1T about ten years ago for £300 - imagine how many times I've regretted not buying that when I had the chance.




£300? F*ck me!
An unmatched No.32 scope will cost you that these days(Want to buy mine? :P)

Oh, and while I remember....
The No.32 is crap by modern standards, rugged, but crap :)

[California Joe]

You're right mate, the L42A1 would be easier to fake. heh. Just cut down a stock and fashion a cheekpiece......:) But it's snowing like a bastard here right now and I could use a hard looking battle rifle that could withstand the elements whilst hunting deer this week......p-)

[Geezah]

Just remember though.

Just because I'm thinking of getting a enfield. Doesent mean to say I've gone all soft and become pro gun hmmmmm kay?

Yeah right, if you weren't going all gun crazy you would get somethign that fires 22LR not a people eater! p-)

[StukaJr]

Just remember though.

Just because I'm thinking of getting a enfield. Doesent mean to say I've gone all soft and become pro gun hmmmmm kay?

Well, you either:

a) realize that the legal firearm ownership is not the problem, get off the soapbox and concentrate your energy on something worth while, like collecting, instead of constantly opposing something
b) become a hypocrite gun owning anti-gun nut
or
c) become a hypocrite gun owner whom only speaks out the unessessary evil of the guns he/she does not own.

Just join the Dark Side already! :D

[DeltaWhisky58]

£300? F*ck me!
An unmatched No.32 scope will cost you that these days(Want to buy mine? :P)

Oh, and while I remember....
The No.32 is crap by modern standards, rugged, but crap :)

You're not kidding compared to my 8x56, 6x42 and 4x36 Schmidt und Benders!


You're right mate, the L42A1 would be easier to fake. heh. Just cut down a stock and fashion a cheekpiece......:) But it's snowing like a bastard here right now and I could use a hard looking battle rifle that could withstand the elements whilst hunting deer this week......p-)

Back in the 70s, Parker Hale used to do a very serviceable .303/7.62mm sporter which was basically the same as the L42A1 - they were fine rifles, but I haven't seen one in ages.

[California Joe]

I remember that, they used to market them in this country through Navy Arms......

I also read from several sources that British infantrymen could fire up to 30, that's right, 30 rounds per minute with reloading obviously, in WWI.

[Flagg]

Just remember though.

Just because I'm thinking of getting a enfield. Doesent mean to say I've gone all soft and become pro gun hmmmmm kay?

We understand it's strictly for historical preservation purposes, we wont hold it against ya ;)

The good news for us way down here is that Lee Enfields are as common as All Black test wins and ammunition is still relatively common and cheap.

I've got my eye out for a Lee Enfield Jungle Carbine(as a novelty and a cheap bush-bashing rifle).....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Jungle_Carbine.jpg

but it's a bit further down the list at the moment.

I'm a bit stuck on Swedish 6.5mm right now......looking at a deal on a Ljungman AG42B to complement the new M/38 Mauser.

[Laworkerbee]

Thinking of getting a Enfield.

I need some pro's and cons

Geezah Durandal?

Get one I own 3 and I love them completely.

I just need an Aussie #5 to complete the collection

[Limeyfellow]

The biggest problem is if you get one you often end up with two or three more.

[LtVacan]

I've been shooting Lee Enfields off and on since the 1960s. They are great rifles with the fastest bolt action that I've ever shot. I have one that was made in 1952 and was unissued when I bought it in the late '80s. I paid about $100 US for it.

[GreatWarAZUS]

I own and shoot a BSA No.1 Mk.3 made in 1917. One of my favorite rifles to shoot, you can bet on that!

-GreatWarAZUS

[Otsoa]

The biggest problem is if you get one you often end up with two or three more.


Truer words have never been spoken ;)

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Anyone know where the L42A1s went after the L96A1 was adopted?


Maybe the L42A1s are still in the British Government's reserve stocks. I have seen quite a few Enfield Enforcers out there which are virtually identical AFAIK and not very expensive. They still get used at practical rifle comps.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Don't be in too much of a hurry to by a No.5 "Jungle Carbine" unless for collecting purposes - believe me, they do not have the sweet-shooting properties of the other either in recoil or accuracy - recoil is horrendous, accuracy ain't great and the muzzle blast isn't too nice either!

[Durandal]

Durandal, do you have any pictures of me shooting Swingset's Enfield???

Unfortunately, no. I may have a pic of it lying around somewhere though. Let me look.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Maybe the L42A1s are still in the British Government's reserve stocks. I have seen quite a few Enfield Enforcers out there which are virtually identical AFAIK and not very expensive. They still get used at practical rifle comps.

I think you may possibly be right there - heard it rumoured that heaps of L4 LMGs are also still in stock - hope they kept back some SLRs as well and didn't sell too many to Sierra Leone - they bought 30,000 for £2 each!

[a_very_ex_STAB]

I think you may possibly be right there - heard it rumoured that heaps of L4 LMGs are also still in stock - hope they kept back some SLRs as well and didn't sell too many to Sierra Leone - they bought 30,000 for £2 each!

Wow £2 each! I'd have been prepared to give one a good home for a lot more than that (if the law allowed it)

[wiking]

An Enfield is on my wish list to, but i fear i won't be owning one in the foreseable future :-(

I just started collecting, and have some British webbing and stuff now. Keep this up for a few years, and i might just be able to get a collectors license :)

But if the suggestions for new laws comes through here in Norway, then i'll sure as hell be getting me hands on an Enfield, seeing as it will make it alot easyer to get a hold of some weapons. The idea being that instead of causing alot of paper work to prove the need of a weapon to the coppers as is done now (one reason why you can often have problems getting 2 weapons in the same caliber) they wan't to make it so that a person with a licence can own something like 8 weapons (shotguns and rifles) that they choose themselves, to suit their wants and needs.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

But if the suggestions for new laws comes through here in Norway, then i'll sure as hell be getting me hands on an Enfield, seeing as it will make it alot easyer to get a hold of some weapons. The idea being that instead of causing alot of paper work to prove the need of a weapon to the coppers as is done now (one reason why you can often have problems getting 2 weapons in the same caliber) they wan't to make it so that a person with a licence can own something like 8 weapons (shotguns and rifles) that they choose themselves, to suit their wants and needs.

We can only dream of having a legal system like yours in the UK

[wiking]

We can only dream of having a legal system like yours in the UK

even now, though the paper work is big and there's a fair few restrictions, we still have among the most liberal laws in all of the western world. Outmatched only by the US and Switzerland i should think.

The rules aren't to become fewer or less restictive, they'd never bloody ever go for that, guns are politcally incorrect here to. But they wan't to remove some paper work and make it simpler to understand and follow. As it is today, allmost every local police station has slightly diffrent interpretations, and there's a few thousand memos in existance, that no one knows what says or barely know where to get a hold off.

But i'm bloody glad, i hope i can get my hunting licence soon. Then it's off to the local death merchant down the road and pick out a few new toys i wish to give a nice home :)

[a_very_ex_STAB]

even now, though the paper work is big and there's a fair few restrictions, we still have among the most liberal laws in all of the western world. Outmatched only by the US and Switzerland i should think.

The rules aren't to become fewer or less restictive, they'd never bloody ever go for that, guns are politcally incorrect here to. But they wan't to remove some paper work and make it simpler to understand and follow. As it is today, allmost every local police station has slightly diffrent interpretations, and there's a few thousand memos in existance, that no one knows what says or barely know where to get a hold off.

But i'm bloody glad, i hope i can get my hunting licence soon. Then it's off to the local death merchant down the road and pick out a few new toys i wish to give a nice home :)

What do you hunt up there - reindeer? On skis? :)

[wiking]

What do you hunt up there - reindeer? On skis? :) Deer mostly in my part of norway. Reindeer is further north.

A wolf once in a while, and a bear or two when he gets to close or kill sheep (i don't support that by the way).
And of course various birds. the hunting is about the same is in most Northern Europe and the British isles i should think.

And of course, a the odd hiker or berry plucker who all have one thing in commen, a hatred for the evil, murderious barbaric bastards who kill bambi and all his little friends.

[aclark79]

I loved my .303. I had a 44 Longbranch we got surplus from Canada, in perfect condition. I should never have sold it, its the gun I regret selling the most. Only paid 100.00 for it with all the accessories. I've been looking for a good one since then.

Are you used to only shooting automatics? The recoil might be a bit high for you then, but there are lots of modifications you can make to an Enfield. I would recomend getting two, one you keep in stock condition, one you modify, current stock, better recoil pads, scope mount etc etc.

They are really great guns and you'll never have any trouble stocking up on .303.

here is a good site for quality Enfield reproductions, but I agree with DeltaWhisky, shooting a jungle carbine is a bitch and a half. (not that I've shot a real one, I've never even seen an authentic one).

http://www.gibbsrifle.com/history.html

[Flagg]

Don't be in too much of a hurry to by a No.5 "Jungle Carbine" unless for collecting purposes - believe me, they do not have the sweet-shooting properties of the other either in recoil or accuracy - recoil is horrendous, accuracy ain't great and the muzzle blast isn't too nice either!

I did not know that...cheers for the feedback.

[kinghk]

I'm a bit stuck on Swedish 6.5mm right now......looking at a deal on a Ljungman AG42B to complement the new M/38 Mauser.

I've fired some rounds with the Ljungmann. Nice rifle, but it's heavy and long. Spare mags are expensive because each rifle came with only one mag, you're supposed to reload with ammo strips like with the German Mauser. The bolt carrier is a threat to your thumb, load and you'll see why. Rouours says that you can fit a 20 round Bren mag to the Ljungmann with some help from a Dremel.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

I did not know that...cheers for the feedback.

I have fired enfields before. At the best of times they kick like a mule anyway. Or maybe that could be my small body mass.

Either way.

[kinghk]

even now, though the paper work is big and there's a fair few restrictions, we still have among the most liberal laws in all of the western world. Outmatched only by the US and Switzerland i should think.


Finland have about the same laws. Dunno what they have in France, Italy, Spain, Austria, Holland and Germany, but semi-auto rifles like AR-15 and SIG551/550 are available there as well, I doubt that our gunlaws are that much more liberal.

[wiking]

Finland have about the same laws. Dunno what they have in France, Italy, Spain, Austria, Holland and Germany, but semi-auto rifles like AR-15 and SIG551/550 are available there as well, I doubt that our gunlaws are that much more liberal.

legal here to if you are a member of a club that has a program that alows for those weapons. I discovered that you can own allmost whatever you want if you study the rules.

Even stuff like Hi-cap mags, bayonett lugs and all the other stuff the US AWB made illegal could be used here. :)

[kinghk]

legal here to if you are a member of a club that has a program that alows for those weapons.



You have to be a member of NFPS as well.




I discovered that you can own allmost whatever you want if you study the rules.



As long as it is on POD's list of approved firearms. Try to file an permit for ie. a HK89 and see how that goes.



Even stuff like Hi-cap mags, bayonett lugs and all the other stuff the US AWB made illegal could be used here. :)

Folding stocks and barrels < 47 cm are no-no. The only positive part is that silencers are legal as long as you have a firearms permit in the same caliber.

[Mark Sman]

Pros and Cons

The only real Cons with the Enfield are related to user errror.

Get the headspace checked by a competent gunsmith. Make sure he knows what he is doing, and has the proper tools. Don't settle for a guy with Go, No-Go and Field gauges. Find someone with the full gauge set that can determine exactly what the headspace is. Headspace is easily adjusted with the replacement of one part.

Headspace affects accuracy, but not as much as some people beleive. It is crucial for safety, and reloading.

As far as safety goes, the Enfield action is brutally strong. And it has a very effective gas discharging system. Case seprarations caused by loose headspace or a double charged cartridge that result in a chamber explosion rarely if ever result in injury to the Enfield shooter. Also, while headspace should be checked, rather too much talk is made about this in the Enfield community. It is actually no more critical than making sure headspace is correct for any firearm. Especially used ones.

The other major user error occurs during "stocking up". This the process by which the wooden parts of the rifle are bedded to allow proper tolerances for the barrel. The Enfield does not have a free floating barrel, and it is critical that the barrel bears downward evenly right and left on the stock. The amount of relief (removed wood) at the forend also has to be done just right. Also, the action, more specifically the recoil lugs, have to bear evenly at the rear of the stock and be in good solid contact.

The next user error is in not having the bolts tightened down. Falure to tighten the "King Screw" can result in a stock split. The inner band and the nosecap have to be tight for accuracy. Everything else should be tight for general safety and reliability.

The only additional "Con" is that prices are edging upwards. I don't beleive the price is ever going to edge downwards again. Oh for the heady days of yesteryear when perfect examples of unbuggered Enfields sold for $30.

Pros

Almost too many to list. Awesome bit of history. Reliable, accurate, safe. Fastest bolt action after the K-31.
Aesthetically pleasing in a classic Industrial Age sort of way.
Ability to "fix bayonet" with a 16 inch long P1917 short sword that just reaks of "F*#k off and die" At least with pre No4 versions. A good community of shooters and collectors willing to lend a hand. Extremely common in Australia, which is where you are right?

Ammunition.

Surplus amunition of any sort is geting harder and harder to find. Most of it is corrosive. The Pakistani stuff is pure, utter, adulterated, crap. Pakistani ammunition is marked POF on the headstamp. You would be better off pulling the trigger and yelling "Bang!"

Greek surplus is Gold. It is marked HXP on the headstamp. It is non-corrosve. Boxer primed (easily reloaded). Very accurate. Nice strong military thickness case that can take multiple reloads.

The rest of the surplus runs in between. South African surplus was good. Some Finish stuff was loaded real hot for use in airplane machine guns.

Commercial ammunition is OK and available.
Opinions differ on the Winchester. I like it.

Sellier and Bellot is accurate and I like it, but some reloaders are reporting that they get fewer loads before splitting the S&B stuff.

Prvi Partizan is cheap and good. I can only get it online, which is a bummer.

Wolf is Prvi Partizan reboxed and marketed as Wolf Gold. Whatever. It is as good as Prvi Partizan and I also have to order it online. X2 bummer.

PMP is South African, and enjoys a good reputation. It is currently costing me more than S&B stuff so I don't use it.

The answers to just about every Enfield related queston are in:
Ian D. Skennerton's publications.
http://www.skennerton.com/

Charles R.Stratton's books.
http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/~stratton/en-page.html

Or on one of these web pages.
http://gunboards.com/forums/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=44
http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/~stratton/En-forums.htmAlso,
Nobody owns one Enfield.
You have been warned.

Flagg, you ever get the K-31s?

[Daga]

Great Post! Now I want a no4. Mk2 badly! Also been looking into enfields in .45... Rhineland arms makes some sort of mod for converting them, but am more interested in the valkyrie arms .45 ACP delisle repros...Don't really want to bubba an Enfield.. Unfortunately Valkyrie arm's "sporter" delisle, sans suppresors, is still not in production...
http://www.rhinelandarms.com/
http://www.valkyriearms.com/sporter.htm

[Para]

I used the LeEnfield in combat, great gun even with out a telescopic sight I could get a good group at 600 yards. Once you have the correct foresight in the rifle then it is as good as gold. My only gripe back in those days was we were up against AK47s with a bolt action rifle that only took 11 rounds maximum.

[wiking]

I used the LeEnfield in combat, great gun even with out a telescopic sight I could get a good group at 600 yards. Once you have the correct foresight in the rifle then it is as good as gold. My only gripe back in those days was we were up against AK47s with a bolt action rifle that only took 11 rounds maximum.

You saw combat?

[California Joe]

He just said he did.

[wiking]

He just said he did.

Stupid question :cantbeli: But i'm looking forward to hearing this.

[Flagg]

Flagg, you ever get the K-31s?
[/SIZE]

Nothing but drama......

NO company wants to help me jump through the hoops on exporting K31s from the US......recent law changes make it extremely difficult...it's not worth the hassle to them unless I'm exporting enough to fill a container.

So I've tried sourcing direct from Switzerland...found some great rifles....but the shipping is more expensive than the rifles!

At the moment I've just bought a sweet Husky 6.5mm M/38 Mauser that is mint.....should have photos uploaded in the not too distant future.

Also probably going to buy a very nice(but not as nice as the M/38) Ljungman ...they look to make a nice pair.

A guy JUST offered me a K31...supposedly cherry...but it is from a Swiss national that brought his over with him when he emigrated, so it sounds promising...plus diopter sights, plus 140 rounds of the issue match-grade GP11, but he wants 700 South Pacific Pesos..about $US485......a bit steep when I can import them for half the price...IF I buy 5 or more.

Once I get the Ljungman I'll have to have a good think about what to do next

[Jippo]

legal here to if you are a member of a club that has a program that alows for those weapons. I discovered that you can own allmost whatever you want if you study the rules.

Even stuff like Hi-cap mags, bayonett lugs and all the other stuff the US AWB made illegal could be used here. :)

Finnish gun law allows civilians to own fully automatic weapons, cannons and, believe it or not, missile systems if you can explain why you need them well enough. :)

Hard to beat that. ;)


-jippo

[wiking]

Finnish gun law allows civilians to own fully automatic weapons, cannons and, believe it or not, missile systems if you can explain why you need them well enough. :)

Hard to beat that. ;)


-jippo

rofl rofl Bloody brilliant. "well, you see, we have this horrible problem with birds eating our crops, so I'd like a AA gun. 40mm or so should do it" :)

[Laworkerbee]

This past weekends MP.net desert shoot my Mk#2 Enfield was a star!

[Durandal]

This past weekends MP.net desert shoot my Mk#2 Enfield was a star!

Damn, you would think that the MP.net Desert Shoot was some sort of Spec Ops circle jerk for lack of photos.

Hehehe...j/k.

















I want to see if your shoots are as a good as ours. p-)

[StukaJr]

Yup - Laworkerbee's Enfield MkII was quite a beaut to shoot - enjoyed it very much! The original wood furniture ages very nicely as well.

^^ No, we didn't have pink AR's at our shoot - sorry, can't beat that!

[TacoDelRio]

There are photos now, son.

I liked the Enfield. I've never shot one, and I liked the sights in particular. The fornt sight post was of much smaller diameter than I expected form all my Ruskie and Japernese rifles. Much easier to hit sh!t with.

[Durandal]

Yup - Laworkerbee's Enfield MkII was quite a beaut to shoot - enjoyed it very much! The original wood furniture ages very nicely as well.

^^ No, we didn't have pink AR's at our shoot - sorry, can't beat that!


rofl rofl rofl

Now now, Geezah is a Brit...they are a bit weird sometimes. :)

[Laworkerbee]

I must see this pink AR you men speak of

Blasphemy I tell ya!

[Para]

If you look at the Infields fore sight you will see a sight guard there and it has two round holes in it. Those holes take a small tool that helps you push the fore sight out of it's bed and quickly replace it with one that suits you. On the WW1 model the back sight was of a leaf design and you could also set wind age on it.

[Laworkerbee]

If you look at the Infields fore sight you will see a sight guard there and it has two round holes in it. Those holes take a small tool that helps you push the fore sight out of it's bed and quickly replace it with one that suits you. On the WW1 model the back sight was of a leaf design and you could also set wind age on it.

We were using my Mk.2 Made in 1914 and the front sight suits me fine. However I might try this on my Mk.4 which I have a tendancy to shoot high with.

Thanks Para

[Limeyfellow]

I must see this pink AR you men speak of

Blasphemy I tell ya!

How could anyone not love

http://www.beaglexp.com/archives/BARBIE1%20(2).jpg

That is just so cute I would be proud taking it to the firing range.

You can buy bright pink furniture for ar15s in many places. They are coming more and more popular.

[Laworkerbee]

How could anyone not love

http://www.beaglexp.com/archives/BARBIE1%20(2).jpg

That is just so cute I would be proud taking it to the firing range.

You can buy bright pink furniture for ar15s in many places. They are coming more and more popular.

rofl That is out****ingstanding!!! rofl

[sgtfcm]

i used to have a collection of Enfields, including an original Jungle carabine.
I had the chance to get a couple of boxes of military rounds and tested the jungle and its really a kicker. Apart from this,they are all excellent rifles.There is only one thing you should be careful with, let's see if with my poor English i can explain clearly : there are 3 sizes of the heads of the action.In many cases the bolt actions have been replaced/mixed,so it might happen that your carabine has an action that doesn't fit correctly = excess of headspace. Check that and in case, replace the head with the correct size.Hope this helped

[sgtfcm]

How could anyone not love

http://www.beaglexp.com/archives/BARBIE1%20(2).jpg

That is just so cute I would be proud taking it to the firing range.

You can buy bright pink furniture for ar15s in many places. They are coming more and more popular.

i guess Hello Kitty furnitures will be hot in Asia...